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>reading the stage directions out loud

>>4504060
How different would today's gaming landscape be if these four syllables hadn't been uttered?

>>4504071
I imagine that's a price point they intended to drop the hardware to fairly soon after release anyway, Sega just pushed them a little bit (and completely shot themselves in the foot while they were at it)

Switch is outselling PS4, so...

>>4503975
But the Wii outsold PS4.

>>4504076
The PS3 was easily the weakest performer of the seventh gen, too.

And the PS4 is proof that Sony is getting big for their breeches: zero back compat, continued reliance on the same second party single player franchises, complete unwillingness to do cross-platform play, PS+ subs are never on sale, the Pro can't even actually do 4K in anything but Netflix. They are in for a rude awakening, I can feel it.

Lol

>>4504073
Prove it.

>>4504073
>>4504076
The nintendon't sony obsession is real.

>>4504147
The day Nintendo manages to get all the "normal" people into buying third party games on the Switch that will the day that the PlayStation brand dies, Sony has little to none IPs to make a console float like Nintendo did with the N64 or the NGC.
>>4504198
Is selling faster than the PS4, but again the PS4 has sold more than 70 millions units until early December, if the Switch keeps the momentum it could pass the Ps4 sales in the same window margin.

>>4504073
>>4504198
he cant, even this year PS4 sold twice as much as switch

>>4504221
>Is selling faster than the PS4
Is the US that is.

Is there a video game company that dug its own grave even deeper than Sega?

>>4504229
SNK blamed piracy when in reality they badly managed their money, making theme parks, making the kind of cool NeoGeo64 thingy instead of sucking SEGA dick and of course the NeoGeoPocket which with less than a year in the market they made the NGPColor just to be killed by the GBC.

>>4504180
>Nintendo It Prints DollarS and It Prints Monii

>>4504221
>Is selling faster than the PS4
>if the Switch keeps the momentum it could pass the Ps4 sales in the same window margin.
Just because it's selling "faster", doesn't mean it's going to catch up to PS4 sales numbers. PS3 & Xbox 360 sold 80 million units each worldwide, they couldn't catch up with the Wii. So it's unlikely that the Switch will catch up with the PS4.

>>4504229
Sega wasn't counting on piracy. Since the Dreamcast could read burned discs, it was pretty easy for PC gaymers to pirate Dreamcast games & sell burn copies for $5 each.

>>4504262
The Playstation had rampant piracy yet it didn't affect them that badly.

Sega already had a colossal amount of bad PR and bad business decisions that sealed its own fate. Even the Dreamcast wouldn't save them and the Playstation 2 was just the final coffin.

>>4504282
The PS1 only sold big on Latin America because of piracy, i never saw an original PS1 game growing up, yet sony made a huge profit out of it.

>>4504345
IIRC Sony sold something like 30 million PS1 consoles after the PS2 was released. And most of them were in poorer countries where people would pirate.

So the PS1's "big" win over the N64 is actually pretty artificial - hardware sales were boosted by piracy.

>>4504282
>rampant piracy
Nope. PS1 games were harder to pirate because of how it's made.

Piracy of Dreamcast games affected sales.

>>4504373
>PS1 games were harder to pirate because of how it's made.
Bitch please. By the 2000s PS1 mod chips were extremely cheap, and it's easy to burn PS1 games than Dreamcast games cause the former will always fit on a standard CD while the latter usually requires some kind of fiddling.

>>4504373
The underage Christmas break is strong here

>>4504415
Christmas break exists for college students too, you know. It lasts slightly longer, but it's still the case.

>>4504228
It's on track to outsell the PS2 in terms of first year sales in Japan, which is kind of incredible honestly.

I really don't get the hype. I've got one, and it's neat, but it's got some massive flaws.

>*casualizes your market and lets amateur devs flood the industry with low quality games*

>>4504373
You're right on the PS1, but wrong on the Dreamcast. CD's were pricey at the time, no one was wasting that kind of cash to pirate. It was an expensive medium.

>>4504551
>CD's were pricey at the time, no one was wasting that kind of cash to pirate.
Literally laughing at you right now.

Yeah, nobody pirated, it was way cheaper buying $60 games than a $20 spindle of CDs that you could put the entire library on, lmao. What the fuck.

