/vr/ - Retro Games

The elitists over playing PS2 to PS4 era games will pale in comparison to how powerful the current generation of elitists will grow by then.

>>4510374
I can picture the power struggle between a handful of small fortified city states, each containing a sealed copy of Earthbound with guidebook

>>4510373
GBA and PS2 will still not be retro. Babies will still cry about it. They will be the same babies who cry about it today, just 40something babies as opposed to 20something babies.

>The bubble is going to burst, any minute now...

>>4510373
The Wii U will become the worst of the Sega Saturn collecting scene in 20 years. Maybe sooner.

>>4510469
Yeah I was thinking about getting a Wii U now, it's gonna be hella pricey 10 years from now.
I hope Yakuza 1+2 HD isn't too expensive already.

>>4510373
a lot of people fit becuz of WII

>>4510448
Yes grandpa, your childhood was best childhood

>>4510503
I'm born 97 and I don't have any memories of pre-2002 or so, but looking back, the 80s and 90s seem to have been a fantastic time to be a child specifically. The only advantage my generation had was internet (if your parents allowed you to use it), but when you compare stuff like media, music, cartoons, toys, and video games, the 90s and 80s were wilder, more colorful and vivid decades. 00s were very cold and gritty times and the 2010s aren't that much different.
Of course maybe I'm wrong, I wasn't alive back then, but that's my impression from comparing the stuff, separately from my own nostalgia for early 00s (even though a lot of it also included 90s stuff that was still on TV or older games I played)

>>4510503
Nah. The 60's weren't a great time to be a child The 80's were the best. But thanks for your opinion future crying 30something.

>>4510508
are you even thinking about those hardcore game that you never finish. 00s & 10s are more friendly, more colorful than ever. The past is cool though, but don't glorify it

>>4510618
>00s & 10s are more friendly, more colorful than ever.
I think they weren't. During these decades is when, well first of all 9/11 happened, the atmosphere in general wasn't friendly.
Cartoons for kids stopped being as colorful as before and also started being more gritty and "serious" (not to confuse with 90s' over the top stuff, that isn't actually gritty).
00s and 10s were also the times most graphical design works in general stopped being hand drawn, digital coloring became mainstream and we lost cel-based animation completely.

>>4510375
FYI: EB was never sealed.

>>4510616
Whatever makes you hard.

>>4510373
More fucked than it is now with digital-only games having a real chance of disappearing forever. Remember Wiiware? If it wasn’t for pirates these games will be lost around this time next year. Xbox 360 might have it even worse because I heard they’re notoriously fragile and I doubt there will be any in 20 years.

>>4510373
Retro games will continue to deprecciate in value and will only be collected for sentimental purposes

>>4510672
The difference is that Microsoft is keeping a ton of it online due to Xbone's backwards compatibility. They've actually invested in preservation and keeping your library playable, and it looks like that's going to the the case going forward (probably coming to Windows eventually). It's cherry picked, but it's better than a total loss / server shutdown.

>>4510508

You have a good grasp on the situation, especially for someone not born then. Growing up in the 80s and 90s was a magnificent time. You basically got to experience childhood and actually do things like play outside, ride a bike around town without parental supervision or the fear that a post 9/11 society instills in parents. They basically wanted you to go out and play with friends just to be out of their hair. Helicopter parenting and "participation trophies" were also a few years past what this generation had to deal with.

Gaming was magical too. It was more expensive relative to income to own games, so you played much more of the games you had, found ways to borrow and loan to friends, etc. The arcades were the place to play different stuff. You could beg $1 from your parents relatively easy and that gave you quite a bit of gameplay. Kids could actually have small jobs like mowing and such, so if you weren't lazy it was possible to make money for games and such, but you had to save up.

Even though your childhood was grounded in non tech things, you were also in the era where the birth of the internet, cell phones, and such happened. I personally think if you were into such tech when it came out/started becoming common, you were more likely to deeply understand how to use it. I see younger people who can use social media like masters, yet might not be able to figure out how to open/use a .zip file. IDK if I'm correctly saying what I'm trying to get at, but I think the people who grew up after the tech was common might not have as deep of understanding of how the tech works and things such as programming for it. Of course, there are talented individuals who specialize and enjoy such things, but I mean as an overall standpoint.

I think growing up then, you had the best of both worlds, tech and non tech based.

Also, movie/video game rentals were pretty great. I could rent a game about twice a month and loved those 3 days.

>>4510508
>The only advantage my generation had was internet (if your parents allowed you to use it)
Believe me life was 100 times better before internet. Internet ruined everything.

>>4510724
I feel the internet was pretty amazing in the early 90s up to the mid to late 2000s.
Without the internet, we were missing on so many stuff from other regions.
The problem is when the internet merged with the real world, now the world can't live without the internet, and on top of that, everything is more regulared.
The old ethos of never revealing any personal information in public was completely reversed when Facebook happened and people started considering it was creepy that you don't have a public account with your full name and your face on it.
Everything changed very fast, I still think the internet is very useful, but the way everything is progressing feels a bit distopic.

>>4510724
>Internet ruined everything.
I agree, but the early days of the internet were fucking cash, if you were the right age. I was just becoming a teenager in the late '90s when the internet started to become standard in households (We had our first home computer in 1994 and our first 56k connection in 1998 or 1999.) and it was mind-blowing. By that time, I had experienced a pretty standard rural childhood, so most other kids in the same age group, like me, really understood just how amazing of a tool the internet was. Parenting was far more relaxed back in the day, so I was pretty much free to explore using the computer and internet without any supervision, and I think that's one of the best ways to learn technology is just to jump in and figure it out. I think my generation is the only one that has both the natural interest in technology and the perspective to fully appreciate it the most.

>>4510694
>I see younger people who can use social media like masters, yet might not be able to figure out how to open/use a .zip file
So true. Kids nowadays are introduced to technology through a social media filter. Everything is a clean, spiffy world of apps and controlled feeds that do everything for you. They really don't know what it was like to actually search for content on the web, and the desktop computer is not the ubiquitous tool it once was. Call me old fashioned, but my favorite way to organize my MP3s is a good, ol' fashioned file/folder system. I still use Winamp, too, even if it no longer whips the llama's ass quite as hard as it used to.

>>4510508
if you were rich, most people only got about 2 games for christmas each year

>>4510747
As another anon said, it wasn't that impossible to play many games back then. You could save up money and get a few games on your own per year, plus birthday, xmas, rich uncles, AND don't forget the most important thing: friends. Although that's also how I lost some games, but it was common to lend and borrow games, I even lend my SNES to a friend while I went on vacation with my family. He and his 2 older brothers were diehard Mega Drive fans and after that month they had the SNES, they decided to sell the MD and bought a SNES of their own.

>>4510694
This except I got to play many games thanks to renting them personally up till even the PS2 days (in fact I had like 1-2 games for that and I only rented). Haven't gotten any later consoles, I hate what they became.

>>4510448
I'm one of the "reeee no 6th gen" people on this board because I don't want Halo and MGS2 threads to crowd out other games, but honestly I think 6th gen (at least the first half of it) does belong to the "early" period of gaming history, the same period as the other hardware discussed on this board. Starting around the introduction of 7th gen and certainly with everything released after that, we start to enter a different period of history because of the dominance of online play, the rise of the F2P model, digital distribution, increasing reliance on DLC and patches to update and fix games, the rise of stream culture, everything associated with the internet basically.

So while everything will eventually become retro in the sense that anything 20+ years old is retro in some sense, future historians who look at things objectively will understand the break in history I'm talking about here. Hardware and games released in one era can never become part of a different one.

>>4510753

Borrowing games was one of the reason for sharpies that so trigger autists today. Back then I lost a few games and then just never loaned them, but sharpies would be a good alternative.
The sad part was, it was when I loaned it to my cousin and her kids (11 yrs older with her own family) that lost me a copy of Mario 3. At that point, my parents basically said no more loaning games out.

