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4397312 No.4397312 [Reply] [Original]

Do you think Nintendo's strictness towards third party companies was justified during the NES and SNES era?

>> No.4397327

>>4397312
To my understanding, their entire deal with licensing and limiting release was partially there to prevent the next Video Game Crash from happening.

Basically, because Nintendo limited amount of games one company could release, idea was to incentivize developers to release small amount of good games instead of huge amount of garbage cash-ins.

And I guess it worked, in the end average NES game is much higher quality than average Atari 2600 game.

>> No.4397364

>>4397327
>partially there to prevent the next Video Game Crash from happening
God bless Nintendo, protecting us from the greatest crash world ever seen.
>>4397312
No, it wasn't justified at all, and these are purely American matters in their US echochamber market.

>> No.4397374

>>4397312

Yes, but only for the NES. They should have begun phasing that out in the SNES era, and it should have gone by the wayside by the N64. Instead, from what I understand, 3rd-party devs were *still* saddled dealing with that bullshit in the GCN era.

>>4397364

>No, it wasn't justified at all, and these are purely American matters in their US echochamber market.

Worth noting. Only in America can a market be allowed to become so dysfunctional that even its mere creation results in some retarded boom/bust cycle.

>> No.4397509

did you know Hiroshi Yamauchi wasn't actually a human being? He was a vessel that enclosed 7 yakuza oni spirits from 7 different regions in Japan. These oni monopolized the gambling in Japan with the hanafuda Nintendo cards and put a spell so that no other company could produce cards, truly evil.

Yamauchi, often referred to as "大魔王 ティラノ天堂" (Great Evil King Tyranotendo), tyranized the video games market with his monopolic practises, it is said that the Master System or the PC Engine didn't actually ever exist, and that they were invented time after so hide the fact that the Famicom was actually the one and only console existing in Japan.

>> No.4397515

>>4397312
Yup.

>> No.4397553

>>4397374
All that wii shovelware tho.

>> No.4397558

You should keep in mind that one company was only allowed to release X amount of games a year for the NES. That is crazy!
>hey you want more of our games? It's not like developing takes time. We are actually fast. It's just that Nintendo doesn't allow us to be busy and make many games

What was the solution to this? Company X just created a NEW sister company so they could also produce X allowed amount of games and so on. A loophole in the Nintendi system.

>> No.4397563

>>4397327
>To my understanding, their entire deal with licensing and limiting release was partially there to prevent the next Video Game Crash from happening.
No it wasn't. Manchildren on the internet parrot this because they want to see Nintendo with these nice rose tinted glasses.

Large companies routinely broke this rule (Looking at you, Namco), or just made a second company (Looking at you, Konami).

Nintendo just did it to make sure they controlled the market. Plenty of shovelware made it's way onto the NES. If Nintendo cared about "preventing the next crash" they would have stonewalled a lot of the LJN shit.

The gaming market was growing, with or without Nintendo. Arcade profits grew in the 80s, and home computer game software grew too. WIth or without Nintendo.

Look at Europe, they did fine with Nintendo ignoring them (Sales wise, I can't speak for the quality of most of their micro computer software), If it wasn't Nintendo, it would have been NEC (With Hudson in tow means they wouldn't have been afraid of Nintendo cutting them off) or Sega grabbing the market.

The idea of controlling the quality of the software is so farfetched it hurts. I don't know why this shit keeps getting parroted. Stop paying attention to Youtube shit.

>> No.4397603

>>4397364
Sup Australia-kun

>> No.4397658

>>4397563
>stop paying attention to Youtube shit
Maybe you should also do that considering the fact you have to mention that one company that a certain e-celeb keeps shitting on.
However you're still right about Nintendo being praised for being some god send while in reality it was and still is for that matter a company just as much miserable or greedy like the rest of them.

>> No.4397660

>>4397603
Wasn't Australia-kun anti Nintendo because that was the most popular in America and not where he spent his childhood? I'm not even sure if he still lurks this board.

