/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4422925
Because I already beat every Klonoa game other than Heroes. Yes, even that shitty Wonderswan game, the pointless GBA games that bastardized the plot, and the volleyball game that had funny ending cutscenes and not much else to it.

I also plan to watch the anime film when it drops, hope they conclude Ariga's awesome webcomic in it. Shit, I wonder if the manga is canon too, I read that ages ago actually lol.

Nice crosspost from v, BTW dude.

>>4422943
You seem to be an Expert.

Rate Klonoa 1,2, GBA1 and GBA2 from 1-10. In turn I will you my opinion.

I've beaten Klonoa 1 just 5 minutes ago. I loved the plot twists in the end, I was on the verge of tears. I also love how the last battle consisted of 3 battles. The battle against Gadius was amazing too, it literally felt like a nightmare with the eery, odd music. I also love that you can select levels now and even try to get all 150 crystals. Next I will probably finish Klonoa 2, then the GBA Klonoas. Of course I will try to 100% all.

>>4422957
Alright, try as hard as you can to avoid spoilers for 2. The story blows the first game away.

The timeline goes

Moonlight Museum -> Door to Phantomile* -> Empire of Dreams -> Door to Phantomile bonus mission and ending -> Lunatea's Veil -> Dream Champ Tournament -> Beach Volleyball -> Ariga's webcomic (officially confirmed to be canon via Namco's statements)

* = the remake may have displaced the original as canon but since no further games were made it's impossible to tell for certain

The Heroes timeline is just Heroes and then the manga I believe. I've seen a longplay of Heroes with translated text but there's no romhack yet so that's the best I've managed, wish I could read moon runes but oh well.

But all jokes aside I'd honestly rec just playing Klonoa 1, then Klonoa 2, then maybe checking the ending cutscenes for Volleyball as they give some backstory for some of Klonoa 2's cast of characters and maaaaybe reading the webcomic, that is if you don't mind it being unfinished forever

For my personal ratings I'd say
Door to Phantomile: 9/10
Moonlight Museum: 3/10
Lunatea's Veil: 10/10
Empire of Dreams: 5/10
Dream Champ Tournament: 5.5/10
Beach Volleyball: 4/10
Door to Phantomile remake: 6.5/10

(If you want justifications for any of my opinions I'd have to give them in another post due to text limits)

Some links for obscure pieces of media, avoid since they contain spoilers for 2:
Manga: http://www.mangacrow.com/manga/kaze-no-klonoa/
Dream Traveler of Noctis Sol: http://klonoa.the-comic.org/
Translated Heroes playthrough: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtJTmD0IUag
Anime commercial for Heroes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNSUS9lyv8M

I should make a Klonoa series guide come to think of it...

>>4422983
Also if you like the dream world aesthetic of Klonoa, I'd definitely recommend a few other "dream game" platformers like Cocoron, Kirby Super Star, Kirby 64, Rayman Origins, and Mr. Gimmick. NiGHTS into Dreams is probably the most acclaimed dream game but it's not a platformer and I'm not personally fond of it so w/e. Ardy Lightfoot is literally the prototype to Klonoa but I don't think it's so great other than concept wise, albeit the game is less than an hour long.

>>4422983
Noice, my reply will not be long, but I definitely read it all and saved your links. What always amazed me were the boss battles. Far superior to Spyro and Crash IMO (altough I love these games too).

Anyway thanks for your time.

>>4423002
I played Rayman and Kirby, I will check the other titles out eventually.

I can recommend Tomba too. It is pretty dreamlike IMO, 2.5D and you can throw enemies like in Klonoa too! But you probably already know it.

>>4423038
Any time

>>4423049
I fucking love the Tomba games, Pandemonium is alright too

Because I already beat it a couple months ago. I'm going to play the sequel soon.

>>4423049
Play Gimmick, it's freaking amazing. Sad that I don't see it mentioned outside vr...

>>4422925
This should be THE PSX platformer, not Crash (pretty good, but not Klonoa).

>>4422943
The second GBA game was stupid hard.

How is the Wii version?

>>4426069
It's a competent remake aside from the voice acting. The 3D models are pretty good, there's a bit of bonus content like costumes to keep the experience somewhat fresh, it runs fluidly enough, etc. It just doesn't feel like it changes up enough things compared to the original to stand out and is definitely a more casualized experience meant to introduce the Wii audience to the series. I'd only rec it for hardcore fans who want to experience everything from the franchise or young children who would be turned off from sprite-based games I guess

Joka's voice is very sexy though

Namco also made 2 games for the Nintendo DS using the Keroro Gunso license and guess what...

https://youtu.be/ifonD9HzM50?t=3m45s

Here's the titles, they're a mouthful...