>>4504541
Yep. Even if the PS1-PS2 eras still had plenty of good games (I usually call it Silver age for this), this was their true legacy in the long term.

>>4504551
This guy HAS to be trolling, you can't be THAT underage.

>>4504551
I lived in a small town and worked with a guy who pirated PlayStation games back in '97. He did me a copy of Gran Turismo (JPN) before it was released in the west.

Sure, burners and blanks were pricey but so were games. A couple of quid spent on a Kodak Gold CD-R was definitely cheaper than forking out 40 for a new release.

>>4504556
Letting devs off of their leash was the beginning of the end, and it's what has resulted in the current gaming landscape. People talk about "evil Nintendo and their draconian policies", but those policies were put in place to make sure that quality content rose to the top and that amateur devs were weeded out. That's what consoles like SNES and N64, and even competing consoles like Genesis, had so many high quality games, because even Nintendo's competitors had to step up to the plate. That changed with the PS1. The PS1 was the console where hordes of people who had never even considered making games created startups and began producing literal hundreds of terrible games. Everyone saw the opportunity to jump ship, so they abandoned Nintendo and Sega and joined the Sony lemon party. The result was that Sony became king because of low development costs and lax policies, but the quality of games has suffered and you no longer have the kind of old blood working with games that you used to, now it's literally a bunch of retarded hipsters, which is why you get games like No Man's Sky which give the illusion of being "AAA", but are in reality dogshit indie titles. It's a sad day for gaming, but I am thankful that Nintendo is still around and making the same quality games. Although, even they are being tainted by the mobile/microtransaction craze.

>>4504567
You're right to some degree but what about stuff like my pic?

>>4504583
Also, see Superman 64 for a fucking prime example of shovelware garbage on a Nintendo system.

The devs of that turd even said that they were pretty much forced to drop their original gameplay concepts which would have resulted in a radically different game. Protectionist control policies of that kind can equally stifle creativity as well as weed out shitty titles. Better to let the gamers vote with their wallets I say.

>>4504602
>they were pretty much forced to drop their original gameplay concepts
It wasn't Nintendo who did the forcing

>>4504602
>Better to let the gamers vote with their wallets I say.
Too bad they're ignorant and pay for lootboxes and shit.

>>4504610
They allowed it to be released though which is almost as bad if not worse.

>>4504613
These days sure but back then?

>>4504620
Just wanted to illustrate that approach also has some downsides; if the demand is ignorant you end up with shitty supply (games). It wasn't as bad in the late 90's until around the mid 00's or so but as soon as online came to consoles a a standard the floodgates of diarrhea opened.

>>4504613
Voting with your wallet doesn't work when the choices to vote for are all garbage and your vote only incentivizes them to keep shitting out more of the same. What we need is another vidya crash.

>>4504642
I mean where are the arcade shoot'em ups, arcade belt scrollers and space combat games for me to vote? And in a not shitty platform like Steam lol
Nex Machina for GoG was a good game last year and it flopped to the point the company isn't making any more games like that.

>>4504583
>>4504602
No system is without shovelware, but that's not really the point. The point is that Nintendo minimized it as much as possible, and would often world work directly with particular 3rd parties like Midway who they thought would bring quality games to the table. Again, that isn't to say a few shitty games don't make it through, but the PS1 was literally marketed and designed around shovelware.

>>4504650
The NES had no shortage of stuff like the pic I posted, that was just an example.

>>4504656
The NES is a little different, you're also talking about a time when Nintendo had basically no competition and had just entered the industry, that's much different from the SNES/N64 and beyond Nintendo. Unless you intend to tell me that your average Nintendo system has even half as much shovelware as the PS1, everything I've said is still relevant.

>>4504671
No, it's impossible to deny shovelware exploded during the PS1-PS2-Wii eras.

>>4504650
>the PS1 was literally marketed and designed around shovelware.
What a load of horseshit.

It was designed to open up the market and move away from Nintendo's rabidly protectionist walled-garden business model.

I'd rather have 2000 varied games to choose from than have some focus group dictate 200 they think I should be allowed to experience.

>>4504147
>The PS3 was easily the weakest performer of the seventh gen, too.
Actually I'm pretty sure that ended up being the 360.

