/vr/ - Retro Games

Haven't beaten Blood yet but will be playing it soon on DOSBox. Wish me luck bros.

Creepy

Some more pics.

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Probably the last bunch of problems I've found
https://imgur.com/a/hSjof

>>4384456

Impressive bugtesting, Anon. Not sure if he'll fix it, but good job nonetheless.

>>4384456
>that attention to detail

Wish you worked for id Software back in the mid-90's.

Episode 2 Map 8 using GDX. I guess this is the graphics glitch I've heard about, up to here everything was pretty much ok.

>>4384481
Yeah, yeah, this is getting fixed in the next version which is about to be released very soon.

https://forums.duke4.net/topic/9351-bugs-problems/page__view__findpost__p__290016

All palette 1 issues, including the skybox in 3 levels and the ghost ship seem to be resolved by the GDX author.

>>4384483
That's good to know, it's not exactly game breaking but it would be nice.

i live......AGAIN

>I need a key
>I need a key

stop posting pics with the BloodGDX port, it looks fucking awful and rapes the colour palette of the game.

>>4384775
>port

More GDX pics, as requested.

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>>4384801
i would fuck bloatoid desu

Congrats on making it to 500 posts last thread! Blood fandom is still kicking.

>>4385192
Yeah for real. Blood threads usually die off around 200 posts or so.

>>4384456
Fixed all these but the last one. File updated.

That pool of water is shallow because enemies were running into it, and if it's deep enough to submerge they end up in the lower linked sector completely instead of sticking halfway out. I think this is the reason you can wade around at the water's surface but enemies who aren't in the water won't see you.

how do I make this work with GDX?

>>4385349
Just put it in your Blood install directory, you can access Death Wish through the User Content menu ingame

>>4385316
Thanks, but does that candle on e1m5 and e1m12 suppose to float after all or you forgot about it again?

>>4385369
I swear I've fixed this error 3 times now. I need to get rid of all the old versions I have.

File updated.

Also, for anyone who's waiting on the GDX fix to play, I've been making little edits like this every day or two so you may want to download a fresh version when you're ready to play.

>>4385409
Great. Hopefully, these were the last problems.

>tfw first time playing blood
>playing on lightly broiled
>die like 4 times on E1M2
am I just a shitter or is this actually hard? also I'm playing it on GDX and no music plays during E1M2 although there was a track playing on M1. is that intended or is there a track that should be playing there?

>>4385608
I believe there should be music but I'm not 100% positive

As for the difficulty, it definitely takes some getting used to so don't worry. Also the very first level have very limited ammo and guns which changes quickly

>>4385608
there should be music on e1m2. I use bloodgdx and its there.

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>>4384437
are this pictures on GDX or dosbox?

>>4385919

GDX

I don't get all the bitching about GDX. Yeah it's missing the pixel shading, but aside from that and a couple of bugs, it's pretty much the best Blood experience you're going to get outside of having an old computer setup that can run it perfectly. A hell of a lot less finicky than dosbox too.

how is modding a game using the build engine compare to doom modding?

So I finally played enough of the game to judge it. Here is my first opinion on it. I'm playing the DOSBox version not Bloodgdx.

It is really hard. I tried the normal difficulty and it s very difficult so I had to lower it to the second difficulty. I died a couple times before getting to the second level. The second level I must have died a half dozen times even on the easier difficulty.

The controls aren't great. Its doable but it could control a lot better. Its also hard for me to tell if I'm getting shot by those illuminati guys. Also really wish you could keep attacking the axe enemies when they go down but don't die.

So it is a lot harder than Doom and Duke Nukem by a pretty good margin but a lot of it also seems to be thanks to the controls.

Now with that said I love the games atmosphere, the banter and the weapons seem pretty fun. At least the few that I used that is. The dynamites seem extremely good. I'll definitely try more but I'm guessing I would enjoy the game a lot more if I played Bloodgdx instead.

>>4386448
I don't think Blood is any harder than Duke 3D, but YMMV, of course.

What you have to understand first, that unlike the later shooters, movement is extremely important in Blood, since most enemies reactions times are very short and their attacks are hitscan (as in, they connect instantly without having any projectile reach you first). So what you have to do is always circle strafe, crouch and sometimes jump, in order to throw their aim off. Crouching in particular is very important as it significantly lowers the AI accuracy.

Use shotgun alt-fire and TNT as your main weapons. There's tons of TNT all over the levels, you'll never run out of it. The flare gun is not very useful apart from killing lone zombies, but its alt-fire and blow up a whole group of enemies. The tommy gun is mostly for mid to long range, doesn't do much damage and runs out of ammo pretty fast, but its long range accuracy is useful.

>>4386457
I tried it again on both easiest and normal difficulty just now. I got through the first level surprisingly on my first try on normal.