>> No.4397762

>>4397658
You're hilarious.

>> No.4397778

I wonder if people outside of the US buy the story that Nintendo saved the video game industry.

Where is the reports that say there was a huge crash that affected the industry as a whole? The only thing people point out is E.T failing.

>> No.4397781

Yes letting third party companies do whatever the fuck they want i.e sony is the reason why a lot of these modern games suck ass

>> No.4397905

>>4397781
This. Kids who don't understand business will whine that Nintendo was being mean, but protecting your company brand is extremely important. It's part if why Nintendo still thrives.

>> No.4397908 [DELETED] 

>>4397905
>>4397781
>$2.20 has been deposited to your account

>> No.4397913

>>4397908
You probably really believe that don't you? Paranoia is funny.

>> No.4397930

>>4397327
The make-a-quck-buck devs have been a thing with every single console release.

>> No.4397934

>>4397778
For most of us the crash meant little more than cheap games getting cheaper.

>> No.4397935

>>4397563
The funny part is restricting the chip types in the us directly caused worse ports.

>> No.4397970

>>4397913
>third parties may not have the same game on different systems without a name change
>good thing

>> No.4397990
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4397990

Wasn't that just a measure in America (maybe Europe too)?
I assume in Japan they had some sort of exclusivity contract (although some games had versions on computers too), but I don't think there was a limit at how many games someone could do.
Anyway Famiclones (the good old clones from the 90s, not the modern 1chip shit) > Famicom > NES

>> No.4397998

>>4397990
I think so. They're 'saving the industry' stance certainly contributed to their hubris that led them to carts in 90 fucking 6. The same hubris that led them to trying to get MK1 as an exclusive and then butcher blood out. The same hubris that made them fully behind proposed government censorship to get rid of Sega. The same hubris that led them to sue Blockbuster. Etc, etc.

>> No.4398001

>>4397312
Though I do not agree with it from a moral standpoint, and courts disagreed from a legal standpoint, I do not fault them for wanting strict quality control after the trainwreck that was the Atari.

>> No.4398002

>>4397998
Carts on the N64 has nothing to do with what NoA was doing though, N64 was designed in Japan.

>> No.4398007

>>4398002
Yeah that was more about piracy making them go full retard. The funny part is n64 cart dumping is way easier than making an iso.

>> No.4398015

>>4398001
How were they being immoral from your viewpoint?

>> No.4399982

>>4397312
They were never justified. Every decision Nintendo has made was anti-consumer in every conceivable way. Third party developers should be allowed to do whatever they want, they shouldn't be restricted to nazi rules. Who are they to decide to censor video games? It should be up to the consumer to buy an uncensored copy of Mortal Kombat & Robocop Vs Terminator. Who are they to decide on whether or not we can cheat on our games? We should have absolute freedom to use Game Genie. Thank God Nintendo lost that court case. Who are they to decide whether or not we should stream games on youtube? We should have absolute freedom to stream whatever we wanted to stream.

In the end Nintendo was very anti-consumer. Thank God there were companies like Sega to compete and stand in their way.

>> No.4400008 [DELETED] 

>>4399982
No one has the right to stream others' intellectual property, and youtube is the biggest cancer this world has ever seen, Nintendo is doing God's work.

>> No.4400021 [DELETED] 

>>4400008
>Nintendrone detected
What's it like to be a brainwashed sheep of Nintendo? Instead of thinking for yourself? If anything Streaming benefits Nintendo because it's free advertisement. There's no harm in stream games. Why shouldn't people enjoy someone playing Super Mario World or Mario 64 & commenting on those games during streams?

>> No.4400024

>>4400021
millennial youtuber logic everyone

>> No.4400028

>>4397553
>nintendogs
handhelds as well

>> No.4400029

>>4398015
Anyone who tries to use lawsuits and contracts to stifle competition is immoral in my eyes.

>> No.4400034

>>4400024
Streaming is infinitely more effective than shitty banners or cringy live-action ads.

