/vr/ - Retro Games

>why don't all manufacturers cater exclusively to my specific needs?

>>4506332
>Any kind of moving object on any display is a specific need
Is color also a "specific need"?

>>4506332
>I exclusively watch slideshows on my TV. None of this "moving pictures" witchcraft is allowed in my house.

>>4506325
I think it probably has a lot to do with lack of phosphor persistence in LCD/OLED displays.

My Pioneer Kuro plasma comes very close to matching a CRT's motion performance.

>>4506340
>>4506343
I will give you the benefit of doubt and assume you are only pretending to be retarded

normalfags care mainly about price and size, image "quality" is a lesser factor, especially when you can't easily market something, i.e. motion blur. resolution, viewing angles or dynamic contrast ratio are much easier to compare and advertise, mainly because they have specific numeric values

the average consumer wants bang for their buck, and LCD/LEDs are quite cheap in large sizes. Additionally they are very sharp and bright, which makes them look great on display in bright retail environments compared to technologies that are not backlit, even if technically speaking their picture is inferior.
Add to this early problems that plagued other tech like plasma's burn-in, which had lasting damage to its reputation even after it was mostly rectified, and LCD/LED won out.

>>4506356
You referred to anon's "specific needs" which is patently idiotic

No point deploying the damage control now

>>4506367
>be stupid on the internet
>get called out
>"hurr damage control"

>>4506325
You know damn well why jackass.

>using blurbusters' ufo test
>feigning ignorance on black frame insertion

>>4506332
Honestly, some TVs (my livingroom included) handles motion insanely awful. It looks like it's an oil painting or some shit, like anything that moves leaves a trail

Now i'll admit, this TV is a cheap piece of shit and doesn't represent all TVs, but almost everyone who uses a TV will be watching it in motion

>>4506356
>>4506403
Someone can never admit when they worded their thoughts poorly and get ridiculously butthurt when called out on it.
All you have to do is say "What I meant to say is price and size are the 2 most important aspects of a TV", instead of implying that other people are retarded instead of yourself.

And before you say your typical response, I am neither of those people. I am >>4506630
You're anonymous, there's no harm in admitting you didn't express your thoughts properly.


Also, OP, is it possibly they consider this blurring shit a good thing because TV/movies have motion-blur built-in anyways to factor in the 24fps?

>>4506403
Why are you like this?

>>4506634
>Someone can never admit when they worded their thoughts poorly
>mfw if you do this anyway, people say you're moving the goalposts and changing your argument
it really is just easier to call everyone faggots and be done with it

>>4506630
This makes me feel better

>buy a 800$ TV
>50 inch
>I notice that the motion in my game is a little blurry and when it's very dark on screen I can notice the smear left in the shadows

oh well. It would be nice but I have a large tube TV for gaming in my game room (30inch) and even with my reading glasses on it gets a little hard to read some text boxes and when I put the game onto my big TV I have no problems but I get the slight motion blurr.

>>4506325
Yep and now with 4K panels you get motion blur and the inability to upscale sub 4k resolutions without blurry interpolation. What an age we live in!

>>4506348

I also use plasma.
Good: Fast pixel response, very little delay or trailing
Bad: Image retention, and the possibility of burn-in.

>>4507754
Plasma doesn't permanently burn in, it goes away after about as much time as it took to set in in the first place. There's just a lot of paranoia about it because it looks so similar to crt burn in - and is extremely easy to get. When I put my big plasma in 4:3 mode, the ladderbars are a medium gray that is distracting as shit with no other option just to keep those areas from being noticeably darker when you switch back to 16:9

>>4506340

You realize that most crts and lcds don't display accurate color even after calibration.

>>4507789

What you're describing is image retention, which I also mention. But don't think that true, permanent burn-in doesn't happen with plasma. It does. Just takes longer.

Okay, /vr/ I know I eventually have "upgrade" my CRT to one of those modern TVs but I literally know nothing about them apart from them having some input lag making games like Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! borderline unplayable.

So what kind of the modern TVs is least worst as far as playing /vr/ games is concerned and what should I be looking for when choosing one? Do Plasma vs LCD vs LED matter or should I just try to find one with lowest response time response time or what I should focus on when choosing one?

>>4508379
Jesus Christ you're the biggest gaylord ever. Keep it up and I'm just gonna have to get on my knees and give you a night you'll never forget.

>>4507754
My 8th gen Kuro has a sweep program to clean up any retention and help prevent burn-in. I run it after any prolonged gaming session or when I've been watching a lot of 4:3 or letterboxed material and haven't had any problems despite over 20k hours logged on the panel.

>>4507789
I went into service mode and changed the ladder bars to black as I couldn't stand them being grey. As mentioned above I just run the sweep program on a regular basis as part of a preventative maintenance schedule.

8th and 9th gen plasmas are still the ultimate flat panel display technology as far as I'm concerned, especially for SD gaming. Pic related is Megadrive fed directly to the display via SCART.

>>4508379

I have a friend who used to say that punchout is unplayable on LCD, Plasma etc screens and that you can play it only on CRT. Then I beat it in front of his eyes on two different LCD screens and one plasma while he struggled to beat it on CRT. Dont believe shit autists say on /vr/, if CRT screens were superior to LCD everyone would still be using them.

Inb4 "but normieeeeees"

>>4508541
Your post has so many logical flaws I'm not even going to bother responding to them one by one.

