/vr/ - Retro Games

I ain't watching that shit. You need the best mobo with ISA you can find in a dumpster that has 98se drivers you can obtain for its chips, a video card that exceeds the maximum requirements for any games that has drivers and a SB or Adlib. That's 90% of it but then you might want an additional card for sick midi which is somewhat subjective (Roland) and a 3D accelerator of your subjective choice (Voodoo II)

There I just saved you thirty minutes staring at shitfaces

>>4418169
You can get 95%+ of old games working on a modern PC. Hell GOG will do this for you, for a nominal fee.

>>4418169
The baby doth protest too much, methinks.

>>4418187
>I ain't watching that shit.
Why are you commenting then?
At least you have the decency to say this out first so everybody knows they don't need to read your whole post, because it's irrelevant.

>>4418187
if you would have watched it, it specifically mentions those things and that you need at least 3 computers to cover the PC gaming spectrum

>>4418169
HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>4419402
Let's be real, he's never worth reading.

>>4419412
C'mon, he's pretty funny sometimes.
A overweight middle aged man who lives in a basement and has imaginary wife and daughter while posting on a vietnamese cartoon forum about old games.

It's comedy gold.

Would this be ok for 90's gaming?

Pentium III laptop

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Inspiron-4000-model-No-PP01L-Laptop-old-laptop/222728675855?hash=item33dba9e20f:g:BAUAAOSwrhhaAtJr

>>4418169
As someone who isn't into retro PC gaming, both on hardware and software front, I thought it was an interesting video for listening to all those opinions and seeing so many possibilities to run those older games. I love using original consoles and handhelds but using stuff like DOSbox or VM seem much more interesting to me because having to find those older computers in itself can be quite a chore and I have no idea how to configure older PCs so I don't wanna risk anything blowing up.
Don't get me wrong, I like seeing some of those 80s and 90s computers in action and I can understand that some games run better on native hardware but I don't feel like learning all the technical stuff or using even more room for retro related gaming stuff.

GTX 960(I'm still livid that it has drivers for XP and my 980 don't) + one of the sandy bridge mobos and processors.
Add virtual machine with 95, 98, and a DosBox, and you can play most of the stuff without constantly switching host OS.

>>4419420
It would be "okay" but so would a VM, PCem or DOSBox.

>>4419417
The "wife" in his rape dungeon isn't imaginary

>>4419494

Did they ever release a VMware Player for Mac? I know they used to have one for Windows, but I thought even that one got shuttered.

I'd love a pre-configured Windows 98 hard disk...

>>4419529
Mac's have VMWare Fusion, it's like a simplified version of VMWare Workstation.
You can pirate it.

>>4419532

I'm afraid. Unlike ROMs, that shit is actually really easy to tamper with. Do you...Have a reliable source, that you perhaps trust? Regardless, thank you for telling me that tidbit about Fusion. The VMWare site is a fucking nightmare for learning about their own damn products.

>>4419540
You're welcome.
The Pirate Bay and check comments before downloading.

>>4419589

They run a bitcoin miner now. Not gonna stand for that.

>>4419624
The main site currently does not. Proxies do.
Why though? The bitcoin miner is far better idea than visual ad's. You're using their service, at least you can give them back to them letting them use 50% of your CPU for whatever 2-5minutes you actually use their site. Hosting and maintaining is not free.

>>4419638

Because I don't trust them. Supposedly the original team does not either.

>>4418202
>for a nominal fee.
Eh? I have about 100 games from gog installed on my PC and I don't recall paying a cent.

>>4419420
Should be decent for most Windows 9X games, DOS compatibility with sound may be a bit dodgy.

>>4419695

Sauce

>>4418169
Old PC's are absolutely worthless.

>>4419990
What the fuck, is this really the state of /vr/?

>>4419652
>the original team
the original team let themselves get caught because the smartest guy of the three refused to encrypt ubuntu
then they all caved in and ratted each other out
it doesnt matter what they say

>>4419993
eBay says otherwise

>>4419638
>at least you can give them back to them letting them use 50% of your CPU for whatever 2-5minutes
...no. No, that's not okay.

>>4418202
Its not about it 'working', its about getting the true experience through the way old videocards rendered the game and old sounds

>>4420090
how come?
you're pirating in the first place, you can't give back to people who help you to do it?

>>4420095
Agreed
Many things don't work that well in the first place

>>4420098
anyone that has or javascript on is a retarded that deserves all their shit stolen
there are a million trackers out there that arent tpb like btdig

>>4420086
Ebay is full of shit. Newer PC's is where it's at. So unless you're looking to buy a fancy candy looking iMac G3 computer, there is no reason to buy an old PC, since they're old, outdated and underpowered.

>>4420090

This. It's the same problem as traditional ads only magnified by ten: wanting to run this extensive resource-consuming code on my machine without benefiting me in the slightest. There's no established trust there and I'm not biting.

>>4420064

Is that better or worse than deploying a bitcoin miner on your site with no prior notice or consent?

>>4420098

Prolly because they weren't gonna tell anyone about their new little revenue stream 'till they were caught out by a bunch of greyhats.

That was when they came clean.

>>4420102

>btdig

Thank you, bookmarked.

>>4420112
Not only was this announced, but it's nothing new nowadays, instead of graphics advertisements and popups, mining has been experimented with for a while now.
Let me guess, you're just a butthurt anti piracy faggot?

>>4420121

In no way was this announced, stop lying:

https://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bay-website-runs-a-cryptocurrency-miner-170916/

>>4420110
>extensive resource-consuming code
>literary caps to 50% CPU and only runs when you're on the site
>a site you only visit for minutes and then close

>There's no established trust there and I'm not biting.
Yet you seem to defend traditional ads and popups that can do just as much damage if used for ill attempts?

It's a far, far better idea than supporting advertisement monopolies or having gay porn ad's in your face.

>>4420121

https://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-is-mining-cryptocurrency-again-no-opt-out-171011/

>>4420126

I block all advertising, I don't know where you got that I was a big fan of it in any way.

If they had stuck to text and images, that would've been one thing. But then some faggot decided we needed JS and Flash and sound and it all went downhill from there.

>>4420125
>>4420127
Might want to check the part where they announced it on their blog.

>new little revenue stream
You realize this is way smaller than traditional ad's?

>>4420129
>I block all advertising
You steal from people who enable you to steal?
You've heard about even thieves having a little respect? You're like the nigger equivalent of a lowlife thug.

>>4420130

Announcing it on your fucking blog is almost as bad as saying "Well I posted about it on my Facebook page!!!". I want to be told about it on the main page of your website, not have to hunt for your shitty blogroll.

