/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4447921
The CD looks totally like a CD1200

While I love the anime cheese of the cutscenes and redbook audio, and while there are doubtless hard hitters (Falcom, Riot/Renovation*, NEC Avenue, Konami), I think there is usually a bit more variety on the HuCard format.

I go back and forth. I sometimes feel like there was more interest and development by major studios during the HuCard phase - though it should be noted that Hudson had always planned a CD addon from day 1; they just needed that install base first to raise the money.

But anyhow during that period you had Taito, Namco, IREM, and other devs making a lot of standout games and ports. AND you had a lot of smaller studios making interesting one-offs like Ankoku Densetsu, Moto Roader or Gomola Speed, many of which do not have analogues on the CD unit.

Though its worth saying just how many amazing things were done thanks to that CD unit. Some of those rpgs are simply incredible: M&M3, Anearth Fantasy Stories, Emerald Dragon, Xanadu II - they really make you feel the CD Rom was being put to heavy use in the right ways. To say nothing of Gradius II, or Image Fight II.

*I only say this half-jokingly. The epitome of 5/10 developers!

>>4447921
Why necbeards?, shouldn't you add something from hudson?
Why not NECbeerds

>>4447921
sheedeee

CD all the way. Love my weeb cutscenes.

gate of thunder
ys
dragon slayer
etc... CD

>>4448226
looks like "beer"

CD definitely. More graphics, more text, speech.

>>4447921
The PC Engine isn't the PC Engine without both formats. Good thing we can have both!

>>4447921
HuCard

CD had the higher highs but folks tend to name the same 5 good games over and over. Everyone will say "Rondo, Ys, Thunder shooters" and thats it. A lot of the RPGs are also not translated

My favorite games for it are Vasteel and Cosmic Fantasy II.

>>4447921
gradius on a credit card is pretty cool

>>4449503
I really like that a lot of CD games were just the same as any other version but with redbook audio, gave it an interesting idea of how they want the music to sound

>>4449503
>A lot of the RPGs are also not translated
That's only an issue if you can't read.

>>4447986
You can see the guy that did that MM3 illustration was a fan of Elmore (or at least referenced how to illustrate a western game)

what am I not understanding about supergrafx specs? This looks like it would be even better than the super nintendo.

>>4447921
both have quality titles for them like the Hu cards have Air Zonk, Salamander, Gradius, Devil Crush, and Solider Blade to say the least.

While the CD based has Rondo, Star Parodier, Fatal Fury Special, Ys, Double Dragon II, and Dragon Slayer.

Basically what >>4449197 said

>>4450557
That's 9-bit total, so 3 colors per plane. SNES is 15-bit total so 5-bits per plane.

2^9 = 512
2^15 = 32768

The other stuff doesn't really matter, just different ways of arranging colors.

>>4450557

Those are regular pce specs, not supergrafx. The supergrafx had over 4000 colors.

PCE colors were limited. While color vibrancy was greater than snes, with a limited palette there weren't many colors to choose from. Some pce games have flat colors. Just look at Momotarou Katsugeki
Rumor was that Namco, the first 3rd party on the pce, was courting NEC to make a strong pc engine successor, due to the success of their games. In a panic, Hudson created the supergrafx.

one of the reasons supergrafx games looked better to begin with is because they were on 8 Mb hucards. At the time, these 8 mb hucards were also $100 a piece.

The supergrafx flopped because developers had no interest, and consumers didn't want to upgrade. The library was absolutely pathetic. In a span of 2.5 years only 5 games were developed. Two of them, Battle Ace and Granzort, are hot garbage. Ghouls n Ghosts is a nice port but limits continues to 3 and the sound is poor.

PC Engine hucards were as small as nes games, usually in the 2-4 range. There are only a mere handful that go above that number. It's incredible what some of the 4 meg games manage to accomplish, just look at Samurai Ghost or Parasol Stars (a mere 3 megs)

Games like Darius plus, Bomberman 94 and Street Fighter II show a huge graphical increase

Many later snes and genesis carts were at least 12 megs or higher

>>4450843
Super Grafx games are 1MB at most. Battle Ace and Granzort are 512kB.
Most PCE HuCards are 256kB or 512kB.

I definitely have more hucards than CD games. CD games targeted a very specific audience that wanted primarily voiced/animated cutscenes and I guess the recorded soundtracks. Personally I'm far more interested in gameplay than story and I actually prefer the 8-bit sound the PCE pumps out over the real digital audio. But I agree with >>4449197 that it's all one great library. On their own they're both good but put them together and you have a game catalogue that's easily one of the best of the era.

>>4450857
You're using bytes, >>4450843 is using bits

>>4447921
I don't think there was a (Super/Arcade) CD-ROM2 system that was standalone. Most of the NEC systems had to have the card slot, so you don't need to choose one or the other, when the TurboChip/HuCard readers are part of the main system in order for the CD games to run. That said, I have more CD-ROM games than TurboChip games, because the card slot is not region free whereas the CD-ROM games can be played from US or Japan releases. I like them both, but I really wish to get some more TurboChip games, but they are no longer affordable.

I know there's a patched version of the Super System Card for TED but is there also one of the normal CD card?

>>4452907
There is no need because version 3 super system card covers all previous versions

>>4452805
I know I've said this to you before but you have a duo which means you have the controller and composite cable for a coregrafx. As long as you have a genesis model 1 PSU (which can be found for under ten bucks) then you can just import a coregrafx and get all the hucard games you want. They're much more affordable then turbochips but probably won't be for too much longer.

>>4447921
What if I play hucard games off a CD?

