/vr/ - Retro Games

>stalker
>streets
>xplasma
>bulletdam
>dukelinka

>>4311459
all of the anime girls in SW are poorly drawn, and clashes visually with everything else in the game. it's one of the reasons I hate that game.

duke had some comfy music, but nothing memorable. blood midis are where it's at:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L928CmhAPQY

and more specifically:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NnUrQiygL4

The Haunting music is the only bearable track in Blood. All the rest are generic shit, nothing compared to Lee Jackson's awesome tunes.

>>4311474
>all of the anime girls in SW are poorly drawn, and clashes visually with everything else in the game. it's one of the reasons I hate that game.
but isn't that the joke

>>4311853
also is it me or is dook impossible to play without auto-aiming for hitscan weapons

i swear to god, your reticle is off the target for about 1cm and you will miss every shot

>>4311836

Only the second part of your statement has any merit; as awesome as the soundtrack of Blood is, Lee Jackson/Bobby Prince cleans the floor with it. Of course, the dynamic duo is getting twice as many bites at the apple, so to speak. Perhaps the comparison is not entirely fair.....

>>4311836
The best Lee's tunes are the ones from RotT though.

>>4311474

xplasma is memorable. What the hell are you talking about?

>>4311876

I could never get into Rise of the Triad.

>>4311880
it just needs a better source port
>ecwolf support never ever

>>4311878
It's really sad that Derelict's tune is so pale in comparison.

>>4311883

Which one was that? All I remember was calypso, the song after.

Such a perfect endsong....

>>4311896
Floghorn, if I am not mistaken.

>>4311907

Gonna look it up on Youtube right quick, assuming the bastards haven't ContentID'd that too (useless cunts....Can't even get a full Tales playlist anymore.....).

>>4311474
Blood's midi OST is a masterpiece. I hate the CD audio though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L928CmhAPQY
Do pic related for the above video.

>>4311883

I don't find it bad listening. Just slow and ponderous. I mean, it does fit....The Derelict is a pretty depressing place.

>>4311952
Blood's OST is wonderfully spooky.

>>4311952

The CD Audio for Blood can eat shit and die, far as I'm concerned.

MIDI+GUS1024KB will give you a godly soundtrack to be pure evil with.

>>4311954
Well, it does fit, but it doesn't really do for this level the sort of thing xplasma did for Dark Side, you know? It's just, it could be better, moodier, more unusual, more unexpected, more SPECIAL. It could make that level stand out from the rest much more (the similar way xplasma made Dark Side stand out more via creating this sort of ethereal, dreamy, slightly weird atmosphere of not quite being there and being not quite certain of what to ultimately expect, like in a dream). Instead, it just, well, fits. I can't help, but feel, that in some way, it's kind of a waste. Derelict is way too good otherwise.

>>4311983
>>4311952
I thought the cd audio sounded nice.
Better for exploration though I can see why you would want the midi if you knew the levels like the back of you hand.

>>4312020

I thought the CD Audio was obnoxious. To me, that's not a good quality to have in music, period. Your tastes obviously vary from mine.

>>4311987

Oh, I get ya; it doesn't do anything to enhance, merely compliment. xplasma actually made me feel the wonder of walking on the fucking MOON.

Sorta made up for the missed opportunity at Tiberius Station.

>>4312036
Actually, come to think of it, for me, Dark Side is pretty much Duke's dream, or rather a part of the game for which it's impossible (well, not really, but it would be easy to make it actually impossible) to know, whether the events comprising it were a dream or not (in contrast with pretty much everything in the dream from DNF, which was apparent, predictable and not really all that dreamy at all).

>>4312061

I have no clue about anything after Duke3D, sorry. I interpreted every event in Duke3D as actually occurring; they actually found a fucking monolith buried in part of the moon. For unknown reasons, it transported Duke exactly where he needed to go at that moment (mind reading?).

This is a universe where all the action hero bullshit actually happens, remember?

>>4312061
And Derelict, also come to think of it, for me, is (in contrast with supposed "I am sleeping" from Dark Side) something like "IT is sleeping". As if the ship was this, somehow, in some sense, a living, animated thing, that is (or is a part of) something much more sinister, potentially dangerous and malevolent, than those caricature aliens Duke is fighting, something like a third force or a part of it, like, something, that is much better left alone and undisturbed.

trying to map in mapster32

why aren't most of the textures named, what the fuck were they thinking

>>4312086
But even an action hero could see a weird dream now and then, couldn't he?

Anyway, I am not debating your point of view, I am merely saying that this level made such and such an impression upon me - an impression I've only managed to put into words, well, in >>4312061.

>>4312108

I always wanted to do a BUILD engine fork that combined the best bits of all three of the Triad's content toolchain. Like, the openness of the 3DRealms ones with the usability improvements of Blood's MAPEDIT.

Fuck, I've got all kinds of ideas. No programming skills though.

So how dead is build games mapping community?

>>4312354
pretty dead

i'm sure the reason is the aforementioned issues with the editors

like how the fuck do you even delete vertices in mapster32

>>4312357
>deleting vertices
connect the vertices with each other, don't know any other way around it
just don't delete sectors this way, it can fuck up the map pretty bad

>>4311883
That's almost like a nonsong. Derelict is a map that actually plays well without any music anyway, it's dark theme doesn't need it.

The best song is Dukelinka from episode 5 btw. It deserves a better level, than a random usermap with russian textures.

>>4311853

I always make sure I die to at least one anime girl per playthough. For some reason, I tend to have it so that the bathing one kills me.

is there anyone here knowledgeable of the eduke32 internals

>>4312527

Only in as far as I can say they're pretty different from the vanilla source at this stage.

gotham.mid makes me sad.....

>>4312535

Why? It's not a sad song.

>>4312581

I dunno. It just does. That subway kinda makes me depressed.

Am I the only one who thinks Lee Jackson was far superior to Bobby Prince?