>>4420132

Copyright infringement is not nor ever will be tantamount to theft. Who's the anti-piracy shill now?

>>4420141
>Announcing it on your fucking blog is almost as bad as saying "Well I posted about it on my Facebook page!!!". I want to be told about it on the main page of your website, not have to hunt for your shitty blogroll.
Not an argument.
You seem like the most average and dumbest internet user with basic interest in things he uses and uses them minimally, like also includes blocking all ad's irrelevant to the site.
Something you'd expect from a teenager.

>Copyright infringement is not nor ever will be tantamount to theft. Who's the anti-piracy shill now?
You're stealing revenue. How is it not theft? You're not physically stealing an item, you're copying it, but you're not paying for the work put into it.
I know I'm doing wrong, I just can't give a fuck. But at least have some respect against things that enable you to do so.
You're basically the person who would get beaten to death first in a world without law enforcement because you try to screw everyone over.

>>4420147

>You're stealing revenue. How is it not theft? You're not physically stealing an item, you're copying it, but you're not paying for the work put into it.
>I know I'm doing wrong, I just can't give a fuck. But at least have some respect against things that enable you to do so.
>You're basically the person who would get beaten to death first in a world without law enforcement because you try to screw everyone over.

m80, where the fuck do you think you are? reddit?

Fuck off hence with this moralfaggotry.

>>4420149
>gets BTFO
>starts shitposting
Predictable. Have fun being a retard.

>>4420161
I guess you hit the nail on the head with your last post to trigger him this bad

Such a newfag argument he made, it's sad to see what this place has become

>>4420149
At least seed for awhile. I keep my torrents running for at least a week whenever I yarr something. At least a week. Most of the time longer. Gotta give others a chance to get it too.

>>4419695
>lel i pirate games from fucking GOG of all places
it's like shoplifting at Goodwill. get a damn job.

>>4419695
i always found pb's sales better than steam's

>>4420562

Of course m8, only proper.

>>4420576

Their releases aren't that great anyway.

>>4420168
>>4420161

Samefag.

This thread is pure autism.

>>4418169
To be fair, for a total newbie this is pretty informative

>>4418202
It talks about that

Cobbling together a Windows 98 machine from cheap thrift store finds and ebay. PIII, 550mhz, 64MB ram. ATI Rage 128 Pro.

Dumb question time. Found some 512MB sticks of SDRAM/PC133. Unfortunately the mobo is a PD440FX, maximum ram allotment 384.

I suppose I wouldn't be able to stick in a 512MB stick and it'll simply recognize up to 384? Never tried that in all my gaming/computing life.

Also, are there any frame rate counters that work with '98? Be fun to see how the machine handles Deus Ex and whatnot.

Thanks!

>>4423886
>I suppose I wouldn't be able to stick in a 512MB stick and it'll simply recognize up to 384? Never tried that in all my gaming/computing life.
If you have a PD440FX though, it supports SIMM's and not DIMM SDRAM, so it won't plug into the board in the first place.

Don't old versions of Fraps work with 98?

Awesome machine though, have fun!

>>4423894

Thanks for the quick reply. The notches on both modules look identical. Here's the current ram in the machine:

https://www.oempcworld.com/OEMPCworld-com/32M-PC66.html

And the ram I found (pic related).

Don't SIMMs only have one notch (IIRC)?

>>4423916
You probably made a mistake in the motherboard model then. The PD440FX takes only SIMM's. Yours isnt the PD440FX then.

If it takes SDRAM, you just have to try.
Some boards actually work fine with more memory than their manuals report
Some boards just use part of the memory and leave the rest unused.
Some boards don't work at all with the wrong memory.

>>4423925

Yep, I did. I typed in the MOBO model number and it is the 440BX.

https://itstillworks.com/12538113/intel-motherboard-e139761-specifications

The 512 stick I have is clocked at 133MHZ. According to the above info, the max ram clock speed the Mobo supports is 100MHZ. Still okay to give it a shot? Won't short anything out?

>>4423937
The stick might run fine at 100MHz too, only way to know is to try.
It won't' damage anything, if it does not like it, it just won't work. That's all.

Good luck!

>>4423941

Cool. I'll give it a go. Thanks for your help.

>>4423947
To add to that, some places say it should support 512MB and also that it's quite stable when overclocking the FSB to 133MHz, so you can push out a little more performance also. Depending how much your CPU also can handle, you might have to change the multiplier. But that's more complex stuff that you can try latter.
If the 512MB stick won't work, guess you'll have to find three 128MB ones or one 256MB and one 128MB.

>>4423948

Just tried. Powered on and the CPU fan fired up, but it didn't post. Just a black screen, no video. So yeah, guess the machine doesn't like it.

Didn't get a memory error beep, however.

>>4418187
I normally disregard tripfag opinions but holy shit FPBP

>>4423974
How come?
Not only is he wrong about the video, he overdramatize it way too much, makes it sound like ISA boards didn't have Win98 drivers and throws everything into one like a early DOS games machine is the same as a late 90's Win9x one.

>>4423961
Yeah 440bx boards generally don't take high density sticks. Been there, done that.

If you have 3 slots it's likely it will accept 256MB sticks in each, though you need to make sure they are low density ones as not all are created equal. If you're not sure then limit yourself to 128MB ones as afaik they are all low density and universally compatible.

You're extremely unlikely to actually need more than 384MB anyway for that type of system, Win98 begins to act very strangely with more than 512.

>>4424021
There are certainly boards with ISA slots that have chipsets with difficult to find 98 drivers, for example the one in my retro PC which despite pushing the high side of 98 compatibility runs DOS games just fine, having hard VGA/EGA/MCGA compatibility and a real Sound Blaster with a game port. I've never even had to switch to a serial mouse for them. I have no idea what this video has convinced you that you need specifically to run DOS games since I have no desire to listen to e-celebs prattle on for half an hour but maybe I should at least check to see if it has a gorillion views and I should start flipping shitbox early 90s PCs.

>>4424134
>runs DOS games just fine
Do you boot into DOS 6? Because most things don't work at all in the DOS mode of my 98 box. That's why I have another machine for DOS and 16-bit windows.

>>4424134
>start flipping shitbox early 90s PCs

You well and truly missed the boat on that one. Try early 2000s as they're still somewhat affordable.

>>4424134
What are you talking about?
You can't have a perfect computer that plays everything, early DOS, midrage DOS and late DOS / Win32 games.
You will run into problems like that, no surprise there.