I find this game way harder than the other two games I said. I could actually put them on the hardest difficulty and get through some levels. I can't see myself doing that in this game at all. The cultists are way smarter than the enemies in the other shooters.

GDX 780 is finally released with a lot of fixes for DW in particular. There are some problems left, but it's still much better than before.

>>4386968
>GDX 780 is finally released
fuck yeah

>There are some problems left
Like what?

Blood has kind of ruined Doom for me, I'm ashamed to admit...

>>4386979
>Like what?
This fucking place. Luckily, there's only one place like that. And the fog on dwe3m1 it still completely opaque. Sadly, there's probably nothing can be done with these problems while polymost is used.

>>4386092
>downgrades the graphics severely
>'the best blood experience'

running DOS BOX is not finicky. Even I can do it and I'm thick as pig shit.

Here's what it looks like in DOSBox (see pic).

Again, this is palette#1 not acting like it should unless the sector is set to 1/1 Colored lighting.

>>4387030
Honestly, I can live with some graphical problems if this means perfect mouse support and 166fps.

>>4387054
Don't quite remember why it's acting like that in GDX, but m210 says it can't be fixed in polymost. So I guess people will have to live with that for now.

>>4387030
>play in DOSBox in 320x200 and still somewhat laggy and with fucked mouse controls
>play in native resolution at 999fps and with raw mouse input

nigga, which one would anyone choose?

>>4386991
Blood is a better game than Doom so don't feel bad.

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>>4387054
Yeah, that level's still got a couple of problems, like the fog disappearing when an explosive goes off. But eh, using palette 1 for everything in the sector is not really common and pretty hacky in the first place. None of the official maps do it.

One more thing, to anyone using GDX for playing DW. Do NOT install the skybox addon that comes as an extra with GDX, the textures are full color and won't take palette 1 adjustments. The voxel pack is totally fine though.

>>4387203
>fog disappearing when an explosive goes off

Oops, I take it back. This happens in DOSBox as well. I suppose the fog is really just darkness with white palette, so it obviously "lights up" during an explosion.

Hmm, this seems pretty good. I couldn't find any other bugs.

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>>4387086
Dude get a real CPU
I can run it at 640x400 +60fps with an old ass i5

>>4387265
Press T, type 'rate", press enter, then post a screenshot of your FPS during a heavy gunfight.

Probably going to be somewhere around 35.

>>4384328
>jumping across the pillars on Weird Science

>>4387705
I see somebody's never played Turok.

>>4387030
I don't know if maybe I need to tweak DOSBox or something here but I really don't get this whole downgrading graphics issue you guys keep going on about. I would rather better controls even if it sacrifices something. From what I seen GDX looks like an improvement across the board besides not staying completely true to the visuals even though it is very close anyways. The few levels I played its hard to see far off into the distance because of the graphics. The GDX videos I've seen seem to imply the game plays way better which to me should be most important. The aiming is really freaking finicky in this game, the DOS version I mean. I tried Duke on DOS and even though eDuke32 plays a lot better the DOS version of Duke at least doesn't control as bad as Blood.

>>4387030
>>downgrades the graphics severely
debateable.

yeah you don't get the nice software render with better shading (or whatever you call it) and richer colours but you do get to run the game at much higher native res with far superior performance. it's preference.

>>4388069
*also you don't get the 3D distortion effect when looking up and down in GDX since it's using polymost

>>4388073
That's because the original Build engine is a 2D game. You're literally looking at a 2D image pretending to be 3D. Take note of the shapes when you look up or down, walls will always stay as vertical lines, no matter what, you will never see them at an angle. This is the reason Doom doesn't allow you to look up or down, it just looks weird. Build is faking it by simply moving the viewpoint higher or lower and then doing a small zoom-in.

But anyway, yeah, it sure is nice to see Blood in true 3D.

>>4384328
oh god this switch isn't working

what is the proper way to deal with this guy? he is fucking my shit up in the mansion

>>4388328
Alt fire with the shotgun when he's not transparent. 2-3 shots should do it.

>>4388328
Just do nothing and let him charge at you. Then either shotgun alt-fire or tommygun.

>>4388328
>duke0028
for starters stop playing a shitty eduke32 mod

>>4384328
>that jump scare on the black tower

fuck you

They're easy once you get used to alt fire shotgunning them when they charge you

>>4385716
Yeah, the first couple of levels in E1 were brutal, but I just beat Tchernobog and I'm thinking maybe I should've set it to difficulty 4 instead. Some parts were pretty difficult or caught me by surprise, but overall I didn't really find it ultra hard. Also, is Tchernobog supposed to go down like a bitch? I think I chucked like two dozen napalm shots at him and he keeled over.

>>4388345
its hilarious how easy it is despite the hype up from their spookiness to the transparency and flying

>>4390689
The difficulty of Blood is a bit over rated.