>>4313337

No, in fact since Shadow Warrior is all his work alone, we have a convenient yardstick by which to judge the two side-by-side.

And holy fuck, is Jackson more versatile.

>>4313350
I'd say it makes more sense to compare Jackson's RotT with Prince's Doom1.

The only good Doom soundtrack was the one on the Central Processing level. I had huge troubles with that map in my childhood, that might be the reason why I memorized itbfor my entire life.

>>4311853
this

Shadow Warrior is basically a combination of chop socky movies combined with every weeb anime fan page on the internet in the 90s

>>4313516
Like Duke. The game is a parody of action movies. Welcome to 1996 anon.

^

>>4313516

AKA: The best.

>>4311863
BUILD engine games were designed with auto-aim in mind and have hit detection issues without it. Not just that, the aim control itself is not super great, even in sourceports like eDuke32 it feels a bit strange. This is why personally I don't play these games without auto aim enabled.

>>4315341
it's strange in eduke32, but it's still the best out of every port

what i dont understand is how doom, a game that never had any kind of mouselook, manages to have a good implementation in most source ports while build/alephone can't

Can somebody please take a screenshot of this section of their blood.ini config from gog?

I edited this to make it so that the cutscenes don't play every time I play the game but now I want them back and don't remember what the correct command lines are. halp.

>>4315341
>>4315397
also the mouselook in SW Redux is fucking PAINFUL

>>4315397
Can't speak for the mouse aim itself, but in regards to hit detection Doom has MASSIVE hitboxes. It's like Quake where it's a gigantic block that goes well beyond the outline of the enemy character models.

Anyway I find the mouse aim in BloodGDX to be pretty good. I still play it with auto aim on though, as I feel BUILD games play much better that was because of the hit detection shit (in fairness I'm only assuming though and haven't tried without it).

Hell I still play Doom with auto aim on without mouse look as well because without it you can make shots from distances you're not supposed to be able to do, it's essentially cheating, but that's another story.

>>4315459
It's tied to your FPS for some reason, so turn off vsync.

>>4315341

I keep autoaim off in Duke so I can hit mini Battlelords with the Shrinker.

is this any good?

>>4315679
>playing any FPS without auto-aim

>>4316347
>playing any FPS with auto-aim

>>4316347
>>4316395
>playing any FPS designed for autoaim with manual aiming
>playing any FPS designed for manual aiming with autoaim

>>4315341
Agree. I always play Duke with autoaim, especially the original levels. I don't understand why EDuke fags moaned about World Tour where you oringally couldn't disable autoaim. It's the only way to play levels like Golden Gate with full of small turrets in the distance.

>>4316734
Doombaby detected.

>>4316763
stop forcing your stupid meme

>try to build the shadow warrior portion of eduke32
>it doesn't build
reeee

Why no one pointing out that Id stole railgun from Shadow Warrior down to sounds?

>new to build engine games that are not doom
>download shadow warrior
>launch graphic mode setup
>cant figure out graphic mode and scaling engine settings
>game window is 1/8th the size of my screen surrounded by black
euthanize me. but first how do i figure this out?

>>4317896

>>4317957
i also tried to build kenbuild

it just segfaults without warning and i had to use a debugger to figure that out

>>4315741
Yes.

>>4317957

I see you're a fellow /m/an of taste.

>>4312108
you can group the tiles together in TILES.CFG , that makes its a lot easier to find a specific tile

i started doing this a little bit with duke

best duke midi in order:
aliens
water world
Departure
Going after the fat commander
233.778
Lord of LA
Restricted Area
LemChill
PlasmaX
Gotham
Gut Wrencher
Pissed Office Box
RoboCreeping
Subway
Taking Names
Urban Jungle
Everything else
Stalker

>>4318567
>terrible taste in music

>>4318567
>City Streets that low
>Bullet Dam that low
>Dukelinka that low
>Desert Maze that low
>Stalker at the bottom

Stalker is like 1 million times better than Grabbag.

>>4318567

Plasma is the best duke song

>>4318835
Grabbag is the best theme song ever made. Stalker is top tier, though.

We just made a new patch that makes BMOUSE obsolete.

If you've never used BMOUSE, then you should know that there's a common bug in Build engine games that fucks up diagonal mouse movement. BMOUSE fixes it by setting up a fake external controller (which is not very convenient), but our little tool fixes the mouselook bug right in the EXE.

Compatible with Blood (blood.exe), Duke Nukem 3D (duke3d.exe), Redneck Rampage (rr.exe) and Shadow Warrior (sw.exe), no matter the version. Possibly works with other Build games too since it just scans the EXE for that buggy piece of code and rewrites it..

http://ctpax-cheater.losthost.org/htmldocs/files/buildmfx.zip

Just put the file into the game folder and type buildmfx.exe blood.exe (for example) in DOSBox to apply, and buildmfx.exe blood.exe /u, to revert the changes. Source code included.

More info & technical details (in Russian):
http://ctpax-cheater.losthost.org/htmldocs/trouble.htm#buildmfx

>>4319064
so does this actually patch the executable?

in any case thanks for actually including the source code since not enough hacks do that

>>4319097
>so does this actually patch the executable?

Yes, it does. You patch it once and forget about it.

Did Hendricks finish the Kiss of Death restoration for SW, or is it just one of the many of his vaporware projects?

>>4318828
>>4318816
>>4318835
wow really ? plasma is good and many songs require rating higher , but stalker???????????

that's like enjoying the overworld theme for zelda 2

>>4320374
Kiss of Death is missing in action, but a bunch of new user maps for Duke popped up.

>>4318567

>No love for Future Military Conquests.

That song and the one used for Dark Side define Episode 2.

Played through the Shadow Warrior betas/prototypes recently. Very interesting to see how everything changed and evolved over the time. Also quite interesting that some of the extremely old textures made it into the final game.

>>4320374
Vaporware. It's almost completely unfinished, is it not? Basically, they need to do a lot of new stuff.

i always thought that story about ken silverman not knowing what a linker is was weird

here is a showcase of mods for shadow warrior.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAdKxWFIeSg>>4321592

>>4321524
i agree that is a good track too, it's hard to list all the good songs for duke 3d honestly...

