/vr/ - Retro Games

Yes, but it's not /vr/

Yes, you posted one. Then there's also Saturn's.
>>4411491
Eh. Better than previous Sony d-pads, I guess.

The Dreamcast D-pad is criminally underrated. It's wonderful, I have and adapter to use it with MAME and it never has a problem with any 2-d fighter pulling off special and super moves on the first attempt.

>>4411496
is not underrated the d pad is shit!

>>4411486
Yes and it's on the Sega Genesis.

>>4411496
dreamcast dpad is one of the worst ever..

>>4411486
No

>>4411590
t. keyboardlet

>>4411486
Yes the Saturn controller actually had the best one. A lot of people foolishly give credit to Nintendo for making the best D-Pad but this actually isn't the case at all. In fact their D-Pads tore up your thumb after enough use. Even Sony gave us an upgrade to the Nintendo D-Pad. Their handhelds however have good D-Pads because they don't pop out and are rough like the ones on the controllers.

Its a real shame people are never going to realize how good of a controller the Saturn had. It is the perfect controller for 2D games.

>>4411491
First reply highest quality reply

>>4411604
>Even Sony gave us an upgrade to the Nintendo D-Pad
You what.
Both Sega and Nintendo's d-pads are much better than Sony's.
I think a lot of people realized how good the Saturn controller is, which is why there's a lot of chinese knockoffs of it.

Not VR but I like the secondary D-pad that comes with the xbox elite controller

>>4411631

>>4411628
Yeah, he's nuts. Sony's D-Pads are really rough compared to the SNES.

>Its a real shame people are never going to realize how good of a controller the Saturn had. It is the perfect controller for 2D games.

It is just a Genesis 6 button with extra shoulder buttons added...Plenty of people think the controller is good.

>the best Nintendo d-pad is stuck in their most failed system

>>4411486
Pro-tip: super glue a plastic shirt button to any d-pad. Instantly better. Then you can do your hadoukens without getting blisters.

>>4411628
>>4411635
You two clearly have never used dualshock 3 and 4 controllers otherwise you wouldn't ever be talking about them being rough. Nintendo's D-Pads weren't actually all that great. People just seem to like them I think because they are an easy recognizable aesthetic shape but that doesn't mean its good.

>>4411604
>Even Sony gave us an upgrade to the Nintendo D-Pad

yeah, no.

>fighting game on an SNES d-pad
not bad

>fighting game on a Saturn d-pad
fucking EVO finale contender right over her

>fighting game on PS1 d-pad
like sliding your thumb on a blunt cheese grater. inputs don't always key in. grime magnet

>>4411638
pic of yours, of you're just bullshitting

>>4411632
>>>/v/

>>4411652
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu-aLTRUoe8

>>4411496
Finally someone appreciates the DC pad.

>>4411652
Reminder that there was a japanese guy a few years ago that won the entire evo for street fighter 4 using a PS1 controller.

But yeah perfectly shit for fighting games isn't it?

>>4411486
No.
It's time to stop playing video games, I guess.
It's not worth it.

The N64 has the best one of all time.

>>4411486
the only one that i have a problem with is gamecube and that aint retro

>>4411636
Aren't those just Gameboy D-pads?

>>4411646
I have a PS3. It's the same d-pad since the PS1.
The DS4 one is different, a bit better, the segmentation is less pronounced, but it's still worse than Nintendo or Sega's d-pads.
I don't know if Nintendo's d-pads are or aren't "that great", but I feel they're better than Sony's.
I still don't know what Sony was thinking with the PS d-pad.
The whole "they couldn't use the regular d-pad because nintendo copyright" thing doesn't make sense because look at all these other d-pads that aren't as retarded and weren't sued by nintendo: genesis, saturn, pc engine, 3do

>>4411491
I don't get the Vita d-pad meme. I can't stand using that thing.

Which retro dpad was the most clicky? People praise nintendo but they're pretty mushy. >>4411632 is clicky as hell, almost too clicky. And the shape is poor for 2d and buttons are shitty

Clicky controllers are worse than sin.

>>4411935
I want to feel like pressing a button, not grandma's tits.

>>4411496
completely agree, i was a badman on third strike with that thing.