>>4424134
Oh babbage you so salty.
kek

>>4424264
Leave him to his fantasy world m8

>>4424264
What problems? Give me an example of a DOS game you don't think will run on my 2002 98se computer

>>4424389
http://www.vogonswiki.com/index.php/List_of_CPU_speed_sensitive_games

>>4419420
>that spacebar
wtf they were thinking

>>4418169
DOSBox + Virtual Machine

>>4418187
:3

>>4424389
Anything CPU speed sensitive.
I.e. early 80's games to early 90's games like Wing Commander, the most well known one.
This already excludes many games, now add games that are sensitive to bleeding edge AGP cards, newer chipsets, etc.

Knowing from your previous posts you have made, you're not very computer savvy, so I doubt most of the things you're claiming when talking about computers.
The video has nothing to do with it.

>>4418187
>>4424134
>You need the best mobo with ISA you can find in a dumpster
You're pulling this shit our of your ass and just roleplaying, aren't you?
Latter boards have ISA slots that are PCI bridged or lack specific DMA functions that won't let you nately run a ISA sound card directly. Most of these boards have widely available 98 drivers even.
Sure, you could use a PCI card with specific drivers, but then you might aswell emulate because that shit sounds awful.

>>4424431
>"Sierra games - no sound card detection"
Erroneous - and nearly everything on this short list is easily adjusted using setmul. Also I was literally just playing AITD on my Evo N400c P3/800 and it runs perfectly in plain DOS mode once I found the SB compatible driver for its chipset.

DosBox and a copy of Windows 3.1 that runs in DosBox works fine for almost all of my needs. There are a few late 1990s games that don't run well on modern computers, like MicroProse's Magic: The Gathering and Streets of SimCity, but that's ok.

>>4424176
Are you saying they're already too overpriced to "flip," or that their nostalgia bubble has burst and moved on to the early 2000s?

I have had a ton of 90s PCs stored in the basement at my parents' house since I collected them back in the mid-2000s when everyone was throwing away their Windows 98 Dell and Gateway crap in favor of Windows XP HP Pavilions. Is it finally my time to be on the "winning" side of a stupid fad?

>>4424389
You still haven't explained whether you are talking about dual-booting an older DOS version or not. You definitely can't run some DOS games on MSDOS 7.0 and up.

>>4424512
I think you're just regurgitating erroneous generalized information you've read on the internet as an excuse to not try these things yourself and/or waste money on redundant hardware but maybe I'll find the time to run Wing Commander on my rig for you and make a webm before this thread gets pruned since I at least agree that's an early dos game that's pretty demanding

>>4424523
>ISA slots that are PCI bridged
This does seem to be a thing and I guess I got lucky that my motherboard does have the DMAs to address the sound card in DOS. I doubt there's any conclusive guide to what later motherboards do and don't so I suspect that this might be an exception that has been exaggerated into a rule. My experience is obviously anecdotal but I expect that's the only evidence there is and that any "definitive" statistics on that are at best arguments from authority

>>4424562
It's pretty easy to boot any version of DOS you want from floppy

>>4424524
>Evo N400c
Where's that epic Win9X/Win32 game support?
Voodoo 2's in SLI? Sound Blaster Audigy 2 and Aureal Vortex 2? That high end AGP card?

This is a mediocre Win9x game machine at most.

>easily adjusted using setmul.
False. Try it before making dumb statements.

>>4424557
>Dell and Gateway crap
They are still just crap. They aren't the high end of PC equipment of the time that everybody wants these days.

>>4420147
>How is it not theft?
Copyright infringement is explicitly not larceny, by legal-fucking-definition. It's a matter of civil law and speculated revenues mean exactly nothing. Get as buttblasted about it as you like, it is not theft and never will be.

>>4424576
>not try these things yourself
see
>>4424578
You're the only one without first hand experience here.

>Wing Commander
>I at least agree that's an early dos game that's pretty demanding
Wing Commander is from 1990. There is nothing "early" about it.

>>4424578
That's not my primary retro gaming pc, it's a laptop sitting right beside me that I use upstairs for retro gaming. I never claimed to have anything SLI bridged I have no idea where you got that. I'm still shopping for a Voodoo II.

>>4424584
You're really grasping at straws huh?

>>4424583
>by legal-fucking-definition
Indeed, law is great to bend, there's even a profession around it, but every pirate knows piracy is not far from theft.
These days it's pretty useless though as the developer and content creator will get their money's worth of monthly pay no matter how much revenue the product makes.
But there was a time when pirating really stole bread from the two or three man developer team that made your games and could thrive them out of business.
Get down your high horse kiddo, not everyone born yesterday like you.

>>4424579
I have a load of soundblasters and voodoo cards (and such) too. No cool MIDI stuff though, wish I did. I'd have to mix and match a lot to get a good number of fully working machines anyway. It seems like at that time, in this area at least, a lot of the computers people had came from local PC shops that assembled towers themselves, rather than prebuilts ordered online.

>>4424583

t. digitalnigger

>>4424587
You're making dumb claims without any source or proof.
You're mixing up things badly, like moving dates when games came out almost a decade.

There are no straws to grasp, you already burned all yours with dumb posts.

>>4424596
Sweet bro

>>4423925
>slot1
>72pin EDO only
What the shit
Even my Socket 5 board has a DIMM slot.

>>4424389
Let's see you get a sweet high score in the combat simulator in Wing Commander.

>>4424576
>I'll find the time to run Wing Commander on my rig for you
so waiting to see you playing WC on a Pentium 3 without emulation
FYI setmul won't help you shit

>>4424604
"Early" is not a date, pedant. I will try to take autism into account and be more specific in the future.

>>4424576
Bridging ISA over PCI was a cost-saving measure. It should come as a surprise to absolutely no one that such boards are the vast majority beyond 1998/1999 and getting a high-ish end board with native ISA is a very lucky find.

>>4424625
Early means early 80's when talking about DOS.
You stepped into a bucket, accept it.

PC DOS gaming spawns over two decades, from the early 80's to the late 90's.

>>4424629
They are still common for Pentium 3 boards, but nobody thinks a Pentium 3 system with a 100MHz FSB and VIA chipset is good for windows 98 games also. Hence you should just have different machines.

>>4424585
>I'm still shopping for a Voodoo II
Why? That and an AWE64 were the first pieces of retro PC hardware I picked up (aside from the base unit itself ofc). They're not exactly hard to find, in fact I have enough for three SLI setups now at minimal cost although I favour V3s now tbqh.

>>4424676
I picked up two Voodoo 2's in the last 6 months for 5€ a piece.
Remind yourself though, he hes a tripfag who'se 24/7 on /vr/ and posting, I guess he only has neetbux to spare and you don't get many of those in the US.

bumping so thread won't 404 and gramps can post wing commander on his pentium 3 (no emulation)

Odd thing happened (well maybe not so odd to those of you who've been repairing PCs for years).

