/vr/ - Retro Games

I've been considering buying a 480p CRT PC monitor for my Dreamcast (and some non /vr/ consoles like Xbox and Gamecube/Wii), but I'm not sure it's worth the effort. My living room TV luckily has VGA input, and it doesn't look bad.

Does 480p content look much better on a CRT compared to an LCD? Are there any particular models or brands I should keep my eye our for?

I've already got a fantastic professional monitor for 480i & 240p content. As nice as it would be to have a multiformat monitor, I just don't think it's worth paying the price difference when CRT PC Monitors are readily available.

Got this, anyone know how get rid of all the pink? It's the cable not the TV btw

>>4402153
>get rid of all the pink?
Add green

Tell us more about the setup and we can advise. You're not giving us much to go on.

Image produced by twenty year old Dell D2026T-HS. 20" display with 7000:1 contrast ratio.

finally figured out superwide modelines B)

>>4402448
looks awesome

>>4402106
A lot of folks, myself included, think 480p is the 'cutoff' point for when LCDs are acceptable, if not preferred. DC, Xbox hueg, and GCN all look great on an LCD. It's really a personal preference.

>>4402409
What setup?
It's a PC Engine Briefcase with a modified Din 8 to Scart port in the Interface Unit.

Should I buy a Sony Trinitron PC monitor?
I already own an LG Flatron but since I can't find any BVMeme

Question: I have a RGB Scart cable but it doesn't automatically switch to RGB, do I need a fast blanking? Also how do I put 1 -3 volt on pin 16?

>trying to buy a pvm from ebay
>literally have money sitting waiting ready to go
>just need seller to say when to come get it

>they won't respond

AHHHHHHHHH CMON

>>4402815
I remember being in your shoes. I ended up giving up on eBay and just drove to pick one up. Gas money was cheaper than eBay shipping rates and bullshit prices.

People buying 14" PVMs for $200, people spending $100+ on PVMs that don't have RBG or component inputs, I just don't get it. Some autist paid $4k for a BVM-D20F1U plus nearly $200 in shipping just last week.

>>4402941
>BVM-D20F1U
you know that it's still usable for it's intended purpose, right ?

>>4402997
Comparable LCD BVM's sell for less, and will have perfect geometry. If we're talking about their original purpose, it would be pretty idiotic to spend that much on a CRT in this day and age.

Do modern LCDs still have motion blur?

>>4403034
Only cheap panels do, and even some budget brands are pretty decent these days. Faster pixel response times and higher refresh rates have solved most of the motion blur or ghosting issues people had with early LCD screens.

They're obviously still trash for standard definition content since internal scalers suck, but for high definition content it shouldn't be an issue.

>>4403043
Will I get blurry pixels on every sidescroller with modern 60Hz panel or do I need to buy some premium and expensive shit?

>>4403043
The most reactive panels are TN and overdriven to 11.
Current OLED also has blur because of sample and hold.

>>4403052
It really depends on the panel. A good TN panel with a low response time probably won't have any noticeable motion blur at 60Hz. However, as >>4403070, the colors leave a lot to be desired. Black levels in particular. They're fine for emulators imo.

If you're wanting to play with real hardware, it'll look like shit on pretty much any panel, if you can even get it to work at all. Your best bet for real hardware is an expensive external scaler/line doubler, or a CRT.

>>4403052
There are two sources of motion blur on LCDs, there's the pixel response time, and then there's the sample and hold nature of the display.

The first is mostly gone now with good quality TN panels, the second is still there unless you get a one that does strobed backlight (also known as LightBoost or ULMB), or simulating it by black frame insertion with a monitor 2x the refresh rate of your content. Can be reduced by going higher refresh rate, there's a pretty noticeable reduction in sample and hold blur going from 60 to 120+Hz displays

>>4402585
If your display doesn't have an option to force RGB mode, you will need to put the voltage in. Most common way is find a source of 5V, most consoles have it on their AV connector if they natively have RGB, connect that with a ~75 ohm resistor in series to the fast blanking pin, that'll set it to 2.5V.

>>4403006
Even OLED professional monitors are getting around that price now.

>>4403434
I have it on a modified PC Engine

>>4403434
>>4403579
I've took a photo of it.

>>4403649
Yep, your blanking pin is currently unconnected. What voltage is on the brown wire below the blue?

>>4402572
Well, you're missing the green channel somewhere along the line.

Trace all the connections from console to display to find out where it's broken.

>>4403665
5.5

>>4403924
try just jumping that to pin 16 (right of black, below orange)

>>4402153
It COULD be the resistance value on your RGB mod is incorrect.
When I modded my PC Engine, the red line needed almost twice the resistance of the blue and green lines before the colors were right.

For my genesis out of the closet. For some reason it only boots one game. Cleaned all my cartridges too. Sometimes I get the copyright screen then blackness.

Anyone had experience with the Panasonic Quintrix SR Acuity range?

>>4404101
>>4403667
Well funny thing is that I just tried a Neo Geo RGB cable that exactly fits, the original cable that came with it is much shorter.

>>4404093
so a cable between the brown one and pin 16?

>>4404118
The pin connector inside the genesis is prone to getting dirty and causing games to not read, or randomly freeze up if the system gets bumped.

I clean mine with a q-tip and 90% isopropyl. Had similar issues recently that are now completely resolved.

I know shinybow makes RGB>YPbPr transcoders but does anyone make a good YPbPr to RGB transcoder other than the Achmed bros?

>>4404473
Retrotek SCBV1P3. $60, 0 added latency, has worked with every console I've tried it with so far.

I bought one 2nd hand on eBay and it had a weird green tint over everything. I contacted the dude who makes them on eBay, and he fixed it for me for free.

He told me it's an issue with some older units on certain displays. All his newer ones shouldn't have that issue.

>>4404481
let me suck ur dick anon. thx

That's a RGB>component transcoder but they make the opposite which is just what i need.

I have been rocking CRTs for older consoles, well basically forever. My current setup is a Sony Profeel, PVM and some JVC professional monitor.

I have been thinking about buying an HD CRT for PS2, PS3, Xbox and 360

I have found an ad for a Samsung WS32Z409P which even has HDMI.

Is there anything to look out for when buying one? I heard some of them are upscaling 720p to 1080i automatically. I really don't plane to use my 240p and 480i consoles on it.

I know that this is not strictly about retro consoles, but I can't really go to /v/ for CRT advice.

>>4404583
What model Profeel?

>>4403371
>>4403081
Not really arguing against, just wanted to point out that a PC CRT running at 60Hz is still smoother than a top end LCD running 120Hz.

>>4405024
Depends what you mean by smoother, and whether the 120Hz is using black frame insertion and/or backlight strobing.

60Hz CRT should look pretty close to 60Hz strobed LCD or 120Hz with black frame insertion in terms of effective motion blur assuming a good TN panel.

>>4404583
We do all things CRT here, retro or not.

The emperor of HD CRT's are the very last Sony models. They're numbered differently in different regions. In Aus they're the KV-HR32 or HR36 series, in the US the XBR960 or 910, i think it is. They were also rebadged in the Qualia range, so look out for that too.

As for why you want one, they have the super-fine-pitch tube (no, not the one used on the early PVMs, the term was re-introduced) and basically they have *twice* the TVL of the next model down. The marking is on the front bezel, and that;'s something to look out for. You won't ever see 720p or 1080i look better, and i'd put their 1080 higher than any 1080p image i've ever seen. They have a huuuge range of service menu options for convergence and geometry to keep you calibrated.

They also look great for 15kHz content, believe it or not.

Their only downside is that they have long phosphor persistence, but they shit on everything else out there, save the Toshiba 32JW9UA or 36JW9UA and those are a clear second.

>>4405027
>should
But sadly doesn't come close. Try it on a twitch shooter and see :)

>TN panels have shit colors and view angles
>IPS have shitty glow and response time
>VA have good contrast but shit everything else
>OLED will never get fixed
>QLED is another HDR tier meme
>All +60Hz monitors are "premium gaming" shit that's expensive for no reason
>Propietary anti-blur technology that should be on the monitor instead of your nvidia gpu
>SED died for this

J U S T

>>4405039

They also have input lag, around 2-3 frames last time I checked. This is due to the fact it doesn't display 240p/480i , but line doubles/triples to 720p/1080i through Sony's DRC (digital reality creation) function. It does some mickey mouse trickery upscaling.

With that said the convergence and sharpness on my Sony KV-32HS420 is pretty damn good. I haven't used it in years, but if the native input lag of 2-3 frames could be removed it would be a beast. Throw a scanline generator on there and you would have a nice big 480p/720p CRT.

