/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4361895
Threed because I like spooks. Moonside is also great.

>>4361895
First sanctuary spot was pretty chill.

>>4361895
Fourside for sure, the music is top notch. my favorite part is the end, when you go through all the places you have visited, or the Gygas battle which reminds me of my own childhood trauma

>>4361918
>Gygas battle which reminds me of my own childhood trauma

Giygas fight was arguably the most powerful part of the game.

>>4361895
Moonside or Summers

>>4361925
definitely brought me to tears.
the lines "it hurts" and "this isn't right" resonate with me most being molested it sounds like something I thought
that was by design, those lines are common among people, who have experienced trauma

>>4361925
> Giygas fight was arguably the most powerful part of the game.
as it should be, considering its the final boss. M3 was really lacking in the villain and character division compared to the other two

>>4361942
That ending of the final fight in M3 though. No one I know wasn't destroyed by it.

Clause uses PK Thunder, but the Franklin badge...

Mother 3 definitely vastly improved on inventory management.

The patrician answer.

>>4361950
eh, i didnt really feel for it.
i think these people explained it better in the last thread
>>4328171
>>4352951
>>4353010
>>4353034
>>4353108

also, just read through that thread, it had a lot of things about M1 and 2 vs 3 in it. it was pretty good

>>4361950
giygas made me feel worse. claus was just kind of reprogrammed off the bat and it relied more on "its your brother" than actually fleshing him out like giygas and pokey. whereas giygas got screwed, shat on and fucked over to the point where he wasnt even himself anymore all he wanted was his mother back

>>4361971
youre not obnoxious dude. thats a good game and its genuinely fun to discuss, just like the other games. its great to know that there are fans out there that can make stuff with as much love, care and charm in it just as much as Itoi himself can.

best girl coming through

>>4362084
Only girl really unless we go into npcs.

>>4362084
only if she's with best boy

>>4362094
>those knees and elbows
What a vomit-inducing art style.

>>4362104
well here's a better one

>>4361895

The sequence where you first start playing as Jeff, through from his Boarding school in Winters to when he rescues Ness and Paula. It was great because it felt so different, what he brought to the table and his background.

And of course the leadup to Giegue. I wish we could have saved him.

>>4361939

Those lines just make it hurt worse, especially taking M1 and CogDis into account ;_;

>>4361950

I wasn't 'destroyed', but certainly chilled. Clever. The more I think about how Claus died, the more I wonder/write fanfic ideas about how Giegue might have behaved if he returned to his senses at the end of M2. If only briefly (if he even could by that point).

>>4361997

Thanks anon, I'm just wary of being overbearing and accidentally dismissing all other discussion.
I'm gonna look for your fanart tonight I think.

The coffee break hit me really hard in the feels and I have no idea why.

>>4362825

It did me good as well. I think it's like an assurance that you're doing well, to not give up. But, the thing that bothers me most; who's speaking? Is it Ness? Ness's father? Just some nameless narrator?

Giegue?

Suddenly the board is in Halloween style, awesome.

>>4362860
Nameless servant of the Goddess was how I pictured it.

It's all text, so were it the Goddess herself, I'd believe it.

>>4362868

I keep forgetting about the Goddess, sorry anon.

Well, the dialogue seems so different to anybody else you encounter, and the moment is 'special', "outside", and though I wish it were Giegue, I think you're probably on the right track.

>>4362872
>>4362868
I always assumed it was Itoi.

>>4362872
I don't think it was Giegue/Giygas. I don't think he ever directly communicates with the protags until the fateful battle, at which point you see the extent of his mind's scrambility

I think he speaks directly to his minions and such, and perhaps Porky, but I feel as though he communicates by proxies and corruption etc. more than anything else. One could wonder if at some point he talked entirely through that odd organic screen on the devil machine; just using images and leaving his minions to interpret it.

>>4362876

Well yeah I guess.

>>4362880

Yeah. I know you're right but in my heart I'm lying to myself ;_;

I think that once he began to properly lose himself trying desperately to shake off the love he had and received from his human family, that he had to use the Devil's machine to maintain some semblance of coherent discourse with his minions, or through proxies like you say. I do like your theory that maybe he could no longer even speak properly, and so had to communicate more 'abstractly' through imagery and suggestion, thought manipulation. Perhaps that is why Porky took to it so thoroughly, and even surpassed it; he was already thinking along these lines, and eventually even manipulated poor Giegue.

>>4362897
No like, it's Itoi, the developer talking to you, the player. It's that kind of game after all.

>>4362927
I often think the game would be better without that fourth wall breaking stuff (save for maybe entering your name for the credits, and the picture man). On top of that, maybe ditching the "name your character" stuff too. Everyone will use the canon names anyhow.

E.g. if you name Ness after yourself and then enter your name when prompted, it gets confusing.

>>4362825
is it because your mom and dad literally never said any of those things nor was every really emotionally available or cognizant enough to even be capable of it instead of just chainsmoking and throwing beer cans at your head when you can't sleep at night and slowly creep into their room hoping they won't be an asshole tonight

>>4362927

I know what you meant anon. I mean, I just don't particularly like that sort of fourth-wall breaking. Entering your own name is alright, and talking about 'someone watching overhead' is okay too. But having a developer mouthpiece just feels wrong. To me, anyway. I get that it's probably what it is, but anyway.

>>4362937

Googie.

>>4363453
F

>>4362927

This is how I always saw the coffee breaks. A chance to really break the 4th wall and have the game developers speak directly to the player, not the character. It really through me for a loop the first time but I really enjoyed it, its little things like that which made Earthbound so endearing.

>>4362927
No, i just thought that was like ness's subconscious. Either that or mary

>>4363471
My problem with this is that there's no indication that Ness is in any way related to Maria.

Only a max of 20 years (198X and 199X) could have passed. I believe the X was defined in Mother 1 original release, but then retconned to just "X". It could have been something as simple as 5-10 years, which would make Ninten too young to really be Ness's dad.

The biggest reason why Ness isn't related to Ninten is that his Mother and Father express surprise during the flashback to Ness as a baby telekineting a baby bottle.

So I'm assuming that Ness would be related via parenthood, but maybe there was a cousin of Ninten of something (unlikely). In that case, the family would surely know of their heroic Ninten and the research of his grandfather. In which case, Ness showing skill at psychic powers wouldn't be a surprise.

Were it Itoi that'd be dumb for more, as I'm more in line with
>>4362945

It really took me out of the immersion, and was arguably something that could ruin the emotions of the Giygas fight

>>4362945
>>4362927
i dont think that is what it was. i think it was just some kind of omnipotent force watching over you. Itoi only really talks to you two times in the game and thats through the dog in the onett shop

>>4363789
>>4363804
i think what >>4363471 says kind of makes sense. mary is closely related to giygas, so it would make sense that she would be watching over him, so perhaps at some point she realizes giygas was too far gone and needed to be put out of his misery for the good of the world, so she decided to watch over ness instead.

>>4362945
>>4363789
The thing though is it is a reminder that this is a fictional story.

I won't go too into as M3 isn't retro but M3's entire message is about loss and acceptance. Players will ultimately finish the game and need to move on, do things with their lives. It tells you that the game, and I suppose video games or media in general, will still be there fir us when we need it, but it says we have to accept our lives for what they are and live them regardless of the circumstances.

Earthbound is kind of like that too. In this weird moment of the absurd and surreal we are reminded that it is you, the player, that brought the heroes there. This experience has been yours just as much as it has been the heroes. We win simply because we are the player and we want to, we have the will to win against Giygas and you having made it to this point shows it.