>>4320673
They've been sitting on their asses for 7 years and calling it a "research phase". Nothing productive has been done in these years. Hendrix is just hoarding stuff and not willing to share it with people because he's a fucking cancer.

Anybody wanna play coop on a BUILD engine game? Duke, Blood, SW, doesn't matter, I'm down for it. I don't know how to set it up unfortunately... but if you're down to blast through these together and don't mind walking me through the set up process I'm down. Pls let's play it will be fun.

>>4322291
what is this restoration project anyway and why is it so important?

>>4317934
In setup, VESA mode up to whatever res. If you play DOSBox

Get Shadow Warrior Classic Redux from GOG though.

>>4321592

And for those that don't wanna play through them, someone has documented them on TCRF.

https://tcrf.net/Proto:Shadow_Warrior_(1997)

>>4322995
>In this prototype, the player thrusts the sword forward instead of slashing with it. It does not harm enemies.

I guess Lo Wang forgot to fold his sword enough times.

>>4322581
You can read about it here https://forums.duke4.net/topic/9316-shadow-warrior-deadly-kiss-restoration-project/
It's not really important, but it would've been great to have another semi-official addon for SW. On the other hand, this addon was developed by the creators of Nuclear Winter and Extreme Paintbrawl, so it's probably a good thing that it was never released.

>>4322995
Hey, buddy, I think you've got the wrong door, the Wang Dojo is two blocks down.

What are your favorite Duke Nukem maps, guys?

>>4311459
Cool video showing the progression of Build's precursors
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8tDBg4pfYk

>>4323108
Fuck you.

>>4324905
one thing not shown that i always thought was quite cool was ken's CUBES5

>>4324609
Golden Carnage with Derelict and Dark Side as close second and third.

Unofficial, I think some maps of the DNF Total Conversion, but most user levels stink.

>>4325585
I was talking about usermaps, wanna see some user made content for duke

>bloodgdx isnt a faithful sourceport

here are some duke mods.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVlcF2WlxDg

>>4325683
Last Reaction and Water Bases TC was pretty good. So was Duke Hard, Metropolitan Mayhem and Duke Nukem Forever 2013 TC with its DLC. If you want space stuff, try Moonbase Accident. Daikarin and Lost Highway were OK.

These are good for starters.

I always remember PowerSlave because I know one person who was extremely disappointed in the Sega Saturn who says it was the only good game on the system.

>>4325683

Is that a question?

>>4326562
Combined with my previous post, yes
I wondered what are anon's favorite user levels for Duke.

>>4321524
>Future Military Conquests
Epic track. Gives you a sense of "We're in space. Let's do this thing."

>>4326541
puregaming

>>4326621
You got an answer. Go playing and don't come back until you finished.

>>4326621

Roch series
FakirBaba's maps
Red5
BobSP series
WGRealms
Alejandro Glavic's maps
Gambini's maps

>>4326265
here is more

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbYy4cE7eBs

*deletes the smithsonian*

>>4319064
>pascal

>>4327352
The Roch series is just an utter crap.

>>4328596
it's made by slavs and pascal seems really popular in their schools

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD5No_JRrZw

songs pretty rad

I'm setting up Duke3D, the GOG version which runs in DOSBox, to play for the first time. I generally run DOS games in 640x400 or 640x480 but I've never played a Build engine game and I'm curious what resolution I should set the game to. I don't want any weird scaling issues - is 640x400 my best bet?

Also should I stick with SC-55 soundfont?

Please respond.

>>4330018
i honestly run build games at the default resolution

>>4330018
Is there a way to turn off weapons auto-switching? Keep blowing myself with the RPG.

Or maybe the order of primary weapons should change. After shotgun and chaingun, I would go with the Freezer and Shrinker.

>>4329969
Also a great band too. I personally listen to them while playing blood.

>>4323108
>I kilt fiddy ninja!

>>4311459
>Which is your favourite midi in Duke
What's the best soundfont for Duke?

>>4330832
roland sc-55

>>4330851
Which version of the soundfont is the best

>>4330664
Blood badly needs proper lightmapping and a 3d engine like Duke World Tour. The palette is terribly underwhelming.

>>4331113
sound canvas va

>>4327824
what is this?

>>4311459
one thing I love about the Build Engine games is all the easter eggs

Why have I been under the impression that Blood can't run on modern hardware?
Or is that just related to the game not having a source port like other shooters of the era?
If I were to buy the GOG version of Blood: One Unit Whole Blood, would it work perfectly? I like playing in DOSBox anyway.

>>4333313
No. GOG will sell you a popular game on a well-supported and understood platform that has no chance of working, as this is their normal business model.

>>4333475
They don't always do a great job, or sell the less than ideal version, like Redguard. I said "perfectly" for a reason.

>>4332541
"oh shake it baby"

>>4333313
DOSBox works just fine.

I would like to make a remake of the video game Killing Time. A few years ago I got the extract of all the sprites, sounds and wanted to apply it to the build engine, get real photos to make the environment more photorealistic (items, weapons, walls). A more ambitious project was to get real makeup models but lack of time was not possible.

>>4311881
Isn't Rise' engine closer to Doom more than anything?

>>4335532
it's still a highly modified wolf3D engine

you're thinking of raven's shadowcaster

favorite midi?

233c.mid

love it just because of the part where it gets really melodic and calming. it also happened to be one of the most peculiar songs to me because it was one of the songs that really had its own style.

>>4331398
the art in world tour is absolutely fucking garbage in general

Death Wish is getting an update just in time for Halloween.

http://www.moddb.com/mods/death-wish-for-blood/news/death-wish-update-this-halloween

"Piss off".

>>4336005
Worthless opinion. Lightmapping is great and some of the new textures, particularly for the Egypt map are awesome too. They should be great assets for userlevels.