>>4405039

They also have input lag, around 2-3 frames last time I checked. This is due to the fact it doesn't display 240p/480i , but line doubles/triples to 720p/1080i through Sony's DRC (digital reality creation) function. It does some mickey mouse trickery upscaling.

With that said the convergence and sharpness on my Sony KV-32HS420 is pretty damn good.

I haven't used it in years, On my HDCRT there are no scanlines on 15khz stuff.

With that said if someone could figure out a way for it to display interlaced content natively and remove the input lag it would be a pretty nice monitor for gaming. From there just add a scanline generator.

I may be able to pick one of the following monitors soon :
Iiyama HM204DT
Hyundai Q995
Opinions ?
Iiyama :
+ BEEG (22")
+ stand has USBs, speakers and heaphones jack
+ 142 khz / 200 hz / 390 mhz
~ AG (already have 3 AGs, 2 video monitors, 1 PC monitor)
- BEEG (nearly as wide as my FW900, while still being 4/3, 30kg)

Hyundai Q995
+ Nice looks IMO
+ 19" in a 17" shell apparently
~ DynaflatX tube (what is it ? AG ? SM ?)
- 95 khz / 150 hz / 202 mhz

Being the size whore that I am, I'm very tempted by the Iiyama, but, I do want a bit of tube variety.

>>4405173
>but line doubles/triples to 720p/1080i through Sony's DRC (digital reality creation) function. It does some mickey mouse trickery upscaling.
Everything is scaled to 1080i/540p, including 720p on the sets that support it.

They're nice for 480p+ content, and treat 480i decently enough, but 240p suffers pretty badly.

>display interlaced content natively and remove the input lag it would be a pretty nice monitor for gaming.
Flipping the HDPT toggle in the service menu bypasses a decent amount of the DRC for native 1080i content (only over HDMI) and apparently does reduce the delay a bit, but I have no idea by how much and it can lead to visual interference problems,

>>4405185
Variety is nice, but you'd be passing up what is one of if not the best possible PC CRTs out there in terms of straight up specs. It's a Mitsubishi 2070SB/NEC FP2141SB rebadge, possibly with a few tweaks done by Iiyama to warrant the ever so slightly higher listed horizontal and vertical sync frequencies (142khz instead of 140, and 200hz instead of 160) but it might just be them pushing the same electronics harder for better or worse just to say theirs is better.

Shit.
Either my cable, or my input is broken.
When i plug my ps1 into my trinitron, it needs a lot of wiggling to get the proper video and audio. Sometimes it starts flickering in strange way, like it isnt updating at the right speed and it only uses red, green or blue when this happens.
I don't have any other cables or TVs to test it with, so I can't tell if its my TV or cable thats broken.
So now I'm looking for a new scart cable, and I need some advice. Haven't bought this shit since i got the console in like '98. My setup requires me to split audio from the scart lead out to a separate audio system, and I'm having a hard time finding a proper cable that can do this.
Would getting a component and using an adapter for scart significantly impact video quality?

Got into the service manual but im a little overwhelmed by the 120 options. There seems to be like 15 just for positioning alone. Its not terribly off but its enough to cut text off in some games.

>>4404093
So just put a cable between the brown one and pin 16?

Did Sony make any 19" curved Trinitron TVs with S-Video in?

I saw this CRT with SCART inputs being sold on this shop.
It was apparently made in Romania but they bought it in Japan.
And it apparently works with NTSC sources.

Now, my problem is does it support RGB on it's SCART input?
And how will I know what kind of sync does it take? How do I know if it supports CSYNC?

And is it worth it even if it's from a relatively unknown Romanian brand?

>>4406653
Ya.

>>4407167
Any SCART should support RGB by specification. Sync is supposed to be composite 1Vpp, luma or 0.3-1Vpp csync also work.

Finally got my genesis on my PVM-1953ST setup :^)

>>4407167
>Romanian CRT
Is this the beginning of another epic spampasta to rival the Filipino HDCRT and SCPH-5903 ones?

>>4407810
Nope, that's not spampasta.
And that Samsung CRT isn't an HDCRT.

Picked up a free trinitron. Composite only, convergence is way out on top corner, but hey, free.

Managed to find a nice Toshiba 27A32 at a thrift store yesterday. It's in rather nice condition and other than some convergence issues on the right side and a rather aggressive overscan it looks fantastic.

Is it just me or do all Toshiba CRTs seem to suffer from convergence issues on their right side?

>>4408124
Colors seem to be getting washed out by my phone camera sadly but it's really vibrant in person.

Using the HD retrovision component cables.

>>4407231
>>4404093
Thanks man, works now

My screen is too far to the left. Is this a game by game basis or is something I can do to fix it

What tags do you use when searching craigslist ?

>crt | "cathode ray" | "tube tv" | "not a flat screen" | trinitron | free tv | "sony bvm*" | "sony pvm*" | Old tv | "Sony XBR"

Is what I'm using now.

>>4408232
Unless you can find a service menu for it, which is unlikely, absolutely nothing can be done.

As OLED becomes more available and refined, flatscreen technology finally catches up to CRTs in terms of image quality. Would /crt/ consider an upscaler + OLED option as a viable option from an image quality standpoint?

>>4408662
The only thing I can't stand about modern displays are the lack of contrast and motion blur
I couldn't give less shits if my pixels are blocky or scanlined

OLED, if they ever fix the burn-in, solve the contrast problem, but it's still a sample and hold display so it'll have motion blur.
I guess you could use something like BFI assuming they reach 120Hz and are bright enough

>>4408684
OLED doesn't have to be full sample and hold, strobing is possible at the cost of brightness/wear, which is what the Oculus Rift does, 90Hz that's only lit approximately 10% of the time.

>>4403034
Yes
If you want to get rid of motion blur you need a ULMB/Lightboost/BenQ Blur Reduction Monitor which has strobing. Few models support 60hz strobing however and 60hz flicker is more annoying in these than CRT's because they use Squarewave method while CRT's use Gaussean Beam profile

Ignore the faggots who say modern LCD's have no moiton blur, they have no idea what they're talking about.
To get CRT-like motion clarity you need low persistence and the only way to get low persistence blur in an LCD is to buy an LCD monitor which support strobing.

I am sick of people spreading misinformation about this fucking bullshit. Response times mean jackshit in the grand scheme of things when it comes to motion clarity and the most important thing is the persistence.

>>4405039
Widescreen BVM's are still better

>>4408713
Still fixed pixel though and there's still input lag(if manufacturers cared they would eliminate it down to microseconds but they don't)

Does anyone else here ever worry about their CRTs dying, and have a solid backup plan? I've got a small 14" composite only set that I was going to toss out after I upgraded, but I decided to stash it in my storage closet since I have the space to spare for it.

Getting an OSSC is starting to seem fairly appealing, because I know my monitor isn't going to last forever.

>>4409134
fixed pixels is fine when you can stuff so many into the display that you can't see them, which we're getting pretty close to with 4K desktop panels. Oculus is getting total lag from user input to display down to ~20ms, so the latency at the panel must be tiny, can't find any actual figures though.

>>4408478
ah ok. its not a huge deal, just want to make my CRT as optimized as possible

>>4402481
PS2 also supported 480p for some games like Shadow of the Colossus, Valkyrie Profile II: Silmeria, and God of War III.
It also supported 1080i for games like Gran Turismo 4 and the Japanese version of Valkyrie Profile II: Silmeria.

guys wtf
for some reason the video 1 is always stuck on screen

normally i forget its there after a while but i cant actually play some games because of it

any idea how to fix this nonsense?

>>4409334
whoops

anyone else have this problem?

does anyone else have an issue with the video setting constantly being on screen?

>>4409197
you and your kids will be dead the day crt are dead, no one would play snes,nintendo or sega genesis by that time, the same way no ones plays atari 2600 games or collecovision anymore

>>4408276
>meme
>m4m
>pozzed

So I'm looking into getting a monitor for Dreamcast, but having some difficulty; all of the ones that I've found have had built-in VGA cables, which don't mesh well with the VGA cable that I got for the system (that is, one of the ones with a plug for the DC on one end and male VGA on the other). If I got a female-to-female VGA adapter like this:

https://www.showmecables.com/hd15-vga-female-to-hd15-vga-female-slimline-gender-changer?gclid=CjwKCAiA9MTQBRAREiwAzmytwxdUapHNB38fad8ZiIeB-dSAzD3ExGWooDcaNwAHTD0_WAVt6lDz2RoC0g0QAvD_BwE

and just connected those, would there be any issues/lag? Do I just have to save up for a box?