Sorry for the babble, I don't mean to sound pretentious and hope I don't. Just some feelings I get from the endings

here is a list of songs, because the music is the thing that sticks with me the most. I always come back too it, guess it is just autism, maybe because it reminds me of the times when I was actually happy. Ignorant, but I felt like I had true freedom. Now I know myself, and hate it
>Your Name, Please
https://youtu.be/saVZRj1qiKw
>Twoson
https://youtu.be/XHxPpm00OqM
>Happy Happy is Blue
https://youtu.be/EHOWBIQ7s-k
>You've Come Far Ness
https://youtu.be/23qEArWaLjs
>Tessie
https://youtu.be/FPXnXlVs2OE
>Andonut's Lab
https://youtu.be/GxIGpWlo8Fk
>Fourside
https://youtu.be/zoWNTcP1uqM
>Paradise Line
https://youtu.be/i3z9v3FFc9c
>Fallin' Love
https://youtu.be/nJ7glYr_Al8
>Good Friends, Bad Friends
https://youtu.be/-QcnI9EXUlI
I hope I avoided the obvious choices.
looong post is looong

>>4363046
that is the joke yes

>>4364023
Used to have Paula's Theme as my ringtone back in the day. The good old days

>>4363959
yeah, thats kind of how i see it. M1 and M2 were really more of an experience for me

Frisk enduring Asriel's final attack in the pacifist run genuinely makes me tear up every time.

The part where I didn't play it because it's shit.

>>4363959

I honestly hate it when this sort of thing is done in storytelling, not just in games; it's cheap and cynical, even if it's not meant to be, and if you take it on board it reduces the whole story. To me, anyway. I don't think that M3's message was about letting go, but more that 'it is the way it is', and that your part is now over. And, at risk of sounding in-denial, what if, given your second point, the whole thing is meant to be portrayed differently/even further?

Given how YOU have pretty much the ultimate role in putting Giegue to rest, perhaps the whole thing -from the references to you brought up by NPCs, to how the coffee break 'drafts' you in-, is meant more provoke the thought that you're as much a hero as they are. In fact, as you say, the only reason the heroes are successful at all is because of your guidance and power; you've grown alongside them. I don't think the whole thing is a message about how you have to 'let go', but more to hint that even as strong as Ness & co. are, they'll need outside help. Whether that's from Goddesses, the Earth or you. To a kid playing the game, that feels amazing.

Honestly, I think that if it's meant as a cynical jab to remind people that it's not real (which is entirely unnecessary), then it kinda reduces the impact of things like the ending. I mean, yeah, sure that even though it means despite that Ness will never be a strong as your will, you were still in it together, and you needed them. It doesn't say that it's all meaningless.

You're not being pretentious or babbling, I just disagree that the whole thing would be cheapened (more than it already is if you think along those lines) by the 'involvement' of the player.

Not sure I made ANY sense at all, or even argued coherently, fuck

>>4363959
No that makes sense. I guess it's hard to accept that though. It seemed like a blight, subjectively, but I get it. He always wanted to send a player the message, I'd suppose, but less so in Mother 1 unless memory fails me.

>>4364023
These are all good songs. The Sea of Eden and Deeper into Magicant also gets me. Lots of emotions behind the calming pulses.

>>4364159
Memes aside, one advantage Undertale had over M2/M3 is that breaking the fourth wall came more naturally, and was even a big plot element at times.

>>4364267
You made sense and I can agree. Like I said, I think it diminishes the impact, although subjectively that may or may not be shared among all players.

I think ultimately it's not needed. There are other messages of each Mother game that are all more powerful than their respective "And Thank You, the Player!". Even if you enjoy, you could admit that, even for M3 to an extent, it's not needed and without it, the games don't suffer that much. I think for M3 the post dragon ending text could stay wihtout being that weird.

A big part of Mother 1/2 was that sometimes, despite your power, there is always something insurmountable without help. Mother 2 in particular. In the Giygas fight without the prayers of the humans across the globe, Giygas would never be beaten. And without the divine intervention of the goddess, the consciousnesses of Ness et al. would be trapped in a primordial cave until whatever was keeping them alive burned out..

Mother 3 was really the only one to have approachable final bosses, although the ultimate chimera continues the motif of occasional powerlessness.

>>4364617
One of the more accurate portrayals of Giygas's form.

>>4364759

Indeed, in the end it's all subjective. Perhaps I have an overly saccharine outlook on it all; I wanted Giegue to be saved. I wanted your involvement to mean there are higher powers at work in this world, and without just saying 'it's not real' (even though it isn't, yes it's a work of fiction, but for me having that brought up in storytelling is extremely jarring).

When you say it's 'not needed', do you mean the involvement of the player? I'm a bit confused here. If so, I share your opinion in that respect; it was only really something that enhanced M2, how even with everyone in that world working together, they needed the one more thing to make it work. That was sweet, but otherwise, especially in M3, it just renders it down a notch. To me, anyway.

This is exactly what I'm saying. That even though Ness is 'Earthbound', and Paula has the power of her prayer, Giegue is still too powerful. Even with everyone around that world, still he's too powerful. When you join in, someone who's been journeying alongside from the beginning, then it works. In M1, Giegue is unbeatable as well, but clearly holds back (IMO because he wants to spare you and bring you with him, nephew and all). The only thing that can 'beat him' (make him withdraw) is something bloodless and emotive; his mother's love.

I think that the entirety of M1 (which is brilliant, along with CogDis), and of course things like the Goddess's intervention and the prayers go to show that even though you can fight and grind up power, things like love and friendship, your will and such prove greater. This is also in M3 I think.

As for that picture, I have a wide variety of Giegue pictures (if you hadn't figured out by now!), but that is one of my favourites because of how close it is to the original sprite. Actually (can't remember if it was you said it last thread), the less-than-rigid limbs look rather Starmen; a hint maybe?

>>4364893
To elaborate on M2 ending, I don't think the player needed to pray. I get why it was there, and it's neat the first time. But it's not the worst thing in the world, and it's a play on how you, personally, care about the chosen four, but if it was gone it wouldn't ruin much I don't think.

For Giegue, Both the chosen three and the chosen four were strong enough to survive combat with him for a bit, though. Although always defeat is inevitable. Eventually you will tire and die. I think Giegue maybe held back a bit, but I'm not sure if he was holding back against Loid and Ana though.

That's an interesting point with the starmen. I still think they are something different though, unless GIegue was a natural prodigy. In terms of hierarchy, it seems the Starmen are up there at the top.

My metric as to whether an enemy of Giygas's forces was an Alien or a robot had to with whether they knew PSI, but that being said, I think there were robots in M1 that knew PSI (and probably some in M2) so I'm not sure. I think Starmen made click whirr noises in M2, but it was one in particular, who on examination reveals he was a one-off prototype, so he might have just been really augmented..

One theory someone had was that starman couldn't move their limbs, hence why their arms were always at their side, and they teleported everywhere. But, I don't think that's the case, in Mother 1 I think one of them hops into the capsule at the zoo.

Floating capsules ala Mother 1 were supposed to be an overhead enemy icon in Mother 2, but that was stopped for some reason. I think they were gonna be in the Cave of the Past as a homage like the metal diamonds were in M3 but they ditched it for the monotonous grey shapes (a style choice).

You can notice that the geography (the top layer) of the Cave of the Past looks much like the maze part of Mt. Itoi, the sort of frayed ends on the path.

>>4364943

Ah. It is neat for M2, and it 'works' with how they put it in. But, thinking about it, it does feel rather shoehorned. They could have easily just had the whole world praying as one again and again in unison to enhance the 'earthbound' thing, which would have probably worked better. But anyway.

