/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4417964
>Hello, I'm the best retro-dbz game
No argument there.

I don't

know what you're

talking about.

>>4417964
can't argue with this.

>>4417967
this is a good sceenshot, but it should have more varied characters. Like, 3 screenshots have the same Gotenks vs Fat Buu, 2 have Piccolo vs Freeza, and 2 have Gohan vs Cell. There should be some different pairings there to showcase the roster.

Maybe it could also use some of the other BGs, like the Namek one. But then you'd need a 4x3 (or 3x4) layout...

*slightly amused chuckle* I appreciate your boldness OP, but you couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

>>4417967
I will never not be impressed over visuals in that game.
It was PS1 tier.

>>4417998
hahaha what?

>>4417995
It's amazing how rushed this game was and how it shows. The animations look like something made in Fighter Maker, nothing connects and characters end up just flailing around. Final Bout COULD have been good if it had more time, less clones in the roster (so many Saiyans) more female fighters like 18 and less focus on GT.

not retro, but best DBZ game here.

>>4418012
Bruh

True patrician choice.

just kidding this game was the worst

I respect OP's opinion, as Hyper Dimension is really good, but the king of dbz games is still Butoden 2.

>>4418007
>and less focus on GT
GT was the next big thing back then, having so many GT characters made sense.

>>4418030
Overrated crap.

>>4418007
The reason Final Bout isn't good isn't because of the roster, the roster is mostly fine, it even has all the 3 big bad guys from DBZ.
The problem is that the controls fucking suck.

Not sure if its the best, but I still have my save file from 14+ years ago.

Nobody ever figured out who the three empty character slots were, did they??

What makes a combat fight game good?

>>4417995
>>4418007
>>4418041
Yeah the controls were the worst. So sad compared to Tobal with the Toriyama style, fluid controls and 60 fps. Then again, Tobal was made by former Virtua Fighter devs.

>>4418041
3 trunks
5 FUCKING GOKUS

>>4418048
No, I think that ultimately it was just straight up nothing. There wasn't anything there to unlock, anyway. Of course, the rumors of unlocking Yamcha, Tien, etc. were big back then on the gamefaqs board for the game.
At any rate, this game ruled, the novelty of playing as any character was really huge to me. Even shit like Guldo could be picked. I think before the Budokai Tenkaichi games, it was the DBZ game with the biggest playable roster.

>>4418030
The BT series are phenomenal as DBZ fight-sims and huge fanservice games, but as fighting games they're okay at best.
Super DBZ was made by some Capcom members that worked on SF2, and it shows.
Also, playable Chi-Chi

>>4418215
Budokai is best gameplay wise

>>4418003
Not him, but back then it was obvious the graphics were a good notch above what SNES graphics usually looked like.

Donkey Kong Country is another example of incredible-tier graphics on that machine.

>>4418048
this was the pseudo-card game one, right? it took me quite a while as a kid to figure it out and beat it. Really fun game even though it all comes down to bluffing and guessing when to dodge the big attack.

any retro dbz game that plays like supersonic warriors for the GBA?
and without the splitscreen they used to do when the characters were far away

>>4418987
DBZ 2 Super Battle on arcade/mame

>>4418987
the reality is that supersonic warriors play a lot better than the sufami games but nostalgiafags will totally deny that

This stage is so nostalgic.

>>4419002
>nostalgiafags
Like how you're nostalgic for SSW?
They all play differently and it's a matter of taste.

Obviously the objectively superior DBZ game is SB2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVnS_RcwMKo&t=147s

>>4418170
>GT Trunks, GT SSJ Trunks and Z SSJ Trunks
>GT Goku, GT Kid Goku, SSJ GT Goku, GT SSJ Kid Goku, and Z SSJ Goku
Did regular SSJ need to be different characters?Just have them like that from the start since transforming mid match was not a thing. Why were the Z versions of them in the game in the first place? At least Z trunks has the excuse of being a different character as far as the series is concerned.

>>4419273
>>4418007 has the right idea. It was just rushed out the door, same reason Baby Vegeta is not a normally playable character and why its alt costume is unfinished.

There wasn't any reason to have multiple characters for transformations other than:

1. We have to design a mechanic around transformation and detransformation probably based on ki and stuff, and give it risks and rewards compared to the base state
2. Even if we did we'd have to balance out characters who are instagood with no transformation at all and making sure there are no OP chars (not like the actual FB is a fine example of balance, but bear with me)
3. After doing all these trims and fixes, we are left with an abysmal roster, especially when compared to the other games on the system, like the "prequel" UB27.
4. We're shit out of time.