>>4411541
>>4411518

t. small cuck handed soyboys

Step aside :^)

>>4412024
>grandma's tits

Ps1 original conttoller is the best imo
Worst is xbox 360
You cant even play fighting games on that console

>>4412037
Samefagging your posts wont make Dreamcast dpad relevant. It was shit as fuck and totally inaccurate.

>>4411925
Pic related, it's pretty arguable if this is even a "d pad" though as it's more like a miniaturized and flattened arcade stick which can lead to arguments claiming d-pads are actually superior to sticks because of shorter travel which the neo geo pad also negates.

As far as the classic contenders, I think Nintendo has proved their cross-style controller is the easiest to get right and has been pretty right for a long time. If your thumb gets "torn up" from an NES pad's "sharp edges" then you've got some soft girly thumbs. The actual corners of the original pad are much more painful. Sony actually copied Nintendo damn near identically internally but sacrificed smooth diagonals for softer "edges" (and legally distinct don't-sue-us design) although I have calloused my thumb from them as well, and even cracked the plastic between the legs from being too intense in my late teens.

The "round" d-pad is clearly harder to get right as the 360 controller demonstrates but the Saturn 2 and Genesis 2 controllers both did a pretty good job. I'm still amazed by how small the Genesis 6 button controller is. Having been smaller is weird.

jap saturn pad has the best d pad ever made

>>4412089
>everyone who I disagree with is a samefag

Saturn had rockin' dpads but other than that, no, the best dpads are not retro.

>>4412107
Thanks gramps, anything other than Nintendo or Sony was very rare in my country so I didm't have opportunity to test them yet.
>that neogeo
That's amazing. Anyone know if the chink clones are made like that too?

>>4412181
where does this meme come from

>>4412181
I have a Jap Saturn pad right next to me. It is very good. It is also identical to the US Saturn pad and Genesis 6-button I also have.

Am I the only one who actually prefers the MK1 US/EU Saturn controller to the JP/MK2 one?

In any case the 3D controller beats them both into a cocked hat IMO.

>>4412289
I haven't used one of them since the 90s, I don't remember how they feel.

I definitely prefer the Genesis 3 button to the 6, though.

>>4412292
There are like 6 completely mechanically different revisions of the Genny 3 button.

You'll need to be a little more specific.

>>4412249
What's the best non-retro one then? I'd say it still counts as retro anyway since the Dpad is mostly used to play retro games, doesn't matter when the controller itself was made.

>>4412356
Switch Pro Controller, Xbox One

>>4412367
I have both of them, and the Switch's is too inaccurate without modification and the Xbox 's is way too clicky. Plus they're both not in-line with the face buttons so they're a bit awkward to play platformers with.

>>4412254
I'm pretty sure that specific warlock (the PS2 version) was only released in Japan and are more common everywhere other than the Americas so if you're chink-adjacent you might be seeing real ones (or real 4 button, AES versions) if they look the same. If you mean Hori's fight pad series they are quite prolific but the microswitches are far smaller and weaker. You'll get a similar feeling from a 360 controller that's been "Pringles modded" and it'll probably be more durable since even well used 360 controllers usually still have pretty clean d pads.They are circular though. Neo Geo pads actually are similar in concept to Action Max (>>4412056) which like many Nintendo bran accessories began life as a third party MSX accessory.

>>4412376
>way too clicky
It's weird to me that people say this but I've been thinking about what the difference between us is. I think you learn to like clickiness from playing fighting games where you have to be ready to split frames while for example shmups where you need to react as fast and smoothly as possible with no resistance.

Of course, if pattern memorization is part of the game it seems to me like clicky would be better... I dunno, I rarely take games to that level at this point in my life. For casual gaming comfort and convenience are top priorities and when I add in my cheapness element, 360 controllers are hard to beat. Analog sticks could stand to wear better.

>>4412181
those face buttons don't look very comfy to use

>>4412376
Oh I love the click on the xbone, and I haven't found the Switch's to be in accurate myself. I liked the Wii U Pro Controller and it's a step up from that.

>>4412445
You've never had any problems with misinputs because the diagonals are too sensitive?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOZ4EsGVBhM

>>4412457
Mine is definitely not that bad.