>>4510753
>AND don't forget the most important thing: friends
This is so true. When I was younger, video games were a very social thing. I was always borrowing and lending games, occasionally for extended periods of time. And I'd say 75% of all my gaming was done with a friend, either multiplayer, or just taking turns. I'd spend whole weekends sleeping over my best friends' houses and we'd usually obsess over one single game while I was there, and it would be amazing. Or on school days, I'd just pop over to my neighbor's and play some of his shit (he was a spoiled motherfucker, he got EVERYTHING, but we were friends for years so I didn't feel like I was taking advantage of him or anything). I think in all the years of borrowing and lending, I only ever lost one game, and it was a shitty tiger electronics Batman watch. Almost lost my copy of Bigfoot for the NES (I remember my mom having to drive me to the kid's house to force him to give it back) which is hilarious considering how shit the game actually is, but it was the principle I suppose.

>>4510724
Internet in the late 90's was what let me play all those games I would never have. Of course emulation has since spoiled me rotten with instant gratification, so maybe internet was terrible after all.

There will be a split between the current retro gaming and the post-HDMI, post-digital, post-achievement retro gaming. Probably something like retro-analog and retro-digital. The behavior and experiences of the two groups, who grew up during vastly different times and with vastly different levels of technology, are just too different to ever form any kind of cohesive circle, and the games both groups enjoyed are different as well. They all may fall under the term retro eventually but they'll definitely won't mingle with each other.

>>4510729
>Without the internet, we were missing on so many stuff from other regions
At first it felt amazing but after time it just became meaningless. I grew up in New Jersey, I remember getting a letter in school from my penpal in San Francisco it was like the most amazing thing it was like another world. Or when I received a letter from a friend in Ohio that I met at summer camp. One page of words was all we had between us but I cherished the words for years, I kept the letter on my bed stand throughout my whole childhood. Life was so much meaningful in every way. There was a time in high school I became fascinated by English history, I would go to the library and look at the encyclopedia and there was a drawing of English King Edward I, and I remember thinking it was the most incredible thing like "wow this is what a real king actually looked like," I would go every few days just to look at it in amazement.

As for games I remember importing scenario 2 and 3 of SFIII and I cherished every minute of those games, it was a prized possession. Yes, now we have more knowledge, more people we can communicate with, access to every place on earth, every game ever made and none of it is nearly as meaningful. There are pros and cons, but everything became so much less precious.

>>4510761
I 110% agree with you on the real break point between retro and modern gaming being somewhere in the 6th gen.

Problem being that there's no easy-peasy-line-in-the-sand date which can be applied to the true cut-off so the rules here are unlikely to ever change.

Time for /v2k/ although that would sadly include a hell of a lot of dross from the second half of the decade and draw in the /v/ crowd.

>>4510767
>Borrowing games was one of the reason for sharpies that so trigger autists today
I had a ton of custom name stickers, so I usually slapped them on all of my games. Not that I didn't trust my friends, because if they really wanted they could just peel the stickers off. I just liked to keep track of my shit.

One of my lesser friends once stopped by and asked if he could borrow Ocarina of Time, and I said no, because I still played it like every day. He must have not believed me because the fucker stole it. When I went to play later and couldn't find it, I rode my bike all the way to his house and caught him red-handed. Bastard said he didn't think i'd notice, and that he was going to give it back. Little shit.

In all my years, I only ever lost one game, though, and it was just a stupid Batman tiger electronics watch game. Almost lost my copy of Bigfoot on NES to one little fucker (my mom drove me to his house and made his mom force him to give it back), which is kind of hilarious considering the game is shit. It's the principle of the matter, I guess. Later, I actually stole back some games that one of my friends was trying to keep from another, made me feel good.

And of course there were those friends who just weren't allowed to lend their games, which sucked (I wanted to borrow River City Ransom from one friend, SO bad), but honestly if I was a parent and had dished out that kind of cash on a stupid plastic cartridge back in the day, I'd probably keep my kid from loaning them to his little shit friends, too. That same friend, years later, had his NES taken away completely and didn't even bat an eyelash over it. I went over one day and was like "Yo, let's play some River City" and he was all "Oh, we can't, my sister and I were fighting over the Nintendo, so my mom sold it". I was horrified, glad my parents never did that kind of shit to me.

>>4510639
Is this the dankest new meemay?

>"Ooh that's a real rare one you got there. That'll be 80 dollars plus tax"

>>4510729
>I feel the internet was pretty amazing in the early 90s up to the mid to late 2000s.
Yeah. It was pretty fucking exciting whenever you found an awesome website with cool gaming shit on it back in the day, because search engines sucked balls. It was always amazing to find that one site filled with rare gaming info, photos or rumors, or to find a really great message board about your favorite game. Good times.

>>4510741
I miss SHOUTCast dearly... winamp was the best media player of its day.

>>4510774
>emulation has since spoiled me rotten
Yeah, I remember being against emulation back in the late '90s when it started to pop up. I mean, back then, all of my consoles were still connected and functional, and used games were cheap. I only ever emulated a few games in my life just because it was hard to find copies (back before ebay was a household name). I recall the first game I ever played on an emulator was Earthbound in 2002 (I remember because shortly after starting, I ended up going out with some friends to see Star Trek: Nemesis, lol), but it crashed at one point and corrupted all of my quicksaves, so I quit. A couple of years later I ended up playing all of Kirby's Dreamland 3 on an emulator (with a keyboard) during some shitty programming class I was taking.

>>4510741
>our first 56k connection in 1998 or 1999
I remember my hometown was kind of podunk, so high speed internet didn't happen until like 2007-ish, but town buildings like the library and school got cable internet in like 2003. My friend bought a hella-expensive portable hard drive and would bring it to school each day to download fucktons of music from Napster at high speed and then bring it home. Those were the days.

>>4510450
It's not going to "burst", I mean, it's not going to happen all of a sudden. But the prices have hit their peak, they will slowly come down.

>>4510962
Some poor sap probably said the exact same thing with that same chart back in 2014.

>>4510969
Lol exactly. What a retarded statement to make accompanied by that graph.

>>4510753
Also, rentals.

>>4510448
They will be retro, but not in the same way. A ps2, gba, gc, xbox andearly 2000s pc board would have enough material by itself.

People here dont often talk about text adventures, point and click(sometimes and other stuff from years gone by. Im happy we have that c64 thread going right now, but the ps2 alone would kill this board. There needs to be a /v2k/.


But your child like troll whining about "babies" is a testament to the nature of shit bags on this board.

>>4510628
Bull shit. Cartoons didnt change because 911. I was still watching dbz, pokemon, invader zim, rockos modern life, dexters lab, angry beavers, ed edd n eddy, code name kids next door, kablamm, etc...

Your damn retarded little fuck nugget, you need to lurk more. Thered was great cartoons coming out in thr early 2000s. The wsy tou try to distort it is dumb. I remember old tmnt, g.i. joe, transformers cartoons. You wanna know something? They are shit compared to late ninties early 2000s cartoons. All 80s animation was a joke, besides animated movies.

Why lie so vividly you moronic shit for brains, dick fungus.

>>4510448
They already are retro gramps. Get with the times.

>>4510993
You seem upset.
>Thered was great cartoons coming out in thr early 2000s
So you have nostalgia for early 00s, ok.

>>4510741
Kek, yeah try telling them to make a batch
File or use a program from with no gui only command line. Their tech knowledge stops at the tips of their fingers, cause most of them never had to use a dos shell.

But on the flip side, alot of kids are learning programming languages, so thats cool.

>>4511000
No, but those cartoons were objectively better than tmnt, g. I. Joe and transformers. Have you tried to watch that shit recently? The animation is atrocious, barely moving, cut frames, missing color and pieces of animation. And the stories were horrible, with the worst fuckin corny acting ever.

