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Heh how would a solo venausaur run fare against the elite four?

>>4434361
Probably pretty badly honestly. Loreli is an ice type specialist so it would struggle there, Agatha, despite being a ghost specialist, has pokemon that are all poison type which it would struggle with, and Lance's team would probably wall the fuck out of it with not only his dragon types but others like his gyrados.

>>4434350
I did, didn't know any better at the time.

>>4434350
I was the Bulbasaur kid.

I did because I felt like other friends would pick the other two. I also thought because Bulbasaur wasn't the obvious choice he'd probably be pretty good.

>>4434361
>>4434350

Venusaur's the better starter. It has the easiest time against the first two gyms, which are the only two mandatory ones before the game becones nonlinear with how you can tackle the gym leaders.

He has better stats and Razor Leaf is overpowered this gen since it always (read: ALWAYS) crits.

4/5 of Lorelei's Pokémon are weak to that move, while the other is neutral. With some setup it's pretty easy for Venusaur.

Of course, he destroys Bruno, and Lance is more than doable with normal moves and setup.

The biggest problem are Agatha's ghosts since they resist razor leaf and aren't hit by normal moves. But since their moves suck they'll have a hard time killing you as well, so it's more tedious than hard.

>>4434350

I did because it was my first RPG and I didn't know what I was doing. I meant to pick charmander.

At least I learned how to read things more carefully from that game.

>>4434443
Brock's overrated, I used to him with a ratata, just use buff/debuff moves when he uses bide.

>>4434443
Didn't think of it that way.

just got yellow for the first time ever because i want to replay in color

is this gonna be hell?

Almost every time. The Elite 4 is difficult, but certainly not unmanageable with a good team (well, what I thought was good as a kid).

Charizard is not worth choosing because Fire/Flying is such an awful typing. It's weak to everything under the sun and he already has average-at-best defensive stats. Sure he looks cool and it doesn't matter anyway because Gen 1 was a casual game, but as long as we're drawing it up, you know?

Blastoise is tank-ish for a Water type but again, you could be using Starmie or Gyarados and actually kill shit or hey, if you really want a tank try Lapras, it has a shit-ton more HP and the same Sp. Attack stat.

Venusaur on the other hand is a Grass type, which resists Water which is fucking everywhere and is only weak to Fire, Flying, and Bug, none of which are staple types. Sure Venusaur is also weak to Psychic but you'll find it'll tank a Psychic better than most Pokemon who -aren't- weak to it.

Not only is Venusaur Grass but he's actually the only usable Grass type in the game outside of Exeggutor, which gets eaten alive by anything it doesn't resist thanks to no Sp. Defense (or speed, which it somehow has even less of than Venusaur).

But wait, there's more: Venusaur is the only Pokemon (again outside of Exeggcute) that can learn the game's most insidious move in Leech Seed, which is insanely useful in any situation but is also the game's only real Snorlax killer, as well as any other tank that tries to Rest and instead has to switch out. Not only that, but in RBY you could take advantage of a programming oversight and let Leech Seed scale up with Toxic.

>>4434350
I did on my first time through on Blue when it came out.

Venasaur and Blastoise are the best picks. Charizard is worthless. And I don't care if you think I'm wrong because you played the fucking remake, retard.

>>4434350
>not playing green
Do you even weeb?

>>4434546

lol no, just get a mankey or Nidoran male, learn a fighting move, beat Brock. Or just use anything other than Pikachu, really.

You get the other starters soon enough after that.

>>4434546
I've always used a butterfree with confusion.

>>4434650

You've never played Gen 1.

There is no special stat split, Exeggutor's best stat is his special stat and it's better than Venusaurs.

Being weak AT ALL to physic is damning in that game.

Charizard's stats aren't strong but the only thing he's actually worried about as far as typing is water moves, thunderbolt, or ice beam. Nobody uses rock throw. That means he's only 2x weak to three types, which is the usual for every pokemon. He's also immune to ground and that's a big deal, earthquake was a good move.

>>4434694
I did, I just brainfizzled. My rant was based on knowledge that's been decaying for 10 years.

>>4434350
I did, I always pick the grass starter

>>4434546
you can even get a butterfree with confusion for brock

>>4434350
Three save slots; one for Charmander, one for Squirtle, one for my second Charmander.