>>4412445
clicky is a good thing. the louder the controller the better imo

>>4412465
Agreed, hombre. I was really psyched about the Xbone controller when I upgraded from my 360, like a quantum leap in button quality.

>>4411652
>>fighting game on a Saturn d-pad
>fucking EVO finale contender right over her
>>fighting game on PS1 d-pad
>like sliding your thumb on a blunt cheese grater. inputs don't always key in. grime magnet
fucking lmao
>>4411709
louffy is french

>>4412441
You're one of those people who just keeps their thumb in the middle of the four buttons and rolls it around, right? Develop your claw.

>>4412441
this t.b.h

>>4412441
>>4412484
He's right though.
I love the Sega Saturn controller to death, but if there's one thing I criticize about it is that the small buttons (X,Y,Z) aren't comfortable, they are like beads and will make your thumbs hurt after prolonged use, especially with fighting games.
They should have made alll 6 buttons the same as A B C.

>>4412491
Fuckin hell how come literally every controller has to have one thing that makes it bad
I'm honestly considering building/modding my own controller at this point but I have zero knowledge of how to do that.

>>4412491
Meh. I guess I can recall some memory of uncomfortable shoryuken related fingertip sensations off those XYZs but Genesis and Saturn both have relatively high quality OEM arcade sticks (for not being muh real arcade parts nor swappable) so I used those back in the day. And on that note...

>>4412493
Building your own arcade stick is very straightforward and there are many kits available with a variety of type and quality components at a myriad of price points but even if you were to choose to build a "hitbox" (with 4 buttons instead of a joystick) that's still definitely not a dpad and ergo off topic for the thread.

>>4412512
Yeah I don't really play a whole lot of fighting games so I'm not looking to build an arcade stick, would it be simple at all to just mod the face buttons of a Saturn controller so they're not all different sizes and shit?

>>4412512
>pic
Nice. Would bring to a tournament.

If you can ever get ahold of the small 6 button pad that came with a model 3 genesis, it is hands down the best dpad I've used. It's actually better than other genesis pads, and even the saturn.

I just replaced the rubber contacts for my SNES D-pad and buttons and...wow. Do it if you haven't ever. They're worn more than you imagine.

>>4411604
This lie again. Do i really need to shitpost you into submission every thread anon?

>>4411496
that dpad sucked, have fun playing guilty gear with it

>>4412262
>>4412803
you can stop shitposting, fuckboi

SNES is best dpad.
This one was rather frustrating.

>>4411917
It's not quite the same d-pad. I've experienced the DS2/DS3 being a bit softer and somewhat more responsive, though that might just be wear and tear or stiffening of parts for the older controllers. Also, both DS2 and DS3 have pressure sensitive d-pads, which might account for them feeling different.

>>4412520
It would not be simple no. However, the Saturn 3D pad still has the Saturn d pad with consistent size buttons. Also since it looks pretty retarded you can still find them pretty cheap with a little patience despite them being somewhat uncommon.

I use a pair of these for my Retropie and PC emulation/platformer gaming. Basically a Snes controller with better ergonomics

Best d-pad I've owned on a pad. Didn't have a Snes so can't compare to that

>>4413020
That's nice but I don't want my controller to look retarded. Why didn't they just use the consistently sized buttons on the regular pad?

>>4413024
That's a HORI Pokken Tournament pad right?

>>4413034

yes.
Looks like its pretty expensive now - MSRP was like 20-25$ and went all the way to like 16$ because the WiiU was EOL, but now it's very expensive.
But now there's a black one for Pokken DX, for 25$, so there's that. Arguably a better looking one

>>4413048
Is the Dpad actually that good? It looks like it would be too clicky like the Xbone's

>>4413063

not clicky at all, light but firm without being clicky or mushy

>>4411925
These after market PS1/2 controllers have really clicks buttons, and they allow you to use analog control in games where analog control originally was not supported. I like them.

>>4413081
*Clicky

I present to you all the best d pad ever made.

Also anyone who says the Sony d pads are nice are delusional, play King of Fighters 98 for more than 5 minutes and see how raw your thumbs are.