Maybe not retro but CRT: what do you guys say is best for 360? Component on CRT or HDMI?

>>4409481
That type of adapter should work and will not introduce any additional lag.

>>4409347
there's probably either a button on your remote or somewhere in the TV's menu to turn off the labels. Look up the user manual if you can't find it by fiddling.

Also, to get your photos from your phone to rotate correctly, put them through an image editor app, 4chan strips all the metadata including the display orientation.

>>4409506
Aha. Thank you much.

>>4409503
Lots of options for the 360, could go consumer HD CRT over component or HDMI/DVI/VGA for later models that have them. PC CRT over VGA. HD PVM over component. Or could go for a modern display.

>>4409513
ah, thanks for both the tips

Any resources to find equivalent model TVs across countries?

I believe I've bought the Australian equivalent to the Sony KV-32FV310 and it looks very similar from pictures, but I can't make that connection on my own. The model number on mine is KV-AR34M36

Is it a general rule that VHS CRTs are low quality?

>>4409370
Tons of people play Atari and Coleco all the time.

is 480i really that bad?

>>4410194
No. 480i on CRTs can look great. Most PS2 games are 480i only and I think they look really crisp on a CRT, although there is a little bit of jitter.

>>4410198
the interlacing is barely even noticeable.

>>4409212
>fixed pixels is fine
Not for retro gaming it's not. Upscaling will always look worse than the original resolution.


>Oculus is getting total lag from user input to display down to ~20ms
Those are trash figures. My Sony TV has 14ms.
That can't be right.

That ZISWorks DYI 480hz Monitor has only microseconds of lag so lag-free LCD or OLED is totally doable

I have a Sony Trinitron KV-4000 that I stupidly broke many years ago by plugging in the wrong power adapter (reversed the polarity). If you're not familiar, this was Sony's smallest full color consumer CRT. It's also one of the highest resolution screens (in terms of DPI) that was available before the modern HD era. It has a beautiful mid-century space age design to match the beautiful picture tube. Sets like these once graced the desks of top Sony executives.

What could I have done to brick this thing? For a long time I held out hope that there was a simple blown fuse in it somewhere, but I've never been able to find any evidence of that. A service manual and circuit description exist, but I can't find them anywhere online.
Once again, it's meant to be powered by 12VDC and I plugged in an adapter of the correct voltage but opposite polarity (so I gave it -12VDC) right before it stopped working for good, many years ago. Would something like that cause capacitors to die? What should I look for to repair this?

>>4409952
That sucks.
Glad you can get those fuckers for free here.

>>4410769
Most likely a blown fuse. Next likely one or several blown regulators or other components in the power supply section.
Check the schematics of your TV and the power adapter. If the TV expects the adapter to give it a regulated voltage you may have destroyed something important.

>>4410824
Shouldn't the fuse be near the place where the power adapter plugs in? And I don't know where I'll find circuit descriptions since I haven't found them online anywhere. The best I've found are some partial disassembly pics like this on a handful of websites. Would a university library have service manuals etc? I have no idea where to look for that kind of thing.

>>4410863
>Would a university library have service manuals etc?
Unlikely. Manufacturers usually don't publish service manuals to the public. Maybe back in the 50s-60s they did.

>>4410872
How do you get them, then? Library of Congress? A lot of people ITT must be using service manuals to calibrate their CRTs.

>>4410879
Someone who works in a repair center copies the manual and uploads it. Or a repair shop goes out of business and someone snatches the manuals and tools for cheap.

has anyone ever made any Gerber CAM files, .brd, or .kicad_pcb board files for this schematic? I wanted to get the boards printed so they could be really easily cloned.

>>4410823
you can get kids for free anywhere anon

Give it to me straight doc is she going to be okay

>>4410918
Yep, I've designed a board for JVC RGB/YPbPr input, as well as transcoders for RGB to YPbPr and YPbPr to RGB and VGA level adjustment, currently waiting for boards arriving from china.

>>4411706
that's neat.
gotta careful when inserting tho, the card could snap.

FR4 is pretty tough, shouldn't be an issue.

>>4411706
What circuit are you using to transcode RGB to YPbPr?

>>4411812
Opamps + comparator for sync extraction

>>4411706
>>4411862
whoah, both those are far too cluttered for me to follow. In the second diagram, is the whole U2 circuit just for producing luma? And the U3 for Pb Pr and ... doing what to Luma? Is U3 out1 connected to R48?

TY for sharing, though :) Will you be selling these? Or perhaps making more resources available online?

>>4411903
yeah, they're not pretty schematics.

It's based off Linear Technology's design here, http://www.linear.com/solutions/1311, modified so that it can run off a single supply, can remove DC from the input signal, and adds in sync.

U2 buffers the incoming RGB+sync and sets the DC level, the three resistors to the right of it combine the RGB together to give 2*Y

U1 generates sync just by comparing the sync against a reference voltage.

U3 is four opamps, first is used to just buffer the 2*Y, then one each to generate 2*(B - Y) and 2*(R - Y), and one for 2*(Y - sync), all done with a difference amplifier configuration that halves then doubles the output, there's probably a smarter method way that'd cut down on the number of resistors.

The resistors near the connectors provide 75 ohm termination and reduce the B-Y/R-Y levels down to the consumer standard for Pb/Pr.

I do intend to sell them, will post details here when the boards have arrived and I've verified they do what I want.

>>4411706
very cool. I've wanted to clone the pcb, solder on the small components, and sell them for much cheaper than ebay shit.

Anyone find anything in Michigan?

I actually found a guy selling some but at full retail $200-$500 he quoted me.

>>4412781
There's a few guys in Ohio and Indiana that sometimes have pro monitors, but I haven't seen anything in MI specifically.

>>4413234
That's a good $120 in gas. Fuck that
Thanks though. This is the guy I called.
I would offer him $100 for whatever he has and see what he says. He's an older guy so hopefully he gets lazy and doesn't want to haul it to UPS.

>Address: 32311 Stephenson Hwy, Madison Heights, MI 48071
Hours: Open today · Open 24 hours
Phone: (248) 585-9696

So let's talk sega master system 2. Is there any way to get rid of jailbars on blue background over composite?

It's already RGB modded but I don't have anything to hook it up yet (no framemester or other adapters and no pvm). I plan on buying something but it's gonna be a bit.

My SMS2 works on composite also, but has bad bad jail bars on blue and slight on yellow. I hear you can cut pin 6 on the video chip to get rid of jailbars, but then you can no longer have component or svideo.

I can live with the yellow jailbars, but the blue ones are very strong.

Any ideas?

>>4413312
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXAzdVFcRIY

>>4413341

Thanks for the link, I've seen it but it really doesn't fix the issue of jailbars on blue. I realize I could just get a model 1, but I'm kind of attached to the SM2 I have. I'm hoping for info on a specific issue, getting burnt out on google and translating portuguese sites lol. I was hoping someone has dealt with this issue before.

Or, alternatively, how can you minimize jailbars on any console with a CXA1145 video chip?

>>4413362
>I realize I could just get a model 1, but I'm kind of attached to the SM2 I have. I'm hoping for info on a specific issue, getting burnt out on google and translating portuguese sites lol. I was hoping someone has dealt with this issue before.

I just watched the video, It tells you. You CAN in the SM2.....if you want to take it apart and solder shit to the boards.

Or, you can get an SM1 or that converter on the genesis and get RGB......

>>4402054

>>4413362
The solution is don't run the RGB through the CXA1145, use a different amp such as a THS7374. http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?28736-RGB-Bypass-PCBs-for-MD1-MD2-SMS1-SMS2-NG-AES has a kit to do it

>>4413372

I know I can, and I already HAVE. The problem is, I don't have any rgb upscaler or PVM. I am currently stuck using either composite or s-video. I am wondering how to eliminate or reduce blue jailbars on COMPOSITE, not rgb. I have the RGB down, but cannot lift the pin on 50 until I have a setup capable of displaying RGB.

If there is no fix for COMPOSITE jailbars on blue, I'll just have to wait until I can play in RGB.

Thanks for the help, not trying to sound dickish typing in caps, just doing it for emphasis on the issue at hand.

>>4413402

Just replying to myself here. All else I can find says the subcarrier is the issue. Lifting the pin that controls component video is the only fix. I guess the subcarrier just oozes interference.

So, as far as I can find, the only way to get jailbar free picture would be to lift that pin, then run rgb to a composite converter (yuck).