>>4434964
bait

>>4434350
Easy. Just give him Body Slam and get a Dugtrio on backup. Destory's the entire game.

>>4434350
I did whwn i was 8 because that was what was recommended to me to make life easy on myself, a first timer. I forget how much i loved that world...

Picked Charmander and couldn't get past Misty, so I restarted and went Bulbasaur

>>4434350

I picked Charmander when my buddy got me to try his game

I picked all of them when i got Yellow for my birthday

>>4434541
Sure, Brock is piss easy even with Pikachu in Yellow. Charmander with Ember also destroys him. Misty on the other hand is harder

>>4434543
He also evolves 4 levels earlier to its final form

>>4434546
Pikachu is doable with quick attack, growl and tail whip and maybe some potions. I've done this before

>>4434650
Charizard is ok actually. He's probably the best Fire type Pokémon that gen, though that's not saying much.
Naturally learns Flamethrower and Slash (always critical here so it's almost base 140) and is the only one that can learn Earthquake by TM.

Also the only one that can learn Swords Dance by TM, so you can pair it with Earthquake and some good normal move (not Slash though since it ignores buffs) like Body Slam or Hyper Beam.

Not the best but indeed not bad.

Me and two friends got the game at the same time so we of course kept restarting until everyone had a complete set of starters.

I did. Don't see what the big deal is unless you're one of those people who just power level your starter and use it to steamroll everything instead of, you know, actually having fun.

>picking a lizard or a turtle
>not picking best dino

>>4434350
On the plus side, he has an advantage against the first two Gyms. On the bad side, you don't get a Pokemon that's Super Effective against Blue's Charmander until Mt. Moon.

>>4434546
In Yellow, Brock has no ground or rock type moves. He's a complete pushover.

>>4435105
>best fire type
Dragonite
>best electric type
Dragonite
>best ice type
Dragonite
>best water type
Dragonite
>best flying type
Dragonite

Gen 1 was really diverse.

>>4435268
Dragonite got a double weakness to ice though.

>>4435282
Yeah, but he's faster than any ice user and there aren't any ice priority moves in Gen 1, so he'll just OHKO everything that has a chance to do anything to him.

>>4434381
Venasaur is part poison so it gets normal damage from Agatha and can't get poisoned.

>>4434443
>easiest time

Sure, because 10pp fucking Vine whip at level 13 with nothing but fucking Caterpie to grind on is so much easier than Bubble at 8. Have fun sweeping Brock with leech seed.

>>4434350
I actually wanted to pick bulbasaur because it was my favorite starter but I also wanted to have as many "dragons" as possible during my playthrough so I picked Charmander.

>>4435308
Sup?

>>4435308
>>4435418
I'll do you two better, Articuno is faster than Dragonite, and Jynx is faster than both of them. So your statement is bullshit.

>>4434350
I did
No complaints, sleep powder worked out well for me

>>4435268
lmao
Yeah, getting a Dragonite was fucking epic back then

>>4435418
>>4435426
>staryu
>articuno
>jynx

These would all be valid arguments if there were anything in the game that used them after lv55. Add on top that Dragonite's Special was 100 (higher than Jynx, equal with Starmie) and that means that even if there were mon high enough level to bother a Dragonite, their stats weren't high enough to beat him.

A lv100 Dragonite vs a lv100 Starmie/Jynx would blow them the fuck out.

>Try to have fun conversation about starters with friend
>Hes a minmaxing faggot so fun isn't a concept he understands

>>4434381
Venusaur fucked up Lorelei with fucking Razorleaf every time. Only time it wasn't Razorleaf was for Jynx, and all that bitch did was die to Body Slam. Razorleaf through Lorelei, through Bruno, switch out for Agatha desu, because Zapdos ate her, back to Razorleaf and Solarbeam for Lance, even through Aerodactyl because I'm a stubborn twat and Venusaur had the tank. Every time. Venusaur carried my E4 in Red, Blue AND Yellow. Fuck Charizard, for real. Plus, Bulbasaur was the only choice for Misty's bullshit fucking Bubblebeam Starmie asshole.

>>4434443
>>4436441
Broseph knows what's up.

>>4435392
Actually, Brock was easy. Leech Seed doesn't do shit to Bide, which was the only fucking thing Onix ever did and Geodude was a pushover. Leech Seed, Growl, Growl, Tackle, Growl, yadda yadda, Boulderbadge

>>4434350
I did and still do. I name him Bruteroot.