>>4413092
someone already posted this bro
and can someone tell me what exactly about the Saturn dpad makes it so great? I've never used one but in my experience the circular dpads are usually shit (see xbox 360). It might be different than other circle dpads but is it worth the tradeoff for the weird face buttons?

>>4413097
It's totally different from the 360's circular pad.
This one actually feels like a d-pad.

>>4413097
Dont trust >>4413107 it is basically the exact same as 360. He just has some weird fetish for meming people into buying old crappy hardware. Snes is best baby, why be a contratian when you could just be correct?

>>4411902
you dont mind 360 d-pad?

>>4413131
>basically the exact same as 360
No, it is not. You can press up, down, forward or backward without it signaling diagonals.

>>4411486
Playstation D pad is god tier . Those 4 separate but equal direction buttons make for smooth gliding action. Nothing quite like it.

>>4413157
>smooth gliding action

>>4413157
They aren't separated.

>>4411604
>In fact their D-Pads tore up your thumb after enough use.
Maybe you just have bitch thumbs?

>>4413131
>it is basically the exact same as 360
You can stop lying. Not only are the two different by design, the reason the 360s dpad sucked is because microsoft went from a split contact to an weaved contact when they went from the Controller S to the 360 controller. People don't bitch about the Controller S dpad and for good reason.

>>4413163
segregated then.

>>4413182
AUTISM IS STONG HERE

>>4413187
>get told
>comeback with this weak shit
you failed hard

totally looks like an xbox360 dpad, totally

>>4413182
Again like i said its the same shit i dont care what this mong says. And it has nothing to do with the way it connects under the circuitry or whatever. It is the shape. A d pad should be + shaped and give you distinct directionals. This shit is circle feel as hell and that is why its shit to your thumbs. Just doesnt feel good and tight like a snes dpad

>>4413192
Jesus the cringe

>>4411921
Your mother says the same thing about you but still keeps you around.

>>4413197
Its all just as bad as the intellivision disc. A d pad is a d pad if you want a circle for precision cardinal movement your a special kind of retarded.

>>4413202
>>4413205
>>4413210
Please continue backpedaling and coming up with more justifications for your stupidity, the closest you've come to a 'Saturn' was your mother's old car and you have no idea what you're talking about. The end.

>>4411496
it's too tall. it feels like you're playing with three normal d-pads stacked on top of each other.

>>4411925
>People praise nintendo but they're pretty mushy.
is mushy really a bad thing when it comes to d-pads though? no one likes mushy buttons but a clicky d-pad just is just annoying, the xbone controller being a prime example.

>>4413081
I'm interested. Is there a specific one that you have?

ITT anons with pussies for thumbs.

I like micro switches.

>>4413028
I'm sure there was some rationale but I can't speculate because I always wind up on "to make it different from Nintendo" which is usually only marginally accurate.

>>4411596
For certain genres keyboard & mouse are better. Fps, rts, point and click, western rpgs, roguelikes, sim games ( not the sims, but that too) and text adventures. Althought you can play platformers, beat em ups, shmups, fighting games and racing games on a keyboard & mouse, a controller is far better.

A control scheme for a game is directly related to its original platform release. Pacman feels best on an arcade joystick, pinball is only really good on a pinball machine. Diablo plays best with a m&kb, smb plays best with a nes controller etc...

I think the point OP was trying to make was, a dpad is not the best way to play a majority of games forced to use them because of consoles. Marvel vs. Street fighter plays great on a cabinet, it is only acceptable on a dpad and it depends on the dpad. Same with a myriad if games for all consoles.

>>4413218
I have never backpedalled you just assumed i had a different problem with it than i had

>>4411486
I don't know why d-pads are something that's so incredibly hard to get right. It's the core of the controller and yet everyone always seems to fuck it up one way or another.

Only pads I've liked are PS2 and PS3's. Haven't tried PS4 yet but looks like it's in the same vein so it's probably good too. My Xbone pad is god fucking awful and now I have to replace the whole controller just because the pad is unresponsive.