Characters actually do transform in battle, if you use a base state Saiyan and get into an heavy meteor finisher. This should be enough to prove they toyed with the idea and the tech was there. Finally, the fact that Pan is by far the most broken character is nothing but the final nail to testify the game didn't receive proper testing and could have used more time.

>>4419015
>stand on one side and spam fireballs
Surely the epitome of the fighting genre.

>>4419273
>Why were the Z versions of them in the game in the first place?
Because the majority of the evil cast was from Z. From a story perspective, it made sense to include Z forms to fight them with.
Even then, it would have made much more sense to have SSJ 1 and 3, since almost nothing changes from 1 to 2, and have GT alternate costumes rather than taking up a character slot.

Also, there's another Goku form in the game, SSJ4. But at least that one's different enough.

>>4419362
Fireballs? On a DBZ game!? They must be joking!
Seriously now, stop being stupid and watch the video.

>>4418035
But that game plays like ass. It feels way too floaty but somehow still heavy, and the special moves are bullshit to pull off

>>4419501
Did you know you can enable a turbo option for the speed?
Also, what's bullshit about the special moves?

>>4419503
>turbo option for the speed
No I didn't... H- How, anon?

>>4419515
You just press and hold L and R on the 2nd player controller before Goku speaks at the game intro, then the music will change and the logo on the title screen will be flashing.

>>4419479
It's dumb, each player sits at their side of the screen and spam projectiles.

>>4419530
You didn't watch more than a few seconds of the video.

>>4419530
That game has a ki bar, the ki depletes when you use too much fireballs and you're open to attacks.
The key in SB2 is to manage melee and projectiles intelligently.
I bet you wouldn't last me 15 seconds on a match in this game.

>>4418087
>Yeah the controls were the worst. So sad compared to Tobal with the Toriyama style, fluid controls and 60 fps. Then again, Tobal was made by former Virtua Fighter devs.
My god if only this was a thing. Dragon Ball replaced the Tobal IP, with the same fighting system as Tobal 2 AND the quest mode. Shit, the teenage me would have had a fucking heart attack. Not saying Tobal is bad by any means, just that the DB IP replacing it would have been magical.

>>4419546
I bet you wouldn't last 10 seconds fight with me in real life, nerd.

I liked the bootleg NES version of Super Butoden 2

>>4419672

>>4419689
Reddit. You have to go back.

I actually never played Super Sonic Warriors but I can already tell it's a better game. Let's be honest these DBZ fighters are total and utter beyond unplayable garbage.

>>4419705
>Let's be honest these DBZ fighters are total and utter beyond unplayable garbage.
You're wrong. I have no snippy comeback, you're just flat-out wrong.

>>4419702
-upvotes you-

>>4419709
They're shit.

>>4419705
>>4419719
Why are they shit? Saying they're slow is not an argument when turbo mode exists. It's on Super Butoden 2, 3 and Buu Yuu Retsuden on Mega Drive, they all have turbo.
What other criticism do you have? Other than your subjective "They're shit"?

Best is not retro and is DB AA. Retro is Hyper Dimension and Butouden 2 is close, but Hyper Dimension just feels better and the presentation is amazing. Butouden 2 soundtrack takes the cake though

Personally i love this >>4417974 for the saturn

>>4419273
>game is about GT, the show of that time
>series is on Baby saga and is about to be cancelled
>actually it survives for Super 17(6 episodes or so) and Dragon arcs
>"no time now, just throw monkey baby a bunch of Z characters and some GT versions. MAKE SURE A BUNCH OF TORANKUSUS ARE THERE BECAUSE HE IS POPULAR"

That's it. Game was released in 97, GT ended that year.
This was also a time where transformations were a "no-no" and in DBZ they always count transformations as individual characters, for some reason Tenkaichi 3 have "OVER 100 CHARACTERS!!111" with more than 10 Gokus (Early Goku, Mid Goku, End Goku, DB Kid Goku, GT Kid Goku + SS1 to 4 forms)

>>4419629
A roguelike dungeon fighter based on Dragon Ball would be pretty cool come to think of it. Meshes better than DBZ since kid Goku isn't godlike yet and thing like capsules, guns and melee weapons were still important.

>>4418012

>>4421609
This looks pretty sweet I never even knew this game existed. Thanks anon, will try it out.