Fucking fat albert is a million times better and that came out in the 60s. In fact the 80s just have the shittiest animation of all time, for kids television. Look back to looney tunes, and forward to animaniacs. Wtf happened to cartoons in the 80s? It was like mass marketing for toys, thats it.

Sage for posting eceleb faggot.

>>4511030
They mentioned 80s and 90s, not just 80s.
anyway I think animation in the late 90s and then the whole 2000s and current day looks lifeless, like flash animation.

>>4511030
you sound like you're in your early 20s and watch a lot of Youtube clickbait videos like "WHY 80's ANIMATION SUCKS!?"
There were many, MANY more shows other than the 3 you mentioned.

>>4510373
Dead. You can't play the games once the servers are offline

>>4511030
>Wtf happened to cartoons in the 80s? It was like mass marketing for toys, thats it.
That's pretty much it. Despite working well at the time in theatrical shorts and features, animation was considered too expensive for TV, which is why pretty much every animated television series from the 50s though the 80s is about as cheaply animated as possible. It wasn't until Disney took a chance with Gummi Bears that it was proved there was a market for expensive animation on kid's TV. The Disney Afternoon, Batman, Tiny Toons and Animaniacs all helped kick off what is known as the '90s animation renaissance.

>>4511058
>There were many, MANY more shows other than the 3 you mentioned.
Yeah, but the example you've posted (DuckTales) is the exception rather than the rule. Most '80s animation WAS just cheap shit to help sell toys, and you're in denial if you think otherwise. I grew up in the '80s and loved the hell out of a ton of shows, but looking back objectively, 99% of them are utter garbage, especially if it had a toy line attached to it. And even DuckTales isn't that good. A handful of great episodes early on, and then by the later seasons, it was just as bad as everything else. Other shows like Ninja Turtles suffer from a similar effect, where the 5 part mini-series/pilot was actually really great, but everything that followed was candy-coated rubbish to sell toys. Lots of effort to get their foot in the door, then they just put it on cruise control until the toy/cartoon symbiosis could no longer support itself.

>>4510993
>Bull shit. Cartoons didnt change because 911
If anything, they changed in the opposite way and become MORE kid friendly/fun-oriented. The populace's preferences in general have drifted towards more "lighthearted" content since 2001, probably due to the demand for escapism.

I was born in the '80s and a majority of my childhood was in the '90s, and there was definitely a constant drive for things to be edgy as fuck in the '90s. Comic book events like the death of Superman, summer blockbusters about Armageddon every month. Culture was lighter and things were happier in general, possibly because ignorance is the better part of bliss. It was a guilty pleasure to indulge in edgy, gritty media. It's not hard to find a show or movie from the '90s that would NEVER fly in a post 9/11 world. That kind of dark, depraved imagery was just fantasy. Fast forward to today and people are more aware of just how shitty, miserable and doomed we all are. People are more informed and more connected, and real life negativity fills almost every iota of our existence, so now the demand is for lighthearted, "fun" escapism, that's all that people want. Nobody wants to see a movie and think about realistic issues, that's too much like browsing facebook for most. Instead, they'd rather watch a Marvel movie, have a chuckle, then tweet about it.

It's widely chronicled in the decline of action/adventure oriented cartoons post 9/11. Most kids shows are entirely humor-oriented, and you're hard pressed to find any cartoon with a legit good guy/bad guy dynamic.

>>4510993
>All 80s animation was a joke

So underage you say this but then say you like dragonball/z in the same post. It was started in 1989. Technicality boner activated!

Predictions:

A lot of games start to disappear from living memory. As current (30+ average!) gamers start to die off or not play anymore the more obscure stuff will start to be forgotten or exist only in unused TOSEC/MAME etc sets. Who is going to care about this crap?

A new globalized canon will form that erases the European home computer scene from history as those who partook in it die. "Everyone just had a NES. There were also some junky computers no one cared about".

Lots of old Japanese stuff is lost forever due to bitrot and the hoarding of a dying older population. Antique cocktail cabinets dumped in the rain by uncaring relatives.

>>4511176
>Lots of old Japanese stuff is lost forever due to bitrot and the hoarding of a dying older population
That stuff is already on archive.org

>>4510373
In 2038 nobody will bother with vidyagaems because we'll either have reduced ourselves to a primitive hunter/gatherer state or merged with a machine super-consciousness.

>>4510724
The worst thing the Internet did was ratchet up my hatred for everything arbitrarily.

I’d be happier if I didn’t have to justify why I like what I like all the time and hating stuff I wouldn’t otherwise for cool points.

>>4511184
Hoping for total annihilation, myself.

>>4511176
>"Everyone just had a NES. There were also some junky computers no one cared about".

Sorry to break it to you, but that's kind of already the state of things anywhere but /vr/.

>>4510448
>not knowing how progression of time works
>not being aware that one day PS2 will be 25 years old
>which will definitely make it retro
>not knowing that people age and the kiddos who grew up with PS2 are in their mid 20s now
>continuing to ban 6th gen will cause this board to die off and be replaced with a new normie board

wew laddie

>>4510450
It will when the gen x and old millennials here get old and start dying off and their horded junk gets pawned by their kids or grand kids or gets sold for bottom of the barrel prices at estate sales.

>>4511212
During the 6th generation, games changed in a fundamental way. Games from the second half of the 6th generation have more in common with modern blockbuster games than they do with 5th generation games and earlier. The very beginning of the 6th generation still had some arcade influences, which makes it resemble retro generations somewhat, but there is no better way to define a cutoff between "modern games" and the various eras that came before than the Y2K rule we use here.

>>4510373
Just as shitty as it is now, only worse.

>>4511217
>not realizing that one day “modern games” won’t be modern anymore and there for retro
>thinking arcade games weren’t on 6th gens

That would be like saying muscle cars can’t be classic cars because they are too different from model Ts.

>>4511212
As other people have explained, "retro" can either just mean "old" or it can mean "video games from before they were influenced by the rise of the internet". People who want to exclude 6th gen from this board are using the second definition of "retro". Both definitions are potentially valid, you just have to clarify what you mean.

>>4511227
Games will change again, sure, but then we'll simply enter a different historical period. The current historical petiod will end, but that doesn't mean that today's games will suddenly join the previous period.

>>4510469
>>4510476
what really? people are gonna want this junk console with easy pirating and emulation?

>>4511237
People pay tens of thousands of dollars for Stadium Events when you can emulate it.

>>4511237
Hopefully this idea will be quickly abandoned when Nintendo ports all the worthwhile games from Wii U to Switch.
Yakuza and Fatal Frame would have been a nice addition.

>>4511227
The US department of transportation classic car rule: any car 25 years old or older.

The 93 Honda NSX, Nissan GTR, Toyota MR2 are all classic cars now.

Can’t wait for all the triggered literally shaking boomers at classic car meets. Holy shit gotta go to one now. Win.

>DLC
>Bland AAA normie games
There won't be one. Tangible embodiments of videogames are in their last days - good luck with "collecting" encrypted files on a dead remote server. Can't beat that nostalgia factor for "Call of Duty 1000: Modern Boredom" either.

>>4511252
This. Even when you buy on Disc copies of games, they are incomplete broken messes without their dlc. You have an unfinished game.

>>4511169
From my experience it all started changing with the end of the cold war, people were relieved that it was finally over and a wide range of people enjoyed the political correctness that concurred from it. Shows like full house and family matters started to explode, disney movies and simplistic neon colors should state that we are moving into a better world full of optimism.
Around the same time Gen x people started to develop and the hippidy-hop rap music from the 80's (accompanied by fresh prince as a frontman of integration of the new culture) was killed off to make room for the highly influentuel gangster rap of the time as well as a darker tone of metal rising. They dominated the market for a while and changed worldwide the interpretation of what is cool and not.