>>4453004
You did. Currently the least expensive CoreGrafx I see is on eBay for $92. I am not in position to pay that much at this time. I am hoping Japanon shows up again and finds a good inexpensive one available some time in the future. I also don't know if I can afford the PCE Hu-Cards either at this time, especially starting now.

I am currently trying to save up to get a BVM and its associated parts along with freight shipping for the beast. That is my priority, aside from maintaining living paycheck to paycheck.

>>4452915
I know, but I don't have a normal CD card and I just want to use it to see the easter eggs on games that need Super System cards or Arcade Cards

>>4453186
Get a gnarly looking, original model PCE for $30 and call it a day. You can run it RF or get one of those Composite/RGB adapters from hong kong on eBay, they're brand new and work great. Pic related is RGB from a yellow 'untested' PCE I got on eBay with an aforementioned RGB adapter.

>>4450056
Looks like a Naruto RPG based off the names

>>4453298
This is honestly the best way to go. Especially now with the SD System 3 making every other accessory obsolete.

https://www.neosdstore.com/shop/index.php?id_product=12&controller=product&id_lang=1

HuCard: Gameplay
CD: Cinematic experience

>>4453410
this

some of the later CD games focused more on "cutscenes and presentation" than good gameplay and non-flat level design.

The Valis games are garbage. Shubibinman 3 had potential but feels like a Beta. Kaze Kiri has great mechanics but it awfully repetitive

HuCard is by far the way to go

>>4453297
http://www.vgmuseum.com/features/warn2/

this site has a lot of the warning screens, including gifs

>>4453384
Yeah, I'm definitely going to have to pick one up eventually. There's not enough CD-ROM games I'm interested in to jump on it right now though.

>>4453186
I have been asking him about cheap coregrafx too
He told me some days ago that the cheapest they go for is 8000 yens, and there is only one with a box for 13000 in the stores near him
I actually found one in my country for 120 dollars with 3 games(shitty ones) and the memory bank that goes behind the console

I like that i can play both, but hucard gives a more varied experience in my eyes.

>>4454042
So, that pic came out looking nasty. Its actually white still.

>>4453508
I know, I just want too see them on my own screen.

>>4454262
>>4453508
those are funny

>>4454265

>>4454268

>>4453186
dude you have like thousands of dollars of shit lying around that you post endlessly give me a break

>>4453384
I purchased a Turbo Everdrive a few months ago to get started on PCE, which led to ordering an IFU and non-working CD drive that I fixed up to work. I don't regret any of my time doing this as it gave me a great appreciation for the games and hardware.

That being said, had I known this was going to be a thing, I would have held off completely, saved my money, and waited for it to release. Holy shit does that look good

>>4454465
I did the exact same thing, but I haven't had my CD-ROM unit repaired yet. Might just sell my IFU and busted drive, since they're stupid expensive and I got a really good deal to begin with.

I am surprised so many on this thread likes the HuCards so much, since most of my memories were with the CD-ROM games. They left a better impression on me in their day.


>>4453298
I can't even find those for $30, but I do see one for $50 which I am considering now but I probably won't until I re-recap the NEC systems I do have. I don't want to chance those broken for parts not working, because that will add to my already growing repair bill for PC-Engine hardware, if I can even find someone capable and willing to do the repair work.


>>4453384
That is really cool, but $280USD! Would love to use that but wages here just have not kept up.


>>4453638
Yeah, adding the shipping and gratuity/commission for Japanon would make the cost a bit high for my blood. I hope you also have some games or an Everdrive to enjoy non-shitty games on a Coregrafx because there is a lot to like for the system.


>>4454439
They are worth that and more only to me. I like the games and they hold a high sentimental value especially with the fond memories, but one day I may have to part with the games I like playing due to all the financial pressures. When that day comes, they won't even fetch even close to that amount. Most around me can't even read Japanese, so the $1-2 a game at best Gamestop or local pawn shop would give would only be able to sustain me for maybe a couple weeks. While they are just material goods, they have been very good to me.

>>4455117
how about you stop being an attentionwhoring jew

I'm joining the cult. Found a $30 White Core on eBay from Japan and went for it along with a Core II controller for $20. Ordered the RGB enhancement chip from HK for $23. Need to go ahead and order the Turboeverdrive, which is of course the most expensive component.

Been watching this demo series of HuCard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddzPcRnYW2A

I'm excited to play this for a good long while. I see the new all-in-one for playing CD images. Ill upgrade to that when I've had my fill of HuCards.

Want to hook up to the 5 player Bomberman 94. A good dream to have before I move on to the Saturn and 10-player.

>>4456037
>those prices
wew lad. You joined the wrong cult. Should have joined the cult of players not overpayers.

>>4456037
>i'm joining the cult

please don't be like the faggots on pcefx or facebook who keep calling it "obey"

>>4457646
>redit spacing
>uses facebook
Kill yourself

>>4447921
>HuCard or CD-ROM2
Is it even a discussion? The PC Engine was made for CD, literally.

>>4458349
no, CD ad on came at the end of the next year it was released

Anyone have those pictures from a magazine comparing NEC fans, Sega fans, and Nintendo fans?

>>4458373

>>4458373
and other, I don't know if there's real scans of these floating around or not.

>>4458364
>teh tism

>>4447986
that cover art is like the sexy daughter of a white and Asian couple

>>4459150
And it's beautiful.

>>4458364
The PC Engine was made to play CD games in mind. The CD drive was simply sold as an add-on later on because it was cheaper at the time to sell it separately, but HuCards came in jewel cases.

>>4459150
So, Anri Okita?