So, I'm trying to "supercharge" this old shitty Dell I have (2.8 Ghz P4, I know not strictly vintage, but lol /g/) for shits and giggles. Picked up a NIB Radeon x1300 PCI version for 15.00. Popped it in, hooked up through DVI, no picture. Okay, so I'll try the VGA port on the card. Moments later, the ribbon cable that connects the VGA port to the card starts smoking. Shut down immediately.

Card still fires up, but not sure if it's still good, since I didn't get picture in the first place. Anyhow, I'm just curious what would cause something like that?

Is there a guide for NEC and Amiga PCs?
Even Atari ones, like which ones were the best and things like that

>>4425763
lol hipster baby dosen't have a brain

>>4425763
NEC: If you don't live in Japan, stop.
Amiga: If you don't live in Europe, stop.
Atari: If you don't like in the US, stop.

>>4425763
NEC: If you don't live in Japan, stop.
Amiga: If you don't live in Europe, stop.
Atari: If you don't live in the US, stop.

The AtariAge forums, however terribly insufferable, are a solid place for info on vintage computing. Just don't try and have a conversation with anyone.

>>4426131
>NEC: If you don't live in Japan, stop.
Why? Imported my NEC PC98 laptop for 250€, with postage.
Works perfectly and came with everything needed.

>Atari: If you don't live in the US, stop.
As a yurotard, there are so many cheap 8-bit Ataris and Atari STs here.

>>4426131
Anon: If you're a retard, stop

>>4418187
>staring at shitfaces
mind you that LGR is the guy right now when it comes to retro computer gaming
others even ask for his advice and let him judge their games before releasing

>>4426140
Atari STs, whilst not as popular as the Amiga over here, were sold here and had a sizeable following, especially with early 90s music producers (trance, jungle, happy hardcore) because of the Atari's MIDI capabilities that the Amiga didn't have.

Anon is being a silly billy.

>>4426697
>capabilities that the Amiga didn't have.
The only reason the ST was used for that was because it came with port built in, as a MIDI sequencer can be really dumb, as all it does, is sequence MIDI.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM04scs4MSk

>>4418169
Ohhh... that's good I really want an old PC to play old games without VM or emulation.

>>4418187
No.
There is like 10-15 years of old games that have trouble running on anything faster than a 486 unless you downclock the FSB and CPU and disable caches.

Try using a decent Pentium 2 to play Bubble Ghost.

The reality is you need a different machine for each era of gaming, 3 at minimum.

Also, stop recommending Voodoo/3DFX shit. Those are getting rare and expensive, and there are wrappers for DX9 that let you play them on an old GeForce or Radeon AGP card.

The three PC types you need are:
Early DOS 386 with turbo to slow it down to AT speeds. Any random Oak\Trident ISA VGA video card will work. SB1/Adlib cards and PC speaker are your sound.
Late DOS/Early Windows Socket 7 or Super Socket 7, get an old S3 Virge PCI for pennies and enjoy excellent DOS compatibility. Get an SB Pro 2.0 compatible sound card. Anything works, really.

3D Era windows:
Pentium 2/3 or AMD Thunderbird. Get any decent 64MB+ 3d card. Radeon 7000-9000s are cheap and plentiful, as are GeForce3/4 cards. Use a Glide wrapper like dgVoodoo 1.x (Direct3D) and/or Zeckensack or OpenGlide.

>>4426823
>Also, stop recommending Voodoo/3DFX shit. Those are getting rare and expensive, and there are wrappers for DX9 that let you play them on an old GeForce or Radeon AGP card.
I agree with everything else but this.
Wrappers are just wrappers, they wrap glide instructions to opengl, it's not the same visually.
Also no, they are not expensive, I've bought several Voodoo cards this year alone for no more than single digit sums each. Maybe don't reccomend it to a dildohead who only know eBay, but it's safe to recommend to anyone who has even a little bit of brain in these things.

>>4426832
Wrappers are fine these days, considering that the Glide instruction set is well documented and VERY small, and is closely related to OpenGL.

Also, they ARE expensive compared to the items I recommended. You can pick up an GeForce3 for $6.

With voodoo 2, you need a $40 card AND a decent 2D card, then you need an SLI cable for it. Voodoo 3s are becoming expensive, and beginning to fail. If you're just getting started in this as a hobby, don't buy enthusiast hardware until you're ready for it.

>>4426838
I guess it depends where you live.
The last Voodoo 2 I picked up was 5€ a few months ago.
There's a Voodoo 3 PCI for sale right now that's 15€. Working.
Also SLI cables can easily be made from any 3.5" floppy ribbon cable. I've only ever done that and never had problems.

>If you're just getting started in this as a hobby, don't buy enthusiast hardware until you're ready for it.
I agree.
But then again, if you wait longer, it might be even harder to get them. If you find one for a good price, you should still grab it if it interests you.

>>4418169
>pulled my old packard bell out of storage
>hard drive failed
>had to wait a week to order a new drive
>took 45 mins to install windows 98
>no out of box USB support
>took hours to install dos games/drivers for PC
>everything that PC does can be emulated on a windows 10 machine

yeah its fun but theres hardly anything its good for except memories and the onboard yamaha XG midi soundchip, which I've yet to find a good soundfont for

>>4426823
>there are wrappers for DX9 that let you play them on an old GeForce or Radeon AGP card.
Looks like shit though. Doesn't look like Glide graphics at all.

>>4418187
>attention whoring tripfag complaining about attention whoring ecelebs
Mmmmmmm

>>4426887
>>pulled my old packard bell out of storage
>>hard drive failed
>>had to wait a week to order a new drive
>>took 45 mins to install windows 98
>>no out of box USB support
>>took hours to install dos games/drivers for PC
that's just you being a dummy

>>4426897
No, it doesn't
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi1TQ7v6TUo

Here's the Unreal castle flyby demo on a 960ti using nGlide vs a real Voodoo3.
The split is at 46 seconds.

>>4426959
The V3 footage is giving a better sense of depth. Having seen this effect in person it's especially pronounced when you view it on a CRT.

>>4426959
But a Voodoo 2 SLI looks much worse than that.
I actually like the "worse" looking one.

That video is a horrible comparison though and there's a notable difference. I own a Voodoo 3 also.

Also this >>4426962

>>4426962
You're full of shit.
I have two computers with a Voodoo 3 and there's no discernible difference on my PVM, my dell CRT monitor, or my plasma.

Just to really drill the point home, I'm going to use my RGB capture card to grab this footage from a voodoo 3 machine AND a modern machine using nGlide, dgVoodoo, and DirectX and make a quad screen split.