>>4435007
Dugtrio owns. I had a dugtrio in my Elite 4 team last time I played through Red.

>>4434361
In a solo run you’d be level 80+ easy by the end of the game so the E4 wouldn’t be too hard. Id probably recommend you level up to at least 90 though because it’s gonna have to tank some hits.

>>4434350
True patricians box the lame old kanto starters and catch a Nidoran instead

Keep your faggy autistic shit on its containment board:

>>>/vp/

>>4435392
>Have fun sweeping Brock with leech seed.
oh no i'm real scared of onix

>>4434443
I always thought that but in the end I just used a Blastoise and had better performance (every time)

I almost always did because he had advantage against the first two gyms and was neutral/reduced damage to the third and fourth. By the time I got to Koga he'd have poison type and I'd have a full party with decent coverage by Sabrina. Blane is a goddam joke.

>>4434350
Venasaur is that pokemon that doesn't deserve his own version

I played through red and blue a hundred times. Why would I not? Why do Americans hate bulbasaur?
I also main ivysaur in pm.

>>4437107
Because he wasn't on the box. That's it. >>4437084

>>4434443
Every goddamn time there's people who clearly don't remember what the games were like, because they played it as a retarded child fifteen years ago and didn't come back to it.

Crits were speed-based, and although Razor Leaf crits often, it's not gonna hit all the time. And that 55 base power isn't exactly amazing. Charizard gets Slash, which crits far more often due to Charizard's better speed, and it has better STAB moves, too.

The game doesn't become 'nonlinear' after Misty. Sure, you can wait with taking out Surge, but why would you? It's mandatory to pass through his city and it gives you no advantages to skip him.

The first gym is incredibly easy to begin with. Onix is basically an oversized Weedle with more physical bulk. It doesn't even have any STAB moves, which is why you can easily sweep him with a level 10 Butterfree with Confusion.

I'm not saying Venusaur is bad. Charizard or Venusaur are objectively the two best choices, because both are relatively unique in that you don't have many good Grass- and Fire-types that are available early (Arcanine and Ninetales are good, but you either need to use TMs or hold off on evolving them until very late). Venusaur has Sleep Powder, too, meaning that you don't have to lug around a useless Butterfree until the endgame if you want to catch the legendaries (there are other Pokémon that learn Sleep Powder but most are pretty bad). Blastoise, on the other hand, is just another decent Water type in a game full of decent Water types.

Discussion aside, this is a kids' game, and literally every starter can get through the game with minimal effort, because every single Pokémon game is super fucking easy.

>>4435685
Wrong.

Starmie Blizzard vs. Dragonite: 347-408 (90.1 - 105.9%) -- 38.5% chance to OHKO

Dragonite Hyper Beam vs. Starmie: 147-173 (45.5 - 53.5%) -- 38.3% chance to 2HKO

Starmie will always win against Dragonite since Blizzard is a guaranteed 2HKO while Dragonite might not 2HKO it with Hyper Beam. Starmie is also faster.

Main game, sure, Dragonite is great, but if you're talking about competitive it has several hard counters like Starmie and Articuno. The only thing in the game that is legitimately OP and has basically no direct counters is Mewtwo.

>>4437160
>tfw two Amnesias give MewTwo 999 Special Attack and 999 Special Defence
>literally nothing counters Psychic

What were those glorious motherfuckers thinking? Damn it felt good to literally MELT opposing Pokemon with MewTwo in Gen 1.

>>4437084
That was Blastoise in Japan and the remakes.

>>4436736
Depends if you used your PP Ups on Razor Leaf and saved some elixers/ethers for it. At level ~80 he can oneshot pretty much everything the E4 throws at you with Razor Leaf's 100% crits.

>>4434350
Ivysaur is my favourite poke to this day. So sad that vanusaur looks like shit

It's the best for the first 3 gyms which is all you really need as after that you outlevel everything so much the game is easy. For the Elite Four the only thing you have to worry about is having enough PP.

>>4434350
I always picked Bulbasaur, he was the best.

>>4434350
Bulbasaur was, and forever will be, my nigga

>>4434350
Charmander = Chad choice
Squirtle = homo choice
Bulbasaur = beta choice

I picked Squirtle. But I'm only a little homo.