I think what I'll do is use the rgb bypass board as it's better than the current method I'm using, then something like this: https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/c8BHkaSs to get component. I can do component now. I will have to find a clever and clean way to do this, Probably just make an external adapter so i don't have to shoehorn all this crap into the console. Having an external RGB to component converter would be nice anyway. I know you can purchase them, but I want to have some soldering fun.

I have two CRT's, one 14" PVM on my desk, and a 27" Toshiba for couch games. Whats the best way to split 12 consoles, a vcr, and a laserdisc player between them, while keeping in mind that some are component, but many are still composite (and would not benefit from modding, like the analogue signal from a laserdisc for example).

The solution I'm using now involves routing the video through too many devices and is creating signal degradation. Converting to scart would be pointless for me and would only create an expensive middle-man effect.

>additionally
Are the HD retrovision cables actually putting out YPbPr signal from the console, or is it some kind of conversion device? I've been gone for awhile and last time I was here they were still a kickstarter project. Neither my snes nor genesis are putting out component video at the moment.

>>4413879
the best solution would be a big matrix switcher like an Extron Crosspoint

The HD Retrovision cables are a simple RGB to component converter inside the box halfway down the cable.

Had to stop using my 37' toshiba because of space. Using a little flat screen insignia I've had forever. I could get a Sony 27 inch tube for 20 bucks or free around me but I don't think they are anything special. What is the most common "upper tier" model or does none of it matter if they are all just consumer grade?

>>4413879
>Are the HD retrovision cables actually putting out YPbPr signal from the console, or is it some kind of conversion device?

Saturn outputs composite, s-video and RGB natively. The retrovision cables use a converter.

>>4413879
>>4414072
I just found a nice Toshiba Color stream, do you guys have this model? (2004), or older?

I believe it's a 32AF44

>>4414238
Damn Toshibas are falling from the sky for me today. A 14" just popped up. She would only go as low as $10. I'm gonna grab it.

anyone in michigan want a fw900 for $500? great condition and I love the monitor, but fair warning, it's huge and takes up more space than you'd anticipate.

>>4413272
Jesus, what do you drive? Some kind of tank?

I drove father than that to buy a PVM once and I only spent about $80 on gas round-trip. Was still much cheaper than eBay prices.

If you can manage to talk the dude down, that's a better option, but eventually have you consider that spending a little money on gas might be worth it in the long run.

Either way, best of luck to you. If you can talk him down, you should buy as many as you can and sell them to fellow autists for profit.

>>4414324
>500 clams

Yeah, no

>>4414278
I don't like those toshiba sets at all, they are made to look like the higher quality lines from better brands but the line count is shit. Like 350

Panasonic and JVC had way better tubes than Toshiba. The last JVC I picked up (I'Art) had 750 line count

composite does not suck.

>>4414560
Its a pretty nice set for 14" I'm still looking into getting a large TV.

>>4414324
kek I just bought one on ebay for $100 last night. $500 is a huge rip off

>>4414619
>Composite does not suck
as long as you're blind on both eyes or simple a retard

>>4414619
use the official snes svideo cables, and you will notice the difference, right away, playing with composite is like having vaseline all over the screen.

>>4414619
Virgin: masturbation does not suck

>>4414238
my Toshiba is one of pic related, I don't know the model number.
I'd replace it if I could find a similar sized flat CRT. Mine isn't quite centered, but that could be an issue with the direction its facing.

>>4413926
So after watching a few videos, my understanding of an Extron is this:
It will take in YPbPr from consoles with RCA to BNC adaptors (or specialty bnc cables), then be able to output to both my PVM and Consumer CRT if I wish, along with additional screens or devices if I want?

Is there a need to strip sync, or does it just function as a pass through? If I run S-video into a switchbox, then pull component from said switchbox (like this: http://www.laptopsolutiontech.com/SKU/O-E4457NR/4.jpg)) and input that to the extron, can it handle that signal?

Is the top bowing and top left corner fixable by adjusting the internal parts?

Service menu doesn’t seem to have the appropriate adjustment.

>>4405072
>J U S T

I somewhat agree with some of this. Nothing replaces the look of a crt. I have an Asus 144hz lcd, but even correctly at 144, it simply does not compare to my gdm-fw900 at 85hz. Overall, the lcd is great, but as a technology I just enjoy the colors and speed the cathode ray gives. 1280x800 on the gdm @ 120hz is vomit inducing. It is smoother than reality.

Perhaps I just am comparing two tiers of monitors that shouldn't be in the same battle.

My wife has some hokey viewsonic lcd I picked up at a thrift shop for $10. The colors are fantastic.

What will happen to gamers once they forget about CRTs? Was the push to move toward low power LCDs to actually save the power grid? What would happen to our power grid if everyone in the USA for example still had 2-4 large CRTs. By rights, the technology would be cheap, and large sets should be affordable....but the power consumption. I think the push was more for power savings on a factor. There is no other reason I can think. I just hate lcds.

Today I'm inmensenly sad because my best CRT was connected during a power surge and it will no longer turn on.
Is there any safe way of fixing it or should i just kiss it goodbye and throw it in a dump? its a NEC FE990 that i had for general computer use.

>>4415028
I'd be willing to bet it just blew a fuse in the power supply.

>>4415154
the power supply of the CRT? i really know nothing of electronic inner workings. you think i can take it to an electrician and have him fix it for me? i doubt electricians know about CRTs tho, and computer stores probably dont want to touch CRTs nowaddays unless they are REALLY specialized on old stuff...

>>4415163
Could technically just be a little replaceable glass fuse, could be something actually soldered in, no way to tell without opening it up or finding the schematics for it.

It's really nothing that should require specialty knowledge to repair, but the power section of a CRT is where you're most liable to actually get bitten badly by one.

This is admittedly a bit of a guess, but something like that not having a fuse or similar to protect it would be extremely shocking.

>>4415009
The real reason was savings on manufacturing and transportation costs. Also environmental, centering around the use of lead glass in the tube.

Power consumption is roughly equivalent to flat panels overall. Certainly not the massive bogeyman people make it out to be.

>>4414864
Extron makes a huge range of devices with different functions, the basic CrossPoint switches are just passthrough, you can provide your own converters as needed. A matrix switcher is useful as you can for example have multiple RGB sources going in, output to a converter to component, back into the switcher to be switched with other component sources then out to a display.

>>4410769
Why would you want such a tiny miniature screen?

For CRT's in storage; how often and long should one power on their CRT and warm up the tube for?
Also, is this even necessary? I feel like leaving it powered off for ages is not good for it

>>4412781

Where you MI bros from ?

I just got this from a craigs list add in Lansing.

It was in the girls basement and she just wanted it gone .. just had to go and drag it out myself.

>>4416970
I'm from Redford.
I'm seeing better condition sets from Facebook than Craigslist.

Found a nice JVC 36" actually.

>>4416865
I've gotten several CRTs that were in closets powered off for decades and they were fine

>>4415906
Autism. I have 2 9" portable trinitrons for no reason other than being retarded

>>4415906
>>4417040
I have fourteen for the simple reason that the input cards from a single one of them alone are worth more than I paid for the entire lot.

>tfw no room for a CRT

>>4417492
Not even a small one?

I have a quick question.

I managed to get a PVM-1350 for free thanks to my college computing department. I looked up some information about this model and it mentions 450 TVL. How does this stack up against a regular CRT TV? What about other PVM or BVM models?

>>4414238
holy fuck make sure you get the cabinet with that, that fits so well...

>>4417659
gonna be decently sharper than a TV

>>4410023
As an owner of a 14 inch CRT/VHS combo, I have mixed feelings. The picture is good enough, though scanlines aren't very pronounced. The biggest issue with my unit is the poor sound: Low frequencies are almost non-existant. The picture also distorts in high-contrast areas.

With an external set of speakers, it serves me well enough. Would like to get a larger CRT though.

>>4417301
no one wants to buy them though

>>4417992
HD-SDI is still useful in professional circles actually.

I might just daisychain the lot and build a fuck off vidya wall though.

Finally. Everything for $25, minus the game.

This is the cutest thing ever

what are some decent 21" or 19" COMPUTER CRTs easy to find on Europe? if they are from the 2000's better

>>4418293
Lacie Electron Blue

>>4418343
>Lacie Electron Blue
only found one and its like 110€ in ebay
im gonna look up random CRTs from my area in milanuncios and see if any of them is good

>>4418293
i see loads of Iiyamas

whats a common CRT that comes with DVI instead of VGA by default?
>>4418378
Not in my area, and i doubt a CRT would survive shipping nowadays

>>4417561
Maybe? What are some good smaller CRTs?