>>4504373
Nope, every console was sold with a modchip, problem solved.

>>4504901
PS3 launched as a complete disaster, but the Sony brand allowed them a comeback. Meanwhile, Microsoft ruined the Xbox brand with its "you don't own games" bullshit and probably won't ever rebound.

>>4504907
Yeah the 360 had a lot more momentum early on but 2010-onwards Xbox was a sad spectacle.

>>4504539
>but it's got some massive flaws.

Whould you be kind to elaborate, please?

>>4504567
>which is why you get games like No Man's Sky which give the illusion of being "AAA", but are in reality dogshit indie titles.

I liked No Man's Sky, but I agree 100% with your comment. It was a niche game for a certain type of gamer (I'm one who enjoyed it) but it was pushed as some huge AAA "revolutionary" game that everyone must have. It's not. It's for nerds of procedural generation, which I am.

The game is a little more of a game after several updates, but let's be honest, it's a shitty minecraft clone with better graphics and only has a neat procedural generation system going for it. It's basically a game where you play if you don't want to get really invested in a game and just like looking at pretty scenery.

>>4504642
>What we need is another vidya crash.

As much as this saddens me, it's entirely true. Xbox, playstation and nintendo need to have a serious competitor so they can innovate again. Competition drives innovation. Right now you have two companies that pretty much are the same thing with different fanboys, and one that is kind of quirky but living off it's past IPs with it's own type of fanboys. Shit needs shaken up.

>>4504927
Most consumers seem quite happy with what's coming out judging by sales of both consoles and software, so things really don't need to be shaken up, you just want them to.

>>4504220
But look who started this thread.

>>4504931
Most people also think Lady Gaga makes good music, what's your point? Most people lack braincells and tastebuds.

>>4504949
>gamesuck
Well, you're one of those people that lack braincells and tastebuds.

>>4504931
FIFA 18 GOAT

>>4504949
That's just your taste and the industry doesn't need to (and certainly won't) change to please you, not when they're doing great financially. By the way, judging the state an industry through the lens of your own subjective tastes is the hallmark of a brainlet who thinks he's smarter than everyone else.

>>4504950
Failure to detect ironic usage of imagery is a sign of autism, you know.

>>4504957
CoD WWII GOAT

>>4504960
>I-I-I was only PRETENDING to be a gamesuck fanboy!!!

>>4504960
At least I don't save pictures of retarded guys for "ironic" reasons.

>>4504967
The fuck? Does using a Hitler reaction pic make me a Nazi too?

>>4504968
Sounds like you just have no sense of humour, bro. Sorry for your loss.

>>4504973
Hi, Joe

>>4504963
Meme all you want but just imagine being a consultant at a big game company and going up to the CEO and saying "yeah I know we're making more money than ever but we really need to change things up because some autists on 4chan think we're getting stale". So yeah the industry certainly does not NEED to change even though everyone in this board would probably like it to. Also, saying that there's no serious competition today is simply the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

>>4504976
I'm not blaming the companies, they're doing their job. The fault is truly at the consumer base. They demand shit so devs/publishers supply it.

>>4504974
Don't forget to sub to GameSack, buy our BluRay releases, and donate when I'm streaming retro games.

>>4504984
The only video I've liked from you guys is the one where you make fun of yourselves and other popular retro e-celebs lol

>>4504983
Well shit that's just the way it is isn't it? If your tastes differ from the mass market then you should expect to not like mass market oriented products.

>>4504984
These guys need to get together with mental jesus rocks and his little black token and have a game off to prove who is the better gamer. Pat and ian are judges and bootsy is the ref.

>>4504989
The problem is that said mass is SO big nowadays compared to retro times that there are less mid to high budget games being made with different tastes in mind, the financial incentive has become so tiny it just doesn't happen anymore.

>>4504987
That's my favorite ep, too. The hardware modding ep was also pretty good though.

>>4504993
That is true, unless you're into weeb games mid budget titles have almost completely evaporated. They're slowly being replaced by 'large' indies though, which hasn't always been a good thing.