With Giegue, I'm not saying they weren't strong enough to survive, on the contrary. Their journey is enough to prepare them, but they cannot actually do the deed; they either get worn down, or it's a stalemate. You're right about Lloyd and Anna though; if Giegue wants to spare and 'rescue' anyone, it'd only be Ninten given their relationship. It'd have been interesting to have a Masked Man sort of dynamic for the battle, and for him to only reluctantly attack Ninten when it becomes clear he's refusing.

Honestly, -considering CogDis-, I do not think that Giegue is of the same race as the Starmen, but it is an interesting thought. More than likely, it's just the artstyle, or that the Starmen aren't the only ones to have 'limbs' like that. They are definitely higher up on the hierarchy though.

I think that PSI, given that there are robots in M1 and 2 with it, is something that can be 'augmented' and manufactured, as well as 'learned'. Or, it could be that races unable to learn PSI naturally can have it 'built-in', hence the Starmen.

I don't think the Starmen are frozen/rigid or whatever, but they definitely prefer to teleport. Perhaps they just move slowly, and that posture seems 'intimidating'; given that and the fact they teleport, they don't need to move much. As you say though, they can still jump and walk.

That's really interesting, about the floating capsules. At least they used them in CogDis. I think however, the grey shapes work well with the atmosphere and the 'scenery', so I'm not too upset by this.

Good catch! It's a nice touch certainly.

>>4361895
moonside

>>4364990
i always thought the starmen were just robots with PSI

>>4364990
eh, i thought it was kind of cool. it showed that you too had an influence over the characters and showed that youre as much of a part in their world as you are in theirs. i guess it doesnt really matter much though, considering it was like, a few lines of dialogue

Just the general setting. It's like japanese nostalgia for a US location that never existed. Everything is off just a bit but in a charming way.

I'm not an RPG fan, but I love the game. You can tell it was a labor of love for the programmers.

Also it doesn't follow the ye olde d&d settings.

>>4365608

Hey, I did like it too. I just don't like the whole notion that "lol, it's not real get over it, this story is pointless and you need to move on." It feels cheap in an otherwise very smooth story. Not sure if it makes me sound dumb, but that sort of fourth-wall communication is really jarring and out of place in this sort of story. If that makes any sense.

>>4365817
I dont think thats what they meant, i think they just wanted to recognize that you played a big of a part in this too, that its your victory too. I guess its just one of those moments where it comes down to what you like out of a story, its subjective.
>>4362105
Man, i really hope they got together. They felt perfect for eachother and the part where ness walks her home was a really sweet moment.

Whats your favorite starman type?

>>4366305
Starman DX was cool

>>4366302

I know, I just don't like how that is then applied to the whole 'move on' thing. You having an in-universe role is good, having it break the fourth wall to tell you a message that you need to move on from this game is not, if that makes sense. In the end though, you are absolutely right about the subjectivity; some people think that M3 is an absolute masterpiece, whereas I personally find it's (though it is still excellent) far-inferior to M1 and 2.

>>4367089
Ay thats alright. Im more of a 2 guy myself. One thing i like about the mother community is that, dispite having different opinions and views on the games, people can still remain civilised and discuss and show their love for the series.

>>4366302
they probably did

besides the Beatles what other influences did Itoi pull from to make the music

>>4367736
pink floyd in some parts

>>4367089
theres a lot of things i dont like about M3
its kind of detached from M2, but at the same time it relies too much on M2. if that makes sense.

So why was Ness naked and only wearing his hat in Magicant in the Japanese version of Mother 2?

Ness must be one strong motherfucker if he can kill fucking Krakens wearing only his hat.

>>4368223
it gets even weirder when you realize he just kind of goes up to his mom and his sister wearing nothing at all

>>4368228
>being naked near your direct family members as a kid is weird
It's weirder when he talks to people like Pokey when he's naked. However it always struck me as sad that Ness still thought of Pokey as a friend, or someone that just wanted to be his friend.

>>4368231
yeah, but, just kind of walking up to his sister when shes at like crotch height? thats kind of odd

>>4368238
I thought they were around the same height? Tracy couldn't be much younger than Ness if she got a part-time job.

>>4368243
i guess. god, im getting /gfg/ flashbacks

>>4368223
Nudity in Buddhism symbolizes cleaning or purity. I forget what it was exactly

>>4368249
My bad, I looked it up and it is change and exclusive to Japanese culture

>>4368252
Guess that makes sense considering what happens in Magicant. I always just thought it meant he only really cares about his hat.

>>4368256
>you can take my dignity, but not my hat

>>4368252
Nudity representing innocence is a widespread thing.

>>4368301
It represents change, but it could be innocence as well

>>4368238
Remember Japan is a culture where bathing with your family is pretty common.

>>4368379
Pretty sure that's common in most cultures.

The part when you go to the juke box in fourside

Also the part where you help out The Runaway Five

>>4366302
I like how on the walk home the grateful dead valley just has the sound of running water. No music.

>>4366305
The oft-forgotten blue starman.

>>4366305

Ghost of Starman because they're fun to fight. Also if you've played CogDis you'll know the other reason.

>>4367135

Yeah if you're the anon from the other thread you know how I am for M1 and CogDis. On the whole, I've noticed that as well; actual fans do like all facets, and are relatively civil and positive. However, I've noticed that if you state that you like M1/2 more than 3 and give reasons why, you'll not gain much in the way of 'friendliness' in places like Starmen.net. We seem to be in the minority with regards to M3; I just don't think it was anywhere near M1 or 2, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a fantastic game and entry.

>>4368148

Likewise. It's from the little things like the more 'driven' story, to things like the 'message' of the themes. Not that they are without merit, and it's of good quality. it just didn't resonate with me like M1, 2 and CogDis did. It felt more like its own game despite having a lot of elements from the previous two entries, yes. It's complicated for sure.

not sure if I made any sense whatsoever, I need sleep

>>4369519
tell me about CogDis

>>4369573

Mother: Cognitive Dissonance. It's a fangame made in RPG maker. Before you think "lol it's another lame homestuck-esque shitshow", after playing through it at least ten times I can honestly say it's my favourite game. It serves as a sort of 'intermediary' between M1 and 2, and explores Giegue's (or Giygas) character extensively, along with the wider 'universe' out there. It showcases how Giegue reacts to his withdrawal following M1, and how he slowly turns into what you see in M2; throughout, you play as a group of four eventually five) different aliens in an adventure to initially try and track down the pieces of the Apple of Enlightenment.

Alongside Giegue, it explores his past, with special regards to Maria, George and his race. It also adds more characterisation to people like Porky (which is a bit of a spoiler), Buzz-Buzz (who is one of your party members), and the Starmen especially.

At risk of spoiling too much and babbling on-and-on, with a bit of extra legwork you can attain other endings (outside of the 'strictly canon' one, which do not affect M2/EB but can mean a better outcome for your party and in one ending, saving Giegue. If you want to know more, read the previous thread.

In the previous thread we talk (though it's mostly me babbling) extensively about it >>4328171 if you're interested.

we need moar art in this thread

what the fuck was his problem?

>>4370136

He needed help, and good friends. Also, parents that gave a fuck about him.

Unlike most other kids whose childhood's sucked however, Porky was pretty clever and/or had a mentally breaking-down Giegue to "help" him.

>>4369954

I have lots of Googie.

>>4370272
dump that shit my niqqua

>>4370268
>He needed help, and good friends.
but i thought ness was a good friend to pokey. is there something im missing?

>>4369519
Yeah I played cogdis.
Also helping out with the sequel

>>4370272
>you spin me right round baby right round

>>4370659
Leak something.

>>4370662
Have some mooks I guess.

>>4370675
damn, thats pretty detailed

>>4370680
The Project Lead/Sprite artist is fucking great.

>>4370701
i can tell. shit looks pretty good

>>4370659

A sequel to CogDis??