>>4417964
Truly has the best DBZ fighting game engine. No baby commands like what they did in the Budokai games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URFv_iB_BUM

How come the shittiest DB games had the best music?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ph8zeukVWI&list=PL8FE56BC01896BEEA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4T9Rs1NZKo&list=PL8FE56BC01896BEEA&index=3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYYuo91cazI&index=4&list=PL8FE56BC01896BEEA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnclHS4nS7w&list=PL8FE56BC01896BEEA&index=5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSVm8n6JGF4&index=7&list=PL8FE56BC01896BEEA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqyCbr85r68&index=8&list=PL8FE56BC01896BEEA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-I3eLjYb0s&index=9&list=PL8FE56BC01896BEEA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW1AKWiRC5A&list=PL8FE56BC01896BEEA&index=11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_sqmr3W05Q&index=13&list=PL8FE56BC01896BEEA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYlMnAJBmAU&index=14&list=PL8FE56BC01896BEEA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UdVl7qju3k&list=PL8FE56BC01896BEEA&index=15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uji8xEH51lw&list=PL8FE56BC01896BEEA&index=16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0arhIW935Qw&index=10&list=PL959B19DD9D42123A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IezyrGf6H5g&list=PL959B19DD9D42123A&index=6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Df86aNZ0zU&index=9&list=PL959B19DD9D42123A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey0zLMBvnWQ&index=12&list=PL959B19DD9D42123A

>>4418290
Dkc is disgusting. DBZ is an incredible display of pixel art.

>>4421962
Many of them are recycled from Butoden games.
Also because it was the same guy doing the music for these games, Yamamoto.

>>4421997
DKC's graphics are god-tier even to this day. Either you're a massive contrarian or an underage faggot who's only played the game on an lcd. Play a water level on a crt, m8. As for the gameplay though.... it sucks.

>>4422505
>it sucks
It doesn't, controls are tight and responsive. The rolling airjump mechanic also adds some depth to it, can do some crazy fast shit if you know what you're doing, but even without using that mechanic it's a great platformer.
It's a game with good gameplay and good graphics. But yeah it needs to be played on a CRT, otherwise many of the details get stretched and lost on modern screens with upscalers.

>>4422509
But the shitty hitboxes and bland level-design kill the fun. Maybe the sequels are better...

>>4422515
Hitboxes often work in favor of the player, I agree they're not pixel-perfect, but whenever I play DKC, it has a nice flow to it, hitboxes work fine, even though they're weird sometimes, it's not a problem.
I disagree about bland level design, I can't think of one boring level in the game.
The sequels improved on it, but the original is still ace. And it's arguably whether 3 is better than 1 or not. It's technically better and more variated, but some people prefer 1's more straightforward platforming no-gimmick design, and better music too.

Can we agree that this is the best fighting game based on a manga/anime?

>>4422613
technically yes but if I want to play a better cps2 game I play Alpha or Darkstalkers. Jojo doesn't feel that unique.
As far as anime fighting games go I still prefer Super Butouden 2.
Endless duel close second.

>>4422624
Still mad that they rushed JJBA. It was supposed to have so much cool shit in it

>>4422613
That's not Arcsys' Hokuto no Ken

>>4422640

>>4417964
NES Saiyan Saga jrpg is much better

>>4417964
Is this the game that’s Japan and France only, with an English patch that for some reason only works on the French version?

>>4417964
>>4417967
>Hyper Dimension getting some love on /vr/

>>4422640
That's not retro.

I really enjoyed Legend Of The Super Saiyan. It really captured the progression of the series, where you were on a real adventure finding dragon balls and getting stronger. Just a shame that in combat the characters had no faces, and SS Goku had his regular hair style only in yellow

>>4417964
Shit i loved the ending to that game with the dragonball in the water, leaves floating and all and the dragonball changing into a stone. The music and the image created this sense of an ending, a closing of something important. I haven't seen probably in a decade but I can recall it perfectly.

>>4417995
>GT
>a DBZ game

even ignoring that, it had garbage controls and you could barely move your characters in it. not to mention it's as slow as it's on mollasses in there. The soundtrack was fantastic though

>>4422505
>god-tier
They didn't even bother to clean up the sprites of the main characters.

>>4430426
THIS. I clearly remember everyone back in 1994 complaining about DKC having his dick shitstained.
I mean, I get that monkeys are dirty, but come on!

>>4418234
It took until 3 for it to get really good and they had to ruin it with Dragon Rush.
Shin Budokai is pretty good tho, in my opinion.

Nobody mentioned Dragon Ball Z II - Gekishin Freeza in this thread, im sad now.

>>4431490
This thread has been mostly about the fighting games.
DBZ III is also pretty good. And unlike Gekishin Freeza, it didn't get a remake on SFC.

>>4419705
Supersonic Warriors is genuinely great. I love how elegant the fighting system is, and the what-ifs are fun as hell.

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