It all started getting more lighthearted when grunge died off due to a headshot, and rap started making more money and its corners got softened by the people producing losing the connections 'to the ghetto' and getting more political correct for their businesses. 'Mmmmbop' was in the air and friends was the hit show. Pastell. Suddenly everything was so shiny and clean. Boy- and girlbands started showing up, cgi was starting to be more and more a thing to make everything even shinier.
It was all shiny but false, like the girls at that time wearing all that shitty makeup, everyone had to be a britney or a tiffany,etc... even the dudes were overstylized with their clothes like in renaissance times (eg limp bizkit).

This imploded around 2003 i feel like, I can't remember how far 911 had influence on that but I feel like it had less to do with it than one would think, at least on a global scale.

btw next era was introduction of iphones, this started to flood the internet with every joe and mary and activated the streamlined web we know today...it was alot more fun before that.
>TL;DR
>1990-92 lighthearted
>1992-95 gritty
>1995-97 less gritty, more shiny
>1997- 00s pic related, abusrd shinism

>>4511262
I also feel like everything started changing around 2003, but I can't figure out why.

>>4511246
>cars from 1993
>classic
No.

>>4511286
Is that you, Ben?

Sucked when they were new and they haven't improved with age.

>>4510616
>The 60's weren't a great time to be a child
How so? It's not as if 5 year olds were being drafted into Vietnam.

>>4511176
This is a load of barnacles.jpg

>>4510672
>Xbox 360 might have it even worse because I heard they’re notoriously fragile and I doubt there will be any in 20 years

No worse than many 80s arcade games. A lot of those were total shit as far as reliability.

>>4511241
>>4511245

I no longer understand collector mentality, doesn't make sense to buy cardboard and plastic just because there is implied significance to it

>>4511030
>In fact the 80s just have the shittiest animation of all time, for kids television
The 70s were the absolute rock bottom of animation. The 80s were when the first signs of revival began to appear.

>>4511280
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>>4511294
No, american cars from 1993 will never be classic.

Plenty from other regions of the world, however, already are.

>>4511280
>>4511286
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>>4511294
>cherry picking 90s shitboxes
This is a 93 model too, you know...

>>4511318
>Subaru Legacy
>American car
...

I feel like collecting for Vita will be a thing.

Yuck.

Read some old Consumer Reports reviews of these bad boys (emphasis on "bad").

Errrghhh...

>>4511310
Big difference is most of those arcade games use off the shelf discrete TTL logic "glue" chips, generic EPROM for code, Z80 etc CPU...very easy to replace, vs a few huge impossibly complex ASICs in an Xbox etc. Custom arcade chips are so simple that people have reverse engineered replacements for many, which ain't happening with the monster chips around now.

>>4511325
Yeah?

>>4511323
Sorry, it looked so bland from the thumbnail that I mistook it for one.

Nevertheless not, and will never be, a classic in any way shape or form.

>>4511331
They had custom ASICs back then. What do you think is under the hood of a Commodore 64?

>>4510741
i still use winamp

Just so you don't get the idea it's just American cars.

>>4511337
So what? I already said the arcade community has been pretty successful in tackling a number of those fairly simple chips. They do not have the 100 million + transistor dies used today, so it's fairly trivial to make workalikes.

>>4511337
Yes and it's already been discussed before that it is impossible to recreate a 1v1 workalike of the VIC-II or SID since they relied on quirks in obsolescent 1970s NMOS fabrication.

>>4511321
And how many people under Steven Spielberg's income bracket even owned those things?

>>4511348
Some guy was working on decapping and documenting the SID's internals a few years ago but he died of cancer at the age of 29

Un...fucking...believable.

>>4511343
It does tend to be cars that were popular in north america though.

Pic obviously not related.

*plays Taps*

>>4511352
There were some interesting vehicles for the average slob back then that experimented in ways you don't see anymore. The Toyota Previa van was a true mid-engined design (the motor was literally in the middle and used an accessory shaft to drive stuff like the alternator and AC/steering pumps under the hood) that was available with a supercharger.

Pretty fucking dangerous in offset impact collisions however.

>>4511360
Tons of Japanese vans are mid engined though.

It's pretty much par for the course.

>>4511360
Toyota took a long time to figure out how to design minivans suited to American tastes, that wasn't until the Sienna. In the 80s, they were peddling Japanese utility vans with the engine between the seats.

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>>4511370
Pretty rare and exotic in America tho. I would love to see the face on a modern mechanic in some average garage after seeing this.

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I did not know that /vr/ stands for /vr/oooooom

>>4511381
He'd likely call it nip devilry and go back to huffing carb cleaner

>>4511384
It's called analogy, pinhead

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>>4511280
You know, I wondered this when I was growing up. I was 7 in 1993, and I remember thinking that there's no way modern cars were ever going to be considered "classics" in the way that any random '70s or '60s car could be. There are some exceptions, but for the most part the '90s was a shit decade for automotive aesthetics.

In fact, I maintain that the '90s was pretty shit for just about everything except for buying houses (the '80s were better, still), kid's animation and video games.

>>4511393
Call it the "end of history" effect - starting in the 90s, music, fashion, cars, all started to stagnate and slow progression or distinctness. No more classic cars, no really standout decades like 60's-80's, no crazy fashions, the ascendancy and commercialization of rap music, no more looking to a space age future.

90s were a dying gasp, where the Internet actually felt like a brave new cyberpunk frontier.

ITT: A lot of copypaste from assorted subreddits

>>4511286
My Dad drove three consecutive 90s Tempos in my childhood and even seeing one fills me with an immense feeling of nostalgia. I want one, bad.

>>4511384
/o/ should've been our april's fools day pairing.

>>4510373
People will still be playing the mario and sonics and dinkey kongs
Its like classic rock

>>4511456
>My Dad drove three consecutive 90s Tempos in my childhood

There's probably a reason for that...

>>4511612
He leased?

>>4510761
That kind of baggage is really the only thing that makes extending the cutoff date a bad idea. For example, it's retarded that we can't have 6th gen in the mod/repair thread. But it's a small price to pay to avoid other cancer.

>>4510981
>angry baby detected

>>4511212
Exactly the type of crying baby I was talking about

What if one day Hiro comes and decrees that 6th gen games may be discussed on /vr/?

>>4511637
Then I'm leaving this site forever and posting instead on /r/retrovidya where I'll be safe from underage 6th gen fags.

>>4511270
You attained puberty.

>>4511393
When does anyone consider 70s cars classic? That decade was the absolute nadir of the American automobile.

>>4511181

alarm me when someone uploads the NTSC-J PSX Redump set

>>4511169
>I was born in the '80s and a majority of my childhood was in the '90s, and there was definitely a constant drive for things to be edgy as fuck in the '90s

That was most likely because youth/pop culture was dominated by Gen Xers and Gen Xer culture is based around being ridiculously edgy and shocking for the sake of it.

>>4511667
No way, Vanishing Point man, Vanishing point...

>>4511245
>>4510476
The Japan only Yakuza ports on Wii U are trash, just to let you know.

>>4510373
I’m happy that james’s hair grows back in the future

>>4511262
>when grunge died off due to a headshot

Damn, I've never heard it put this way, but this is very true.

>>4511342

How many years has that poor llamas ass been enduring the whipping?

>people here not realising their loss of magical view of life is from maturing emotionally
>implying people before you didn't go through the same shit
>implying people after you ain't going through the same shit

Toughen up, snowflakes, 18 here and I and everyone I know have been going through the same process the past couple of years. It happens. It sucks, but that's life. Quit whining.

>>4511839

>18
Yep, you got it all figured out.

The sad part is, this is correct and most people never figure this out. Just listen to your parents or grandparents talk... it's the same as any "non-normie" rant on 4chan.

>>4511839
>will be whining just as much in 10 years

>>4511839
There are some actual changes that actually happened and aren't just a personal subjective perception, though.
But just the same as how you wouldn't really understand because you just weren't alive in the 80s or the early 90s, people in the future won't understand your nostalgia in 2030 or whatever.
You're 18, you still didn't see the world change that much. Wait another 10 years, then you'll be surprised.