Holy fucking shit if you're legit you've just made my day and then some. I can't begin to tell you (although you can probably guess) how much I love CogDis, so this is like wow

>>4370675
>>4370701


Those look phenomenal. Are you on the team then? Please tell me this is legit, and don't compromise your position.

>>4370767
yeah its a real thing.

>>4370775

You can't begin to know how much I appreciate hearing this. Fantastic.

I won't ask when it's coming out (God knows pressure is a killer), but will it involve the old cast? (i.e. Alinivar, Niiue, etc) Or is that too much of a spoiler?

>>4370792
They are there but how and why I cant tell because spoliers.

>>4370809

Okay! Thanks for telling me this much. Is there a working title, or is it going to be simply 'CogDis 2'? Again, if that's too much then don't answer.

I'll just reiterate, you've made this anon very happy with this news. Is there a link to the project (like a starmen.net forum thing) or is it still under-wraps? Anyway. Thank you so much. Absolutely quality.

Larice is looking good there!

>>4370819
honestly i think it should stay under wraps, for fear of Nintendo fucking it over

>>4370831

Alright, that makes sense. I'll be looking forward to this eagerly, thanks again.

Personally, I don't think you have anything to fear, given CogDis has survived (thankfully). I think, given that it's been a while, and the first CogDis was always free (I don't think there's even a donation thing sadly, else I would have donated). But, caution is better with something like this. Good luck.

>>4370819
The project has been public for at least 5 years now. Its just that all the cogdis related stuff (ayylmao and shit) are the 2nd part of the game. And due to spoilers only the first part of the game has been posted (Think of it as Disk 1 and Disk 2 where Disk 1 is Earth and Disk 2 is aliens.)

>>4370848

Ah, that makes sense. And what you say here is interesting, given how CogDis goes; so, disks instead of the chapter format? Or is it simply that there are two distinct parts of the game? confusing myself now, I need sleep.

May I ask what the project is 'publicly' known as then, or would connecting the two here and now spoil everything?

Those screenshots look amazing, particularly with the game-over screen. Intriguing. I can't help but notice 'Regular Octopus "Earser"', instead of "eraser" though.

>>4370867
let me just tell you there are two very Distinct parts of the game.

https://forum.starmen.net/forum/Fan/Games/Mother-Porky-s-Galactic-Strike/page/1/
Here is a link to the starman thread. (contains alot of outdated info)

>>4370879

Very interesting. The synopsis/introduction on the page seems to diverge from what I'd come to expect of a CogDis sequel especially considering my hopes for the 'future' of the good endings in the 'first' CogDis. But, as you say it's outdated info. Despite the 'grammatical' issues of the topic author, this is a very interesting idea regardless, and with what you've revealed I'll definitely be watching this.

Thank you again. Given I'm writing a pretty extensive fan-novel post severance-ending, this has me very excited.

>>4370897
To tell you the truth most of the public stuff is just a front so that the big plot twist in the middle of the game seems even more unexpected.

But I have to stop posting because I allready said to much.

>>4370918

Okay, yes. Don't risk yourself or the story just because of this overeager fan. There's no chance in Hell I would miss this now.

Thanks once again for revealing as much as you did; I mean, sure CogDis is what really intrigues me given it's my favourite game, but from what you've told me it seems like this is a very thorough and engaging project overall, and I can't wait (though I will) to see more. Good luck, and thank you.

>>4362945
>mfw when one of playthroughs saw Adolf Hitler praying for the children...

>>4370841
Ninty is really fucking annoying with copyright bullshit

Is this game fun? should i buy it?

>>4372131
Its a great game, but actual copies are expensive as fuck. I reccomend either emulating it or buying it on tge nintendo e-shop

>>4372259
>>4372131
It emulates well. The e-shop version is also good. I would emulate it out of spite since Nintendo was so stingy with the Mother series in the past (and still is with Mother 3, though that has some more suggestive elements).

Mother 1 is not as "fun" but has a very good story. There are patches that cut down on the enemy encounter rate. I'd stay away from the 25th anniversary edition though, as it makes some controversial sprite/graphics changes.

Mother 3 is very good as well.

>>4366708
I dont know why, but i always headcannoned that the starman DX had a voice that sounded like frank horrigan

>>4370136
Autisim

>>4364617
He looks like a cat

>>4368641
F

>>4368684
did they fug?

compared to giygas, i felt that the masked man fell short. anyone else feel this way? it just feels much more important with giygas, like youre in way over your head, but you have to do it anyways, where as with the masked man, it just kind of felt a little bland.

anyone got some interesting head-cannons?

the part where you could take paula home and spend more time with her rather than taking her home. the first time i found out about that it made my day
>>4369353
that was cool too

>>4373473
>>4373479

I'm the one that in this and the past thread has gone on an on about CogDis and Giegue; I wish we could have saved him. If I had it my way (which, really, given the alternate timelines stuff in CogDis I honestly could), Giegue would have been saved but Ness and co. would also have saved the world. Not making sense I guess.

You'll already know that I agree with you about the Masked Man, though he was still brilliant and certainly was the culmination of M3. Giegue on the other hand is a level beyond, to me anyway. Especially with M1, and how you realise that even though his soldiers beforehand are nigh-unbeatable (and he IS unbeatable), he still tries to spare Ninten. He goes easy on you because you're the only family he has left. That's what I like to believe, and I think it's pretty realistic considering.

>>4373675
You gotta let him rest scoobs. He's had a hard life.

>>4373645
I never took her home because I thought it'd be rude and out of character for Ness

>>4373681
>I never took her home because I thought it'd be rude and out of character for Ness
Shit always took her home immediately*

>>4373681
how would it be out of charterer? they just wanted to spend more time together

>>4373479
after the defeat of giygas, the starmen didnt have anything to do, so they just started wandering the earth, always lumbering around and avoiding human contact like some kind of robot Sasquatches

>>4373479
lucas is ness's cousin

>>4373684
Past Twoson I guess. It felt weird taking her to meet your mom.

>>4373704
i think it was just him wanting to be with her some more

>>4373704
i always took her up to the meteorite

>>4372262
Its amazing to me that, dispite how much ninty screwd this series over, it still managed to be great. Itoi is one persistent guy.

>>4373681

I know shaggy but what if I could help make it better? Turn back the clock, begin again.

That's the severance ending of CogDis and it makes me so happy.

>>4374283
its time to let him rest, anon

>>4374560

But I can't rest.

>>4374568
eat some magic cake

>>4374589

Will that help me save him?

Can the cogdis anon please adopt a temporary trip so I don't have to scroll through walls of spoiler text in order to read the actual thread replies?

>>4374971

Hadn't thought it was bothering people. I'll stop talking about it unless people ask.

>>4374935
no, there is nothing you can do for him now

Daily Reminder that everybody who excuses shit like the 4-way movement and the default battle system in cogdis because "its engine limitations!" Is flat out wrong because Eagleland is a thing.

>>4361895
I'd have to say the part where the Runaway Five comes into save Ness and Jeff from the Clumsy Robot.
On a different topic, I have a full list of what the BGM does in the game's debug menu.

>>4375791
hey, nobody said it was perfect

>>4375803
That was pretty rad. It'd be better were it a harder fight though.

So was Dalaam a dying kingdom with those paltry 4/5 houses?

>>4361895
Moonside or Magicant since I love trippy shit.
RIP Everdred

>>4376097
maybe there was more on the ground?

jeffs intro was great

>>4361895
I have nothing to contribute to the thread, but I just wanted to get something earthbound related of my chest.

I never played the game until recently, because I avoid anything that popular as hard as I can. (Yes, I admit it)

Once I played it, I liked it at first, surprisingly. It has good atmosphere (for lack of a better term), and a lot of endearing elements and charm.
Except the battle system.