Chou Gekijou Ban Keroro Gunsou 3 Tenkuu Daibouken de Arimasu!
Chou Gekijouban Keroro Gunsou 4 Gekishin Dragon Warriors de Arimasu!

The GBA Klonoas are masterpieces. Probably more puzzle oriented than the Plastation releases, but great nonetheless.

>>4426361
What's great about them? The previous posters don't think highly of them.

>>4423002
Little Nemo is also a good one. Nice music and moderately difficulty

>>4426405
As I said, they are more puzzle oriented than the console Klonoas. I believe the GBA games put more emphasis in putting blocks and searching for keys. Also both games have bonus stages and, fortunately, not a single interruption in gameplay to play a cutscene.

I had a lot of fun with both games. I can't recommend them enough.

>>4428319
All 3 of the handheld Klonoa puzzle games have huge amounts of cutscenes though, particularly at the beginnings/end of worlds and during boss stages.

The bonus stages are pretty meh since they recycle the exact same thing endless times which aren't even that fun to begin with.

I don't have a problem with the puzzle-oriented gameplay but the complete lack of memorable soundtracks the console games are known for as well as repetition and boring landscapes like the desert or water levels make it a slog.

The boss battles aren't anything to write home about either especially considering a lot of them consist of just running away to the end of a stage without ever seeing them, let alone Moonlight Museum that doesn't even have boss fights at all.

Overall they have some interesting elements but it's kinda hampered by the fact they force each layout to be the same, 30 collectibles, 3 keys, 5 mcguffin things iirc, etc. Also the controls weren't exactly smooth either (especially compared to Klonoa 1 and 2) which just makes it more annoying to go through.

Worst of all however, even putting the shallow OCs aside and the mediocre at best plots, the stories are unforgivably awful because they effectively retcon half the series and many of the emotional plot twists no longer have any weight. Heroes at least had the excuse of being an alternate timeline so it was allowed to get away with fanservicey shit.

If you still like the games despite their flaws then that's all fine and dandy but they really aren't true Klonoa games in the slightest.

>>4428358
It maybe not a great Klonoa game, but still it's an awesome puzzle platafformer for the GBA.
I suppose it's a matter of taste, although both games got pretty good reviews.

>>4422925
this is why OP

>>4428805
If you care so much about not being a pirate then the game is on PSN for PS3 and PSP

>>4428830
i'm cool with emulation but i'm also a collector

>>4426097
I just started the Wii version, it seems way to simple so I'm moving onto something else.

>>4422925
i already beat it and its not that fun. solid 6.5/10 for me

>>4429674
Fair enough. I enjoyed it when I played it but I wouldn't replay it, like I said it's a competent remake but it doesn't really compare to the original or 2

>>4426069
>>4426097
Doesn't it give you like 10 hit points instead of 3?

>>4430540
I thought it was like
6 HP in DtP
3 HP in LV and the handheld games
10 HP in the Wii game

Fuck, it's already been over a year since I went through the entire series. Where did the time go?

>>4430553
>>4430504
Does the Wii game get harder after the first 3 levels? Does the gameplay expand beyond grabbing enemies and jumping with them or throwing them? The visuals are great but I just can't sink anymore time into this if I'm gonna get bored quickly.

>>4431992
It's easy as piss the whole way through and meant for the casual Wii audience of little kids and single moms

That should say it all my dude

I think they flat out removed spikes from one boss and lessened boss health bars, even

WAFU

>>4431992
Comfy games aren't supposed to be hard.

>>4431992
Nope. Klonoa is like Kirby where it's a beautiful game but very straightforward. Enjoy the experience and not the game.

>>4435437
simple mechanics but very well implemented imo

i've only only played door to phantomile and lunatea's veil but have finished both and completed the latter, never got boring to me

great game and great experience

>>4428836
Get a ps1 modchip, you will also be able Japanese games as well

I don't wanna watch the ending

>>4422925
Going from a /v/ Klonoa thread to a /vr/ Klonoa thread is really fucking wierd. I have a new appreciation for /vr/.

>>4438898
Some topics are better discussed on here, others are better discussed on v. For example, vr threads of some games like Mega Man won't devolve solely into "I wanna fuck Roll-chan <3!" like on v. On the other hand, trying to have a Chrono Trigger thread on here is a waste of your time and will only result in an absolute trackwreck of a thread, whereas on v Chrono Trigger threads are always comfy as fuck

>>4422925
Because I'm playing Tomba 2 right now.

>>4428836
then emulate?

>>4422925

Brave Fencer Musashi is comfier