>>4511149
>but looking back objectively, 99% of them are utter garbage
Guess what, the same rule applies to every other decade, and not just animation, everything.
Look up strugeon's law.
The other guy was still making a point about pre-2001 cartoons being less gritty, and also the whole digital animation jump, which made animation cheaper, but also less organic.

>>4510839
There was like one or two "rich" kids in my town that even had a computer in 1997. We didn't really start getting dial up internet until about 2000ish. I remember the teacher in high school some time in 2000 asking the class to go to the internet and print out info on some historical figure and half the class telling him that wasn't going to be possible. He was shocked.

I don't even remember when we started getting high speed internet, maybe 2007 like you said.

>>4511296
It's not as if 5 year olds were dropping acid and doing free love with crusties at woodstock either

>>4511637
Then the place will go to shit and nothing of value will be lost

>>4511839
Who are you quoting?
Seriously, your entire rant looks to be against imaginary people who you think are doing something.

>>4510373
I think the PS3 & the Xbox 360 will be compared the most since they're closer to each other in success. I'm not even counting the Wii because that catered to a different market(casuals).

>>4511980
>I'm not even counting the Wii because that catered to a different market(casuals).
I don't know if I can say PS360 weren't casual though. I don't think Call of Duty kids are hardcore. Wii had its share of hardcore titles anyway, not the most popular ones though that's for sure.

>>4510508

I can not imagine growing up in post 90s generation, I was wild as fuck, always outside with a bunch of kinds, riding sleds and building shit out of snow and other activities, were using our imaginations to the fullest

>>4511995
I enjoyed the brief lightgun revival the Wii experienced.

>>4510373
I don't think this is retrogaming myself, personally, but I feel like I'm just as guilty for arbitrarily classifying it as a "new" game. I remember playing through Parasite Eve in 2008, which made it 10 years old at the time. Felt 'retro' to me at the time, but this game is 12 years old now and I'd never consider it retro. Just funny to think about.

>>4512004
Hissss. Not a lightgun. It was a cursor. You could never actually aim with it.

>>4511839

by the time I was 18 I had a job and was smoking and drinking, nothing much changed

>>4510373
>What will the retro gaming scene be like in 20 years?

>>4512008
They sure did a good job creating the illusion then.
Ghost Squad was fun.

>>4511995
I don't even think of Call Of Duty when I think of the PS3 & Xbox 360, since I don't play FPS games. I think of games like God Of War, The Last Of Us, Splinter Cell, Splatterhouse, Metal Gear Solid 4, Resident Evil, Mortal Kombat, Sonic All Stars Racing, House Of The Dead Overkill & a lot of digital only titles such as Turtles In Time Reshelled & Mark Of The Ninja. Although there were some Wii titles I liked, but they were mostly exclusives.

>>4512004
PS3 also used light gun games too via PS Move.

>>4510694
The 90's were the absolute best for a childhood, because everybody was so carefree and happiness was in the mood. Communism fell and Muslims weren't yet the boogeymen they came to be after 9/11. It was a period of peace and prosperity under which there was no "big enemy" mentality. Today we moved on from the USSR to Muslims, and in a few decades we'll go back to the communists, but Chinese edition this time.

Peace is a nice thing. People shit on Bill Clinton but his years were the best since WW2 ended.

Every game gear, turbo duo, laseractive pac, etc that didn't have its capacitors replaced will be completely destroyed. Maybe original Xbox's, too. Will game gears finally be worth something when 90% of the consoles have melted?

>>4512086
I've had my retro consoles for over 20 or 30+ years(from NES to Dreamcast) and they all work just fine.

>>4511839
I don't feel it.

There's no pop culture to be nostalgic for. Name one musician who really became huge after 2010. Name an iconic TV show.

>>4512129
I listed specific consoles for a reason.

>>4512012
A more interesting use of such VR would be to recreate an authentic 1980s arcade environment. Period movies, TV, loads of still photos, provide good setting info and you could have interesting NPCs like drug pushers, bikers, , skinhead and punks, Bender from "The Breakfast Club", and so on floating around to roll you for your quarters or level up if you beat their high score kind thing.

>>4510993
Old TMNT, G.I.Joe and Transformers were perfectly fine shows. Also DBZ was shit. The rest gets a pass even though I wasn't particularly a fan of Kids Next Door.

>>4512131
>Name one musician who really became huge after 2010
Grimes

>>4512195
Hell, I'd buy a VR set just for that.

>>4512201
DBZ is a late 80s/early 90s show, and it has its very high moments (and very low moments too)

>>4512212
He said musician, not goblins

>>4512131
Lorde debuted in '13?

>>4512069
>because everybody was so carefree and happiness was in the mood.
Wait, why was 90s music all about being a depressed faggot who worshiped some other depressed junkie faggot who put hot lead in his skull?

>>4512069
>The 90's were the absolute best for a childhood

Oh look, it's another poster who thinks the entire world=America. I wouldn't want to relive my cunt in the 90s.

>>4512212
>>4512237
Why modern western pop music is such shit? It's not even catchy.

>>4512195
Hope you don't mind me stealing this idea for a game.

>>4512230
Akira Toriyama is a shit artist. All of his work can be substituted in literally any setting of his and it wouldn't stick out at all.
Not to mention, DBZ was seriously shit in it's animated form. The Manga is just fine, but the show blows. Takes too long to get into anything and the animation was incredibly lazy in the fights, not to mention, even getting to a fight is a total slog.
>I'M GONNA KILL YOU FIRST!
>NOT IF I KILL YOU FIRST!
>BUT I'VE GOT THIS SECRET ATTACK!
>BUT I CAN COUNTER THE SECRET ATTACK!
>And so on and so forth

>>4510741
>Call me old fashioned, but my favorite way to organize my MP3s is a good, ol' fashioned file/folder system. I still use Winamp, too, even if it no longer whips the llama's ass quite as hard as it used to.
I begrudgingly made the switch from Winamp to foobar2000 after my massive playlists kept crashing Winamp. I miss the skins and visualizations the most.

>>4512284
>Toriyama is shit!
>manga is just fine, but the show blows

Dude. You clrealy know your stuff huh.

>>4512280
why does the guy on the left have some sort of bubble around his head?

>>4512305
Isn't that supposed to be a woman?

>>4512307
Looks like another guy with a sort of circle surrounding his head to me.

>>4512303
Not him but I despise Toriyama's art. It's one of the reasons I didn't try Chrono Trigger for a long long time.

I'm think the original xbox will skyrocket in price within the next ten years due to the faulty batteries in most models.

>>4512086
>Every game gear, turbo duo, laseractive pac, etc that didn't have its capacitors replaced will be completely destroyed
ICs will die of electromigration although that's less of an issue with stuff made since 2004 when they switched to copper interconnects.

>>4512303
The manga skips past a lot of that and gets straight to the action, plus his stills are much better than his animation.

>>4512395
>his animation
>his

>>4512397
Whatever. The show's animation was shit by comparison.
Refute literally anything without being pedantic.

>>4510373
>What will the retro gaming scene be like in 20 years?
Earthbound and Snatcher on Sega CD - around 200 USD
Voodoo5 5500 - 400 USD, 6000 - Nvidia %Titanmodelname% price tag
Cheapest Saturn game will be around 50 USD
PS2 still not retro.

>>4512318
reading comprehension
>>4512395
>>4512402
I don't want to be pedantic, but you strike as a super ignorant individual. Maybe you're baiting.

>>4512407
>PS2 still not retro.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>4512408
I've stated why I didn't like the show, and I said the manga was okay. You've just said that I have shit taste without backing anything up.
I said the show takes too long to get anywhere and the manga skips past all that and goes straight to the action and all you did was greentext at me without giving any reason he isn't shit.
>Oh yes, I will say he doesn't know what he's talking about, I'm sure that will prove I totally know what I'm talking about when I don't give any backup reasons why he's wrong.