>>4435308

Tons of things learn ice beam and you do not need stab when you have 4x damage. Dragonite does not one shot lots of things that can one shot him.

Dragonite is OP because he learns wrap, that's all. Elemental resistances isn't a big deal.

>>4434443
>Razor Leaf is overpowered this gen since it always (read: ALWAYS) crits.
Strictly speaking, it has a 1/256 chance to fail to crit, so it's not literally always.

>>4435095
>misty is hard in a game that forces you to have an electric pokemon for the starter

What did he mean by this

>>4439260

Pikachu sucks against Staryu, thought it can at least paralyze before dying.

>>4439260
Pikachu gets outsped and oneshot by Starmie unless you're overleveled (Level 30+) as fuck. It's a much better option to grab the Bulbasaur and grind it a bit and use that instead.

It's a fucking trap, is what it is.

>>4439268
>It's a fucking trap, is what it is.
Reverend Horton Akbar, is that you

>>4439281
Nyet.

>>4435268

yep, dragonite and gengar basically had all your bases covered

>>4434350
Me. I always went for the Grass starter. Also always got the "inferior" version. Blue and Silver.

>>4439260
Misty is harder in Red/Blue for the fire and water starters than the grass starter, that's what I meant

>>4439250
99,61% indeed lol but you get the idea, it's not like in later games where it's only from 1/16 to 1/8 chance or something

hmmm

>>4434350
I usually do for nuzlockes because he can beat the first two gyms by himself

>>4440154
Wartortle has just as much of an easy time as Ivysaur, since it resists Water and can just spam Tackle. It's not as smooth sailing as Ivysaur, but it's nowhere near difficult either.

The only one who has a tough time is Charmander (and Pikachu in Yellow if you don't grab Bulbasaur).

>>4440883
The biggest pain in the ass for Pikachu is running into stuff like Graveler with Selfdestruct (f.e. in the Rock Tunnel). And well, the fact that it has shitty stats compared to fully evolved Pokémon

I've done Pikachu only runs with HM slaves before though without backtracking for grinding.

>>4440901
>I've done Pikachu only runs
That's irrelevant. Weedle can solo RBY with enough grinding.

>>4440905
Read a bit more then, that was done without grinding (other than battling unnecessary trainers of course)

>>4440912
And using only one pokemon is invalidating your point, because all the EXP is being funneled into only one pokemon, and a Pokemon with fast growth rate at that.

>>4440921
I'm not saying it was a feat or something, just that Pikachu is good enough to plow through the game without grinding (while in the case of Weedle without evolving you can't)

>>4440934
A player over the age of ten probably isn't going to try and solo the game with a Pikachu, so your point is again, irrelevant.

Pikachu sucks if you want to actually use it as part of a team, and it gets murdered by Starmie without even getting a single hit in.

>>4440941
Did you know I did this at around the age you mention lol Of course it's irrelevant as in being easy (you could argue nothing is hard in games with progress systems like these JRPGs though)

Just wanted to point out that he doesn't have as tough of a time as some guys here seem to think

>>4440960
>Just wanted to point out that he doesn't have as tough of a time as some guys here seem to think
Except he does, unless you're overleveling him.
I mean, you CAN grind on the peninsula of power in Final Fantasy I until you've maxed your four white mages out, but that doesn't mean that a 4 white mage run of FF is easy and people are making a big deal out of nothing.

And yes, by doing a solo Pikachu run (WITHOUT GRINDING THOUGH) that IS what you are doing. EXP that would be spread throughout an entire party is all being funneled into one Pokemon. Your Pikachu has the experience of four-six Pokemon if you were raising a team properly.

>>4440980
Not him, but it's literally not a "solo Pikachu run" if you're spreading EXP around a whole team. It's also not grinding if you're not actually doing any grinding. Do you even know what grinding means?

Anyway, solo runs are a perfectly valid strategy. Arguably the best strategy, provided you choose your main wisely and set it up correctly. Full teams are mostly pointless except in competitive.

>>4441157
>it's literally not a "solo Pikachu run" if you're spreading EXP around a whole team
read
>>4440901
>I've done Pikachu only runs with HM slaves before

He's not. He's saying that Pikachu can handle Misty. Unless you're doing a Pikachu only run, or just decide to overlevel Pikachu, it can't handle Misty by itself. At most it can take care of Staryu.