>>4426970
>>4426962
You're full of shit.
I have two computers with a Voodoo 3 and there's no discernible difference on my PVM, my dell CRT monitor, or my plasma.

Just to really drill the point home, I'm going to use my RGB capture card to grab this footage from a voodoo 3 machine AND a modern machine using nGlide, dgVoodoo, and DirectX and make a quad screen split.

To REALLY prove you're dumbass audiophile tier autists, I'm not going to label which is which either, and watch you struggle to point out which is which.

>>4426984
I want to see you pull of Voodoo 2 level graphics with visible scanline interleaving.

>>4426984
>implying your heavily encoded video will look anything like a trinitron CRT in person
But please, do as you wish
The simple fact that you don't understand the difference between wrapper and emulator makes it worthless to even talk about these things with you
For example, Glide lighting looks far different than OpenGL that the wrappers wrap it into, I have almost every consumer 3dfx card and I also have games on my modern PC that I play with nGlide, the difference is obvious to anyone who isn't a hipster teenager and actually has used them since the late 90's

>PVM
Who plays PC games on a low res monitor like a PVM?

>>4420095
What games that require a 3D accelerator don't use CD music?

>>4426959
>>4426984
what are you going to do about the games that don't work with wrappers?

>>4427020
for 3D accelerated games you want a proper video card and a sound card with A3D and another one with EAX

>>4427005
>>implying your heavily encoded video will look anything like a trinitron CRT in person

Who said anything about encoding?
I'm going to be capturing RAW.
Play it back on a CRT.

>>4427024
all 3% of them?
Wait for improved compatibility in OpenGlide.

>>4426959
>>4426984
As you can see, even on that low quality shitty video, the difference is already obvious.
See >>4427040 and >>4427042

I can't wait for your comparison where it stands out even more only to make yourself look like the embarrassed smartass younger you are.

>>4427043
>wait for
>instead of play right now
what's the matter, can't afford actual hardware or you're some apartment pleb who does not have space for it?

>>4427040
>>4427042
hei! those are pictures from the video the anon posted who said there are no differences!
but I see obvious differences! do you mean the anon who said there are none was lying? why would he do that?

>>4427005
Glide is LITERALLY made from OpenGL.
It's a reduced call-set of OpenGL.

The specifications and code of Glide are OPEN SOURCE (since 1999).

You don't NEED to emulate it, the calls can wrap DIRECTLY to OpenGL calls.

>>4426984
You already posted unbiased proof. It turned out to be not in the favor of your argument.
Anything you will make now, specially saying that you don't even plan on labeling it, will just be written off as bait or shitpost, as now you're probably mad for being wrong and want to fuck with others, so your "proof" is anything but valid.

But go on nevertheless, recond four different videos in RAW and upload them.
I'm sure your time is not worth anything anyways. Might aswell make us some nice videos.

>>4427065
He literally captured one WITH the lightning flash and one without, not even the same frame.

>>4427075
Are you a dummy?
You're comparing OpenGL from this day and age that the wrappers use to the code Glide was based on in the 90's.
Not to mention, you're forgetting that the way cards handle rendering can have big differences in the end result.

For example, compare AMD/ATi cards and Nvidia ones, both rendering the same scene with same settings and resolution, still widely different outcomes in colors and general rendering.

>>4427040
That's the good shit right there. There's like a perspective blur going on that makes the foreground really pop.

>>4427080
>He literally captured one WITH the lightning flash and one without
nope, that's just camera gamma adjust because the gamma of the picture changed

>not even the same frame.
you can't open a youtube video to see that even when you match it up to the same frame, it doesn't matter and still shows the same difference then the pictures?
yeah, fuck off with your shitty bait

>>4427089
>For example, compare AMD/ATi cards and Nvidia ones, both rendering the same scene with same settings and resolution, still widely different outcomes in colors and general rendering.
To add to that, I'm talking about both cards rendering via OpenGL and being from the same timeframe.

This thread illustrates the sort of cancer that overtook PC gaming the late 90s, with everyone talking about their specs and benchmarks instead of enjoying good games. Except here people are doing it with 20 year old out of date technology.

>>4427089
OpenGL 3.0 is compatible with all prior versions of the API, they did not remove deprecated calls until 3.1

As for analog artifacts introduced by card design, these are unique to the user, dependent on more factors than just the card. The structure of your case, your monitor, length of the cord, atmospheric noise, placement of the card and EM noise from the CPU will all have some small effect on an analog signal.

The effect is so close that 99.99% of people won't be able to tell the difference in a double blind scenario. Much like audiophile that got BTFO when they couldn't hear the difference between thousands of dollars of high grade speaker wire on special wooden stands vs a metal coat hanger.

That's my intent to prove.

>>4427040
>>4427093
Looking at it closer I think it's actually using dithering to do that. Like selectively dithered and then smoothed.

>>4427094
>you can't open a youtube video to see that even when you match it up to the same frame, it doesn't matter and still shows the same difference then the pictures?
>yeah, fuck off with your shitty bait

https://i.4cdn.org/vr/1511911792614.jpg
Frame 2810
https://i.4cdn.org/vr/1511911857132.jpg
Frame 3894

Try again.

@4427123
>I have reading comprehension
you won't even get a (You) for this bait

>>4427109
Indeed. I enjoy playing on my real hardware, yet there are retards who only jerk off to their wrappers and think it looks as good.

>>4427112
Please, think or do what you want.
The simple fact that running it on a real card against a wrapper on a different card on the same machine with everything else being the same, seeing it with my own eyes and being able to tell obvious differences, is all the proof I need.

You trying to prove anything to me is useless, as I already know from my own experience.

>>4427112
>Much like audiophile that got BTFO when they couldn't hear the difference between thousands of dollars of high grade speaker wire on special wooden stands vs a metal coat hanger.
>comparing two actually different graphics cards like they are two different wires used in a sound system
yes there are people this dumb on /vr/

>>4426959
>No, it doesn't
>posts a video that shows it does
??

Where's that Wing Commander video already?

>>4418169
>what do you want to do with an old pc
I want 100% dos compatibility, s3metal, glide, a3d, GUS, roland sound canvas, yamaha xg, want to play every win 98 game in 1600x1200+4x AA. Now build my pc shitlord

>>4428475
ironic how that would cost more than a modern desktop due to inflated nostalgia ebay prices

>>4428489
Still a fraction of its original selling price though. A rig like that would have cost thousands back then.

>tfw my dad brought home his company laptop back in '94:

>486DX4 100mHz
>16MB RAM
>500GB HDD
>SVGA (800x600 for the younglets) dual-scan colour LCD
>dual batteries
>built-in trackball
>£4000+ pricetag

Had so much fun playing Indycar and NASCAR Racing on that thing.

