/vr/ - Retro Games

Albion
Lands of Lore
Might and Magic: World of Xeen

The original Wizardry, honestly. It's relatively uncomplicated, only using the most standard classes (Fighter, Thief, Priest, Mage and a couple not-available-at-first combination classes), only two schools of magic, and relatively few items, most of which have very straight forward names like Sword+1 and "Scroll of name-of-spell-it-casts". It's not super easy, but it's not overwhelming and eases you into stuff fairly well.

>>4472173
>Lands of Lore

Excellent suggestion for getting into wrpg's

>>4472163
>What is literally babies first western rpg that would prove a good entry point?
Diablo is as easy as it gets.

>>4472163
Bard's Tale III, Thief of Fate.

>>4472163
Have you tried Gateway to the Savage Frontier?

>>4472163
Ultima series. It'll make everything else seem like shit by comparison.

>>4472458
Ultima 1 and 2 are terrible games that weren't even good when they were new.

Play the NES ports of Ultima.

>>4472163
I wanna ask the same thing as this anon>>4472389

If you haven't tried the game in your pic then you should. It's a great intro to the old Gold Box D&D games. I played through it for the first time earlier this year, never touched an RPG that old, and I thought it was great. Started up Treasures right after and imported my party and I plan to play the Krynn games after I finish.

If not, I also agree that you should check out Lands of Lore. Its a really simple game in terms of RPG mechanics, to the point where its almost more of a first person adventure game.

>>4472513
That's bullshit.

>>4472663
DO NOT PLAY THE NES VERSION OF ULTIMA 5! IT SUCKS!

>>4472163
If you can't get into Fallout or BG2, there isn't any hope for you.

Elder Scrolls: Arena

If you've played any later TES, getting into this is only a minor adjustment. Unlike a lot of older cRPGs, you can't really fuck up permanently and have no immediate goals to follow, so you can take your damn time and get rich and powerful. I find it, along with Daggerdall, very much a comfort game, easy to get sucked into.

If you're looking for a more traditional experience, I think Might & Magic 3 is less tedious than any blobber of this era.
You should also try Dungeon Master, it's not an easy game but its interface is incredibly good in retrospect, and levels are distinctive enough that you can deal without mapping shit.

Most of these suggestions are terrible.

If you honestly couldn't enjoy Fallout or Baldur's Gate, then this might not be the genre for you.

I would recommend Ultima 1 or any of its good ripoffs, like Questron, and that's only if you can tolerate playing on old computers. These games typically didn't go heavy on the D&D arithmetic shit, with attacks often being as simple as pressing one button. It's almost like playing a western Zelda.

Don't recommend Wizardry to a beginner.

>>4473353
why not daggerfall instead? i like it better

I want to get into these old games because I love learning about the history of games, but I fear I'm both too casual and don't have enough time to get through the entirety of some of these games or series. The oldest CRPG I've beaten is The Elder Scrolls: Arena, and got about halfway through Betrayal at Krondor before putting it down for a bit after getting burned out.

What are the absolute essentials? Preferably in order. Say from 1980 to 2000.

>>4475858
earliest would be what OP posted which colminate in the unlimited adventures which has hundreds of fan made campaigns. plenty of good RPGs before that but they were the casual games of the era.

>>4472163
Play Blood Omen: The Legacy of Kain. Not really an RPG but has quite a few RPG elements and it's actually non-horrible unlike WRPGs.

>>4475858

>>4472163
Well, maybe, I don't know? Tell us what you enjoy first? What put you off from Fallout and BG2? It's kinda hard to recommend things in darkness?

>>4472163
I understand that OP may not like the interface or AP system of Fallout or the huge variance in both games' fights.

>>4472173
Best suggestions so far, as they're forgiving and not overly complicated. I'll add Might and Magic III that could fit the bill, even if it's a bit tougher than Xeen, or Betrayal at Krondor if you like the Riftwar books.

>>4476753
I remember yelling at some dumb fucker for not including MoM in that image and him claiming it was too obscure to be included.

>>4476753

those gumby render covers are so unappealing

>>4472195
I think that the map rotating traps and teleports to lower floors as well as permadeath and the names of spells not being too obvious doesn't scream "accessible".

I'd second the suggestion to play any M&M game released after the 2nd one.

>>4477419
In Wizardry 1, spinners mostly exist as gimmicks on two specific floors, teleports to lower floors don't exist, and the game is meant to be played with the manual, which does explain the spells.

Why weren't there many RPGs set in ancient India or Arabia? Those are pretty mythical settings

>>4472163
>I can't into western role playing game games
Clearly that's not all you can't into

>>4477897
That's because most western RPGs were created by white people for white people who don't know anything about other cultures. Most don't even know their own culture that's why they simply copy Tolkien and D&D instead of using real historic european settings.

>>4478549
Nigger please

>>4478549
White Europeans don't need to boast about their culture, they already spread it to the rest of the world.

>>4478549
Lol, self-entitlement at is finest. Nobody has any obligation to make games dealing with specific cultures. But, even if there are video games created with a theme/setting in, for example, Africa, people would still complain about it being appropriation and racist.

>>4478549
7/10 b8

>>4478596
>white europeans
You know europeans would vomit at the idea of you suggesting that any of their cultures are similar enough to be lumped together as a monoethnic state, right?