I'm sorry, but I fucking hate it. And I actually actively love turn based combat, so that's not it. Its just that the system as it is on earthbound takes me out of the mood the game puts me in. Or at least that's the only way I can explain it.

So now I don't play a game that I'm interested in because I hate the combat, and I wish I'd never broken down and tried it at all...

That's my whole thing. Carry on.

>>4376237
the battle system was admittedly where the game falls short. i love M2, but that was its weakest element. i didnt find a problem with it, but i can see how its not for everyone. i wish someone would do some kind of redo for it, just change the mechanics up a bit, or even just put M3s battle system in

>>4376237
do you hate the game as a whole or just the combat system?

>>4376258
Just the combat, but it's such a huge part of any RPG, that I can't bring myself to play it because of it.

It would be like falling in love with a woman only to discover that her vagina is filled with flesh eating worms. Sure, you wanna fuck her, but...

>>4376283
eh, thats alright. i didnt mind it, but i can see how people wouldnt like it. like i said, id like to see it redone somehow

>>4376118
Did Everdred actually die? I thought he just thought he would, but then got up and walked away.

>>4376329
yeah, he died. you see his grave in magicant and i think the mention it in burglin park

>>4376343
>>4376329
FFFFF
F
FFFF
F
F

if the mother games were to be remade, how would you want them remade? what graphical style would you want them in? how would you change the combat system?

Fourside.
walking over that bridge, into that park, and into the city.
It's like you just crossed the Lion's Gate Bridge, exited Stanley Park, and walked up to the Sylvia Hotel in Vancouver.
>the song is called Embraced by the Skyscrapers

I dunno guys, after all the version of the game I played was the pirated one where the difficulty was drastically increased , so I failed to make any progress at all
Well, I guess my fav part was the beginning of the game where we had to talk to the dog

>>4376918
Anti-piracy makes you fight three times as more enemies and some enemies spawn even when they're not supposed to. And everyone already knows what happens when you are about to fight the 1st phase of Giygas,

I always find it odd that Earthbound's final boss fight is always regarded as some kind of tour de force in video game writing when it's pretty much lifted from something Stephen King is constantly getting shat on for writing.

>>4361895
Magicant and moonside
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LECyz7qtsaI

>>4362098
>>4362107
>trying to make Jeff cool

Jeff was a weird creep who walked around in his boarding school uniform because he doesn't know how else to dress

>>4371550
>the runaway five guys in identical suits
Fuck that noise

>>4377023
well the difference is that EB actually did it correctly

>>4377343
in the Japanese version they all had the same suits

what was your favorite villain/boss?

>>4377971
Giygas

>>4377971
this fucker. he could be the star of his own game.

>>4377023
The one thing I would fix about the fight is to change the background image when Giygas is very wounded. Once you see the damn baby you can't unsee it. I know they were trying to do something like a hydra with a bunch of heads or some otherwise incoherent blob of Giygas faces but I don't think it worked that well.

>>4378383
i think that was a bit of an odd coincidence. when i first saw giygas, that what i thought it was, just him splinting off with a million different heads, but then that fucking theory came up, and i cant unsee it

id like to imagine what would happen if porky made ness into his commander instead of claus.

>>4378746
Lucas wouldn't stand a chance.

>>4378834
what about claus? would he be able to do anything?

>>4378130

>wears a yarmulke

Oy vey!

>>4378854
i never noticed that. now we need a carpainter merchant meme

>>4378851
Claus was weaker than Lucus right?

>>4378862
i always thought claus was the strong one

>>4372131
>buy

>>4378870
Maybe when they were kids, and perhaps physically giving his chimera status, but when you factor in PSI I think Lucas is ahead, and that what usually matters in these things.

The dinosaur place was freaky

>>4378918
its not like it would matter i guess. would they even be able to do anything?

Is this a general Mother thread or just Earthbound?

I've been playing the first game via Mother 1+2 the last few days and I'm liking it quite a bit, despite the insane encounter rate.
Also bought a repro of Mother 2 that uses the Maternalbound +run mod so can't wait for that to come in, then I can finally sit down and play Mother 3.
I'm aware it's not required to play these games in order, but ever since I bought repros of Mother 1+2 & 3 for the GBA, I thought it would be nice playing these games in order seeing them evolve. I've actually played Earthbound many times in the past via emulation, but because I was a dumb kid I'd either fucked up my progress by pressing the wrong key wasting hours of progress with save stating, or having my previous computers die on me, ruining my progress.
>>4377335
That's Lloyd, not Jeff.

>>4379067
>Is this a general Mother thread or just Earthbound?
yes.
just talk about whatever you want anon

>>4377335
anon, i...

>>4377335
the nigga carrys around a fucking rocket launcher and makes weapons from trash. hes cool as fuck

>ctrl+f "dungeon man"
>0 results

>>4379136
>"i made a sign with no message on it" -Brick Road

>>4379136
He has his perks.
Pros:
+Most damaging party member
+Can solidify enemies
Cons:
-Can't teleport with him
-Can't enter anything within Scaraba

>>4379136
>the dungeon you just beat joins your party

I did a thing
Sorry if it ain't good

>>4379232
>parents dying didnt make him a pussy. only made him stronger
unlike SOMEONE we know....

so what would have happened if buzz buzz never came around? could ness and co. still stop giygas?

>>4379162
Then he gets stuck in a tree

>>4379067
Just finished it, cute game but wow Mt. itoi was bad.
Got kinda stuck because I wasn't aware I was supposed to go into a bedroom to trigger an event, but that & difficulty aside, great game.
Can't wait to play Mother 2 next and finally finish the damn game.

>>4379653
I think CogDisc anon was talking about how Mt. Itoi's difficulty could be interpreted as the gang being in over their heads. It's speculation, but there's a lot of that in the series, so I don't think it's that out there.

Also if you are high enough level with enough pp items, just have ana PK Fire/Freeze Omega based on how many enemies are there.

>>4380013
Yeah I remember looking online on different interpretations on various game design choices, like having Ana being really weak despite getting the revive ability early on while Ninten gets it at a higher level, like around level 35 or so, I forgot, in order to get the player to "protect the girl" which is kinda cute I guess.
Also, I think I saw something where Itoi said that Mt. Itoi wasn't fully play tested for balance due to rushed development near the end, but I probably misinterpreted the quote or got fake info, whatever the case it really wasn't as bad as I made it seem, just got annoyed at the constant encounters with the tough enemies climbing the mountain only to realize I couldn't progress because I needed Lloyd in my party.

>>4379653
if you are going to play M2, dont do it on GBA, the game boy port sucks ass. emulate that bitch.

>>4380778
this.

>>4380778
Admittedly, it does have a greater sounding Battle Against a Machine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5b0iuq-7nY

>>4381574
its good, but i liked the original. (to be fair though, that vid sounded a bit low quality so it probably sounds better on the actual game)

>>4380778
I'm aware , besides the gba translation was never completed so I wasn't gonna bother anyway.
Ended up an snes reproduction cart that uses the Marternalbound+run mod so that's how I'm intending to play it.

>>4382134
Nice. Whats does that mod do?

>>4361895
Twoson.

The game just opened up and gives you the feel that you're a kid going on a grand adventure, the town is much bigger and has more things to do than Onett, yet it is still a down to earth place which makes it relatable and further nails down the feel of a kid exploring his city and having fun adventures.

>>4362092
That elevator lady with a FAT ass is best girl.
Venus is a close second.

>>4369617
What really pissed me off about it was the lack of diagonal movement, yet the creator's fixation with making diagonal paths, and the somewhat redundant ATB system.