>>4504993
Dont be dumb CoD is the most "monumental" game ever made and unreal engine has been in development for 10 years. These games best better and innovate not like retro vidya, but more better as graphics are real. True to life kill headshot, bang, then i laugh. Much better than retra gams.

>>4504997
I'm not a weeb so yeah, this is a shame.

>>4505002
(You)

>>4504147
PS3: 86 million units sold
X360: 85 million units sold

PS3 weakest performer of 7th gen?

The PS3 also had more powerful hardware than the X360 as well.

>>4505009
Hi, Chad Warden

>>4504356
Even if you remove those 30 million, that’s still 72 million vs the N64 39 million, so still blown out anyway.

>>4504229
Atari

>>4505009
>The PS3 also had more powerful hardware than the X360 as well.
Yet, it had shittier versions of multiplats because CELL processor was a bitch to work with.

>>4504554
$60? PS1 games were $40 new.

>>4505019
The power of cheaper games and piracy

>>4505010
Sup, bitches.

>>4505023
At first yes, but towards the end of that gen, games were looking better in PS3 once devs knew how to work with it. But yeah cell processor was a bad idea ultimately.

>>4505010
I’m not him, isn't he dead of something?

>>4505040
His last sign of lif ewas 5 years ago.

>>4505040
Nice try, Chad. Don't try this "isn't he dead" stuff like Icycalm.

>>4503975
>be Nintendo
>act like tyrannical dictator
>anti competitive practices
>new guy comes along
>makes affordable dev kits
>CDs are affordable way of printing games
>CD held more data than cart
>new guy won’t act like tyrannical dictator
>all the people who made games for you flee to the new guy
>wonder why that happened
I wonder.

>>4504567
>and making the same quality games

>>4505052
Dude, that Darkstalkers 3 port sucks. I own it
It's not only not arcade perfect, the mechanics are altered and butchered. It also has bad loading times as well as blood censorship.
Also I personally dislike most games there, I prefer other PS1 games like Mega Man X4.

>>4505009
Try again faggot. Worldwide sales are 84m for 360, 80m for PS3.

>>4505052
>>act like tyrannical dictator
That's supposed to be a bad thing? I'll take someone enforcing quality control over shovelware machines like what Sony produces.

>>4504997
>unless you're into weeb games mid budget titles have almost completely evaporated
What weeb games are mid budget? They did exist (like the one on the picture), but nowadays only indies make weeaboshit.

>>4504883
>It was designed to open up the market and move away from Nintendo's rabidly protectionist walled-garden business model
Right, so just as I said, marketed and designed around shovelware. Without any strict guidelines and limitations, devs run wild and start pumping out dogshit, which is what happened to the PS1.
>I'd rather have 2000 varied games to choose from than have some focus group dictate 200 they think I should be allowed to experience.
Focus group? Lol, that's not how it worked at all. Moreover, what you're really saying is that you'd rather have 2000 worthless titles than 30 amazing ones, and that makes no sense to me whatsoever.

>>4505068
Nobody but the consumer has the right to enforce quality control unless the game is simply not playable. Just imagine all those cool litttle weird PS1 games that would never have been made had it been in a Nintendo console.

>>4505065
When using your crappy inaccurate source maybe.

>>4505075
>Just imagine all those cool litttle weird PS1 games that would never have been made had it been in a Nintendo console.
What cool little weird PS1 games are those? Had Nintendo been in charge, the PS1 might have actually had good games.

>>4505078
My source is Wikipedia, which has a long list of verifiable sources that it draws from as well. What's your source retard?

>>4505080
Oh I remember you from another thread, you're that faggot who thinks that if a game isn't a "premium" classic full of content (read, padding) it's not worth playing.

>>4505065
>80 million
That’s less than PSP you retard.

>>4505085
>Oh I remember you from another thread, you're that faggot who thinks that if a game isn't a "premium" classic full of content (read, padding) it's not worth playing.
Funny, I don't remember you, probably because faggots are a dime a dozen on this board. Regardless, I can only assume you have me confused with someone else because my criteria for a good game rests in three areas: quality of presentation, quality of gameplay, quality of content. I'm still waiting on your list of these "cool little weird PS1 games", because I'm racking my brain here and all I can come up with is shovelware outside of a few titles like Alundra and Medievil which hardly fit this description. Maybe the non-game LSD Simulator is what you're talking about?