>>4403034
They sure do.
>>4403052
>Will I get blurry pixels on every sidescroller with modern 60Hz panel
Yes you will. You'd need a 120hz+ monitor with black frame insertion enabled to get rid of the motion blur. (And a rig fast enough to run the game at 120FPS minimum in the first place).
Even with all of the above it's still not as good at motion as a $2 CRT from the side of a road.
>>4405039
Those look awful when running low res 240p content and have huge amounts of input lag though.
>>4406704
Probably in the late 90s yeah.
>>4408662
>upscaler
Waste of money. Better off just using an emu + shaders.
>>4409503
HDMI and a decent plasma.
>>4410194
It's ok if it's filtered.
>>4417492
Yes you do. Do some cleaning/tidying.
>>4417659
Regular CRT running rgb/component will always look better than a PVM/BVM.

>>4418428
Sony KV-13FS100
Toshiba 14AFxx
Commodore 1084s
Phillips CM8833

I'm sure there are others out there, but these have either YPbPr (first two) or RGB (latter two). You could also use a PC CRT with a scan converter.

anyone gonna try GBS custom firmwares ? There's a lot of new stuff going on at shmups.

I wish I could, but I'm short on cash, will probably try in 2018.

>>4418428
My Toshiba is fucking great at 14"
14A43

>>4418442
shit opinions t b h

>>4418381
AFAIK there aren't any that came with DVI-D, only a few with DVI-A, which is just VGA in a different physical plug.

>>4418895
>DVI-A
good enough for me, its just so i dont have to use adapters.
and the quality is probably better too, or not?

>>4419264
You're seriously going to choose a monitor based on whether it eliminates the need to use a 2€ passive adaptor?

>>4419284
well chances are if its DVI its pretty high quality stuff right?
just like big monitors usually do more Hz and bigger resolutions, DVI monitors probably are pretty good or relatively modern
i dont even know what year DVI was introduced but if it isnt that common it must have been considered premium for CRTs right? correct me

>>4419287
There's absolutely zero difference between VGA and DVI-A in quality or capability.

14" crt tellys are so hard to find now in australia

How good is this screen?

>>4419474
>>4419475
>burnin' rubber
amstrad monitor I guess ?

>>4419482
yep

>>4419474
>slot mask
ewwww

>Will a normal window cleaner be fit for a CRT ? i >heard that the older a CRT is, the longer it takes to turn on, is this true
>i have a Sony Trinitron 200ES where the borders are a bit blurry even tho i cleaned it, is it damaged?

>>4419487
well, it was made for CPC content which is very low res. Gonna be a bit too low definition for even 16bit. Although mitebcool for SNES 256 res ; I wonder how 512 res would do on it, with like kirby 3 or Jurassic Park

Anyone know where to find info/manual on the monitor "COMPAL M553"? Can't find anything on google.

Anyone know what causes these slight wavy lines on Trinitron?

>>4419526
>Will a normal window cleaner be fit for a CRT ?
If it's bare glass yes, if it's got an anti glare filter it can damage it. Just use a bit of water if you're not sure.

>>heard that the older a CRT is, the longer it takes to turn on, is this true

If you're talking vacuum tube based sets, yep, for sets from the 70s onwards there's no real correlation.

>>i have a Sony Trinitron 200ES where the borders are a bit blurry even tho i cleaned it, is it damaged?

You may be able to adjust the focus.

>>4419678
Compal is mostly an ODM with their products sold under different brand names, your best bet would be try to figure out what it was commonly rebranded as.

>>4419790
Bright line of grid pulls B+ voltage down a bit, so next line is a bit narrower. Sets with better high voltage regulation will have less wobble.

>>4419645
CPC did have modes up to 640 pixels wide or 768 with border fiddling, mostly used for business text applications, so I'd expect it to be reasonable for 16 bit era gaming.

>>4419790
>>4419806

Thanks.

Is it unfixable?

Is keeping s CRT on standby bad for it?

>>4418151
That's a radio

>Buy 1000 line BVM
>Scanlines are so fucking thick you can't use it for any 240p games

I mean, 480i & 720p look fantastic on it, but you can tell nobody designed these games with scanlines like this in mind.

>finally get decent geometry on my Trinitron
>settings don’t save when turned off
>manual has no mention of how to save settings

I took a picture thankfully so I can keep adjusting, but it’s annoying. Has anyone else had the same problem?

I tried pressing the mute button, but I think that applied to a different set of models.

>>4419859
Recapping may help. It's not going to be noticeable for most images anyway.

>>4419959
Agreed, even my 17 inch PC monitor has thick scanlines that strain my eyes when playing 240p content.

Got this little guy for a dollar. Shitty tube and composite only but it's cute as shit and works fine for NES and Famicom shit.

>>4420093

>>4420093
Its got a vcr so thats nice

How does this look?

>>4420165

I finally got my hands on a PVM, it works great but I noticed that there is some "vibration" as if the image went up and down slightly, this also occurs while there is no video input (noticeable in the menus), I tried vertical hold but that didn't work, does anyone know what could be causing this?

Would having an HDTV positioned directly above of a CRT look unappealing?

>>4420515
have you ever even seen a crt before

>>4420165
looks like a really high quality set. you should take a shot from further away though, slot masks look like shit when you zoom in that close

>>4420591
interlacing isn't an inherent defect in crts

>>4421060
meant to quote >>4421008

>>4420165
RF/10

>>4420165
loooks like too much jpeg to tell.

If your have a modern computer motherboard (LGA 1151) and it has a VGA out port on it, is that useful at all for retro gaming and emulators?

Obviously if I hooked up a CRT it wouldn't be routed through the gpu but can't I switch over to it when I want to play certain roms?

>>4421767
If you're thinking of using a PC CRT monitor it's useful, can just plug it in and go. If you're thinking of using an SD TV/monitor, then it's tricker as PC VGA outputs usually don't allow the lower horizontal refresh rates needed without some driver trickery which is generally easier with AMD/ATI cards.

>>4421786
Thank you, and to be clear it's better this way, more direct and less input lag through this route over using a dongle right? And yeah I meant PC CRT monitor

>>4421834
A regular HDMI or DisplayPort to VGA dongle doesn't add any significant lag, it's fine too.

>>4421982
what's "significant lag"? Reducing lag is kind of a game of sums, so its worth it to shave off lag whenever you can imo

>>4422202
On the order of microseconds.

>>4421257
>>4421709
I'm on component now. It looks pretty good in person.

Trinitron Multiscan200ES owner here.
My screen had some grease spots so i cleaned it with window cleaner but most of the greasespots are still there. What product do you recommend for this crystal? also it has some small scratches in the mid-bottom part, is there anything i can do to "hide" them?

bros i need a profeel

>>4423023
Good luck bro.

can we gat a pastebin on "modern" PC displays? from the 90's and 2000's

>>4422690
>window cleaner
Unless you're sure that it's completely untreated glass, never use a window cleaner to clean a CRT. No harsh solvents or anything like that. You risk possibly dissolving protective/anti-glare coatings off the face of the tube or worse making them cloudy/splotchy.

At most, either a microfiber cloth or a slightly damp rag, maybe with a mild detergent on it and nothing more. In a pinch, I might use a bit of (just) isopropyl alcohol but even that is a bit much.

When you say grease spots, do you mean that the face of the glass is splotchy, with some darker spots and some lighter spots? If so, it's possible that a previous cleaning session may have ended up eating part of that anti-glare coating off resulting in the splotchy look. From there, the only real solution you have is to find a way to clean the rest of the coating off.

>>4423264
What would you want to see in such a write up?

>>4420017
This. With a big may on help, but most images wont show it up at all.

>>4422342
horseshit. Digital to Analog adss AT LEAST a frame of lag, and probably more in most real-world applications. As the anon you're responding to pointed out, it's a game of sums. You need the fastest converter you can get, the best joystick encoder you can get, nothing else plugged into the PC to upset the USB stack and all sorts of other things.

lol
>on the order of microsceonds
hahahahha

>>4423023
Where are you? A PVM-2130 or 2030 is the same thing, if that helps. Minor differences, i admit. Personally i'd go for a 2950 above those, and a megaview or like XM-29 above those.

>>4419909
Not bad for the tube or the cathodes or most of the rest of the set, but bad for the power supply section. Worse than leaving it powered off, at any rate.

>>4419452
Not where I am... which is Hobart, if that helps.