>>4337328
not necessarily worthless, as that of the art looks from world tour looks insultingly amateur in comparison to the beauties that came out of the original artists from dn3d

and guess what didn't come as a feature originally through build? lightmapping. if i have to form another opinion about these things, as such, i will say that those lightmaps are stunningly tasteless

>>4337903
The Egypt assets are as good as the originals. I also like the new art for Golden Carnage, like the sky which looked amazing. The city assets are a mixed bag though.

Not sure about other Build engine games, but why doesn't Duke offer the option of 640x400? Setup offers 320x400 and 640x480 but not 640x400. I know it can be forced in the config but it's just a curious thing.

>>4339068
Probably because VESA drivers didn't have a proper hardware fallback for 640x400, leading to the image looking squished instead of having a 4:3 ratio (unless you manually fiddle with vertical deflection).

Shadow warrior is better than Duke and much better than Blood. Just sayin'.

>>4340496
Shadow Warrior has the best palette out of all Build games. Really colorful. You don't even notice that it's an 8 bit game.

Blood's palette on the other hand is so bad I don't know how they even arrived at it. Everything is brown, grey and red with a few tins of saturated green and blue. Very washed out.

Blood is a way better game though. It's got so many excellent fan made map packs (Death Wish, Bloody Pulp Fiction, Rage Against The Machine, The Lost Episodes, French Meat, Rapture etc etc) while SW has NONE, because very few people liked it. Suck on that.

>>4340530
DELETE THIS

>>4339068
640x400 was never a proper resolution, as the aspect ratio is fucked

>>4340530
nah, go fuck yourself. SW was amazing

SW = D3D > Redneck Rampage

>>4340612
But the normal resolution is 320x200 and it's the same aspect ratio. I play most DOS games in 640x400 on my CRT and it's perfect. Aspect ratio is corrected on the monitor.

>>4340663
you sure its not 320x240?

>>4340730
320x200 is a non square pixel VGA mode that is supposed to be stretched to 4:3. A LOT of games back in the day used it as the default resolution, including Doom, Quake etc. Their HUDs were squished and supposed to be stretched vertically when playing in higher resolutions.

>>4340642
Plebeian opinion.

How is this version of Duke?

>>4340530
Noob question, how do palettes in these old game engines work, like you only have 8 bits to store each pixel colour so you only get 256 colours to choose from? And different games have different selections of colours?

>>4340836
I'm far from an expert, but here's how it works in Quake.

8-bit means you can only use one byte to store the color value, so it can only go from 0 to 255. So you have a separate palette file which is a look up table containing RGB values for 256 colors, e.g. color 0 could be written as 255, 0, 0 which would be the color red. The textures/sprites are usually just uncompressed images, and apart from the header that would store image width and height it would just be a string of 8-bit values denoting what color (as in palette slot number) each pixel is. Say, 00 02 0F would mean 3 pixels with palette slots 0, 2 and 15. This way of drawing graphics is very easy on the hardware and that's why they did this, because the mainstream hardware back in the day couldn't really do better.

And yes, you could choose any color for your palette, but all the assets had to use the same palette, so you had to choose wisely. Sometimes there were also additional palettes, e.g. for underwater colors or something. They would just override each other.

>>4311983
>>4312036
I always played the game with the midi music. What's the differencen with the CD audio? Shouldn't it be the same, only with higher quality? Why change it?

>>4340530
Blood is really supposed to look like that. It's perfect for the aesthetic of the game.

>>4340757
I didn't even realize that existed.

>Mfw I just attached a sticky bomb to a hornet in Shadow Warrior

>>4343131
Dying time's here.

>>4343131
such an awesome weapon

>>4332541
Ditto. The ribbing between devs was a blast too.
>That's one DOOMED space marine!
>She's raided HER last tomb!

>>4340745
not only that, but as a significant many have said around here, the artists of blood purposefully made sprites have a thicker pixel ratio than your default typical 1:1 pixel ratio. this is done so that those resolutions (320x200, 640x400, 1280x800, etc) would appear properly adjusted for them

>>4335995
ahgeez.mid

I tend to like the high energy ones, even though most of the tracks are pretty mellow.

>>4344809
to be perfectly honest, i am not a huge fan of the mellow or calm stuff, though i can understand how it fits others' taste for ambient/atmospheric tracks in bgm

the majority of the time, i also find myself never really being able to remember those tracks, because they simply just aren't that memorable in the first place

i have a colleague who is really into the orchestral sounds used in a good abundance of duke 3d's soundtrack, and i personally just find it not as appealing as he does. the problem REALLY lies when you are a composer yourself as well, and you are working on the soundtrack of a project for him and he wants you to meet unfairly high standards, and desires to be a "filter" (see: "the george filter"). that in which results in them portraying themselves as an "excellent music critic", but ends up rejecting every composition you make.

wanna hear something hilarious? this individual criticizes me relentlessly for not making anything worthy enough of being in his game, but ends up sending me a short and simple nes song and ends up highly praising it and complimenting it! xd

>>4344841
Well, in his defense, many NES tunes have excellent underlying melody, even if you aren't wild about the system's instrumentation.

Just played through DN3D for the first time, holy shit what a masterpiece. Really hope the other Build engine games are as good.

>>4344852
no don't get me wrong; i LOVE a lot of nes music, it's just that the song in particular he presented to me wasn't well-composed and that it was very short in length.

>>4344861
Ah, gotcha. There's really no accounting for taste sometimes.

>>4344863
yeah, just yesterday, him and i had a similar discussion talking about music tastes and how someone's taste in music is just NOT able to be described

some have said it equates to describing a color to a blind person

>>4332786
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>>4332830
i just have to express that these are some beautiful gameplay videos of blood, i'd love to see more stuff like this done on shadow warrior, too

>>4344856
>Really hope the other Build engine games are as good.

>>4344898
let us all hope we can count on ion maiden being a splendid build engine game....

>>4344915

>Bombshell sucked so hard they completely removed her name from the title.