>>4505083
I just looked on wiki, it ways 84 and 83, you can’t even read what it says on wiki. Even then wikis numbers aren’t even up to date.

>>4505080
Well for starters I've been playing Omega Boost and the GitS game recently and I'm fairly certain both those games would have never have been made in the N64. Also some time ago I played one called Silent Bomber which was really good, super underrated, and again it's the kind of game that would not get published on the N64 for sure.

Not to mention all the RPGs, 2D SHMUPs, racing games and fighting games that you just don't see in the N64.

>>4505089
>That’s less than PSP you retard.
Okay, and? That's how many units the PS3 sold. Your spectrum disorder is showing.

>>4505094

>>4505096
On Wikipedia

PSP 82 million
PS3 83 million

Do you math?

>>4505103
>PS3 83 million
See >>4505102

I'm still trying to figure out how the PSP has anything to do with this discussion but whatever you say fagoid.

>>4505102
>As of 2013

PS3 continued selling after that.

Wikipedia says 83 million.

>sonyggers shitposting about non-retro shit
color me surprised

>>4505105
>PS3 continued selling after that.
That doesn't mean it sold any quantifiable number of consoles, certainly not 3 million.
>Wikipedia says 83 million.
Are you literally retarded?

>>4505104
It says 83 on Wikipedia

>>4504976

If you want an example of what gaming will eventually go to, go watch old people put money in slot machines at a casino. Pretty lights, loud jarring yet somehow soothing sounds (see sound on breath of the wild) and casual almost one button auto play.

I just hope "real vidya games" are still a thing.

As long as it's not made illegal, companies will continue to allow loot crates and other such gambling devices in their product.

Just look at GTAV, sure online was fun for a while, but it's all a huge cash grab. Also no DLC (remember in IV TBOGT and TLATD, and how good they were) will ever exist when cashgrab online is a thing. You can't blame companies for making money. Paid DLC is bad enough, but I can get behind it if it has a shit ton of content like the ones on IV.

>>4505109
Uh no, it doesn't. It literally does not. I just posted a picture and I'm looking at the article right now, what is going on in your brain?

nice stealthy non-retro thread, and what a shock it's complete garbage

Sony fans are legitimately retarded across the board, this thread proves it.

>>4503975
Nintendo zombies still butthurt, I ecks dee everytime.

>>4505120
>butthurt about having better games and laughing after Sony lost every bit of money they made off PS1 and PS2 in a single generation and still haven't recovered

>>4505113
Sony fanboys are really angry that the only console they can talk about on /vr/ is the PS.

>>4505112
Whatchu talkin bout willis?

>>4505130
>Whatchu talkin bout willis?
The actual Wiki article.

>>4505134
I know, that’s what my pic related is. Wikipedia.

>>4505127
the thread serves as a nice reminder as to why 6th gen and beyond should never be allowed though
what a fucking dumpster fire

>>4505113
This thread exists in 2050 so it's already retro for us.

>>4505136
5th is already pushing it indeed. It usually brings the worst threads.

>>4505127
Why would they be mad about that? The first PlayStation was their only good system.

>>4505136
It's because you and your mates samefag and eventually say that exact thing when it gets to about 100 posts.

>>4504650

NES SNES and GB had a truckload of crap games, the n64 got its fair share of stinkers too despite 3rd parties jumping off the boat in its later times.

>>4504147
>PS+ subs are never on sale,
They were on sale for two weeks in November.

>>4505045
What are the chances he'll come back and save us?

>>4505349
Saves us from what lol

>>4505334
You know, the more I explore the NES's library the more I understand how stricter quality control became a big focus for Nintendo. In the PS1 days you could certainly stumble on a stinker but most of the time the worst case scenario if you picked a game at random was that you'd get a mediocre bargain bin shovelware that sometimes turned out to be surprisingly fun. Not to mention the proliferation of demo discs really mitigated the problem of having shitty games on the market. But on the NES if you picked up a game without much prior knowledge you could end up with something downright completely unplayable. A bad game during the NES days was on average a lot worse than a bad game during the PS1 days.