>>4508548

Please do

>>4508541
LCDs have some advantages, but also some serious disadvantages, anon. They're a backlit display so their blacks will never be as "rich" as CRT/OLED/Plasma ('pure' black levels are generally accepted as a primary measure of picture quality), pixel response times and motion blur have been a consistent problem, and color reproduction is subpar compared to other tech. They are brighter and sharper than many other displays, which makes them good for computer applications. And of course they're light and energy-efficient. To people who give a damn about picture quality though e.g. home theater enthusiasts there are good reasons why they are not as popular.

Also just because you're better at Punch Out than your friend does not mean input lag is a myth. It can be minuscule but it happens on any display with digital processing, which nowadays is more or less all of them.

>>4508541
Why even
Breath?
trough your mouth?

>>4509491
CRTs are backlit

>>4509585
CRTs have an electron gun at the that shoots a beam at phosphors on the screen to produce light. It simply skips areas that are meant to be black so the phosphors don't glow. They are not backlit at all.

>>4509604
an electron gun at the back, rather.

>>4506613
Fuck off retard.

>>4509605

But it is not backlit, because the visible light is not produced by the electron gun, but by the phosphors in the screen activated by it.

Anon is still correct. The only "backlit" CRT would be a large-screen rear-projection model.

>>4509965
Sorry, I think I caused a misunderstanding. I'm >>4509604 and I was correcting a typo in my initial reply ("an electron gun at the that"). So we're on the same page with CRTs.

>>4506736
Maybe you should stop making every single discussion an argument then?

>>4509604
So the light that comes out of a CRT comes from the front?

>>4510352
Correct. The front has a phosphor coating which glows when struck by the electron beam.

>>4510465
>The front has a phosphor coating
Pretty sure it doesn't. The front feels like glass and everyone says it's glass. Except this one kid on 4chan but I think he might be retarded and can't tell which part of the glass is the front and which is the back. I'm pretty sure he's too young to have ever seen an actual front lighted display.

>>4510484
The "front" relative to the rest of the CRT, anon. The word you're looking for to describe it relative to the glass is "inside." Obviously it is on the inside of the glass screen.

>>4510484

>The front feels like glass and everyone says it's glass

I feel dumber just by reading your comment

>>4510509
So the "front" like backlighting on an LCD. Which is in front of the reflector, housing, etc. I'm not looking for a word champ. I used the right one. The phosphor is on the back of the glass. Relative to the front. Where the lighting does not come from.

>>4510510
It's pretty common to feel dumber when you think you know stuff and are confronted with someone who has more knowledge than you.

You guys just have a fundamental misunderstanding of what back/front lighting is. So while all your justifications may seem brilliant in your eyes they're really just retarded. With front lighting the light goes in the front and is reflected back out the front. But, you know, that's just what me and everyone else says. Who's to say we can't all be wrong and two kids on the internet are right. lol.

>>4510651
I prefer to refer to "additive" and "subtractive" displays to avoid confusion.

CRTs, Plasmas and Pleads build up a lighter image from a black base and are "additive" displays.

LCDs - or as I have come to term them "shitty displays" darken down a constant backlight and are therefore "subtractive".

Not sure what category DLP comes under but they're mostly wank for gaming so it doesn't really matter in any case.

>>4510813
>Pleads

Wtf phone? I meant to say OLEDs.

>>4507754

Plasma is great for a flat tv. You do have to be a little more careful about leaving the same image on as it can cause burn in, though it's usually not permanent. Most tvs have a tool that flashes random colors on it to fix it. It does go away eventually.

The picture looks better and the response time is much better (though led/lcd have come a long way in this aspect). They are still shit for 240p content but work good on hd era stuff.

>>4508379

You probably won't find a plasma now unless you buy it on craigslist. They don't make them anymore, which is a shame as they were great tech.

>>4510817
Mine handles 15khz progressive surprisingly well actually. See >>4508491.

It is a 1366x768 panel though so pretty much a 3x integer scale which works quite well. 1080p ones are likely far less suited to retro gaming.

>>4510651

ok, I will continue to be paid for fixing these things that I don't know how they work

>>4510651
>I'm being pedantic therefore I'm smarter

>>4510651

Fuck there's so much butt-hurt "I lost the argument but I'm still arguing" stupidity in this post.

>>4510196
See, now you've got me in a catch 22 if I try to explain myself. If I do, then I'm arguing. If I don't, then I'm confirming what you're saying due to a lack of response. You just can't win.

you guys are the worst breed

>>4510813
DLPs would don't fit under either. You need to make up another one.

>>4511268
>ok, I will continue to larp
lol

>>4511469
>I'm right therefore I'm right
FTFY

>>4511502
Projecting pretty hard there sport. Stay mad.

>>4506356
this, normies are dumb and don't give a fuck. market a display with less motion blur and more accurate colors? yawn. market a display that's biggerer and cheaperer? fuck yes give us 10 million units.

>>4510813
That's just going to cause more confusion, since there are additive and subtractive colorspaces.

>>4513026
Not for display technology, unless you count those massively obscure CMY panels from 2 decades ago.

>>4511607
How is this drawing so shit and so good at the same time

>>4513819

It's like a skilled mugshot artist drew sonic based on a third-hand description of the perp.

>>4506325
so we have to spend even more money on 144hz meme panels that barely do it properly lol