>>4428504
>500GB HDD

>>4428504
>500gb

while true at least then your money was going towards a then-current tech that could actually help you in business. Spending 3k on a machine to play old games now seems like a waste

>>4428514
>>4428531
500 gigs was no joke back then, especially for a portable machine.

>Today one can buy a home computer with 200 or 400 megabytes.
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/01/04/science/personal-computers-it-s-1994-so-where-are-your-data.html

>>4428542
youre confusing GB with MB
500MB hdd seems right, but a 500 gigabyte drive was unheard of in 1994. My windows 98 PC only had a 4GB hard drive

>>4428552
Oh shit, didn't even notice my typo even when it was green texted back to me...

Apologies.

>>4428475
I'll build you three PCs.

I actually have one of each specification that you just described.
UT looks glorious on a 1600x1200@85hz Trinitron.

>>4428552
>unheard of in 1994. My windows 98 PC only had a 4GB hard drive
You had a Windows 98 PC with a 4GB drive in '94?!?!?!?
Teach me, timelord.

>>4428531
>Spending 3k on a machine to play old games now seems like a waste
I love the eBay prices meme.
Shit's cheap as fuck here.

Not to mention, "waste" is personal opinion, for someone with shitloads of free cash and actual interest, spending that money wouldn't seem like a waste.
There are people on /vr/ who buy $5000 cartridges just to frame them in a glass window while they could download the ROM to a flashcart and play it on actual hardware for less than a $100 total.

>>4428561
I don't think Windows 98 was out in '94 anon

>>4428582
>that's the joke

>>4428561

it was two separate thoughts lol. I'm saying that even by 1998 computers only had 4gb which just clarified your typo of 500gb in 1994. no worries

>>4424512
>>4424620
>>4425018
>>4428459
I don't even want an apology I just want you to take your terrible attitude back to /g/ or /v/ or YouTube or wherever the hell you brought it here from and make /vr/ a little more like it's supposed to be.

>>4424512
>>4424620
>>4425018
>>4428459
I don't even want an apology I just want you to take your terrible attitude back to /g/ or /v/ or YouTube or wherever the hell you brought it here from and make /vr/ a little more like it's supposed to be.

>>4428842
Com'on, could at least slowed down the video by 20% when it shows gameplay, that's way too fast.

>>4428842
You set out your stall as a shit-magnet the moment you adopted that tripcode.

Live with it or fuck off. This is 4chan not your personal hugbox.

>>4428842
>no sound

>>4428854
It's not the attacks against me, it's the hardware focus. Like >>4427109 this thread is literally full of the kind of attitude that ruins the fun of games. If you can only find joy from having the best conceivable hardware whether it's a new rig that runs 4k at max settings or a retro rig that's EXACTLY the recommended specs or a 1chip SNES with a REAL copy of Earthbound running RGB into a PVM and you have to spend a bunch of time belittling other peoples' hardware to maintain that feeling, it's the worst most unhealthy kind of schadenfreude that's not only destructive to the board but symptomatic of a deep unhappiness in yourself. I realize that's the classic 4chan condition and all but that doesn't mean a person has to wallow in it and do real damage to a board that used to actually be about the games.

>>4428853
It did seem to speed up a little in the webm conversion. 4chan has some pretty strict requirements on webms, no longer than 120 seconds no more than 3mb...

>>4428861
...and no sound. The game's sound works fine though, in pure DOS. It doesn't work in Windows but that's fairly typical. I think maybe /wsg/ allows sound webms and maybe longer duration or something but I'll still have to have the bitrate low if I'm going to get enough duration to prove it's not in dosbox, if setmul even runs in dosbox(?) I've already wasted enough time on this fool's errand I don't even like Wing Commander but I do kind of enjoy practicing up on my webm encoding so I might be willing to make one with sound. I'm not sure how to get precisely accurate speed though, I already set the frame rate to an even multiplier of the source frame rate but maybe I need to precisely set the bitrate relative to the source.

>>4428842
Still a bit too fast. How much experimenting did it take to find which of your machines could be downclocked and de-cached to low-end 386 performance? Also a PIII isn't really ideal for the upper end of win9x if your goal is one machine to do it all.
I imagine you could do better with a P4 despite the higher clock speeds just by virtue of netburst being such an inefficient arch.

>>4428936
Took about 20 minutes. I didn't take the time to go in the basement and try it on my P4 desktop yesterday when I had some real free time because the weather was nice so I did some work on my fox body instead. I don't regret my decision in the slightest.

>>4428915
>...and no sound. The game's sound works fine though, in pure DOS.
are we supposed to take your word for it?
you, who will try everything to shipost so he comes out on top? no way

>>4429193
Ugh maybe I'll make one with sound tomorrow and crosslink it to a board that allows sound webms but I'm sure someone will still suggest I edited the sound in later. While I'm at it I might as well try to achieve whatever slower speed that Anon has been trying to tell me it should be running at. 95%? 90%? How "too fast" specifically is it running? It's not very hard to adjust, especially down.

I may very well not though because this is already devolving into pedantry which is right in line with my point about how the majority of discussion in this thread is an even-worse version of the emulation vs real hardware shitflinging.

Our objective should be to achieve a pleasing gaming experience. For me, subjectively there is some merit to what I call the "texture" of using real hardware or as close approximations thereof as possible. It's a constant battle not to slip into the level where having hardware becomes more important to me than playing games because that's a downward spiral to joylessness and fuck that.

I'll take the high road and not even suggest it's poor skills that makes Anon want Wing Commander to run at a slower-than-optimal speed.

>>4429312
fuck off

>>4429312
>Commie flag

>>4429312
>I have a daughter and a young wife!
>posts this picture and thinks anyone would believe him

>>4429312
I've been to /g/ retro threads and people there genuinely enjoy the hardware itself more than just playing games on it

>>4429312
>unibroue

>>4429385
oh my fucking god

>gramps
>expects us to belive he EVER had sex or has a relationship with anyone with that kind of setup, nevermind being on /vr/ every waking moment of his pathetic life.

this is his life
its pure attention grabbing.
i doubt he has irl friends,
we are his friends.
we are his communication
we feed him replies
we enable him to do this
we are the only people he converses with
im genuinely sad, not that im talking shit on him, this is genuine shut-in behavior. we are in the company of someone who has no social life and posts on 4chan all day long. every day.
i dont want to talk shit on him anymore
im sad. theres a human being this disconnected and i share the same internet space with him. i want to talk to you, but you wont listen...