>>4372262
The best way to play Mother 1 is through the Mother 1+2 GBA compilation and applying Mato's patch.
The Mother 2 port sucks, but Mother 1 is a big improvement, since you can use the GBA's shoulder buttons to automatically check items and talk to people, and it includes the Easy Ring, which cuts down the encounter rates.

>>4382901
Funny thing is, it's easy as hell to create diagonal movement in RPG Maker

Is it weird if I had a dream about Giegue last night?

>>4383125
That depends, what was it about?

>>4382917
>improvement
>ruins the soundtrack
GBA port is fine, but Mato's translation has been hacked (within cart size limits) into the NES version too. Also the original version is not so difficult that you need an easy ring, I never understood that.

>>4383395
The music on the port was terrible though the GBA had a shit sound chip

>>4384156
That's what I was saying, the GBA version is bottom-tier due to the nightmarish butchering of the music.

>>4383395
>within cart size limits
why not expand rom? seems like a number of groups porting scripts are anal about not expanding rom size

>>4384601
I'm not sure, maybe they did for the 'Uncut' ROM hack and still didn't have enough space, maybe they didn't at all, the readme file doesn't mention it. I think they took the 25th anniversary hack with the terrible graphics and de-hacked it into what is basically the Earth Bound prototype but with the original uncensored MOTHER graphics and a crunched version of Mato's script. I've only just started playing it on and off (I've beaten the proto like 4 times), but it seems like they did a really nice job, and you gotta love the smoking crow.

>>4383367
Well, it was really short.
>We were on a small hill overlooking an open field
>Hill had a few big trees and large rocks
>Giegue leaned back on one of those rocks and got a look of confusion on his face
>A voice from nowhere says "isn't this odd?"
>Suddenly he becomes a playable character in Super Smash Bros

I dont know why, but threed always reminded me of harvester

>>4384838
Giegue confirmed for smash
>>4385040
>oh you always were such a kidder, ness

So I read that Earthbound is actually the second game in a series of games called Mother, Have the original games been translated by fans? Id like to play from the first game.

>>4385743
the first one is on the VM, and the second one is translated by fans.

>>4385746
VM?

>>4385750
sorry i meant VC. as in the wii-u virtual console. its also on E-shop. although id emulate it, purely out of spite, since Nintendo screwed this series over so much

>>4385743
be warned, if you play the first two before the third, you might find the third one a little lacking in the story and character areas. although, you might not. you should play the first two before the third though, you wont be able to tell whats going on if you dont

>>4385796
Oh right, Well Im emulating it on VBA
>>4385803
Bit redundant, Starting with the first one anyway.

>>4385827
oh, that makes sense. and sorry for the redundancy, im a bit tired

Is there a direct translation of the orginal M2?

>>4386341
Yeah,it's called EarthBound and was released in the US.

>>4386790
I mean a direct translation

My favorite part was turning this piece of shit off and playing Undertale instead

>>4386985
Fuck off

>>4386996
Rude

>>4387020
Bix nood

@4386989
You know, its getting kind of hard to tell weather these people are unironic or not

>>4387084
I have over 100 hours logged in Undertale so you tell me

>>4361895
My favorite part in almost any JRPG is that point when you're maybe 25 to 30% through the main quest and you're just beginning to get a grasp of things and realizing the epic journey you're undertaking. You're looking at the map and wondering what will fill it out, and chances are you've heard NPCs hint at some of the places you'll visit. You're just starting to gain important tools and abilities that allow you to find new secrets, and you've probably already come across plenty of mysteries you want to revisit.

So in Earthbound, that's probably sometime near Threed, when you take control of Jeff.

>>4362094
>Earthbound shit in tumblr style
Every fucking time. I've always liked this game for how weird it is, but the fanbase is just unbearable plebs and casuals, the whole lot.

Is the cart itself still demanding stupid money?

>>4387097
>Earthbound shit in tumblr style

So Undertale?

>>4387097
The fanbase is one of the worst, undertale's is worse though. And yes, the cart is still expensive, but it's on 3DS, Wii U, and SNES Classic now so prices aren't as high as they once were.

>>4387105
>Judging Undertale by its fandom
>Liking Earthbound

Nothing did my heart more good than seeing you obnoxious hipsters sperging on about it being le best game ever and better than all the other SNES RPGs than getting a taste of your own medicine when Earthbound stays popular only with basement dwellers while Undertale exploded in popularity and is still loved by kiddos who watch people play games on their iphones rather than playing games themselves.

Also Undertale is a better game objectively speaking too.

>>4387105
>but it's on 3DS, Wii U, and SNES Classic now so prices aren't as high as they once were
That's cool. I've already played it (I emulated it after playing Smash Bros. in 1999 and wanting to see what kind of whack-ass game Ness was from). I kind of just want a cart because I'm a purist. Seems like it goes for about 150 on ebay lately, but I might hold out and see if it goes down some more.

>>4387113
You sound painfully desperate to make it seem like your favorite cult game is more popular than some other people's favorite cult game. It's pretty pathetic.

>>4387119
The only people who care about Earthbound these days are the slightly older Undertale fans who saw the "Ness is Sans" video and managed to sit through more than five minutes of an Earthbound let's play. Deal with it.

>>4387120
Or, get this, people who played the game 20 years ago because they're not fucking angry underage-fags scrounging for approval and justification on a korean pottery board.

>>4387125
Is that why Earthbound only sold 100,000 copies while 3,000,000 people bought Undertale on Steam alone and counting? Most of those 20+ year olds only played it as kids and don't even care about it anymore anyways. Stay mad.

Lisa the Painful is better than Earthbound
and Undertale combined all things considered.

Fourside.

>>4387127
>hurrr, why did a game that was barely advertised toward the end of a console's lifetime, over 20 years ago not sell as much as a modern game across multiple platforms in a time where the market is exponentially bigger than it ever was?
Really makes you think. The fact that you cannot grasp that the mere evolution of the video game market could account for this alone pretty much proves you're ignorant. Also:
>MORE SALES MEANS THE GAME IS BETTER, HURR!
Did your parents not love you? Why must you search so hard for approval?

>>4387127
>grasping at straws this hard
Neogaf is thataway freind

>>4387157
>>4387156
Stop fucking replying to him, hes just doing this for (you)s. He did it last thread too

>>4368231
He was right though. M3 pretty much confirms Porkey was just a tsundere.

>>4373479
Pickey is that one npc in M3

>>4387334
And a retard

>>4387341
No, picky is already in M3. He's in one of the tube things

>>4361895
>Mother 1
Magicant, always liked that weird place and i love queen Mary's castle theme.

>Mother 2
Onett and Twoson for nostalgic reasons, but my favorite part is fighting Giygas, still to this day is the only game where (you) defeat the final boss and the credits secuence gives me the feels.

>Mother 3
Chapter 4 because is the beginnings of the real adventure and the fight againts Porky.

>M1
the very beginning, or the end.
>M2
either jeffs introduction or the entrence to fourside
>M3
couldn't really find anything that hit me here like the other two, but the part where you find ness's yoyo was cool i guess

>>4387527
yeah, the part where ness walks Paula home was great too

>>4387095
Jeff and poo's introductions were great. EB had really good charecters

>>4375791
Whats the game in the gif?

>>4387135
Watched an LP of this and it was actually pretty cool.

>>4361895
Threeside probably.

I think Magicant from Mother 1 is my favourite place in the entire series.

I played it for the first time in 2015 or 2016 and it just struck an emotional chord with me. Do you know how when you're a child and things are so basic like NES games that you fill in the blanks with your imagination? I didn't realize it could still happen as ab adult. Except instead of imagination there were some really heartwarming touching moments, or moments that just struck a nerve with me. There was the NPC that told you that you are welcome there anytime you want because Mary loves you, and the forgotten man.