>>4423775
I obviously don't have any exact figures for it, but based on a test using the Wii U gamepad as the control(known 2 frame delay), running the HDMI output through a basic HDMI-VGA converter (Portta) into a PC monitor gave a consistent measurement of the monitor being 2 frames ahead of the Gamepad.

Microseconds? Maybe not, but it's well under 1 frame.

>>4423775
>Digital to Analog adss AT LEAST a frame of lag
HDMI-VGA converters are extra-simple DACs that will not add perceptible lag.

>>4423717
>grease spots
i mean some multi-colored spots that you can notice in some situations, mostly in the middle and in the leftmost side of the screen.

>>4423717
>What would you want to see in such a write up?
recommended monitors for general use, good 1600x1200 monitors, monitors capable of 160 Hz or more... common monitors that can do high refresh rate..

>>4423910
Here's a list of PC CRTs which can handle 15kHz signals.

http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/15kHz_SVGA_Monitors

Useful info for retro gamers I reckon, more so than high res dickwaving.

>>4423910
That sounds more like a list of stuff to buy/search for rather than an actual pastebin.

Perhaps something breaking down PC CRT stuff, and what to look for, but going "these are the good ones" sounds like a bit much...and rather difficult to do effectively actually.

There is a list of some good ones to keep an eye out for on /r/crtgaming's wiki if you want something that's already done. Not exhaustive by any means, but still something. There's also a google doc someone was passing around listing the specs of some higher end monitors, but it seems like no one wanted to contribute to it, so it hasn't seen any actual useful changes as far as I know.

>>4424167
>high res dickwaving.
well some gamers just want high res 4:3, and most semi-old games have a max resolution of 1600x1200 so big high res CRTs are probably the best way to experience late 90's to early 2000's Windows games.
also ive seen some poorfags buy CRTs just for the refresh rate even tho they arent interested in old games... and i dont blame them

>>4424397
Okay fair enough but it's pretty easy to find the maximum supported resolutions and refresh rates.

Sifting through to find the elusive few which handle 15kHz is much MUCH more difficult.

Anyone know what model TV this is? The post on craigslist says it's a sony TV. I'm wondering if it's SD or HD

>>4424510
Likely SD, if I'm not mistaken

>>4424510
>being this underage
My god

>>4424510
Shouldn't you be in school?

>>4423775
Adding a frame of lag is expensive, requires enough RAM for a framebuffer, which isn't necessary unless you want scaling or effects, which the adapters don't do, they'll store the absolute minimum data needed to do the conversion, should be well under a line of lag.

>>4424510

This has got to be fucking b8

>>4419959
they aren't that huge

>>4424772
You're right

The blank spaces between them are though

>>4402572
Slit your throat.

Can anyone explain to me like I'm retarded why Windows doesn't let me use low resolutions (like 320x240) and I'm forced to use super resolutions, while both macOS (with SwitchResX) and linux (xrandr) are fine with it?

>>4424559
thanks for not being a huge faggot. It was actually an EDTV with 480p so it's garbage

>>4424973
Damn; hard to tell from the pic, but yeah, ED CRTs are useless. Sorry hombre.

>>4424885
>windows

>>4424843
at twelve inches it's no issue at all bub.
how close are you sitting to your monitor?

What is this card for? Its apparently a BKM-120D, I dont know what it does though.

Just got a pvm 20m2u and get this weird rolling color image when I connect my Dreamcast via S-video. Anyone know what the problem can be? My PS2 works through RGB so the monitor isn't dead at least.

>>4425738
The image in the center is a reflection of my hdtv btw.

>>4425709
SDI digital input card, either SD or HD i'm not sure. If HD you can get an HDMI to SDI converter to use it if you want.

>>4425835
But what if its not HD? what goes in then?

>>4425835
probably SD though, in that set

>>4425836
SDI, of course. Look it up, it was only common on broadcast gear AFAIK. High quality but single cable.

>>4425848
ah ok. explains why I didn't know what SDI was.

>>4425738
You need to switch sync to internal when using svideo.

Not exactly CRT, but my intent is to play on my PVM over RGB. I need to get a SDMedia Launcher disc for GameCube, so I can load GBI on my PAL GC. Are SDMedia discs region free? Are there Action Replay discs with SDMedia installed that are region free?

$50
KV-32FS320
http://www.mediacollege.com/equipment/sony/tv/kv/kv32fs320.html
OEM Remote included

Said it's hardly been used over the years.
>"Hi, yes, I have the original remote and the owners manual, etc. It is in my rec room and rarely used. May get turn on once every few months. That is why I am selling it. no longer used in the house. Never was really used that much from day one."

I want to tell him $25 because I live 40 miles from him. It was posted over a week ago. What do you bros think?

>>4426396
Is that actually SD?

>>4426428
>>4426396
Lowest he is willing to go is $45 and meet me halfway...

>>4426428
Yes.

>>4426396
I wouldn't pay more than $0 for that. You can see some geometry problems in the picture. Everything people sell used was "hardly used". it's called lying

>>4425950
How do I do that?

>>4425993

Do you have a copy of Smash Melee? If so you can use that with SD Adapter like this

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F302274349688

and load Swiss, which can then load the gbi dol.

>>4427202
No I don't. My games are all NTSC anyway. I bought a PAL GameCube just for RGB Gameboy

What is the thing that sits above MANY CRTs that I see (particularly PVM) like
>>4407232

Has a NTSC GameCube way to play RGB/Component been found yet. I wish I could just stop with it and move onto my homebrew Wii completely by the Gameboy peripheral has the potentional to be so useful for myself. Could buying a PAL GC work?

>>4427503
Yes, you can use the official component cable, or the official D-terminal cable, or for RGB, modify either of them. Or there's the GCVideo third party clone that can do HDMI or component depending on what variant. All of the options are kinda expensive though.

You could also just get a PAL cube, they support RGB out natively (although not 480p if you care about that)

>>4427360
Is there a pal specific gba player? Or does it work for both ntsc and pal

>>4419959
sit back at a reasonable distance you dumb faggot. If you sat that close with any lesser monitor you would just be seeing blur instead of crispness. Why would you sit close enough to see blur?

>>4427647
Apparently the player hardware isn't region specific, can use either. The official boot disk is region locked, but really you should be using GBI anyway.

>>4427165
Press the "Ext Sync" button on the front panel

>>4427684
Shit, I've done that and nothing changed

>>4427702
Must be buggered then.

RIP.

>>4427704
Fml

>>4425738
That doesn't look like you're using the S-video input.

>>4427736
Dreamcast was plugged into "S-video in" when I got that screen

>>4427742
Non synced S-video should look black and white.

Got a composite or component cable you can test with?

>>4427642
I'm going to blow my fucking brains out trying to seek out a PAL boot-disc.

>go on ebay.uk
>a bunch of retarded sellers selling NTSC boot discs

Jesus Christ.

>>4427745
Not for my Dreamcast, no. Just tried my GameCube with S-video and it worked great, so I think my Dreamcast may be on its way out or something.

>>4409952
This is the best fucking thing I've seen in one of these threads in forever. Thank you.

What boot disc do I want to use for playing non-supported DC games through VGA?

>>4427779
Just use GBI. The official GBP disc isn't great for video quality since it's scaling to 480i out, and the framerate isn't quite right, GBA runs 59.72Hz, NTSC or PAL60 run 59.94, if you run the PAL region disc in regular PAL mode it's even worse, 576i50.

GBI can run an almost perfect 240p59.72

>>4427810
Check the cable is correctly wired if possible.

>>4427956
I know you said this earlier in the thread responding to someone else, but thanks a ton, man. You saved me a shit ton of money.

>>4428290
>>4427956
Which Action Replay thing am I going to need for this though?

>>4427959
I tried my friend's S-video cable from a different manufacturer as well with the same results.

The strange thing is that my Dreamcast worked with S-video just fine on my Wega a week ago. I can't say for sure until I test some composite cables but my Dreamcast is probably dying yay deal it's disappointing.

At least the PVM is working fine with everything else.

>>4428305
There are quire a few ways to boot homebrew on the cube, if you've got a Wii and some gamecube games easiest is probably a save game exploit, http://www.gc-forever.com/wiki/index.php?title=Booting_Homebrew

What's the concensus regarding the Sony KX-14CP1 around here?

Worth picking up?

>>4428968
I think the consensus is that everyone would really like to have one. It's one of my dream displays, anyway.

>>4429059
Cool, looks like I'll get it.