>>4429417
i will stop calling him out if he posts a pic, blurred out in the face, of his daughter.

gramps, take a pic, with timestamp clearly in the photo, of your daughter or wife, blurred faces, and post it. if you do this, no one will have the right to call you out anymore. this is all you have to do.

>>4429420
I second this!

>>4429312
Did he post this as a way to show off or something?
I better not criticise it, in his autistic mind he will think I'd be making fun of it because it's actually good.

>this is a 40 year old man's living quarters

>>4429312
>How "too fast" specifically is it running?
Your biggest problem is that it's inconsistent and I'm not sure you can do anything to fix that. The opening orchestra alternates between pauses that are too long and animations that are too fast, and the whole simulator section when you start the game is way too fast. Exactly how much is hard to tell from a tiny compressed-to-shit webm though. And I bet if you ran a real mission it would be at a different speed from the simulator, so fixing one will break the other. These are all common symptoms in Origin games of trying to slow down inappropriately fast hardware. It legitimizes that you're not using an emulator but it also shits on your argument that it's enough to just slow down more advanced hardware.

>>4418169
ASCII Pr0n

>>4429378
>>4429385
That's not my house, morons it's some anons battle station for whom I shooped a somewhat better arrangement (note the very obvious shooped)

>>4429385
>>4429417
I don't know when my son turned into a daughter but I agree it would be pretty pathetic to make up a family. I happen to be at a local Christmas event with mine at the moment and could take a picture of them but it would serve no purpose as I've posted many pictures previously

>>4429394
Great! That's fine for /g/. I don't go on /g/ trying to discuss games so they can stay on their board if they want to obsess over hardware.

>>4418169
Used to play Rise of the Triad at a friend's house growing up, seen some for sale online.

Anyone ever played the Expansion Extreme PAck?

>>4429443
>Great! That's fine for /g/. I don't go on /g/ trying to discuss games so they can stay on their board if they want to obsess over hardware.
This isn't about that, what I mean is that you're just saying that liking hardware also means people aren't enjoying themselves over that it's bad

>>4428842
It speeds up, then slows down slightly and generally plays too fast
That's not how it would be on real hardware, it would play at a constant smooth rate just like it was programmed to do

>>4429443
>That's not my house, morons it's some anons battle station for whom I shooped a somewhat better arrangement (note the very obvious shooped)
>posts picture thinking he's cool
>oh no people hate it
>b-but it's not even mine! ahah suckers *cries IRL*

>>4429459
The same as any of the other extreme level packs of this style, quantity over quality and levels that are difficult for the sake of being difficult. It's distinguished only by the fact that it's actually made by Apogee, but, other than the story stuff, if someone told me some 16 Russian kid made most of the levels I wouldn't be surprised.
You can get it here if you are into that sort of stuff.
http://legacy.3drealms.com/news/2005/02/rise_of_the_tri_2.html

>>4429495
Cool thanks

I was looking for a physical copy to buy online but I could only find 2 that had the extreme pack

>>4429474
That IS real hardware it just has its cache disabled. It's speed is consistent. The webm is only 10fps even if it was choppy which it's not you wouldn't see it. You're engaging in cognitive dissonance

>>4429479
It's funny because /vr/ regulars know what my living room and basement look like. It's only increasingly obvious you're some rescue from somewhere drawn here by a youtube link of your favorite talking head or heads, accusing me of some sort of universal qualities you imagine all tripfags must surely have. The fact that you just can't believe I have a tasteful if modest home and a beautiful living family just makes me appreciate them all the more. Happy holidays, Anon.

>>4429585
fuck off

I'd say that we are well served with emulation, between SCUMMVM, DOSBox and PCem you should be able to run pretty much anything from '81 to '96 or '98 depending on your computer specs. What is sorely lacking is decent support for mid/late Windows 95/98 games.

>>4429585
>That IS real hardware
It's not real 386 hardware you nitpicking retard

>It's speed is consistent.
No, even the 10fps webm has nothing to do with it, you can still see perfectly it's not

>>4430586
>The x86 platform isn't backward compatible at the hardware level
Okay. Yeah, I'm the one nitpicking here. Any inconsistencies on that 786 would be present on a 486. Go ahead and post your own webm of Wing Commander running "better" (slower, faster, smoother whatever you subjectively believe to be better) without emulation on any hardware. Dealer's choice.

>>4430043
No way, man. Haven't you read the thread? To play retro PC games properly now you need at least three different and very specific retro PCs and to like and subscribe to every channel in OP's video.

>>4430608
>To play retro PC games properly now you need at least three different and very specific retro PCs
This is true though. If you want the real hardware experience.
Emulation is not always perfect and different hardware can have different results, you posted a webm yourself.

>>4429312
wire management bro

>>4430608
>786

>>4430624
Different from what? Do we have to have no fewer than 8 different PCs one for each retro generation of x86 processor? Better double that and get AMD versions too huh because running a game designed for a K5 on a P1 is basically emulation. Certainly not real hardware. We better get in contact with the original developers to find out exactly what the test rigs they designed the games for were. God forbid we use a sound blaster when the audio was designed for adlib regardless of stated compatibility and holy shit can you imagine if the actual developers of the game couldn't remember and didn't care? I bet their brains aren't even real hardware any more. The only thing we can TRULY trust to show us EXACTLY how games should run is youtube videos.

>>4430675
Why are you shitposting?
It's generally true what the hipsters in the video said.

>>4418169
basically the same thing i do with a cellphone or an old tablet pc... emulate.

>>4430675
>t. I'm too poor to afford real hardware and enjoy my games
it's like you don't even play games

>>4420576
I would tell everyone to pirate Beamdoge's games on GOG though. Those guys and Tim whathisname...

>Why Double Fine is horrible
http://www.gamesradar.com/why-do-we-keep-forgiving-double-fine/

>>4430658
i786
NetBurst

>>4418169
/vr/ is about games
go to >>>/g/63595901

>>4430734
thanks grandma

>>4430734
>Whole thread full of videos about people turning on computers
What?

>>4418169
I think the only real retro PC I'd like to go back to is for post-DOS/early windows stuff since a lot of that shit doesn't really mesh well with modern hardware, Crimson Skies and Rogue Squadron 3D don't run for shit on my current PC even if I use all the fixes and workarounds.

>>4430730
Thought it was a Compaq Evolution N400C. Those had P!!!s in them which are derived from the Pentium Processor aka 686 architecture.

LOL@Netburst. The fucking madman!

>>4430789
*Pentium Pro.

Stupid autocorrect fucking my shit up everyday...

>>4430734
Why are their threads so cozy and friendly compared to the shit we have here?