>>4413020
>tfw only saturn pad for sale here without whole console is 3d one for 180$

>>4413081
Are they anything like original? I remember my thumb hurting like hell after a whole day of Tekken on PS2

>>4413325
I have a huge boner for mechanical keyboards and hate the feel of buttons on rubber dome, maybe that's my issue

>>4413489
Apparently SNK made an official modern usb version of those for PS3 so you'd think they would be avaible online.
But motherfucker is nowhere, harder to get than anything mentioned in this thread

>>4413631
>>>4411486 (OP)
>It's the core of the controller
For your average Joe the core of the controller is the shape. Moreover now even platformers are often played on analogues, only people caring about dpads are us retrofags and an even smaller group - people who play fightans and shmups on pad.
>Haven't tried PS4 yet but looks like it's in the same vein so it's probably good too.
I play on DS4 and I hate it, I constantly press diagonals when I don't mean to. I don't remember having same problems with DS3 or 2. I can't wait for that new Hori Mini wired controller to come out in 2 weeks.

>>4413759
>only people caring about dpads are us retrofags and an even smaller group - people who play fightans and shmups on pad.
Do you realize how many nu-males are in on the retro games craze these days? And I'd say the D-Pad is also really important for platformers too, which are popular as fuck.

>>4411925
>I’m an underage faggot who hasn’t used a Nintendo controller that isn’t worn from 20 years of use.

>>4414825
Sorry original nintendo consoles were impossible to get here faglord.

>>4414682
But platformers aren't as demanding on the pad itself as shmups and fightan. I was going to make that point in my other post but I didn't want to be "inflamatory" but since I guess I am I'll go on to say that the majority of retro gamers are choosing their controllers based on nostalgia or hipsterism neither of which requires an objectively "good" dpad

>>4414860
Yeah that's probably true, but what controller has an "objectively good" dpad to you?

>>4413759
Does this work for PC?
I saw this controller first on a jap site and they only mention that is compatible with the PS4
I want a good d pad for 2D games

>>4414897
If it uses USB 99% of the time it'll work on PC

>>4414841
Then maybe don't comment about them?

>>4414869
Neo Geo, NGPC
SNES, NES etc
Saturn (2), Genesis (6 button)

Even though I'm a notorious Sega kid, as much more of a fightan guy than a shmup guy I do prefer the Nintendo d pad to the Sega and on top of that Nintendo is more consistent with theirs across more platforms

>>4413759
For some reason I didn't read the details this thing is really small

>>4413489
Too slippery for me.

>>4415002
I mean it does say "mini" gamepad in the title

>>4415025
I said I saw it on a japanese site, the box doesn't say mini
In amazon US the box says mini. I should have read the details on the site. But is around the same size of SNES controller, so is fine

>>4415058
oh ok. I guess it's not TOO small then if it's about the size of the snes

>>4411496
Agree, it's perfect. Guess some people just have small, girly hands.

>>4415073
Here is the white one, the other colors are still on preorder

>>4411486
Turbografx dpad is perfect

>>4415132
Looks about the same size as the regular controller but without the handles, that's nice.

>>4413759
Analog is terrible for platformers

>hold right
>let go
>stick over compensates and goes back left a tiny bit
>now I'm facing the wrong way, or fall of a cliff, or hit something

D-pad 4 lyfe, it's the only way to get true precision.

>>4415174
Hmm looks pretty promising but there's only 2 face buttons

sega always had the best dpads but they would go to shit really quickly.

>>4415218

6 buttons, but weird wiring, actually is p1 and 2 pads in one unit. Google it for interestingness.

>>4415236
>sega

master system dpad was a mushy square with bumps

genesis dpad was a thick hardass cross

>>4412491
the cool part about the face button differences is that you can tell which row your thumb is resting on just from the shape.

>>4413753
I own that, I bought it a few years ago. It was already stupid expensive everywhere, except for some reason play-asia had it for MSRP to import from Japan.

I haven't used the original version but the USB version is pretty comfy.

>>4414897
Its not out yet but ps4 pad works with a lot of games right out of the box, and for the rest there is a great unofficial driver than can do a lot of stuff, like mouse control, media control, bluetooth and sixasis motions. So I think this one will work too since it's compatible with ps4 interface.

>>4415207
It is but you either got shitty analog or let go of it too fast.

>>4415058
Sony is trying to market it in the west as a pad for kids, all the ads and official articles have pictures of children and text about it fitting their small hands and pretty much nothing else. I guess only japs care about retro pads.