>>4512004
They never made a lightgun for the wii. It was all sensor bar shit.

>>4512502
Not him but the Wii Zapper is just a glorified lightgun. I understand it's not the same as an actual lightgun, but it scratched the itch a bit.

>>4510448
Most retro websites already class 6th-gen as retro. /vr/ is very much the exception in this regard. Sorry chum.

>>4512432
>You've just said that I have shit taste without backing anything up.
I didn't say that.
It's not about agreeing or disagreeing with you. It's fine if you don't like it - I don't like a lot of popular things either. I just think the way you presented your arguments comes off as very ignorant. But it's true I might have misjudged you. I think the manga is very well paced and the anime has its highs and lows. I like it but I can see how a lot of people wouldn't be interested either because they don't care about shounen or simply don't like Toriyama's artstyle or whatever.

>>4510373
Wii U is going to be expensive as shit?

>>4510373
If that is James Rolfe in the future why does he have more hair than he does now?

>thread about future possibilities about the retro gaming scene
>most of the thread is nostalgic blogging from childhood past

Never change /vr/.

>>4511149
You're kind of right about how a lot of 80s shows were cheaply animated and some pretty much excuses to sell toys. BUT their big appeal were the "coolness" of the concepts and the creative designs. Also, the animation, if bad in a lot of shows, still showed well constructed, realistic characters which made it easier to identify with. Also, an important thing that very few people coments, but there were plenty of adults and old people starring in 80s shows: Inspector Gadget, Thundercats, COPS, He-Man, GI Joe, Dragon's Lair, The FLinstones, David the Gnome, Ghostbusters, Dragon Ball, etc. Even shows like Dr. Slump, which has a strong kid character like Arale, still featured a lot of adults, like Sembe Norimaki and plenty of adult humor as a consequence.

A lot of those animation shows had mediocre writting, but good values. Old people and grandparents were important, not only in animation, but in movies too, and kids wanted to be like the heroes these show featured. I grew up with a lot of 60s and 70s animation shows and I can tell you I'm much more nostalgic about the 80s shows, because it was much more cooler to be He-Man than to be Yogi Bear.

Amiibos and Disney Infinity figures will surely be sought after.

WiiU and Vita will be extremely cost prohibitive. The jewel in a hoarder's collection.

Retro streamers will be bitching about "dead games". Games that are severely gimped by the lack of features and patches due to no online support.

All the weeb shit on the PS3 might gain some traction too. Hang onto those NISA box sets you binge purchased at 2am. Atelier, Tales of, Ni no Kuni, Valkyrie, Catherine and others will be the new classics.

>>4512621
some kind of future hair surgery, paid for with patreon money in cash

>>4512706
agree with everything except amiibos

these toys belong in the garbage bin or will rot away in some numale's basement because nobody will give a fuck about super mario toy that can be easily hacked to acquire DLC and additional game content you're interested in

>>4511637
we're gonna need a /v00/ board for 2000-2010 stuff soon

>>4512654
Pretty comfy I agree.

>>4512724
/v2k/ is the idea, it would encompass everything since the year 2000 until whatever the lastest generation that isn't current is, right now it'd be 6th and 7th gen.

The Beatles aren't, nor will they be in 100 years, considered classical music. That is because we understand classical music as music that follows a specific canon, rather than music that is just old.

Similar applies to video games. Retro games have a specific feel, design philosophy, graphic limitations etc to them that are not present in later games. People can be nostalgic over Halo, but that doesn't make it a retro game. It has a different mentality and philosophy behind it.

This board isn't called "your childhood", it is called "retro games". I would even argue that modern indie games that try to emulate the retro feel have a better claim to belonging here than gen 6 games, but that is a different topic entirely.

>>4512754
>>4512754
This guy gets it, ps2 kids fuck off that era was a disgrace

>>4512754
Well, you could argue that a jrpg will never be a click and point game. But retro is not a genre of videogame, otherwise Final Fantasy and Doom would have more in common than FF-Bravely Default or Crysis-Doom which is ridiculous.

Classic music made in the year 1920 has more common with classic music done today than with jazz, they are different styles. Classic is not a tag a book or music gets after X years or because has a different touch, is simply a different genre.

However we talk about retro games as games that were old. We lack of a frame of reference because videogame is a recent phenomenon, but as time passes it will become clear. We can't have an objective opinion because not enough time has passed and because the 2D -> 3D jump was so big you can clearly see the difference, but every few years people will claim X generation was special in its own way.

How will you claim the opposite? Cinematics? Challenge? Graphics? Popularity? Videogames has always being a mediocre product for children, there are no redeeming qualities in old videogames like the need of a higher culture, values or new ideas being taught, etc. Is just you killings things and living adventures, doesn't matter if the game was done in 1990 or 2010. And clearly there are quality distinctions between latest John Green book and latest Thomas Pynchon book, and is not the release year.

The childhood boogeyman is the way some people cope with disagreement. Give it 10 years more and they will claim the same things about PS2.

I really don't give a fuck whether the board is 'retro', 'special', 'muh childhood' or the fuck you want to name it. I want to discuss videogames old enough to be in the radar of many. I can discuss CT, FF6 and Mario64 anywhere, but many other games have no longer space for discussions. If you want to feel special about the 90's, go on. Just fucking give me a board to talk about old games, reeeeeeeeee.

>>4512504
It's not even close to a lightgun. At best it's a great incentive to try the real thing.

>>4512519
List of these "retro websites already class 6th-gen as retro" websites, chum. kek

ps2 will never be retro, sorry kids /v/ is waiting for you :)

>>4512843
>Videogames has always being a mediocre product for children
Video Games first became mainstream with Pong, and the first places to test Pong cabinets were pubs and bars, not places for children.
In Japan, arcades became popular mostly by salarymen, due to Space Invaders.
Consoles were always made with "everyone" in mind. Some of them are for kids only, like the Sega Pico, but most consoles have games for all kind of ages, tastes, etc.
Saying video games are just for kids is like saying playing sports, or tabletop games, or card games, or reading classic literature that kids often read at school, like Verne, is only for kids, or mediocre.
There's a reason people keep playing old games other than nostalgia: some of these are actually pretty damn good. Always were, always will.

>>4511906
>There was like one or two "rich" kids in my town that even had a computer in 1997
Where the hell did you grow up? I wasn't rich, and my town was pretty small, but most people I knew had a home computer before that.

>>4512305
>>4512307
Is Christ.

>>4512843
If this was true then 5th gen shouldn't be there, this is where the modern trends really started / settled. I'm talking about forgetting the arcade design philosophy in home games.

>>4512843
Why do you think so many people rally to not include 6th gen and onwards on /vr/? Because they feel like video games stopped "having it" at a certain point, and that people who grew up with Halo have a different mindset than people who grew up with SMB. The rules wouldn't be in place if age was all that mattered. But the users of /vr/ do largely see retro gaming as an era that is static, as opposed to just games that are old.

Saying all videogames are fundamentally the same is disingenuous. There are absolutely many things that older videogames did differently compared to new ones. Cinematics, graphics and challenge are definitely drastically different between console generations. Saying that these differences do not matter because videogames do not have the artistic merit of classical literature makes zero sense. Should there be no standards at all because "it is for kids"?

And classical music is not strictly a genre. It is more of a paradigm that includes a number of genres, united by a canon of specific instruments and techniques used in the production of music. I see retro video games as similar. They were created and played in different cultural circumstances. Different kind of thinking was involved in making them. There are elements of older games that are obsolete or no longer common, like arcade mechanics. They are different, and some people want to talk specifically about retro games with other retro gamers, not "shut off their brain and talk about whatever, bro, games are for kids anyway".

