/vr/ - Retro Games

They're the definite RPG series.
From 4 onward you got a growing immersive world and plots that went beyond killing the evil wizard.
Grinding is hardly the main part after 3, you may need to invest some time to raise your level but you'll spend a lot more time conversing and exploring.

>>4463837
>huge, boring grindfests with no real payoff.
that's wrpgs in a nutshell tbqh

>>4464081
jrpgs are even worse

play no rpgs

>>4464086
nah

>>4463837
Malstrom released another article did he?
How long until the coincidental posts that repeat the thesis of the new article is but are of course ideas the poster has had 'for years' and 'just happen' to mention them on the same day an article goes up.

>>4464093
Probably until avgn makes a new video

>>4464081
This right here. Not to mention ugly aesthetics.
>>4464086
Disagree

>>4464095
What convoluted logic did he use to make Ultima IX a work of genius? I have already had one person try to tell me it was a hidden gem and underappreciated today but for reasons too stupid to even consider. They said it was because it was a proto-BotW on technology that couldn't handle it.

>>4464081
lol u think jrpgs are better?

>>4464106
Well yes
Dragon Quest 5 is Ultima 4, except actually good.

>>4464091
>>4464096
How are jRPGs not huge grindfests?

>>4464096
It's not really a matter of opinion

>>4464113
Most JRPGs can be finished without grinding.

>>4464427
and WRPGs can be beaten without combat you lose fag go home

>>4464105
Ultima 9 is underappreciated. Some people treat it like the worst thing ever when the main problem is the plot.
Without regard to performance the engine is impressive, the developers didn't really understand how to use it and needlessly restricted access to smaller areas instead of letting you roam free.

>>4464435
Could luck beating an Ultima game without combat.

>>4464435
>without combat
then they're literally visual novels since combat is the only form of gameplay in rpgs

>>4463837
>You read the History of Brittania
>No, really ! Read the History of Brittania !

>>4464427
>>4464435
How many have you played? 100 maybe 200?

>>4464442
Do you actually have to fight anybody in Ultima 8? I mainly remember running past encounters. Most NPC are killed in cut scenes.

I think we can all agree at least, that Ultima Online was the definitive MMORPG, right?

>>4464445
>then they're literally visual novels since combat is the only form of gameplay in rpgs

This is fucking hilarious dude. Why don't you tell us what the word 'gameplay' means, we could use another laugh.

>They always just seemed to me like huge, boring grindfests with no real payoff.

Literally every Elder Scrolls game.

>>4464516
Never played it. All I hear about it is that it's fun lies in getting OP and ganking people. No thanks. Imo that crown belongs to everquest.

>>4464948
>Why don't you tell us what the word 'gameplay' means
it doesn't mean picking dialogue options, that's for sure

>>4464516
It ruined all other video games for me, including single player.

I played my idea of perfection and now everything else pales in comparison.
I can't believe I played a game that ran at 20fps for a decade and never noticed it at all.

>>4463837
i hate that i can't enjoy the 4th one. grinding for virtues is stupid.

JRPGs on consoles at least spared the user the horror of swapping 50 floppy disks.

>>4465230
thankfully you didn't need to swap shit on most of the IBM versions

>>4463837
>grindfests

Which games did you play? That's barely a thing in Ultima, especially in the later games.

Play the games listed below. If these don't change your mind then Ultima might just not be for you.

Ultima 6 (with Nuvie source port)
The Complete Ultima 7 (with Exult source port)
Ultima Underworld
Ultima Underworld 2

>>4464105
It's more like a proto-Gothic on technology that couldn't handle it, plus game breaking bugs and horrible writing.

>>4464086
JRPGs actually made it possible for people other than masochistic extreme neckbeards to play the things.

>>4465489
The Gothic games weren't exactly bug-free either.

>>4465579
True, but the bugs in the Gothic games combined don't even reach the sheer magnitude and number of those in Ultima IX.

The series is responsible for creating, defining, and expanding the computer RPG. If you didn't play them when they were new, it's difficult to play them now. All you really need to know is that from 1-7, they were literally the most advanced computer RPGs from a technical and story standpoint at their times of release.

>>4465579
Not even remotely close to the same degree though.

>>4463837
>>4463857
>>4464081
>>4464086


>They're the definite RPG series.

It's the grandfather of all RPGs. Without Ultimas, you won't have any dragon quests or final fantasias. You won't have Everquest either.

>>4466627
you'd probably have dragon quest but it would be a first person dungeon crawler since they pretty much wanted to make wizardry for consoles

>>4466635
DQ1 is hardly anything like Wizardry even without considering the dungeons and fairly similar to the early Ultima games.
Black Onyx or Megami Tensei would be better candidates.

>>4463837
You had to be there I guess.
They were hugely influential. Ultima III (and Wizardry I) inspired the entire family tree of japanese RPGs.

>>4466627
Everquest's lineage came from DikuMUD and Meridian76.

I wonder what would jRPGs look like if they were inspired by Lucasfilm Habitat instead.