>>4392269
This. It can take getting used to, but once you understand each enemy and each weapon the game is simple

>>4392269
Nah it is pretty damn hard.

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>>4394261
Really depends on the situation. Since the cultists are common as fuck and also hitscan, really the most deciding factor on difficulty is whether or not you have enough cover.

>>4394265
Just keep auto-aim on and shoot in their general direction the moment you see them.

Seriously, don't try to play Blood like a modern shooter, it just doesn't work.

Found a stuck spot

Someone one /v/ was saying there's a new source port?

>>4395571
BloodGDX
http://m210.duke4.net/

Make sure to install Java first:
https://www.java.com/en/download/help/download_options.xml

>>4384328
>Grab the mod here
Don't tell me what to do I'll grab it from wherever the hell I feel like.

>>4387030
GDX definitely outshines original in one aspect:
It fixes the bug that changes enemy's hp/damage after loading saved game.

does the story elementsof Death wish ad anything to the overall game?

How do I get this running properly in GDX? The individual levels show up in the list, but if I play them from there the game boots me to the credits screen at the end of the level and doesn't transition to the next one.

>>4397053

I think it does. What about you?

>>4397248
Just choose "dw.ini" in user content menu.

im having some trouble with level 1. i get to the stone gargoyle and he just will not die. i have used about 50 dynamite and 6 napalm shots. which is the heaviest stuff i got. shotgun doesnt seem to do anything either. i get to the point where i am just pitch forking him for like 10 minutes and he just wont die. am i missing something? i looked into videos of the level and i see people picking up the plasma cannon and destroying him but i dont have the plasma pak expansion. is it required for death wish? or is the first boss stone gargoyle like a weird puzzle or something?

>>4397358

Uh....Yeah...Plasma Pak required with all relevant patches, dude. I'm not sure the thing is even *completable* otherwise.

>>4397358
You need the One Unit Whole Blood edition of Blood. Buy/pirate the GOG/Steam versions.

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>>4397367
Ok thanks. I guess ill wait for it to go on sale.

>>4397961
No you should pirate it. Don't give money to the those greedy jews at Atari or whoever the fuck owns it. They don't deserve a cent until the source code is released.

If I keep getting a stutter every time the map has to load a new asset does it mean my hard drive is dying?

Same thing happens for me in gzdoom. I fire a gun for the first time since loading the game and the whole thing hangs for a few milliseconds.

>>4398021
You know they likely dont still have it. Besides gdx is close enough. I want comparisons of the contrary if you believe me to be false.

>>4398761
Jace Hall still got the source code and they won't let him to anything with it.

http://www.the-postmortem.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1889

>>4398782
He should just fucking leak it anonymously, there'd be nothing to implicate him and I doubt Atari would give a shit either way

>>4398885
Fixed here:
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How does one go about making a megawad like DW solo? Did Bloatoid work on many maps concurrently, or did he go map-by-map?

>>4398991
I think a better question would be how the fuck he managed to make so many good levels by himself where most megawads for Doom made by one person usually suck less than half way through.

>>4398991
I would complete the first draft of a level then move on, making edits/additions later after working on something else so I could get a "fresh" look. By the time I was done making Episode 3 I had gone back to make edits to the levels from the other 2 episodes dozens of times. Replaying the original Blood maps and other User maps also helped me focus on what I did/didn't like so I could apply that to my own project.

>>4399067
and aren't nearly as elaborate or as intracately detailed as Death Wish. the visual effects alone and general look of the game is really on another level. creating BUILD engine level expansions is also far more complicated than it is to make doom levels. shit's crazy.

>>4399201
Have you done any mapping for other FPS games?

>>4399781
I started with Duke3D then went to Blood, and began making Unreal / Unreal Tournament maps after that. I tried using Marathon's editor a long time ago and it was awful. Crysis has an easy to use editor. Blood is the only game I've made maps for recently, though.

If any game comes with an editor I usually play around with it. Skate 3 comes to mind.

>>4400196
You should definitely try your hand at Quake mapping. The community is pretty big and very friendly, and nowadays there's basically no limit on how big/detailed your map can be. And the modern tools are so easy to use. Check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6li9In9itc

Quake SP maps archive: https://www.quaddicted.com/
Quake SP mapping forum: http://celephais.net/board/
Best map editor: http://kristianduske.com/trenchbroom/
Map building tools: https://ericwa.github.io/ericw-tools/

Spooky World is genuinely quite spooky.

Oh god, 'The Thing' fucking mentally scarred me as a child so that level is horrifying in the best of ways.

Huh, first time ever getting door cucked in BloodGDX. Kinda neat.

>>4402360
BloodGDX takes great pride in faithfully reproducing murder doors and finicky sector based explosion splash damage. Developers intended etc.

>>4402365
lol yeah that shit is annoying... but I still consider it my fault that I die at this stage because of a door. since I now know about it, it's just another obstacle to be wary of.