>>4415352
Is it much different than ordinary dpad? It seems more like psp analog than dpad, isn't the travel distance too big or not precise enough?

>>4414682
>platformers
>popular

you mean metroidvanias right?

>>4411496
I love everything about that controller BUT the thumbstick and d pad. I had to sand the texture off the stick because it started to grind my fingerprint off. that fucking d pad... too high and the corners are too sharp

>>4415537

Glorified turds is more like it. Enjoy your jump & runs, noob.

>>4414682
>Anon doesn't know that people use sticks for platformers
Better sit down

>>4411486

Is there any sega saturn usb controllers? And if there is where's the best place to buy them from?

>>4411486
The Xbone Controller

>>4415617
Why buy one when you can easily find truckloads of them in garbage dumps since they are soooo shit

>>4415617
There was an official one, google sls saturn usb pad. But I have no idea if you can find them now

>>4415512
yeah, it's pretty different from a dpad. I'd compare it more to the 3DS circle pad than the PSP stick in terms of how it moves, but with the microswitches it feels a lot less shitty than both of those. I only use it for arcade games though, for precision stuff I'd rather just have a dpad.

>>4416328
K thanks, you made me kinda more ok with probability of never touching it

>>4412181
Only problem I have with this thing is the start button other than that it's my top three favorite game controllers. #2 being GC and #3 being OG xbox model s

>>4411496
this dpad is absolute garbage, lmao at people praising this piece of crap

>>4417623
>GC
>Fighting games
Literally how. Trying to play capcom vs snk 2 on that was one of the most frustrating game experiences of my life.

>>4411496
I unirocially prefer the Dreamcast d-pad for tournament fighters because i find it really easy to hit diagonals

Quick, is the Horipad SS as good as official Saturn Controller 2?

>>4418357
Also why can't I find any opinion on it anywhere. Usually Hori are pretty popular among retro fans

>>4418369
you think that was difficult to find!
I dare you to try to find, a desert eagle dreamcast gun, is the rarest peripheral ever made

>>4418383
But it wasn't made by Hori, arguably the most famous third party controller manufacturer.
Why would you want a desert eagle dreamcast gun anyway

>>4418383
Top kek kid. I have two and that's no great accomplishment.

>>4418386
It makes me feeel powerful, like a real american!
look at that awesome recoil, I really want one!
the other like gun the pelican an dhte japanese one are weak, this one looks like the real thing!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYVJ5dCFzYQ

>>4418394
Oh damn now I want one too
Are there any other lightguns with recoil?

>>4418414
They're not that hard to come by but They add weight. Not Menacer/Super Scope weight but weight. The lighter the light gun the better. That's why OEM Dreamcast guns are the best ever.

>>4411486
Saturn controller you double nigger. Also Neogeo Pocket.

>>4418414
A buttload

>>4418420
>i never held a real gun in my life cuz heavy
lol

>>4418542
I've never held one up for several hours.

>>4418558
That's what she said. All that other shit and can't keep it up as well. I'd off myself if I was sad as you.

not really a controller, or even /vr/, but new 3ds dpad is god tier

Is there an adapter to use Snes Mini and Wii Classic controllers on Switch? Because a lot of games could benefit from that D-Pad.

>>4418896
It's good, but the placement is awful.

What should one pay for a white sega saturn controller

>>4418813
If I ever had a boner for as long a stretch as I've played HotD2 I'd probably consider going to the emergency room - and if I ever was in a situation I needed to hold up a real pistol that long I'd probably have a heart attack from the stress before my arms gave out.

>>>/k/

>>4419227
Thank you for your non service

never had a Saturn but I did have a Sega turbo pad.

Yeah, your mums

Wii U Pro Controller has the best dpad ever

>>4418896
The d-pad itself is good but it hurts my hand to use after a while because of how poor the placement is

>>4415585
Of all the things to be an elitist asshole about, why this?

What about the hori fighting commander for ps3/ps4 and xbox 360? Looking for an all-around controller to use for emulation that's usb.

>>4419549
>I single handedly liberated Fallujah from giant monsters with nothing but my side arm.