>>4344927

>>4344898
I don't get it

>>4344952
They aren't. Blood and Shadow Warrior aside, most build engine games are pretty terrible. Let alone on par with Duke 3D.

>>4345012

>Anon tries William Shatner's Tekwar as his next BUILD game

>>4345012
I was talking about Blood and Shadow Warrior actually

>>4344915
I need Ion Maiden to be the best shit ever. Someone needs to re-prove the quality in classic shooter design.

>>4345035
No worries about Blood.

And Shadow Warrior is ALMOST as good, but thematically it's just not as fun, personally. And the weapons are kind of hit and miss. But the level design and gimmicks are mostly a good time.

>>4345024
>extreme paintbrawl
>witchaven
>nam

>>4345037
most definitely agreed! retro, 2.5d, classic, you-name-it shooters, all need to stay alive.

>>4345037
It will be a crappy fangame, like everything the Duke community makes. I played some maps by Davox, and his maps are typical userlevel quality clusterfucks, just noisier to make it worse.

>>4344856
>the other Build engine games

The only worthwhile ones are Duke 3D, Blood, Shadow Warrior, Powerslave and Redneck Rampage. Maybe Witchhaven as well if you can stand the terribly digitized sprites. Maybe NAM if you want to play a stupid difficult game in a Vietnam war setting.

NOTE: Powerslave needs a patch for much better controls and high resolution support. Get it here:
http://ctpax-cheater.losthost.org/htmldocs/pefs/expsdehk.zip

>>4345780
Also this.

http://www.r-t-c-m.com/knowledge-base/build-games/

You can look up all Build games on this website and see screenshots and the details on the gameplay and technology used, download patches etc.

>>4345770
Well I hope they receive some direction from someone higher up. They could easily pull together if it's being directed like a real game and not just a fangame "do whatever the fuck you want on your own time" kind of deal.

>>4345770
>It will be a crappy fangame, like everything the Duke community makes.

Those some fight words anon, back to your containment thread if you please.

>>4346070
Tell me one quality product then.

>>4346902
Not the same guy, but could you elaborate on why all duke nukem user maps are shit?

>>4347124
They are usually bad remakes of Hollywood Holocaust, Dark Side or some other original level, or something that look terrible with confusing layouts.

>>4347341
Can you give me an example of a good DN user level? I'm sure you have one or two you like.

>>4345770
as far as i am concerned, i'm gonna have to give them the benefit of the doubt on ion maiden

>>4347521
DNF 2013 is considered the best user map pack. Don't know if there's anything else as polished.

>>4347521
Sewer was a good map. It was made by Levelord.

sepuku girl was my favorite of course

>>4348018
>Sewer
Doesn't count since it's cut content from the original game. Isn't there anything else you like?

>>4345012
Blood, Shadow Warrior, the Redneck Rampage games, and PowerSlave are all worth playing. Along with Duke that's probably over half of the Build Engine games. The rest are mediocre at best.

>>4345047
Blood has very simple leveldesigns (dat Woodcutter level or whatever, what a disgrace), for the most part. A very far cry from either Allen Blum's masterpieces, almost all of SW maps (barring, perhaps, Sumo Sky Temple and that "Derelict's retarded younger cousin") the better ones of RR1 levels (the first RR1 mansion easily trumps any Blood mansion in both layout AND environmental design) or nearly any PowerSlave map.

>>4349270
I'd say even Redneck Rampage is an extremely noticeable drop in quality, frankly. The game is funny, but it does a lot of things poorly. Character animations are janky as fuck (and single frames are often very ugly). Level design is solid at first glance from the angle that it tries to recreate something that could be real place, ala Duke, but then you notice things like placement of keys and such is pants on head retarded. You literally cannot beat the first level if you don't discover a secret area that holds a critical key. Then there's that gimmicky health system that REALLY slows gameplay down. Don't want a crippling view angle? WELP, you better wait 5 fucking minutes for your fucking blood alcohol level to go down or you can't use that health item.

>>4349351
>Don't want a crippling view angle? WELP, you better wait 5 fucking minutes for your fucking blood alcohol level to go down or you can't use that health item.
So you use food as your main healing source, and you use poison only as much as your food allows you. Big deal. You just do it backwards. First snacks, then drinks.

>>4349205
OK, Duke Forever TC was pretty good if you forgive some of those sloppy codes and design elements to make it close to the original game. And it had weak audio for the NPCs.

>>4349345
>barring, perhaps, Sumo Sky Temple and that "Derelict's retarded younger cousin")

Those were pretty formidable levels. I don't know what's your beef with Floating Fortress. It had good leveldesign.

Blood was good for its first four levels " the Shining and Haunting levels, maybe the Siege, but the rest was pretty bad.

I'm going to do it, I'm going to play and beat Tekwar soonish.

Any tips? Is there anything besides killing civilians that makes Shatner disappointed in me?

>>4349603
Wasn't DNF 2013 just a big hallway walk? My memory of this is a bit shoddy, but I do remember it being linear and a couple of mediocre monsters. I mean it looks really good, but the layouts were kinda meh. Makes me wonder why do you like it more than any other DN3D user content.

>>4349373
The prevalence of alcohol items makes it still an issue. Getting "drunk" is a funny idea but the execution is terrible.

>>4350024
There's lengthy motorcycle segments that make it pretty linear. But on foot there's still keycards to track down.

Is it as open as levels like Hollywood Holocaust? Nah, but it's still not quite as linear as the real Forever was.

>>4350024
Then what are your recommendations?

>>4349864
Don't do it, anon. Please read this review and rethink your life choices.

http://hg101.kontek.net/tekwar/tekwar.htm

The Tekwar source code has been released and the BloodGDX guy even used it to make a basic source port for practice reasons.

>>4350294
It's not THAT prevalent. There is plenty of chow. Besides, with alcohol you only need to stay out of the red zone. So you could, just, like, drink all you want (that would make the alcometer to get capped), then take a couple of bites just to get it out of red zone, then just go on your merry way.

