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https://www.libretro.com/index.php/update-on-the-retro-freak-situation/

>> No.4514954

So what you're saying is that there's an opening in the market for software that automatically connects to the internet and installs emulators onto "retro consoles" once the user buys them, sets them up and presses a button.

Concept copyright me 2018

>> No.4515341

>ship without software
>update
>laugh at autist
simple fix

>> No.4515624

>>4515341
Not only simple, its actually the right thing.

Selling the console is ok, the main rf frontend and system is ok, but the actual emulators, ALL OF THEM EVER CREATED, are work of someone else, and the majority of those are opensource, that means that.

>the source modifications made to the emus must be made public.

>the emulators CANNOT BE SOLD UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE.

As you said, all RF has to do is ship the consoles with the software and have the user install it manually from the page, as well as putting up the source codes for free.

>> No.4515628

*without the software.

Goddamn bus...

>> No.4515920

Too lazy to quickly look up the licences themselves, but is there no loophole to the extent of "you're paying for the console hardware, not the emulator"?
For example some Linux distros are sold with the justification that you aren't paying for the distro - that's free - you're paying for the DVD and shipping.

>> No.4515931

>>4515624
>all RF has to do is ship the consoles with the software and have the user install it manually from the page
They know that people aren't going to do that. They buy these systems precisely because there's work involved. It would turn off a huge chunk of their customer base, trivial as it might sound to do.

>> No.4515935

>>4515931
*precisely because there's NO work involved

>> No.4515998

>>4514954
>So what you're saying is I'm a naive ignorant tripfag who thinks he's the first clown to come up with this idea.
Yup

>> No.4516007

>>4515998
I'll have you know that my copyright claim made under this pseudonymous identity on this c-tier website is very serious business and I have every intention to bring legal action in the future against whatever zipperhead actually codes it based entirely on the archive of this thread.

>> No.4516012

retroarch sucks

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4516016

>>4514945
>one of our grey-ware distributors got caught. We are shocked!

>> No.4516023

It's almost like emulation is illegal and immoral?

>> No.4516027

>>4516012
At least you and yer mum have something in common with it.

>> No.4516037

>>4515920
The difference is that Linux's license specifically allows commercial use. Snes9x's specifically disallows it.

>> No.4516042

>>4516037
>illegal emulation
>commercial use
Anon,

>> No.4516046

>>4516023
Morals are debatable, but emulators are absolutely legal and protected under US law.

>> No.4516051

>>4516046
False, who keeps spreading these lies?

>> No.4516061

>>4516051
You do.
https://scholarship.law.berkeley.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1299&context=btlj
Tested in court and as cut-and-dry as can be. Emulators are legal as long as they're not including copyrighted BIOS code.

>> No.4516063

>>4516061
>You do
???
>Emulators are legal as long as they're not including copyrighted BIOS code.
You didn't even read the link you posted

>> No.4516069

>>4516063
I did read it. The whole thing is about the Ninth Circuit's decision that emulators are legal. You obviously didn't even open the link.

>> No.4516071

>>4516069
>that emulators are legal
You didn't even read the link you posted.

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4516090

>>4516063
you have been dropped on your head one too many times. Send your caretaker my regards.

>> No.4516091

>>4516071
>Sony v. Connectix, for the first time, establishes the applicability of the fair use defense to the production of emulator products through reverse engineering.
>Accordingly, the court was "at a loss" to see just how Connectix's development efforts, which resulted in a noninfringing product, violated any PlayStation copyrights. Even though the PlayStation and the VGS are similar in both function and screen output, the court found that the VGS, as a "wholly new product," was "modestly transformative."
You can keep denying it all you want, but it won't change the fact that emulators are legally fine.

>> No.4516094

>>4516090
>doesn't read link
>brain damage wojak
Hmm

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>>4516094
your position is that emulators are illegal?

trolls are leaking onto /vr/ today?

>> No.4516107

>>4516102
It's not even a very good troll, considering it's easily debunked by 3 seconds on Google.

>> No.4516271

>>4516007
>lol i troll u
You're not fooling anyone kiddo

>> No.4516304

>>4515624
Most open source licenses like the GPL allow commercial use.
Prohibiting commercial use is actually seen as unfree by the FSF.
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html
SNES9x is the only emulator involved that has a no-commercial-use clause.