I think the bridge from imagination to literal is what makes so many games good, and especially the mother series. And probably why I'm on a retro board and can't really get into much modern games. I always wonder what things would be like if Mother 3 was made competently and got on the n64. All that spooky and cozy shit in low polygons would have been so good.

>>4390265
>Except instead of just imagination

I forgot a word. I love everything about this era visually and aesthetically. Everything was relatively grounded until this point and I spent a lot of time here grinding.

I loved the Crystal Cavern too, that's where the Forgotten Man was but there was also this guy. And I'm the kind of guy who spends too much time wondering and speculating about games, because again the fact it's so vague and we can decide what we think happened is so much fun, and I always wondered if he's related to the shit that goes down in Mother 3.

>>4387460


He returned to a metaphorical mechanical womb, while the earth reset itself and purged itself of humanity and all we've done to it and everyone else returned to Mother Earth.

And he just missed his mom and tried to build robot waifus for himself, he had a nursery in his Tower of Peace and Love, his spider suit was like a crib.

It's all very freudian.

>>4390284
Then wheres his father

>>4389898
Wut?

You know, I really have to hand it to Itoi.

He's the only person that made multiple games where the end made me want to cry, for various reasons.

Kudos to him.

How do you guys pronounce "Onett"? I've heard it pronounced "on-it" and "own-ette". As a kid I always assumed it was "won-ette" because phonetically it fits with the other towns having numbers in their names (i.e. Twoson and Threed).

Tea Time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23qEArWaLjs

>>4390581
Ive always pronounced it as "own-ette"

>>4390470
He was shit and beat his kids which is why Porkey thinks being a cunt will make him Ness' friend. He was also a rich cunt hence Porkey thinking money = happiness.

>>4391225
But then why would he idolize his mom when she encoraged the beatings

>>4390581
O-nett.

So what did paula and ness do while they were trapped in that hole in threed?

>>4392740
[Spoiler] consentual hugging

>>4392740
Probably sleep in shifts.

>>4391283
He wanted a not bad mom and projected his desires

>>4394414
Wouldnt he want a not shit dad too?

>>4387527
Fourside was my fav

>>4361895
>first heading to onett and seeing cars and people roll by
>feels like a comfy living world
>realising you can order pizza

When I first played Earthbound I was disappointed that they didn't continue the numbering scheme of the cities. I expected towns that started with Five, Six, Seven, Eight, and Nine.

Dusty Dunes and Deep Darkness
Monkeys in Earthbound are the best

>>4361895
Summers for sure. I always gravitate towards the beach levels/cities in games for some reason. I should probably move to the coast.

>>4396221
Coasts always suck irl. They tend to be gloomy and foggy most of the time, and they tend to be massively overpopulated. Also there's the whole flooding and hurricane thing, which I promise you sucks more than Tornadoes and so on in steppes.

>>4396323
> tfw I will never be able to move to Costa del Sol

>>4396323
>implying the entirety of each coast is either NYC or LA

I'm really really bad at geography, but come on man. North Carolina isn't foggy or over-populated, and that's just one example out of many.

>>4369519
I feel like the reason M3 is so poular over there is beacuse it wasnt released. Like, if M1 or M2 wasnt released, it would be as popular as M3 is now

>>4396941
What? Are you implying M3 is more popular then EB? That is nowhere close to the truth, EB is much more popular in both the US and Japan.

>>4396945
On starman.net and other such places, i mean. My bad, i should have specified.

>>4396139
Earthbound is top tier comfy

>>4390284
>mechanical womb
>Spider suit like a crib

These are very good points. A good purpose of these threads is just seeing what details you've missed.

I think the question was posted earlier if Porky would be the way he is without abusive parents? I think that's a hard question, because there's certainly a genetic factor to all of this, so it kind of begs a question. I think he wouldn't have been nearly as bad, though he'd probably certainly be maladjusted.

>>4396221
I'd like to live in a peaceful rest valley-esque place I'd think. Places like that are often expensive though.

>>4396346
South Carolina is better

>>4396941
I always wonder how things would have gone if M3 was released for N64.

I never bought the whole "Earthbound fanboys are cancer" meme...

But then I saw this video about some EB USA documentary someone is making and regret so much.

>>4400227
You've never stepped foot into the hellhole that is starmen.net?

>>4400227
Theyre a loud minority. Most EB/mother fanboys keep their moths shut until its brought up. Beseides, it could be worse, at least its not FNAF or SU

>>4400225
I think ness was supposed to be in that one. They had his model in one of the scrernshots. I dont know why they changed it, it would have been a lot cooler if he was in it.

>>4398495
I think one of the reaaons porky was an asshole is that he practically lived on top of the mani mani statue in fourside

>>4398495
"In the Japanese version, the valley was called "Grateful Dead Valley". The name was likely changed to avoid lawsuits from the real-life band Grateful Dead."

Neat!

>>4401362
>dont know why they changed it,

I remember reading an interview from Itoi saying he changed a lot because he didn't want to be too cruel to his fans.

I think we were going to see Eagleland and the rest of the world crumble in an apocalypse. It's only alluded to in the GBA version, but I remember seeing beta screenshots of something like a town being destroyed somewhere.

>>4402861
I feel like this is an important fact to share that is probably related to all the love for counterculture in Earthbound. Not to mention the mushroom status effect.

Also in Pokemon Red/Blue there was a hiker high as fuck on mushrooms, but it was changed to hayfever here. People from Ape went on to do Pokemon Red/Blue so yeah.

Also just japan in general.

>>4398495
>These are very good points. A good purpose of these threads is just seeing what details you've missed.

Yeah I really need to go back and replay Mother 3 sometime. A lot of characterization is in the details and a lot of it probably passed over my head as a teenager. The game has a great atmosphere.


Is there a way to darken the palette of GBA games using emulation? It's so bright because of the no backlight thing.

>>4404474
I remember hearing a rumor that ness's family were supposed to be killed by the starmen when giygas invaded onett, but im not sure if that was true

>>4404474
So was ness supposed to be the masked man, or was he supposed to help lucas?

>>4405096
Damn, that would have been brutal since we actually see the family interact more

>>4402861
So does that mean that greatful dead valley is like a graveyard or something?

A bump because I quite enjoy this thread.

Can we get an art dump in here?

I want to see a remake of this game. It would work great in 3d

>>4399145
South Carolina is barren wasteland that reeks of poverty and shit. North Carolina is best Carolina.

>>4412949
T. Northerner

>>4411528
That would be really nice.

>>4414882
Im working on it

Okay, here's a question for you all that I'm actually curious to know the answer to:
Of all the characters there are in all the three Mother games, which ones are your top three favourites? And why?

>>4362746
Oh god you again

>earthbound thread
>someone talks about earthbound
>cool
>someone talks about mother/beginnings
>cool
>someone talks about mother 3
>cool
>someone talks about undertale
>Not cool pls gtfo

>>4416810
Because its a mother thread. Not an undertale thread.

>>4416435
Ness, jeff and giygas

>>4396167
Yeah, i never got that.

>>4416435
The Runaway Five

I know it's more than three, but whatchagonnado

>>4405530
Ness being the masked man might have been neat, but then you get into the problem where if someone didn't play Mother 2, they wouldn't get it. In Japan that wasn't an issue since Mother 2 was popular, but it was also rather old at the time.

Also begs the question as to "how"? I think if Ness showed up, it'd maybe be indirectly as he's pursuing Porky.

>>4416435
Giygas, Ness/Jeff tie, and maybe Andonuts.

Just recently decided i wanted to pick up a SNES and get some games for it, Earthbound being one of the main games i want

Could anyone explain to me why it costs so much? Is it just low production + high demand? Any hope for the average eBay price being below $150?
Where else are good places to look? Most of my local stores seem to have a pretty good idea of what they have. I guess i could try flea markets and goodwill but i feel like that'll take a while.