>>4504282
>Sega's bad business decisions

They (Sega Japan) rejected the hardwares that became the PS1 and N64. They also rejected a deal with Microsoft to put Windows on the Dreamcast. They literally killed themselves.

>>4505369
ASS

>>4505369
>mediocre bargain bin shovelware that sometimes turned out to be surprisingly fun
Thanks for reminding me of the best blind purchase I've done to this date.

>>4505369
I think, on average, PS1 games are worse. With NES, there weren't a lot of ways to fuck up the game to the point of actually being downright unplayable. On PS1 it was a lot easier to make absolute dogshit like Bubsy 3D (just an example of a popular bad game that's not even as bad as many other PS1 shovelware).

>>4504913
Not him but the actual stealth cost of the Switch is actually quite shocking. System is $400cdn+ game at $70cdn at minimum, then if you want a controller that isn't made for 8-year-olds, pro controller is $90cdn, and online sub is looking to be similarly priced this year at $70cdn, so the total cost for this setup is $630. Ps4 bundles last month had the system + game for $280cdn with 1 year of online and extra controllers are $70 officially and $20 for chink knockoffs, so you could have a comparable setup at less than half the price. Obviously this is because ps4 has the head start but even brand spanking new the bundles had games at $400 unlike Switch. It's going to be hard to convince people to break into the system when the guys with 90% of the game share will let you break in at half the price. Parents would be more inclined to just buy them a 3ds and the current numbers reflect that. Funny enough this was the exact same scenario ps3 was in against Wii.
Secondly, it doesn't have a library. It has four games - Mario, Zelda, Splatoon, and MK8. It has third party games that came out on other systems two years ago with better graphics. This is EXACTLY how the Wii U started out and it stalled after that first year so they'll have to try and avoid doing that again.

TL;DR current cost and tiny library against well established competitor.

>>4505390
>With NES, there weren't a lot of ways to fuck up the game to the point of actually being downright unplayable.
You're wrong, buddy. There's always ways to make shitty games. And the NES has quite a lot considering the Nintendo control shit.

>>4505390
I disagree, in fact I don't think I've ever seen another console where there's such a crazy variation in quality between games of the same gen as in the NES.

>>4505395
I know that there's always ways to make shitty games, I didn't imply otherwise. I just think it was easier for devs to fuck up in the early days of 3D than on 2D games. I think I'm not wrong, but to each their own.
>>4505398
I disagree and, although I know NES is full of shovelware, I think PS1 is even worse.
If you add into account that PS1 games have loading times and shitty FMVs, it makes having to put up with shovelware during 5th gen even worse.

>>4505398
Most licensed games in particular range from mediocre to dogshit unless they were made by Capcom, Konami or Sunsoft.

>>4505415
>not Irem, Hudson, Data East, Tecmo, Namco

>>4505417
I said most. And those didn't make as many licensed ones, didn't they?

>>4505091

>>4505391
Damn, what a great post.

This thread makes me feel like I took a wrong turn and stumbled into /v/.

>>4505624
/vr/'s been slow /v/ for a while now, lad.

>>4505731
This thread is literally mostly non-retro though, people are talking about 7th gen figure numbers.

>>4505731
C'mon it's not THAT bad. It'll be a bit better after Christmas break is totally over on Monday. These past few days consolewar tards have raided the board but wait a bit.

>>4505373
Both Sega of Japan and USA made pants-on-head retarded decisions.
SoJ continuously wanted to torpedo the Genesis, leading to the 32X shitshow. They thought 3 hours of game time on 6 AA cells was a good play time for the Game Gear. They kept insisting on bringing out the 32X despite there not being any market for it because, hey, you've just decided to stop supporting the mother platform. They refused the hardware that would end up in the N64 becuse it wasn't Japanese. They refused the Matsushita M2 blueprints because they considered it too expensive (though admittedly this was before the last-minute Saturn redesign).
Sega of America refused to support the Saturn. They refused to bring over games from Japan if they personally disliked them (like, seriously nigger? Who gives a fuck about your tastes, let the market decide if they like it or not). Their continued stubbornness was what caused the Dreamcast to be released earlier than expected (ending as a sort of mid-generation console).

>>4505443
Horrible games that could function as textbook definition of style over substance. And you gotta play on a CRT tv to enjoy the style nowadays.