The current rules work just fine. You can be a pedant about what makes any game retro, but limiting the discussion to the first 5 gens of gaming does largely limit it to talking about games that have the retro feel, and creates a board culture immersed in the zeigeist. Allowing newer games would change the board fundamentally, mostly for the worse. And you can discuss PS2 games on /v/ just fine.

>>4512952
>And you can discuss PS2 games on /v/ just fine.
You can't discuss much of anything on /v/. And honestly, you can't discuss much here, either, so I wonder why I even care.

>>4512956
Stop playing the victim and send an e-mail to hiro to make /v2k/ happen.
Many of us already did, do your part.

>>4512724
What do you mean "gonna?" We've needed that for the past three years.

>>4512237
One hit wonder

>>4512724
>>4512963
why can't you discuss those games on /v/? threads get buried or what?

>>4513014
My pic /v/ catalog's top row right now. This is /vr/ exists.

>>4513024
no shittier than /vr/ a lot of the time tbqhfam

>>4513014
The board gets more overcrowded with each passing year. You can thank Donald Trump for that

>>4512131
Adventure time

>>4513027
/vr/ is never THAT bad

>>4510993
That's because they never made it to broadcast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60H-W5BcWIA

>>4511487
Only if it was a 3-way. You can't spell vroom with /vr/, /o/, and /m/ after all.

>>4513108
>You can thank Donald Trump for that
is this the new "thanks obama"?

>>4513140
I dunno bout that man. I don't know about that.

lol at all these kids who think they are retro. try the Odyssey and the Atari. THAT is retro not you nintencrap

>>4512724
How many /vr/ boards would there be if 4chan is still around 100 years later?

/v/ is way too fast for any kind of discussion to take place. I've made threads there and had them disappear after like 15 minutes. Fast boards in general are terrible for anything but shitposting and memes, I've always stuck to the slow ones on chans. Hell, if it wasn't for this place I'd probably play less games and fuck off to /m/ or something.
As far as I'm concerned the rules are fine as they are, we need the 2k board to splinter another part of /v/ that actually cares about vidya.

>>4511212
retro isnt age retro is gameplay and aesthetics retard

>>4513231
No it's not.

>>4513179
I'm sure 4Chan won't even be around in 5 years.

>>4513212
/v2k is a stupid and needless idea and this board is too slow if anything. We should just move to a date system. 20 year old games are retro, across the board.

>>4512952
>But the users of /vr/ do largely see retro gaming as an era that is static
We do?

/v/ won't discuss PS2 games just like /a/ won't discuss classic anime.

>>4513286

Personally, I think /v2k/ is a good idea, but I could see including games that are old enough to legally drink in 'merica (21).

If games are that old, there is a huge chance it's only a devoted group still talking about them, not just the latest COD peeps.

>>4513386
We have too many useless boards we don't need anyway. There's no reason to create more.

You kiddos that demand sixth gen here should just go to 8ch's /vr/, where they allow that shit.

>>4513518
But it's dead af

>>4510373
Nonexistent thanks to over-dependence on online connectivity and micro-transactions.

>>4513178
>try the Odyssey and the Atari. THAT is retro not you nintencrap
Yes, true patrician taste my friend. Thankfully, hipster eceleb trash have overlooked and mocked those greats which makes collecting them very nice and cheap indeed.

>>4511743
It's the same as the PS3 version but with few frame drops, both versions are shit though since they are missing all the lighting from the original PS2 version.

>>4513286
But anon. People may talk about games I don't approve of.

>>4512281
Go for it man. Here's a taste of some primary source material for the 80s arcade atmosphere, a rare set of digitized Umatic format videos from the legendary "Silver Sue's" arcade in Chicago, 1982. This was the test bed for Williams games like Defender and Robotron, and the personal hangout of legends like Eugene Jarvis, where all the hardcore came out at night - unbelievable that this spare, raw footage still exists:

http://mediaburn.org/video/wired-in-video-demo-2/?t=2:05
http://mediaburn.org/video/wired-in-raw-23/?t=00:58
http://mediaburn.org/video/wired-in-raw-27/?t=01:08

An article on this arcade from an era magazine:
http://www.digitpress.com/library/magazines/joystik/joystik_apr83.pdf#page=14&zoom=auto,-197,776

>>4513286
This board isn't as slow as you might think. It's a mid-paced board.
/v2k/ is a good idea.

>>4511051

Lifeless nails it.
Look at Ren and Stimpy and show me a new cartoon with that many different expressions.
Everything is made animated now.

>>4513682
Get offa /vr/ and finish Cans Without Labels, John.

>>4511237
>"But moo-shoo, ei want that authentic retro feelioz!"

>>4512560
Honestly, his art style is fine, it's just that he draws the same thing over and over and hasn't changed it or stepped outside of his general style at all. His work for Tobal, Chrono Trigger, DQ and DBZ all looks exactly the same and unless you know where those characters belong, you'd never be able to tell they weren't from that particular universe.
I wish he would do something that really differentiated things, but he never did.

>>4513027
Only since the influx of NeoGAF and a bunch of /v/ posters who shit up the board with stupid questions.
We used to keep certain containment threads but the mods and jannys stopped policing that shit.

>>4513178
I prefer the Colecovision. Pepper II is one of my all-time favorite games.

>>4513751
>all looks exactly the same and unless you know where those characters belong, you'd never be able to tell they weren't from that particular universe.
Well, if Marvel and DC can have their universes, why not Toriyama?
Also, I think the guy changed his style a lot over the years.

>>4513276
LOL@U
People have been saying that since 2007 and here we are 10 years later.

>>4513762

>>4513389
Useless to you, maybe. /po/ is probably the slowest one I've ever seen, but I still like going there from time to time and seeing what those guys are up to. That stuff is pretty cool.

>>4513535
>I WANT IT THIS WAY
>"Anon, there's this place over here that does that"
>BUT I DON'T WANNA GO THERE

>>4513762
>>4513764
Anon, if that qualifies as changing your artstyle a lot over the years, I may have some news for you.
That's not that big a difference.
Even looking at his work from ChronoTrigger, it looks like Goku is sleeping in a chair while random mish-mashes of other characters are doing their thing.
Outside of some of the attire choices for the later artwork, it didn't change that much.

>>4510373
Bunch of faggots reminiscing about MW2.

>>4513779
What sort of change do you expect?
He did change a lot, he went from rounder bodies to more angular, muscled bodies.
Chrono Trigger, Tobal belong to this later phase of his.
I don't know what manga authors you like, but not everyone changes their style drastically.
I will say though, I really miss Toriyama's oil painting style, and kind of hate his digital painting.

Here is what I predict will be the Retro community in 20 years
>People scouring the earth for 6th gen consoles that still have functioning disc drives while others already have ways to mod their way past that
>Gamecube collecting is much like Sega Saturn now, games are a bit pricey, especially the more obscure titles
>Some people dive deep into the more obscure depths of the PS2 library, especially Japanese imports and other oddball titles that will get a cult following or will have their cult followings reborn because 6th gen is cool again
>Xbox collecting will probably be much like gamecube collecting, though slower as people have already modded it to hell and back, prices for tools to modify these will probably go up as people try to find new ways to turn their Original Xbox into something that can do just about any Chihiro games
>Wii homebrew scene gets more energy as people start trying to collect for it and turning it into a nice emulation box, though since the library is mostly garbage, game prices for none first party games will likely be low as fuck, while first party games will be rather pricey
>Nintendo probably already found a way to put 6th and 7th gen games on virtual console for their newest console
>PS3 and 360 collecting gains more ground as people search for oddball niche titles
>Holy grails now are download only titles that got pulled off of market, a bunch of them (Mostly shitty but very odd and obscure indie games for the 360) might get a cult following from /x/
>People will masturbate even more over Golden Sun
>Melee Circlejerk is in full fucking swing. Smash Melee is essentially what Ocarina of time was 12 years ago, "The best game ever"
>5th generation consoles are essentially shrugged off as toasters, much like Atari 2600 today, the only fans are 40 to 50 year old men
>Like the Atari today, all 5th gen consoles essentially have a robust homebrew scene to the point where people have made full on games for them (think Net Yaroze but good)