>>4434350
I ALWAYS chose Bulbasaur.

>>4437167
well if you boost too much the game willl overflow. going above 1000 in a stat will make it ignore the thousand. ie: having 1056 special attack in a battle is 56 special attack according to the game.

>>4441218
no, it really does max at 999. iirc the only way to overflow a stat like that is held item boosts in gsc (eg marowak with swords dance and thick club)

>>4441218
>>4441932
BEJITA

>>4436441
Isn't what you're supposed to do is Leech Seed and spam Sleep Powder at everything, then Growth/Solar Beam for OHKOs?

not really a pokemon expert here

>>4442353
Razor Leaf is much more powerful since it's a 55 power 95% accuracy move that always criticals this gen (for Venusaur anyway, and yes it's a 99,61% chance wtvr).

And although criticals are a bit less than x2 damage (depending on your levels) it's still way stronger than what you suggested. You're almost firing a Solar Beam every turn with no setup

>>4442365
ok thanks pokemon expert

>>4442382
The best moveset you can teach Venusaur if you don't mind wasting TMs that you can only find once is Razor Leaf, Body Slam, Sleep Powder and Swords Dance. By a wide margin

Speedrunners have proven Squirtle is by far the best starter for beating everything in the game.
They have also proven throwing your starter away for a male Nidoran is an even better option.

just as an fyi, i ordered those chinese bootleg pokemon carts from ebay (the $4 ones) and so far they seem to be fine. the cart is clearly faked and it just says GAME, so dont expect to fool anyone.
Whats shitty is that of the three i bought, 2 had dead batteries on arrival lol

>>4442438
Can't deny that

I know Totodile is the fastest for second gen (except some of the legendary dogs with Master Ball manip), but do you know if it's true that Geodude has even more potential with extreme luck?

>>4434350
Toxic leech seed combo is the deadliest shit in the game and razor leaf always crits. Pretty fucking deadly right here.

>>4442457
Not so deadly when the Elite 4 has full restore crap

I picked Cyndaquil for Gen II. Did I fuck up already

>>4442467
Doesn't toxic + leech speed cumulate and multiply on each other in gen1?

>>4442479
Of course, the series is super hard as everyone knows. Pick Totodile or you'll be murdered by Route 30

Nah, just chill

>>4442487
Yes, but full restore heals not only HP, but also status effects

>>4434350
I did my first time through. The manual stated that the first three gym leaders would be

Brock: Rock pokemon
Misty: Water pokemon
Lt. Surge: Electric pokemon.

Grass is good against all three, and I figured that whatever my starting pokemon was going to mean less and less as the game progressed and I had greater access to whatever I ran across.

>>4434350
Yeah but with a lvl 8 bulbasaur you can skip this faggot that blocks your path & MT. Moon making bulbasaur the best pokemon ever. Then you can revisit Brock later in the game when you have a lvl 128 missingno and murder his geodude.

>>4440159
Not 100% jackass. Anyway, fast Charzard is better.

>>4442718
retard

>>4442893
How does that work?

>>4445058
For single player it's hard to say. In competitive 1v1 Venusaur is the best, though.

IIRC it was the only one on BL in the Smogon/Pokémon Online tiers, while Charizard and Blastoise were UU

For people who don't know what I'm talking about:

There's a community of Pokémon players battling online with their own ruleset and on different generations through a simulator where you make your team, you only fight and there's no grind.
They make separate tiers so they can have different and more balance formats.
In first gen, they have these:
Uber: Mew and Mewtwo, the two Pokémon you're not allowed to use anywhere since they're overpowered
OU (OverUsed): Here are the most powerful Pokémon you can use; stuff like Tauros, Snorlax or Alakazam. You can also play anything else if you want
BL (BorderLine): These are less powerful though still powerful enough so they can't be used if you play on a lesser tier. Other than Venusaur here we have the Nidos and Raichu
UU (UnderUsed): If you play on this tier you can't use anything above. You have Charizard and Blastoise, but also fairly powerful stuff that gets murdered by psychics like Polirwath
NU (NeverUsed): Again, you can't play anything above this tier here. The Pokémon here are the least powerful full evolutions, anything not listed above.