>> No.4400036 [DELETED] 

>>4400024
>Nintendrone angry.
I suggest seeking anger management therapy. There's no reason for you to be against youtubers streaming Nintendo games. You don't see Namco throwing a fit over people streaming an old game like Splatterhouse or Pac Man on youtube, do you?

>> No.4400161 [DELETED] 

>>4400008
Okay Nintendrone.

>> No.4400162 [DELETED] 

>>4400161
Okay dipshit child who doesn't understand how the adult business world operates.

>> No.4400169

>>4399982
/vr/ has gotten to the point where it seems equally possible that this is either dank dank trolling or someone being completely serious.

>> No.4400287

Companies like Nintendo are exactly why anti-trust laws exist. Competition is essential to a capitalist economy, and Nintendo tried to fuck over competing hardware developers at every turn.

Yes, Nintendo is largely responsible for breathing life back into the video game industry, but had their monopolistic practices been allowed to continue unchecked, that same market would have stagnated and crashed again. Not everybody cared for Nintendo's persistent "family-friendly" image. When more mature platforms like the PlayStation and Xbox became available, they gained a strong foothold into the market because that's exactly what consumers wanted but had been deprived of thanks to Nintendo's bizarre localization and content policies.

>> No.4400295
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4400295

>>4400287
>more mature platforms
Just more mature marketing. In practice, it's not really like that.

>> No.4400302

>>4399982
>Who are they to decide whether or not we should stream games on youtube? We should have absolute freedom to stream whatever we wanted to stream.
What are you talking about? Nintendo never censored any playthrough on Youtube. They just made it harder for youtubers to monetize it, right? In that case, I side with nintendo. Fuck e-celebs.

>> No.4400307

>>4400295

There's a much greater volume of T and M games for non-Nintendo platforms. This is not a coincidence. Nintendo's reputation as a family-orientated company still lingers today, to the point that newer generations of third-party developers opt to self-censor during localization to avoid being rated up by the ESRB.

>> No.4400314

>>4400307
>There's a much greater volume of T and M games for non-Nintendo platforms.
I never started counting them out, but I know that PC is the platform with the most family-friendly software (edutainment alone is enough to prove this claim).
The reputation of NIntendo as family-oriented is true in the west, but again, it's all marketing.
NoA uses it to their advantage ("Look, we're good to the family") and Sega/Sony/Microsoft use it to their advantage as well ("Look! we're mature! blooooood!").
That doesn't stop Sony from having Barbie games, or Nintendo from having Clock Tower or Goldeneye.

>> No.4400383 [DELETED] 

>>4400162
>Getting this angry.
>Brainwashed Nintendrone detected
Continue defending Nintendo's anti-consumer actions like the good little sheep you are.

>>4400169
Or you being completely idiotic.

>>4400287
Exactly. I'm thankful that companies like Sega & Sony stepped in to give us mature titles. Unlike the nazis at Nintendo thinking censorship is a good thing.

>>4400302
Go ahead and side with the company that's against free advertisement for their games. But there's no denying that they are against streaming... https://techraptor.net/content/nintendo-creators-program-bans-youtube-live-streaming

>> No.4400389 [DELETED] 

>>4400383
This is basically a YouTube comment.

>> No.4400425 [DELETED] 

>>4400389
>This is basically a YouTube comment.
^This is basically a Nintendrone comment.

>> No.4400453

>>4400425
>>4400389
Both of you stop bollocking about.

>> No.4400460 [DELETED] 

>>4400389
Youtube is full of people dickriding Nintendo 24/7 and refusing to call them out for literally fucking anything. They would suck Miyamoto's dick if he shat on their mom's grave, how out of touch are you?

>>4400425
IKR? It's funny how much they play the victim card when Nintendrones treat everybody else like garbage and ignore it when other gamers have to go through shit.

>> No.4400467

>>4398007
>The funny part is n64 cart dumping is way easier than making an iso.
Huh? Can't you rip PS1 games with a regular CD drive? How would that be harder than having to buy specialized hardware?