>>4513840
(cont.)
>Still most of the 5th gen community is laughed at and called "grandpas"
>4th gen literally is the grandpa generation at this point, games so fucking ancient and archaic by 2038, lots of people can't be assed to pay any attention to them, fans of this generation are pretty damn old, 40 at the least, but the majority might be around 60 at this point, expect senior centers to be full of people reminiscing about the 70s and 80s by this time
>3rd gen literally fucking laughed at by most people to the point where many don't call them toasters anymore, they're "non illuminating light bulbs"
>Atari is literally ancient artifacts
>A lot of the people who worked on the games from 5th gen and previous have long since peacefully retired, having been set for life hopefully
>others are probably company president
>A couple have just passed away entirely
>All the "seasoned industry vets" at this point are people that /v/ hate
>Gaming has become a rather polarized market, since on one side you have dumb virtue signaling non-games, and the other you have games that have very in depth mechanics and gameplay but have content that's considered "Edgy"
>Because of this shit, ESRB has to restructure to appeal to these 2 sides
>"You're either into walking sims, or you're into 'rape sims'"
>People who don't want to bother with that nonsense go to retro games

>>4512012
>Ruffles WOW!
So you can get virtual anal seepage?

>>4513840
>all 5th gen consoles essentially have a robust homebrew scene to the point where people have made full on games for them
There's no homebrew scene of any significance for 5th gen consoles. For one thing, the N64 isn't documented or understood well enough for homebrewers to code for it.

>>4513857
>>4513840

>>4510373
with the amount of digital games being released and new consoles requiring downloads, 7th gen would be retro. After that, retro gaming scene will be buying a glorified paperweight and then playing it on your new console when you buy a digital version a second time.

Sadly a lot of current gen games are going to be lost forever or unplayable since so much of modern gaming depends on DLC or online services that won't exist anymore in 25 years.

>>4511181
Not the pre microtransaction era Jap mobile stuff or satellaview or windows 95 games.
Can't find J.B. Harrold Manhattan Requiem and that was released in the app store 4 years ago in english, then delisted, for example.

>>4513840
>Here is what I predict will be the Retro community in 20 years
>It'll be overrun by underage who blog on 4chan just like 20 years ago

>>4514127
>le ebik lost dlc maymay
Not gonna happen kiddo. There are literally millions of people who, unlike you and other tards like the retarded tripfag, understand how to back this stuff up. Future generations will have no problem with this in 25 years.

>>4513120
Yeasaa but isnt it influenced hard by 90s?

>>4511649
>then ill go back to redit! Thatll show them

We dont want you here

people circle jerking hardcore over gamecube and ps2

>>4510450
>>4510962
>>4511216
It will never burst because they aren't making any more of these things.

Nobody will sell for less if they don't have to.

>>4514132
>Can't find J.B. Harrold Manhattan Requiem
I just bought it for Switch the other day.

>>4514324
Well, yeah, I'd imagine it wouldn't be too much different like it is now, except now 6th gen is the generation everyone masturbates over, and anything before is pretty much ancient history in the eyes of most people

people will think mario odyssey and zelda botw were just mediocre.

>>4510508
Born-in-the-wrong-generationfag spotted

>>4514132
>pre microtransaction era Jap mobile stuff
It was all unplayably poor ports of arcade games.
>>4514132
>satellaview
Grab a full ROM set, it's in there.
>>4514132
>windows 95 games
Good luck, there's only a billion of those.

>>4514887
Don't forget the Halo kids that will unironically think the Xbox was a good console.

>>4513014
/v/ only talks about the newest games and happenings and let's not talk about /vg/

>>4510373
>What will the retro gaming scene be like in 20 years?
The current autistic elitists screeching about how 360, PS3, etc. aren't "real" retro because it wasn't what they grew up with - except they'll be 20 years older.

>>4515091
still better than anything sega did

>>4515125
Funny, because Sega games were the only reason to own an OG Xbox.

>>4515125
I owned an original Xbox simply so I can play Shenmue 2 and Jet Set Radio Future. You filthy casuals need to learn to expand your taste in video games.

>>4515134
>>4515510
This. Besides Halo, you'd be hard pressed to think of any other good Xbox game that wasn't made by SEGA, SEGA pretty much outdid themselves by putting killer apps out on the Xbox and only the Xbox.

>>4514949
He's being honest though, he says he has nostalgia for his own childhood too

>>4516006
>SEGA pretty much outdid themselves by putting killer apps out on the DC2 and only the DC2
FTFYK

>>4515125
>Still better than anything relating to Sonic
FTFY

>>4516140
>>4516201
I bet you felt real witty when typing those posts

>>4512872
So you can childishly discredit them for going against your closed mind? Kek

>>4510450
>everyone is suddenly gonna lose all interest in retro stuff for no reason
>any m-minute now
>y-y-you'll see

>>4516890
I think what people here are hoping is that prices are no longer over inflated due to less educated people that got into collecting more recently due to a fad.

>>4510672
Praise be pirates.

How does it make you feel to know that all of our physical media has been slowly dying, with the data even on CD's just rotting away? It won't be too many decades until all legit retro originals are useless.

>>4513231
This is true, but not in the way gamertards think. By dictionary terms, retro actually refers to something trying to look like something from a previous time period. This means the only retro games are those that deliberately style themselves after games from previous decades, which right now is mostly indie stuff and nostalgia cashgrabs.

Your definition retro is a corruption of the term born from a widespread misunderstanding of how it is used. But that's just how language and definitions naturally change, so your definition of retro is acceptable. But then that means we also have to find that other anon's definition acceptable if enough people are using it the same way, and we end up in the same place where eventually, the PS2, GC and Xbox will be retro, and with enough decades, so will the PS4 and Switch.

>>4515091
>that will unironically think the Xbox was a good console.

Are you kidding me? XBOX was the multiplat king. You were doing it VERY wrong if you were buying multiplat games for anything but XBOX due to how much better they ran and looked.

>>4516918

One issue is, people that were born in the 80s are starting to get more money and better jobs finally. They buy retro because muh childhood. I know I've always been into retro and kept my childhood stuff, but recently I've got a hell of a lot of stuff for the consoles I only had a few games for, and bought a lot of consoles I wanted and never had.

Even if you eliminate the people into retro that is fad based, I think prices will still hold steady or rise slightly just due to the fact that people that had them in their childhood now have more disposable income.

I don't see a bubble bursting anytime soon. We should all collectively praise things like clone consoles and such because they have no net effect on physical hardware out there. Same for flashcarts and x in one carts because they keep randoms from buying games.

I personally have stopped buying plastic and cardboard as I have good flashcarts and don't have emotional attachment to plastic. I have the games from my youth, but sold or am selling the ones I don't care about.

>>4517109
Gamecube and PS2 still had more games though, and the Original Xbox controller was just strange

>>4516653
>only one person on the internet think's I'm retarded
Top kek kid

>>4513687
B-b but i love /vr/

>>4513682
>John K will NEVER be given another prime time show to make

Shit sucks, but after reading the book about the making of Ren & Stimpy I can understand it, guy was controlling to the extreme and an obsessive perfectionist.

It's amazing that season one even exists.

>>4517402
Sure when it came to exclusives the XBOX was near dead in the water and "the duke" as the original controller was known got replaced by the smaller, more comfortable, version. When it came to multiplats though PS2 and GC couldn't even get close with the XBOX even getting exclusive content over the other versions (Godzilla had the cut characters for example)

>>4511856
This is probably true, too, but it doesn't make them wrong.
>>4512131
I can tell you for sure 20 years from now I'm gonna be nostalgic for when Kendrick Lamar was running the rap game and when those edgy Marvel netflix shows were all over the place.