I see they were marketed by Sony back in the day alongside the Profeel range. Should make a nice triptych alongside my existing KX-20PS1 and KX-27PS1.

there's a discolored/dead pixel on a Trinitron I obtained recently. This is the best pic I was able to take, it's actually way more visible and it triggers my autism. I'm dumb when it comes to stuff like this, basically, there's no way to fix it, right? It's burnt out phosphor on the masking itself, or some shit, if my "research" wasn't in vain.
Damn, it would be so perfect if not for this. The picture isn't tilted even a little bit to the right like on most CRTs today. well, can't complain since it was free.

>>4429279
I don't see anything wrong here.

>>4429295
my picture is very, very bad and I can't make a better one because of my shitty camera. On solid backgrounds, so mostly 8-bit games, it totally stands out. But I mostly accepted it by now, I can't reverse a chemical reaction, if that is the cause.

The 14 inch and 20 inch Toshiba are the tits.

>>4429323
I always wanted that fucking clock. Can't believe you're still rocking it. Nice.

Are you really running that sega through composhit?

>>4429341
Component. Crt pics are hard.

Just got my Extron in the mail (pic related), noticed it was a little bowed in on the back panel, so I tested everything and found that the R input on #12 is bent and damaged, unfortunately I think it was like that prior to shipping at it was sold "for parts, as is". I've got a second one on its way, but I'm going to try and fix the broken connector anyways. I'll post results and some images of how this thing functions on the inside when I do.

Anyways, when converting S-video to BNC for use with it, would I need a breakout cable to separate the chroma and the luma signals, and then a second adapter cable to rejoin them when I output to my CRT and PVM? Or is BNC set up to handle both of those being input simultaneously over the same connection?
I ask since I can find S-video-to-BNC adapters as both just straight plug in pieces and as breakout cables. I'm assuming that without a breakout it would just join the two signals and essentially convert to composite, but thats just a guess.

>>4429323
Have the same monitors, they are pretty good.
(Both the 27AF42 and the 14AF42)
I think they are about the best consumer CRT you can get.

>>4429279
You sure it's not something on the glass? Burning an individual phosphor isn't really possible.

>>4429323
>>4429357
All good. I can't wait to get my bigger Toshiba

I'm so surprised that this guy isn't the main mascot of /CRT/

>>4412781
So far I got these three PVMs plus a Hitachi superscan supreme 20. All in Kalamazoo, $0 spent

I just had my wega trinitron moved to my new place. The guy used a moving sled but it took a few bumps. I never had any problems with it except very minor speaker bleed I believe it's called. Everything seemed fine but now it's making some static cracking noise even with nothing hooked up to it. It's not loud and was only happening every 10-15 seconds or so. It's coming from the front of the tv. Help please I love this tv

>>4430045
W t f .... When?

>>4430051
When I moved mine from a cold 37 Degree F, garage to my house, I let it sit for at least 3 hours before I turned it on. It still made static pops and I thought it was toast. Slowly but surely it all went away.

>>4430045
work at hospital it department and these guys are laying all over the place

>>4430060
>>4430084
replied to wrong post, but this was a few months ago

>>4430084
Try to get them or they will prob get thrown away one day

>managed to get a crystal clear picture of my TV
>was playing a ps2 game at the time so autists will sperg out if I post it

I can't seem to ever get a good shot of SNES or Genesis games.

>>4431021
spoiler it

>>4428968
i had the american version, pvm-1390.

was neat, the CMPTR rgb input sucked, had to make my own cable.

euro versions have scart, like in that pic.

>>4431076

>>4431092
REEEEEEEEEE

Also:
>he calls that "crystal clear"

>>4429505
>I'm assuming that without a breakout it would just join the two signals and essentially convert to composite, but thats just a guess.
Essentially.

Feeding S-Video into a Crosspoint would need breakout to feed Chroma and Luma into the R and G BNC connectors respectively, and then the same in reverse on the output.

>>4431116
>>4431092
If the image on the TV isn't edited in, I'd say that's a really good picture to get both the screen and the room decently exposed like that.

>>4431237
>If the image on the TV isn't edited in, I'd say that's a really good picture to get both the screen and the room decently exposed like that.
not OP but, HDR can do wonders for CRT room pics. But current HDR mode implementations are very slow so for moving images it's not great.

>>4429341
Nothing wrong with composite, it's what the developers intended when they designed the graphics.

I have an snes and a trinitron with component inputs (fv300).

What cables/adapters do I want to get the best signal? I will also have several consoles I want to go through component, but that's a several year project.

>>4431514
HDRetrovision cable (if they are in stock)
for more consoles, a long term solution would be SCART cables + SCART switcher + quality SCART-to-Component converter. You can get decent mechanical switchers, DYI one or buy a GSCARTSW.
Depending on consoles, you could also do component mods or native component to a component switcher

>>4431548
>a long term solution would be SCART cables + SCART switcher + quality SCART-to-Component converter.

This one. What is the best available options for each? I don't want to end up with some crap knockoff from amazon

>>4431563
that shinybow converter is highly regarded.
You can find some good mechanical switchers for 2 / 3 / 5 inputs for decently cheap.
For more inputs you need an active switcher. You can DYI one or get something like GSCARTSW but it's expensive.

>>4431583
This one? It looks perfect. I can swap the SCART input with each console. I'd rather do that than use a switch unless there's a reason this would be a bad idea.


http://www.ani-av.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=220
Great. What's the best or widely accepted SCART cable for an SNES?

>>4402448
>7000:1 contrast ratio.
Don't all CRTs technically have an infinite contrast ratio?

>>4431931
a well calibrated CRT (G2 is critical here) should have perfect or near perfect black level and so a pretty much infinite contrast.

>>4419959
Those scanlines look great tbqh, not too thick at all IMO

>>4431940
Lol I.

Do you have even the slightest idea of what infinity is?

Protip: The number of subatomic particles in the observable universe is "pretty much" as far from infinite as the number of fingers on your left hand...

>>4432205
Lolno*

>>4431940
Lolno.

Do you have even the slightest idea of what infinity is?

Protip: The number of subatomic particles in the observable universe is "pretty much" as far from infinite as the number of fingers on your left hand...

>>4432219

>4432219
you are (pretty much) an idiot

>>4432336
>>4432692
Check out the big brains on this pair.

Or is it a butt-rustled samefag?

>>4431082
Yeah the one I'm getting is Euro and does indeed have SCART.

Does anyone happen to know whether it'll take composite video (or Luma) as sync or will I need a stripper circuit?

>>4432762
Luma as sync should work on anything SCART

>4432758
you are a (pretty much) infinite idiot.

>>4431931
In theory they can be, in practise, no. Secondary emission will light up phosphors that should be near dark, you've got optical reflections, as well as any ambient light in the room, all decrease the effective contrast.

>tfw too used to CRT
>tfw can't play anything on an LCD screen because of the shitty response time
I just want clear panning

>>4432802

Can /CRT/ help me?

I got a Sony PVM 2130QM with composite inputs, S-video input and scart.

Plugging my Wii in with a composite to scart adapter works great.

But neither my NES nor SNES work. The best I can get with the NES is a purple image. I have tried both in line A and B with the bnc adapters and both with a scart adapter. I have looked through the manual and set the switches accordingly. I also tried an S-video adapter which did not work. Both consoles work on my modern flatscreen TV.

Any ideas what might be wrong?

>>4433652
>composite to scart adapter
eww

>>4433661
Why eww?

>>4433683
Elitism, ignore it

>>4433683
You already have dedicated composite video inputs on that monitor.

Also I'm pretty sure the SCART on the 2130 is only capable of RGB with composite SYNC, not composite VIDEO.

>>4433750
>composite SYNC
>composite VIDEO

What is this technobabble? I just wanted to play videogames :(

>>4433757
Sell (no, give) that PVM to someone who can make better use of it and buy a Retron.

Problem solved.

>>4433757

Autism. Just enjoy your games anon.

>>4433757
Just plug in your game consoles to a CRT you found on the street and you're 90% of the way there. I have 2 PVMs and I still play everything over RF on a 13" TV I got at goodwill.

>>4433793
He can't as understanding simple video hookups seem beyond the wit of this creature.

>>4433828
I understand it, plugging in composite for a wii and psx works, NES and SNES does not. All consoles work on my HDTV.

>>4433881
>HDTV

I have a 17 inch CRT PC monitor, which is a better setting, 1280 x 960 at 72 Hz, or 640 x 480 at 120Hz?

>>4433990
For what? Emulators? old pc games?