Also is it just earthbound (mother 2) on eshops? Are there official translations of 1 and 3?

>>4419358
> Is it just low production + high demand?
Pretty much. Abysmal marketing meant that this game didnt do so well over in the states, so not many copies were made. So now actual copies are expensive as fuck. If you really want a physical copy, get a reproduction cart with a running mod on it

>>4419804
Yeah I'd love as authentic one but i might just have to get a repo

I've never bought a repo cart, anything to look out for or are they similar quality for the most part

>>4419825
I dont know, but id assume that theres some place to get them. Try looking on ebay or Craigslist

I'm playing the game now on my SNES Classic that I DIDN'T buy from a scalper fag

Jeff just rescued Ness and Paula, and then trapped all the zombies in the tent. On my way outta Threed now.

>>4361895
The suffering of the kids at the end when all hope has been lost and they're calling for help and looked like nobody was there, brought me to tears a little. Then I really started to tear up when the prayer got through and it turns out everyone was there, supporting you. All you had to do was make your voice heard.

I realized that it was all resonating with me because it brought to mind how I felt when I was going through my cancer treatment.

>>4421403
Did you talk to the zombies when they were trapped? They were fucking hilarious.

>>4421403
One thing that I love about this series (minus 3) is that as you progress the towns are themed after the seasons so it really feels like time is progressing.

I can't remember many other games that did this. Some modern Pokemon games do, but it's not retro.

>>4421212
PAULA NO

GET AWAY FROM NESS' FUCK SHACk

>>4423330
>implying its not paulas fuck shack

>>4366305
Starman Deluxe and Ghost of Starman

What i would give for an earthbound cartoon

>>4423412
>implying it's a shack

>>4426392
Well i dont know if i would call it a home, what with the wall falling out

Moonside was cool

Probably most of the game from Threed and on was great, but my favorite dungeon would be the Starman Base.

>>4361895
>All these Moonsides

That is the worst area in the game by far. Shitty teleporter maze, annoying battles, and laggy as fuck.

>>4428335
I always imagined that the starman DX sounded like frank horrigan

>>4428564
What part did you like anon?

>>4411613
Id like it in a paper mario style. Either one would be cool

The blue klux klan

Fourside was also pretty cool

>>4428335
I found the swird of kings on my first starman

>>4427985
No it wasn't.

I never realized how sinister this specific yes means no dialogue was until just now.

Do you guys do a yearly playthough or anything? It was around December about four years ago I said fuck it and spent $220 on a physical copy so I tend to always replay around this time of the year.

>>4432257
I play it during summer and winter. Those are the most comfy rpg times

>>4362084
literally me

>>4368223
just like moot, Ness never appears in porn without his hat

>>4421403
as an oldfag the SNES Classic kinda bugs me.
these things are artifacts.
the battery in my Secret of Mana is dead, so all saves are lost and none can be made. it's not exactly simple the replace either, and you need a special tool to open the cartridge.
THAT'S the shit you should go thru to play these works of art.

>>4434805
Are you saying these games should be difficult to be able to play? Emulators are the greatest thing to happen to retro gaming as it allows people to play so much they never would have been able to before. I enjoy collecting myself a bit but I don't think everyone should have to hunto down and pay for these games.

>>4434805
>he doesn't know about the pen trick
Shaggy diggy

>>4435538
.....
>brb fixing game

>>4436047
Kek

>>4436985

Ya know, the more i think about it, this part was kind of fucked up.

>>4361895
Everything from the beginning to finishing Twoson. Maximum comfiness.

The rest of the game has plenty of great moments, but in general it gets worse as it goes on.

>>4439212
For me at least, the first two towns were small and heartfelt, you really didnt know what was going on, so everything was happy and nice, but once you get into threed, you really get a sense of the big adventure youre going on, you see how big the world is, how important what youre doing is and how much you have to do. Sure, it may not be as comfy as the first two towns, but there was a great sense of adventure.

The bride going to fourside was great

The giygas fight. Speaking of which, what was your reaction?

Are you kidding?

Giygas
That shit is nightmare fuel to this day

>Building a literal devil machine using alien technology only to be mindbroken and have your matter scattered across time and space in some distorted form that is only held together by said devil machine while your very presence is making a planet sick and influenced by your negativity and tortured remnants of your psych

That concept is some primal fear engine material

>>4434805
Agreed
My SNES Classics are for reselling

>>4441113
i was like 9 years old, i literally shit my pants
i dropped the game, i didnt beat it i played mario world instead

>>4361895
lost underworld
i dont know why exactly but i enjoyed so much that part

>>4441568
When you mean literally do you mean literally or figuratively

>>4441493
>If the chosen four failed giygas's influence would spread his pain agony all over the galaxy, turning everything into a literal hellscape
That's some warhammer 40k shit right there

>>4441113
I thought that after the pokey fight, it would all be over, but then they bitch slap you with that shit. Plus there's the fact that the giygas fight is a whole different ballgame than the other fights in the game, like all the other fights are about killing the enemy, but the giygas fight is basically you just trying to stay alive long enough for enough time so paula can pray, but if one of your team goes down, then you have to focus on them first. It was hard as fuck for me, and the random attacks from giygas really didnt help.

>>4441493
I've always said the devil machine is just built around what he was in in Mother 1. He was always frail/volatile enough to need to be contained.

So it seems to be the common consensus here that Mother 3 is the worst in the series? It's actually my favorite. I feel like it does a much better job telling a cohesive story than the first two games, where it's largely just kids wandering around and experiencing things, which is nice in it's own right. Personally, the game's themes hit me hard and made me feel things that the first two really only did near the end, and the more personal final confrontation with the Masked Man is my favorite in the series. In terms of gameplay, it objectively blows the other two out of the water, but I understand that storytelling and thematic things are very subjective. To be clear, I still love 2 and 1 is iffy for me, and I'm very interested in hearing other opinions and the reasoning for them.

I hope this post isn't too fucking massive

>>4441785
I feel the problem with M3 is that it relies too heavily on common cliches of other JRPGs. Plus there was a lot of exposition that was just read out to you where i felt they could have shown you. Plus I feel like the masked man was inferior to giegue and pokey from the first two games because with them you get to see them go through more of an arc and you have more reasons to care about them, whereas 3 just relies on "but its your twin brother" without actually fleshing him out or giving you a reason to care beyond that. It felt like a copout and i felt they could have done a better job at fleshing claus out. Don't get me wrong, its a great game and i can see why it can be someone's favorite, but i feel the first two hit some notes better.

>>4441785
>>4442059
Although I will admit, in the first two games you do kind of have to read a little deeper to get a cohesive story out of it, and there are plenty of things you could miss, but I prefer that to just being handed exposition over and over again. I guess it just comes down to what you want from a story, its very subjective in that way.

>>4442059
>>4442065
I can definitely see where you're coming from, and why someone would like the more vague storytelling in the first two. I guess it does come down to the fact that I don't really mind most JRPG and anime tropes, and I don't think the game got all too heavy with the exposition, aside from that scene with Leder, of course. I suppose you have a point in Giygas being more developed than Clause, but I feel like Porky is a better comparison to Giygas, as he's the main, more developed villain. Claus is the final boss and fills the role of the atypical boss fight, true, but he's meant to be just a tool of Porky's, whereas Giygas was the full main antagonist of the first two games.

>>4442218
There was another thread before this ever some anon sumedgiygas/pokey vs pokey/claus thing up pretty good, I'm just trying to find it

>>4441572
The part where you go to that cliff in a cave was trippy. The music made it really kind of creepy

>>4441735
I always thought that the devils machine was the Apple of enlightenment after being transformed by giygas