Redneck Rampage has a terrible design. That mansion level with empty rooms looks bad even for a user level.

>>4351716
That's the SECOND mansion level. It actually kind of ties with its theme, since this is where the game SUDDENLY decides to go lovecraftian (because rednecks, get it, get it?). Besides, no way it's worse than an assortment of cubes some of Blood levels are (like that lab with aquariums, or those sewers, or that secret iceberg level).

>>4351256
I don't know why you're pursuing this one point so hard. Even if I cave in and say it's not a big deal I've listed plenty of other good reasons why RR is lacking as a game.

>>4332541
I miss those days man.

EAT IT!

>>4355473

*shoots spider with M60*

WHO'S NEXT?

>>4351106

Fuck you anon, I do what I want.

>>4357732
Don't do it, you can still turn back.

>>4357732
What's this game? It looks pretty good.

>>4358036
Mark Hamill's TrekWar

>>4329969
>>4330664

/vr/ has good taste?

Been listening to October Rust all month.

>Tekwar
>Devs wanted to add an underwater section but didn't have actual swimming like with most build games.
>So instead they made a regular area, but with underwater-themed textures and props.
>To simulate drowning, they made it so that the floor will hurt you.
>You can reduce the rate of damage by hopping around like an idiot. Underwater.

Tekwar everyone.

>>4358716
>this post
>that game

I just beat Tekwar. Ask me anything!

Pic related, the final boss killed by me.

>>4359624
How difficult it was?

>>4359632

Tekwar is more frustrating than actually difficult.

The combat itself is technically kinda hard. Enemies are hitscan and there's no way to throw off their aim like in Douk, making combat a pure DPS race. The energy gun in the first slot will often stun them, cutting down their DPS while doing a good amount of damage on them. You could probably beat most of the game with it, only needing the regular pistol for the hologram enemies, while are immune to the basic energy gun. Most enemies are easy, but the respirator guys will slice through your health quickly, so it's best to avoid them, especially if they're in groups.

The level design varies from okay to "fuck you". The maps are filled with hidden areas and doors that don't look like doors at all. You need to have the automap open all the time if you want to have a chance at finding some of these obscure areas. The automap is automatically filled in as soon as you start a level, making it much easier to find out where you could go. Even then, you can get fucked over by the hub system, as most of the Teklords you have to kill are often on a different map than the one that has the keys. The third one really screwed me over big time by doing this, as I had no idea I had to change maps to find his hideout. I roamed around the beach area for a long time trying to find the boss, but it was actually in the next map.

The most annoying part is the cybermaze the game forces you to go through at the end. It consists of seven stages, all of which are confusing and slow to actually go through. See, the game lets you move up and down, but it takes fucking forever for your guy to actually do this. The levels themselves are filled with frustrating bullshit, like being actual mazes, switch hunting, and a case where a vital switch refused to work, forcing me to restart. The automap is even more required than it was in the regular levels.

Pic related. I have to have the automap on almost all the time.

>>4359660
How are the guns? Is it the usual pistol, shotgun, machine gun, rocket launcher, etc types?

>>4359670

Tekwar's weapons are actually pretty unorthodox. No shotgun and no machine gun here.

* An energy gun with unlimited ammo. Each shot seems to have a high chance of stunning a foe. It seems to do more damage than the generic pistol too. You start out with this one.
* A generic, bullet-firing pistol. Only useful for the hologram enemies. You start out with this one.
* Pistol that shoots three explosive projectiles with one shot. This is a nice little handy "fuck off" gun, but ammo is a bitch to find. You start out with this one.
* Another energy gun, but this one gibs enemies with one shot. Very handy.
* A flamethrower. Never used it because I don't like to get close to enemies.
* Bazooka. Shoots 3-5ish rockets per shot. Actually pretty fun, but no real need to use it since most enemies are weak. Good for the rare turret, but it's often easier to run by the turrets than destroy them. I liked to annihilate the bosses with it.

The way the game is set up so that the other energy pistol, the flamethrower, and the bazooka are automatically stripped from you once you leave an area, and since you have to find them, so you don't get a lot of opportunities to actually use them. I don't know why this is done.

There are also two grenade types you can throw with the enter key, but it's really difficult to pick them up for some reason and I never found a reason to use them.

A better developer could expand on these and make them really cool IMO.

Did any of the official Build engine game leveldesigners built maps for other Build engine games? Like official Powerslave mappers did mapping to Duke or something like that?

It would be strange if not, since these games are pretty close together technicall, I would be surprised if those devs didn't try the other games, particularly Duke.

Any tips for GOG Blood configuration? I'm not sure how to setup it to have sensible mouse and keyboard controls. If it is not laggy, it is too sensitive. Is there a way to make it better?

>>4360125

Some of the Duke guys worked on SW and I'm sure Witchhaven, Tekwar, and Witchhaven 2 share some devs because they were made by the same company.

>>4360209
Try this thing.
>>4319064

So has there been any news on Ion Maiden? Isn't it supposed to come out this year?

>>4360990
Thanks! I've used bmouse and replaced default GOG dosbox. Game is really playable now and still looks great!

>>4360209
https://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Blood

>>4361781
It won't. But there probably will be a demo this year.

>>4361781
Hendricks leads the project. We will be lucky if we get some deeper info about the game, but don't expect release before 2020.

The pics of Ion Maiden look something fanmade bullshit to me. Terrible palette, lifeless leveldesign, not something to look after.

>>4365508
>lifeless leveldesign
That's not something you can say from a still image of a fucking hallway.

>>4365508
I feel the opposite, and I'm pretty patrician as far as level design goes.

people will literally make up reasons to shit on modern mods as compared to the "classic" mods

>>4365508
If a bad palette is the worst offense the game commits, I think it'll be OK.

So which one is the best?

>>4366571
Can't tell a difference between MIDI Mapper and Wavetable. They sound better to me than Gervill. Real Time Sequencer doesn't make any music on my end.