>>4430806
Probably because they stay on their board's topic. Start a thread with a video about retro PC games and see how quick it gets deleted.

>>4430814
>Discussion-fucker attempts to deflect attention away from his discussion-fuckery and blame it on everyone else...yet again.

Will this shit never end?

>>4430814
But you are the one who usually derails threads

>>4430823
>>4430864
I post on topic in on-topic threads. Sometimes this assblasts certain anons for some reason and they directly engage me in off topic personal attacks which cause threads to become derailed. I have become aware of how this process works and now choose which threads I respond to them in and which I don't.

>>4430984
Think how simple it would be to just fix all of that and not having to worry about any of it anymore.
Just take off the trip.

Seems so logical and easy.

>>4430987
I'm afraid we're way past that, Anon.

>>4431006
Elaborate.
You don't have that much of a particular style of writing, as a anon you would be transparent and people would forget about you and the shitposting related pretty quick.

>>4431006
Kek

The fucking neck on this idiot

>>4430814
Every time these threads fly off topic you are always involved. kys.

Hey guys, just got a Windows 98 PC up and running (P3/500MHZ with a ATI Rage 128 Ultra 16MB VRAM). A few options I'm confused by is whether or not to enable palette based textures and compressed texture format (which I assume compresses the textures?)

Runs like a charm. Also, does anyone remember the original Rainbow 6's mouse look being really sensitive? Just wondering if that was how the game played or it's something on my end. There's a config file, but no mouse sensitivity option. Only sensible option is camera rotation speed. Set it to its lowest value and didn't seem to help.

FWIW, using an Intellimouse Optical and have Intellipoint running.

>>4432506
You could try adjusting mouse sensitivity in Windows just for R6, although that won't work if it grabs raw mouse data

>>4432439
This thread has been off-topic since the OP

>>4433156
Even if that were true, which it's not but let's imagine for the sake of argument, it should have been left to die.

Instead what happened is Cabbage Cunt waddled in with his blabbering yap and bump-fucked it from the get-go.

YEAH I MAD.

>>4433302
>grafics
Being this ass blasted
At this point, the name fag is winning

>>4433405
this

>>4433405
winning?
he's just as bad

two retards are still that, two retards

>>4433405
Sure looks like a "win" to me

>>4433463
So you're ban evading or photoshoppibg shit, or stealing his wi fi?

>>4433470
Sorry, I don't know the source of the image.
It does look correct though.

IP implies that he lives in Zanesville, Ohio.
That seems pretty correct as he talks about shopping in Columbus.

>>4433463
I think we have an overly-sensitive European mod.
I got a warning for saying no one cares about Europe.

Not to say I didn't deserve it, it was a stupid shitpost, but I think it's funny considering how common anti-american posts are.

>>4433480
Yeah! Let's dox him then go to his house and murder him!

>>4433480
>Zanesville, Ohio
holy shit I lived there. I probably know him. Theres a retro gamig store here called Bargain Box, maybe he's been there or worked there

>>4433507
Check the archives, he has talked about it before. Where he shops and that he lives in Zanesville.

>>4433507
Have you seen the pictures he posted about himself?

>>4433517
that place looks like columbus or a larger city. dont recognize it anywhere in zanesville

I checked the archive theres only a few mentions of zanesville and one he mentions bargain box and some other stores but nothing really useful to me.
didnt realize he's been here since 2013

>>4433480
>>4433507
>>4433515
Definitely Janesville.

A few months ago he posted a receipt with a branch ID which traced back to that shithole.

>>4433529
Zanesville*

>>4433529
>>4433532

I remember that.

>cheap and easy

>>4433528
>didn't realize he's been here since 2013
Yes, he only took the trip up in early 2017 as a birthday gift for himself after he got 40.
He's on a mission to "restore" /vr/ like it was in 2013. A self proclaimed messiah.

>>4433528
He used to go more into details about himself when he was an Anon.
I guess now he's afraid of actually being identified with all the shitstorms he is causing.

>>4433546
Zanesville isnt really that great of a place but there isnt a whole lot going on there. Most people who live there hunt, hang out at the mall, or do drugs. At least he has video games?

>>4433493

>>4433492
Pretty sure all the mods are murrican. Janitors maybe, but they don't wield the banhammer.

Face it, they're as tired of your shit as the rest of us.

>>4433696
Europeans are definitely the dewkissed blossoms of the world and must be protected from having their feeling hurt. The only option is to drag anyone who dares insult them into the street to be shot!

>>4433719
Glad you're finally getting with the program!

Only took 241 years too!

>>4433492
Oh no, how horrible.
This is a site where you can get banned for criticizing NTSC mind you. You're being butthurt that directly politically shitting on Europe wiled you a warning?

Proves the point of there existing a ex-colony of little snowflakes who are arrogant and ignorant.

The quality of /vr/ and all the threads has gone way up in the past 24 hours.

Grampses ban just lifted

>>4426823
>>4418169
This sounds way too complicated to play shovelware and horrible games

Princess Maker 2 and most DOS games worth anything run on DOSbox fine or have ports

>>4434101
Just now actually. Sort of telling that you're 7 hours ahead though...

>>4434623
>pic shows expiry of 6:55PM eastern
>the post you're replying to was made 7PM eastern
>you replied 11:42PM eastern
>7 hours
You planning on talking about retro PC gaming now or what?

>>4434623
Why are you lying? That post was made a few minutes after 18:55 ET.
First post after your ban and you already start lieing and shitposting and making dumb arguments.

>>4434679
>>4435351
he probably tried to post and got the "your ban has been lifted" message that you get even days after a ban has been lifter
for a tripfag he knows very little about 4chan

>>4434679
>>4435351
>>4435378
I see. Well, I re-enabled the cookie and used my trip and got a ban evasion note and a 6 hour expiration note. Maybe it auto-extends for ban evasion? There are more layers when your trip gets banned and as you know this is my first year as a tripfag so I'm pretty new to that at least.

How many meta posts are you guys going to have to make before this terrible e-celeb, hardware elitism thread gets deleted?

>>4434679
>>4435518
I'll take that as a no, then.

>>4419638
Hosting and maintaining a website is not free, you're correct. Neither are most games and music and movies. Do you see the conflict of interest here?

>>4435556
You should have read the whole thread before posting.

>>4418169
PCs aren't meant for games

>>4435518
want to hang out when I'm back in zanesville again? maybe the new ihop will be done by then

so its generally agreed ISA soundcards are better for old games?

>>4437941
DOS games, yes.
Also
>this fucking thread

>>4437941
ISA is the only way for DOS games, natively
PCI needs 3rd party drivers

>>4438970
cool thanks