>>4478549
>most western RPGs were created by idiot nerds copying every popular mainframe D&D mock-up for other idiot nerds who think that all fantasy is basically "tolkien, but..."
ftfy
Also, most European cultures aren't as engaging as "world war II, buy with fantasy characters" like LotR is. 80% of the time is "digging in the dirt to farm carrots while i wait for the next war so I can watch my lastest batch of sons die".

>>4479649
There's loads of good European settings

Viking mythology
Roman Empire
Medieval France
Pagan Britain
Medieval Britain
Prussian Empire
Grimm-mythos Germany
Renaissance Italy
Imperial Russia
Ottoman Eastern Europe

>>4478596
Any time I see something like that, I can't help but stop to think what it must be like going through life with that level of self-loathing and smug disconnect from your own race. It's gotta be exhausting to only be able to communicate via virtue signaling.

>>4472163
Just try baldur's gate 1. It makes much more sense as a starting point than 2. Years ago I tried starting with 2 as well based on idiots from /v/ and I absolutely hated it and didn't know what was happening because the d&d bullshit isn't exactly self-explanatory. Read up on d&d and tried BG1 a couple months later and it clicked. Tutu is necessary though.

>>4472163
I want to impregnate that sorceress.
>>4472173
LoL is pretty good. Maybe try Might and Magic seven?

>>4473092
Not bullshit, early Ultima was fucking garbage and 2 had a bug that made it unwinnable. The series didn't even have sprites without black squares around them until the sixth game.

>>4472163
Wasteland
Wizard's Crown
Ultima IV
Autoduel
Telengard

>>4481195
the early series was literally designed around a computer that wasn't good at sprites, dude

>>4481330
>"guys i can't into retro wrpg!"
>don't worry bro! here's a list of shitty games with shitty mechanics and ugly as hell graphic and sound you should absolutely try!

>>4481451
>ugly as hell graphic and sound y
You don't belong in here.

>>4481469
The're tons of better retro rpg

>>4481472
>savage can't even use basic English
Name them.

>>4481473
The Realms of Arkania trilogy
Ultima 7, Underworld 1 and 2, Martian dreams, Savage empire
Albion
Dark sun 1 and 2
Might and magic from 3 to 8
Ravenloft 1 and 2..
The list is long, yours is only ancient garbage!

>>4481483
>always samefag
I was just insulting you for being a savage. I'd put up LoL and Diablo for the casualfags.

>>4481485
>Diablo
>rpg

>>4481491
It is, faggot.

>>4481493
Yeah, like Street fighter 2

>>4481498

>>4481451
>be on /vr/
>find an Apple II CRPG too hard for you and too primitive-looking
You are a pussy, do you know that.

>>4480508
Agree. I would also add Spanish golden age

why would i play a game that doesn't have cute girls...?

>>4480615
maybe it's just people advancing from their primitive nativist state instead of rationalizing it with dumb contrarian buzzword shit like virtue signaling

>>4481195
>unwinnable
>i red teh intarwebz
I might give a shit about your opinion if you were even born when then things you talk about came out.

>>4481330
Questron

>>4472163
hard to recommend of simple stuff like Baldur's Gate won't do for you but I'd give you a few things
>Ultima 7
>Dungeon Hack
>Might and Magic 3
>Lands of Lore
>Wizardry 5 if you want to throw yourself in a fucking gauntlet and feel like looking at how the Japs got their inspiration from
>Diablo
>Eye of the Beholder

if you want to stretch that a bit about being /vr/ games
>Diablo II
>Deus Ex
>Icewind Dale
>Severance: Blades of Darkness

I would insist a bit on Fallout. It takes a bit of time but after you get used to all the system it's lots of fun. It was my first western RPG and opened a lot of doors for me.

>>4477151
But they included DCSS. Just change these two.

What's the DnD RPG you suggest for someone who has only heard of DnD a few years ago?

>>4485253
pool of radiance, temple of elemental evil

>>4481175
you mean you’d insert your floppy into her amiga drive slot?

>>4472163
>I have tired both the first Fallout and Baldur's Gate 2 but I could never get in to either
Well those pretty much are babby's first crpg so if you don't like those I doubt you'd like much else in the genre, maybe try Diablo games since they're action oriented or Planescape Torment maybe as the strange plot may draw you in and it isn't very combat focused early on.

>>4485253
Neverwinter nights. In this game you only control and level up 1 character instead of 6. Much easier to get used to, and the rules are closer to modern AnD.

>>4472163
>I have tired both the first Fallout and Baldur's Gate 2 but I could never get in to either
dont bother then

>>4480508
>literally make believe
>erp-bait
>already done to death in fantasy, enjoy farming your sheep
>hippies drowning in bogs ON PURPOSE
>already done to death in fantasy, enjoy farming your potatoes
>too advanced for good fantasy
>literally fairy tales
>no one counts Assassins Creed as real fantasy
>no one gives a shit about a bunch of delusional serbians cosplaying as Rome
>no one gives a shit about a bunch of delusional Arabs cosplaying as Byzantine

first time playing bg2, read some stuff about mechanics, I'm good to go, tried to read some more about the game but I'd rather learn by myself, anyway I'm starting chapter 2, I'm wondering which npc should I get to complete my mostly standard party of minsc, jaheira, aerie, yoshimo and myself, sorcerer. I know about the dwarf in the tavern and edwin but those are rather on the evil side I believe.
I will likely play trough at least a second time with those two I think.

>>4487594
You're doing it right. Don't spoil it for yourself and don't listen to faggots on here telling you who to get or what to do.