They also hace some Little Cup stuff where you can only play preevolutions with some restrictions IIRC

>>4434350
I picked Bulbasaur because my friend who had Blue picked Squirtle and I wanted a type advantage against him. So basically I'm Gary Oak.

You can beat the game with any starter and just use other pokemon for HM slaves. If you only use one you end up being so over leveled even opponents with type advantage crumble.

>>4442467
>attack blue's starter for 90% health
>he uses a potion the same exact turn i made the attack, something a player is incapable of doing

I dont know why the game went out of its way to cheat, all for 20HP

>>4445901
I've played this shit countless times and didn't know this could happen, what the hell

Pokémon is pretty famous for cheating. Some bosses have Pokémon at impossible levels (while at the same time spamming trainers with level 255 Caterpie)

>>4445901
That's less "cheating" and more that the AI is just dumb. It'll randomly try to use potions even at full health, you just won't notice because it'll fail and choose a different action instead.

>>4445924
Practically everything is random. Playing rby on emulator with rewind is interesting.

>>4445924
Man, this game is such a glitchy mess

>>4445156
Just to add to this, outside of the Uber tier, the ranks aren't necessarily based on the strength of the pokemon, but its use. Some pretty shit pokemon are in high tiers because they have one strategy they're useful for, and some pretty strong pokemon are lower tier because a few counters in the higher tier threatened them too much or do their role better.

>>4445924
Actually, it looks like I was wrong. Rival does check health level before attempting to potion. Only Blaine doesn't.
http://wiki.pokemonspeedruns.com/index.php/Pok%C3%A9mon_Red/Blue/Yellow_Trainer_AI#Modification_3_.28Good_AI.29
Still random, in any case.

>>4445901

I had the hardest time in Pokemon Stadium 2 because of physic AI that would switch out pokemon based on what action you selected.

>>4445945
Same guy here:
Also some are in lower ranks even if they are pretty solid just because they are slightly outclassed. Blastoise is one of these cases, it's too generic as a tanky water type and even if it's not bad, it also doesn't have a particular niche

Though that usage stuff became a bit bullshit after third gen ended (fourth gen onwards), but I won't go into detail since it isn't /vr/ stuff

>>4445954

Am I right in assuming that pokemon's competitive meta is complete bullshit and I should play other competitive games?

I'm talking in a basically objective sense where you assume I'm somebody with no biases and is equally interested in every competitive scene.

>>4445959
Pokemon competitive is dumb as fuck. You should play basically any other game that's actually designed and balanced for competitive play.

>>4445961

Okay thanks.

>>4445959
>>4445961
Long time player here that left after I got fed up with the Smogon meta around gen 4 (and when I saw what became of it at 5 I just shivered in disgust).

Even though it CAN be fun, there are WAY too many problems with competitive Pokémon.

1. Pokémon is only good PvP by accident at best, the devs don't do shit to balance it out or improve it concsiously
2. Since the official format (VGC) is such a big piece of shit and has been basically forever, the community is fragmented and there isn't a good really agreed upon format. And Pokémon without formats is trash, it quickly devolves into using a few OP legendaries like RBY Mewtwo
3. The closest agreed upon format is Smogon but some players such as myself disagree with them and dislike their formats
4. Even if you like it, you're doomed to play on unofficial serves through a simulator or die grinding for a good team in the official games. VGC players will usually edit their saves and hack their teams to avoid this.
5. And even THEN there's a bit too much RNG involved

For the games I played in Pokemon, I chose Squirtle in the first one because turtles are awesome. I called him Sheldon.

In other games (and I am not a Pokemon buff so I don't know the names), I chose the cool hip lizard thing, the fire monkey, the penguin and in this latest one I think I chose a frog thing. Probably skipped a generation or two.

I know I skipped the one with the weird looking otter water pokemon, though there I'd choose the fire pig.

>>4445974
>1. Pokémon is only good PvP by accident at best, the devs don't do shit to balance it out or improve it concsiously
Thank fuck for that. PvP balance involves complete and total segregation of PvP and PvE in terms of what abilities can do and that is its own nightmare

>>4446125
I know, Pokémon is, if that, balanced around PvE. This isn't a bad thing for the series itself, but it detracts from the competitive aspect and that's why I mentioned it.

>>4445183
Gary chose a Squirtle, goof.