>>4433991
Yeah both. It's weird though, because most of my emulators go to 480p60 or 960p60 and the geometry's all fucked up.

>>4433996
for 240p stuff, you want 3840x240@120Hz + Black Frame Insertion
Retroarch has BFI and also Hard GPU sync for the lowest possible input lag

For old PC just use whatever you prefer, I like 640x480 myself because it still has some small natural scanlines

PC CRT monitors are the most versatile things for games

How come there is no PC crt guide, I would like to know which are good to look out for
I only have some shitty ones

>>4434018
It's basically the same
Sony Trinitrons are the best followed other brands somethingsomething-TRON
Stay away from "flat" screen because they will have unfixable geometry issues

>>4434026
This is starting to piss me off, I'm trying to get Kega Fustion to run in 240p at full resolution and I've tried everything, man.
>3840x240x120 nope
>321x240x120 nope
>640x960x60i nope
>320x240x120 close but no cigar

>>4434362
Just change your res on your desktop and run it in fullscreen from the start

>>4434371
direct3d errors and freezeups

>>4434376
What are you using to create the custom resolution?

>>4434394
Nvidia custom resolution
CVT timing

>>4434404
Have you tried with Retroarch?

>>4434414
What is this? What's a core?

>>4434435
nevermind, just try mednafen
if you can

>>4434450
So basically, there's no way to do this unless I have computer autism?

>>4434473
Anon, you're on a japanese anime imageboard, on a retro section, inside a thread dedicated to an old and discontinued display technology asking how to achieve a 240p mode on a display that was never actually designed for it.
If that doesn't sound even slightly autistic to you, then why are you here?

>>4434482
So true and incredibly well put. Hats off to you anon.

I, for one, would rather be (erroneously) labelled as autistic than be the kind of person who hooks up a Retron or similar to an HDTV and in any way considers the results acceptable.

That said there needs to be a wordfilter in place at this point...

>>4434026
>Stay away from "flat" screen because they will have unfixable geometry issues
that's not true for PC monitors.

>>4434880
Only because they are <22" diagonal and 4:3 format.

The same is likely true of similarly specced televisions.

>>4434026
>Sony Trinitrons are the best
false

>>4434887
flat tvs have much cheaper geometry, linearity and focus systems. A 14" or 20" is even more will likely to have these problems since that size is considered low tier or low budget.

OTOH you can't really work on a PC display with some kind of linearity distortion or with bad corner focus, and also tube length allows to minimize geometry flaws from flat screen. The only real (slightly) noticiable thing is damper wires shadows with AG tubes.

>>4434929
There are betters but he's not gonna find them
Trinitrons are easy to find

>$5? nah, i'll pass.
unsubscribed.

Are 120Hz panels any good?

>>4435126
I was like whaat, after seeing that he didn't buy that or the $2 little TV. You failed us Clint.

>>4435126
>>4436680
I always say that, but you gotta remember that the guy literally has a storage space rented out for all this shit he hoards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y29silThj1M

>>4429279

Degauss it. Few ways to do it. I did it with a magnet and a power drill. I got a 14" PVM for free that had some fucked up coloration on it. Degaussed and now it looks good as new.

I am looking for a PVM on Ebay and I need to know what search terms to enter.

I know Sony, JVC, Mitsubishi, Barco, Ikegami made PVMs.

Did Toshiba make any PVMs?
Panasonic?
Sharp?
Hitachi?
Phillips?
Any other brands?

>>4436876

Do your own leg work

https://www.ebay.com/b/CRT-Video-Editing-Monitors/21517/bn_155405

>>4436876
olympus (sony clones)
panasonic (some are JVC clones)
hantarex
NEC

>>4436886
just checked that link, and omg is this a new record for an 8" monitor?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/JVC-8-CRT-TUBE-COLOR-VIDEO-MONITOR-WITH-COMPOSITE-MOD-VIDEOGAME-INPUTS/112667392653?hash=item1a3b7ffa8d:g:cdQAAOSwQnNZ5D2H

>>4436892
There's a quite a few off-brands as well, like Sampo, and Samsung made some security stuff.

>>4415009
>tfw your CRT does 180hz
>only costs you 10$

>>4437062
$600 and composite only? youtube was a mistake

>>4437062
>JVC 8" INCH CRT TUBE COLOR VIDEO MONITOR - WITH COMPOSITE VIDEO/AUDIO IN AND OUT - SCREEN IS 8 INCH DIAGONALLY WHICH I MEASURED - THIS MONITOR HAS FULL SCREEN AND WIDESCREEN - YOU CAN PLAY OLD CLASSIC GAMES IN WIDESCREEN IF YOU CHOOSE TO

>THIS WILL ACCEPT 2 AV COMPOSITE VIDEO GAMES - GOOD FOR SNES SUPER NINTENDO, NES, NEC TURBOGRAFX 16 AND SEGA GENESIS, ANY CONSOLE THAT COMES WITH WITH AV COMPOSITE CABLES LIKE THE SYSTEMS I NAMED.

>MOST VIDEO MONITORS WERE DESIGNED FOR PROFESSIONAL STUDIO USE WHICH USES DIFFERENT STYLE AV CABLE, THOSE WILL NOT WORK WITH COMPOSITE VIDEO GAME SYSTEM. I HAVE BEEN THERE BOUGHT A MONITOR THAT I CANT USE WITH MY GAMES. :( UNTIL I FOUND THIS FANCY MODDED MONITOR. SINCE I LOST INTEREST IN NINTENDONT GAMES I'M SELLING THIS NOW. I ONLY PLAY 3DO NOW. :D

>WHAT CRT MONITORS IMPROVES ARE TEXT, YOU CAN READ THEM BETTER OVER NORMAL CRT TV TUBES.

>YOU CAN ALSO USE THE OUTPUT PUT THE SAME GAME SCREEN ON DIFFERENT TV, GOOD FOR 2 PLAYERS GAMES. SO THIS COMES WITH 2 INPUTS AND 2 OUTPUTS.

>MONITOR COMES WITH THE POWER CABLE AND OVERALL IS IN GOOD CLEAN SHAPE, 1 FLAW IS THE TOP CORNER LEFT AREA OF THE CASING WHICH I PICTURED WITH HIGH BRIGHT LEVEL.

>THIS IS 1 OF THE LAST CRT MONITOR TUBES JVC PRODUCED, SO SHOULD LAST FOR YEARS.

>MONITOR WORKS 100% PERFECTLY AS YOU CAN SEE WITH MY PICS. MY CAMERA NORMALLY CANT CAPTURE CRT TUBES WELL, THESE CAME OK, NOT PERFECT, I HAVE CRAPPY OLD CAM.
this is the actual item description

>>4437434
He's got a 5" Sharp POS listed for the same price.

>>4437091
What are some consumer sets that are 100Hz and over?
So you don't see motion flixer over 120?

I see lots of talk here, not enough CRT posting.

>>4427652
That's the goal, but is the action replay region locked.

Why is my PVM saying it's receiving 480i content when it's being sent 240p? Or do PVMs not have a display text for 240p

>>4438223
Because 240p IS 480i, just sent slightly differently so the fields overlay.

It's not a standard format, certainly not in the video production industry.

>>4438212
Don't think so.

Can I use a component switcher as a BNC switcher with those little head adapters?

>>4438627
BNC isn't an encoding format, it just a form of connector pin. So yes, if you have a device that takes BNC component and you have standard RCA-style component heads, you can run them through an adapter.

>>4435081
Can you name them?, just to know

>>4439018

They are being retarded. It's known and accepted that the Sony BVM HR Trinitron tube is the most technologically advanced CRT that was ever mass produced for the commercial market. If you "like" it or not is just a matter of preference.

>>4402481
What is GCN?

Is it bad to max out the contrast on a crt through the service menu?

Is this a good monitor?
Not sure what are those connectors in the bottom left, not sure if it outputs rgb

>>4439368
>not sure if RBG
>literally says R - G - B on the back

Really makes you think.

>>4439368
>Larping this hard
Faggot

>>4416865
The one I'm currently using wasn't powered on for 9 years straight and it works fine, although it needs to be refocused, but it can still be very bright

>>4439368
Those 1271qs are on the older side, mid-late 1980s. Should be a good monitor if in good condition. You get RGB inputs and outputs. VTR is a connector for video tape recorders, you'll never ever use it. The CMPTR port was for hooking up a microcomputer, it accepts analog RGBs so you can pretty easily hook up an RGB-capable game console to it with the right scart to dsub adapter.

>>4437791

>>4439215
GameCube Nintendo.