Finally playing through DW1.4. Webm related was really cool, reminded me of Alien Vendetta megawad, though I know Bloatoid had already implemented a similar effect in DW before with that awesome 'The Room' level with the shrooms.

>>4385608
its that hard

>>4398854
this Ive always said this too like burn it on a bunch of CDs and just leave them in public places hoping someone takes one and uploads it. its not like you can get in shit for "losing" your own possessions.

>>4402372
>Alien Vendetta megawad
*I meant Ancient Aliens

>>4398782
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>>4402385

I feel Jace Hall was never being entirely honest with the Blood community regarding his intentions in pursuing the rights to Blood. The more he heard what the community actually wanted to happen once he regained control of the rights to the first game (release it in the style of Duke and Shadow Warrior), the less enthusiastic he seemed to become. Near the end he became downright uncommunicative, and had to be hounded across multiple websites and platforms before he'd even reveal that he'd failed.

I think it may be for the best that never panned out.

Hey, thanks for the webms, whoever is making those.

>>4384328
Could someone please give me a setup guide for BloodGDX?

I got it to run and everything but my saves never stay when I quit the game.

>>4404979
It might have something to do with the version of blood I'm using.

I'm using One Whole Unit Blood (GOG version)

>>4404979
You can use whatever folder for saving BloodGDX config and save files Try a different one, I guess? This is the first option you see in the launcher.

Or you're probably being a retard and have Blood installed to Program Files.

Using BloodGDX. Suddenly I can't see messages any more, is there a way to re-enable them?
Also, how do you get the hands off if the screen goes dark? No amount of button mashing seems to get them off

>>4405320
Press F8 to disable/enable messages. Yes, it's close to F9 (quick load) and that's how you accidentally pressed it. No, you can't rebind it.

Mash the "use" button when you're being smothered by a hand.

I tried running this in DOSBox and got fucked up colors. Is there any way to fix this?

Am I supposed to do something else here? It's E2M10. I've used all the keys but the door won't open, on its own or with the use key.

>>4406004
Never mind, I am retarded, and I forgot that the mod comes with a walkthrough.

>>4384328
What should I use for the MIDI synth setting?

in BloodGDX I mean

>>4406381
Whichever one sounds better on your system. How should we know?

These help desk type questions are getting annoying.

>>4406381

You've not truly experienced the soundtrack of Blood until you've heard the Gravis version. Blows the normal synth the hell away.

Didn't find a thread about Blood in general so I guess I will ask here:
Can somebody give me a tip on getting cd audio working on gog version running through bloodgdx? I only have midi options in the launcher window. When I launch Dosbox - CD Audio works without any problems.

>>4406421
BloodGDX doesn't support CD audio (or CD rips) yet.

>>4406425
Oh. Thanks.

>>4389736
FUUUUUCCCCKKK

I don't wanna sound salty but that pissed me off. Not a fan of jump scares. Hoping that is the only one.

I flinched so hard that my cat got spooked by it.

>>4406575
The only place in DW that I got legit scared is the final part of the The Thing level. You enter a small cave, everything goes dark, there's a lot of screen shaking, weird sounds coming from everywhere, the boss screaming and tons of spiders everywhere. Almost got myself killed because I just started shooting in random directions.

>>4406587
Yeah that whole level was top notch, are those screams in the game files or did he rip them from the actual movie?

Anyway, that bit earned it's scare, unlike the cheap bullshit on black tower.

>>4406596

It's actually just rarely-heard spidermother sounds.

>>4406596
>Anyway, that bit earned it's scare, unlike the cheap bullshit on black tower.
Best scare in the entire game, out of fucking nowhere. I loved it.

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>>4407110
Would TNT be High Ex?

>>4407565
nah... TNT is TNT. judge doesn't use anything comparable tee bee aitch

>>4384328
GDX is based off the alpha code right?

Is there any real difference between the old code and the release code?

>>4407703
>GDX is based off the alpha code right?
No.

>>4407703
>GDX is based off the alpha code right?
No it's not. This seems to be a common misconception. BloodGDX is based off of Blood retail 1.0 release but the leaked alpha source helped with decompilation. BloodGDX is somewhere between Blood 1.0 and 1.21 retail releases.

People that claim GDX is the same as the alpha are fully demonstrating how ignorant they are about the game. This is what Blood alpha gameplay looks like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10qOUnqu5Gc

>>4407703
>GDX is based off the alpha code right?
No it's not. This seems to be a common misconception. BloodGDX is based off of Blood retail 1.0 release but the leaked alpha source helped with decompilation. BloodGDX is somewhere between Blood 1.0 and 1.21 retail releases.

People that claim GDX is the same as the alpha are fully demonstrating how ignorant they are about the game. This is what Blood alpha gameplay looks like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10qOUnqu5Gc