/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4512436

This has got to be bait.

SOTN was also on Saturn.

Anyway, I dunno. CV64 has definitely some issues but so does SOTN.
In terms of actual game DESIGN, Castlevania on N64 feels closer to the classics than SOTN, despite being on 3D, you're still struggling to survive on a fiendish castle full of platforming traps and enemies that actually pose a challenge.
SOTN feels like a completely different series, and the only traces it has with Castlevania is the beautiful 2D graphics and playing as Richter for 5 minutes at the beginning.

>>4512436
>this thread again
I’ll put my shit opinion in before the janitor gets this thread. I used to say I liked both but SotN was better. Now I honestly and unironically think the N64 entries are better. SotN is a ~8 hour Super Metroid clone with half assed RPG elements that do nothing but prevent you from plowing through the game even quicker. I say 8 hour because only 8 hours of it are good. The inverted castle is a fucking slog. Alucard’s sprite isn’t that good either and people who say it’s one of the best sprites ever made are just spouting shit meme opinions. Fuck Koji Igarashi for making variations of the same shit game for 10 years and turning the series into nothing.

>>4512450
Not b8, I want to know if anyone else on /vr/ prefers N64 Castlevanias to Metroid with Swords.

>>4512436
Well Castlevania 64 is barely a "Castlevania" at all except for having draculas and whipping in it, and though you could say the same about SotN, it definitely had more to do with what the series had been until that point and what it would become later.

>>4512436
Saturn

>>4512515
I'm sure the jerky performance and lavish dithering instead of transparency makes that port extra retro

Fuck sotn, N64 Castlevanias rule. Only brainlets think sotn is better.

>>4512508
>Well Castlevania 64 is barely a "Castlevania" at all except for having draculas and whipping in it
Which is more of what can be said of SOTN, since whipping isn't even there (Richter mode is a nice bonus but that ultimately makes you realize how this game was built around Alucard and not the classicvania style).
It's true that CV64 changed a lot of things (and some weren't even bad, mixing action-adventure with Resident Evil style (except with an actual camera and not tank controls). The camera is often criticized but it's not really that bad considering its contemporary games. You could still adjust the camera behind you pressing R or whatever.
But despite having new elements, it still has classicvania style levels, where you'll be jumping through guillotines and familiar classic CV enemies.
I think both SOTN and CV64 are way too different to the originals, but of the two, 64 is the one that retained the classic design philosophy the most (even if mashing it with other kind of styles). SOTN gives the illusion of being a CV game, but then you realize: there's no way of dying because of falling in some botomless pit. Because of that, design is pretty much built around the enemies and often are empty corridors. The same can be said about 64's Villa level and the other more adventure-like levels, but then there's Tower of Sorcery which is pure hard action-platforming.
Also I thought it was common knowledge that CV 64 is a 3D successor to Rondo of Blood. Choose between a whip-wielding vampire killer or a magical loli that spams animals/magic balls. The theme itself at the title screen is the classic stage 1 rondo bgm in a violin arrangement, so I guess it's kinda obvious.
I'd still say SOTN is the better game, but 64 is definitely closer to the classic CV ethos than it.

>>4512452
USA citizen don't know much about saturn, n64 was huge popular back then in there.

>>4512452
>SOTN was also on Saturn.
Yeah, but it was a botched port of an original PSX game, so we don't pay any attention to it.

>>4512436
>The virgin 3D Castlevania vs. the Chad 2D Castlevania

>>4512436
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>>4512508
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>>4513582
Both are great! stop fighting eachother, Castlevaniabros

>>4513582
>implying Reinhardt isn't far more chad than Faggotcard

>>4512436
Why not include Legacy of Darkness for a fair comparison?

>>4512436

SOTN was far better, I guess I could see someone preferring CV64 but there's a reason it's widely regarded as hot garbage.

>>4513715
Both are not great, one is good one is awful

>>4514870
Only if we include Castlevania Chronicles PS1 for an even fairer comparison.

>>4514910
>japanese computer game from 1993
>fairer comparison

>James didn't think to push the Use button when he was holding nitro/mandragora
Why are yanks so slow?

>>4515496
>James Rolfe and AVGN are the same person

>>4515498
>I was only pretending to be retarded

>>4515498
I really don’t think he was joking about that. The Castlevania video was more of his own experience with the games.

Only on vr.
Only on fucking vr.

>>4514915
I mean the Saturnfags are trying to pretend they win because of a shitty port of SotN so I mean yeah.

>>4512436
As much I'll defend CV64 to my deathbed, SotN is the one I go back to every couple of years.

>>4515694
I find 64/LoD to have higher replay value than SotN. Once you explore every nook and cranny in SotN, there's not much more reason to go back and revisit it.

>>4512456
Was buying into your post until you brought up the Alucard sprite. You’re full of shit

>>4515750
He just said that the sprite isn't that good. Even if you don't agree with him, he didn't say anything too wild about it.
Besides, it's true that it's not the best sprite ever made, fighting games from the late 90s have more impressive ones, for example.

>>4515790
Fighting game sprites are meant to take up a huge chunk of the screen as opposed to Metroidvania sprites, what kind of comparison is this?

On topic: the PS2 had the best Castlevania games by far.

>>4512436
Sony. Even disregarding SotN, Chronicles was pretty fun even if it's one of the weaker Classicvanias.

>>4516212
>Fighting game sprites are meant to take up a huge chunk of the screen as opposed to Metroidvania sprites, what kind of comparison is this?
Size matters.
>the PS2 had the best Castlevania games
Stop baiting.

>>4516212
>On topic
>ps2
more like, off-board

>>4516215
Chronicles doesn't count, as it was an X68000 game first and is thus a 4th gen CV.

>>4516230
Stop being retarded.

>>4516250
dude it's a literal port of the x68k game with nothing new or different.
nobody plays the arranged version anyway

>>4516250
After you stop comparing games from different generations.

>>4516219
>Stop baiting
Well God of War aped Lament almost wholesale and influenced two entire generations of 3d beat em ups. That's a pretty good sign your shit was the tightest.