>>4366571
>>4366919
There is no "best" you uncultured swine. If you are questioning stuff like this then you'd better leave it at the default setting.

I'm upset about any Build source port STILL not having built-in FM support.

>>4327540
>>4326265
>mfw when both of my mods make it to that vinesauce video and he plays both with fucked up renderer settings

>>4365712
Leveldesign looks fanmade as well.

>>4367387
Good, cause most of the "official" maps from World Tour were atrocious. How does fanmade mean bad?

>>4367419
Oh fuck off. Ep. 5 was great and worthy of being put next to the originals. Final boss sucked dick, though.

Can monsters in Blood infight? I saw a zombie and cultist squaredancing with each other and got really confused.

>>4368107
Yes.

How do I beat these fuckers once they grab a hold of me?

>>4369086
Mash the "use" button to throw them off of you.

>>4369137
Thanks my ninja

Is there a way to limit BloodGDX's frames without using vsync? Vsync seems to be making the game a little choppy on my end,

>>4369205
Yuka is a slut

>>4369434
settings tab

>>4369474
The fuck how did I not see that, I'm embarrassed right now, sorry for making you spoonfeed me like this, but thank you very much Anon

>>4369489
its okay bb

Is Bloodgdx a stable sourceport?

>>4371830

Perfectly fine for a casual playthrough, people who've played Blood for 20 years are struggling to find discrepancies between it and the original, which is a lot more than I could say for BloodCM and its shitty AI

>>4371830
The original episodes and most of the user mods can be played just fine. Game mechanics and enemies' AI are soon to be completely accurate to the original game too.
On the other hand, there are numerous problems with the sound and opengl renderer, which can break some maps, like the boss level from the Death Wish. Also, polymost looks like shit and ruin some maps' atmposphere.

>>4371865
BloodCM can run in the much superior classic renderer which preserves the 1:1 look, all the way down to the paletted lighting shades, supports CD soundtrack and has no ROR/flickering glitches anywhere at all.

But the weapons and enemy AI are always somewhat off (I've noticed that gargoyles in particular attack much faster), and it doesn't even have the little Caleb enemy (hands will spawn instead). It can also only play the original 5 episodes, no Cryptic Passage or Death Wish.

>>4371886
The Death Wish palette bugs in BloodGDX have been fixed, expect an update in a few days.

"Aliens, Say Your Prayers" is the best Duke Nukem 3D track, also the most underrated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3SBTQQ0GJ0

I fucking love Douk 3D. It's one of those games I replay at least once a year just like Postal 2, Deus Ex, and X-COM. Never gets old. I also love talking random sentences with my bad Douk impression, though my brothers say I'm actually pretty good at doing Duke impression. Duke voice is actually pretty easy to do once you get the "feel" of it, and then you can do other similar voices like Postal Dude and JC Denton. You have to talk like out of breath Dirty Harry.

>>4371909
>one of those games I replay at least once a year just like Postal 2
>I also love talking random sentences with my bad Douk impression

Congratulations, you have autism.

>>4371909
>Aliens, Say Your Prayers
It always reminds me of the Terminator theme.

>>4371936
That's probably what it was inspired by.

>>4371887
because it's a duke TC, not a fucking port

>>4371909
yeah thats my favourite track from the game, too. suits the E2 level it comes on perfectly, too. just seems so well paced to it, especially after the previous levels had slower tracks that made the levels seem more brooding.

>>4371909
>one of the most highly regarded Douk songs
>underrated

Blood's Episode 3 Farewell to Arms so far was pretty underwhelming compared to the other episodes.

Also I'm loving how this game uses the lack of vsync to animate screen shake, it's fucking beautiful

>>4372163
Yeah... Best episodes of the main game are 1 2 and 5 (postmortem expansion, some ppl call it e6 since it came after cryptic passage). 3 and 4 arent as good imo, but still decent.

>>4372163
whats that hud?

>>4372309
Just vanilla HUD, you adjust the size in the options and has multiple HUDs, that's one fo them

>>4372276
I liked Cryptic Passage more than Post Mortem. Post Mortem was quickly thrown together from whatever leftovers they had, and it shows. What's up with all the palette swapped enemies, are the cultists now MK ninjas?

Cryptic Passage is on the level of Duke it out in DC, made by the same people. Some levels are pretty amazing, like that secret level, Boggy Creek, where you ride a boat in an overgrown swamp and go through various cabins and a burned house with ghosts. The others have awesome architecture, like the Old Opera House. Or what about the Steamboat level? The thing's become a major Blood reference nowadays. Post Mortem just... dragged on, wish such horrid levels as Public Storage and Aqueducts. The opening level, Welcome to Your Life, and the next one, They Are Here, are the only good ones, IMO.

>>4372309
BloodGDX
>>4372163
Ep3 falls short because of boring industrial levels in the middle, other levels are pretty good

Confession: I tried to replay Blood and I didn't really like it. I got up to E1L4 before quitting.

The map design was great, but the actual gameplay was dull.

>>4372338
damn gdx got a nice hud, has he worked out all the bugs yet? and are voxels added? I'd love to try gdx but im not doing it until its done

>>4372347
Blood's gameplay is very punishing if you haven't played the game in a while. Nothing like the modern shooters at all, and even nothing like Quake or Doom. But it's very fun once you train your muscle memory to use the TNT properly all the time. Shit just explodes with gibs flying everywhere.

Burn them all.

But yeah, to be perfectly honest, all the hitscan is bullshit.

>>4372364 -> >>4371886

>>4372425
what about voxels I dont care if its playable i want accuracy

>>4372417

To me, Shadow Warrior has the same "blow up everyone" style that Blood has, but it's much faster than Blood's "slowly chuck TNT at everyone and make sure it'll fly far enough to hit enemies" style.

>>4372454
> I dont care if its playable i want accuracy
What&?
>what about voxels
They are supported.

what do you guys think of this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxIMFU5otY8

>>4372584
> mod for GzDoom
Another one? Why would anyone want that?

>>4372589
Yeah, ZBlood was pretty horrible. It's literally just Doom with downscaled and badly edited Blood sprites and some sounds from Quake, wtf.

Also, I don't think GZDoom can do everything that Build/Eduke32 can. Just mod BloodCM or something, I dunno.

>>4372495
playable can still have bad AI, the darkXL port by that one goof is technically playable but its so far off from the original its not even worth it and is missing stuff like AI for certain enemies I cringe when people recommend it

>>4372276
Only the first four levels and the two horror levels of episode 2 are relevant in this game (+The Siege). The rest of the levels are just dull BS, not a match to Duke levels.

>>4372093
Where is it highly regarded? Not in the forums, not in the public. Everybody knows the grabbag Duke theme and then maybe the hollywood holocaust theme, but that's it.

>>4372841
yes this is at least the third time we've heard you attempt to meme your plebhouse opinion like it's worth half a fuck

This wall mine thing is the most useless weapon ever. Maybe it works better in the multiplayer.

>>4374231
It was good when you first played Death Row and saw the tripwire that can explode. Then it got old, and other than a few places in the game, it looks dull and annoying. Fake gameplay device.

>>4374231
>>4374293
But he is right. It worked in multiplayer. It's real purpose was indeed for this.
Friends i played with mostly got fragged because of those. I placed them mostly there where they though they can hide and almost always fell for it. Especially in tight places like the air tunnel things.

>tfw there will never be another good dook game with licensed metallica music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EztbyhAJNtk

>>4375189
lol i mixed up megadeth and metallica, but duke 2 ripped off both

>>4374231
It's more a novel concept than it is an actual useful tool.

Can't decide if this is silly or cool.

Nice way around the engine limitations though.

>>4378268
kek

Yeah, the game is essentially teleporting you to different rooms all the time. The engine is completely 2D just like Doom. The Death Wish addon for Blood uses this trick for some really spooky effects, btw.

>>4378280
What I don't get is how the items and gibs are there on the floor as well

This Death Wish hype gets old pretty fast.

>>4378391
aw i'm sorry :(

>>4378391
In what sense?

>>4379767

Only the very gayest.

Announcement:

>We're looking for play-testers for the next 3D Realms title. An unannounced game using the classic "Build Engine", used to develop legendary MS-DOS games such as Duke Nukem 3D, Blood, Shadow Warrior etc. A brand new game built by an amazing crew.
>Source: 3D Realms facebook

What is this?

>>4380052
Ion Maiden probably. No way they would try to do another Build game without seeing how this one works out.

I hope Levelord and Blum will be involved.

>>4380052
hmm hope it is something cool. if it's Ion Maiden, I would be fine with it.

>>4381075
I hope that dude that made the best SW levels will also be involved.

>>4381243
Which ones?

Why is cryptic passage presented as the 6th episode and post mortem as 5th?

Shouldn't it be the other way around?

>>4384573
Cryptic Passage is a stand-alone map pack actually. You're playing BloodGDX, so it puts it together with the rest of the episodes, so that you don't have to fuck around.

Originally, you were supposed to run cryptic.exe and there would be only Cryptic Passage available, no other episodes. You can replicate the same behavior in GDX by choosing "user episodes" - > cryptic.ini.

And why the hell should CP come before PM anyway? It's a third party expansion pack.

>>4384605
>And why the hell should CP come before PM anyway?
Oh alright then
Thanks for the explanation. It's just when I googled it, everyone was referring to it as the 5th, wikipedia included. But I didn't know it was third party

>>4384573
Because it is the 6th episode.

>new bloodgdx update precisely when I finished playing all blood episodes

Is Death Wish that good? I heard it's a little on the hard side, and I was already quicksaving more than I should have with the regular episodes

>>4387285
Death Wish is easily better than all the other episodes combined. And I'm not even meme'ing.

And it's not hardcore at all, in fact the difficulty has been tweaked to be more on the easier side (as long as you're playing on the easier difficulties) in the latest version.

>>4387298
Who is designer of Death Wish?

>>4387298
As I rule of thumb I tend to play on the normal difficulty the first time at least.

>>4387298

>Death Wish is easily better than all the other episodes combined. And I'm not even meme'ing.

I wouldn't go that far, but it is on par with the original four plus Postmortem (beats out Cryptic Passage in my opinion).

>>4386921

No, he's right- Cryptic Passage was developed before Postmortem and is obviously an interquel between the original four and Postmortem chronologically as well.

>>4387353
>I wouldn't go that far
The good:bad maps ratio is much higher for DW. I don't remember any bad map actually, compared to the original episodes that fall flat halfway through.

>is obviously an interquel between the original four and Postmortem chronologically as well.
Do they even have any meaningful plot and a timeline? Anyway, post mortem was always the 5th episide in the main menu and cryptic had its own exe, so making it 6th episode makes more sense.

>>4387437

>Do they even have any meaningful plot and a timeline?

Yes, you need to learn how to read.

>I don't remember any bad map actually, compared to the original episodes that fall flat halfway through.

No clue what you're talking about here, Farewell to Arms and Dead Reckoning have extremely memorable maps, though Farewell to Arms edges the latter out a bit in that regard.

>>4387443
>Yes, you need to learn how to read.
PM
>There is no official storyline for Plasma Pak, however it can be assumed, based on various clues, that after Caleb defeats Tchernobog he learns that the Cabal is training new batch of Chosen, and he sets out to stop the cult's plans.
CP
>Caleb travels to the Carpathian mountains after he hears of an ancient scroll taken from him. This scroll is said to be capable of upsetting the balance in the otherworld, but Caleb finds himself detoured by the forces of Tchernobog and the Cabal.
I see absolutely zero indication on when these episodes happen and which comes first.

>>4387461

>No Zealots, no Acolytes, no Chosen, no Tchernobog, no Pods, reference to "continuing your dark journey" in the epilogue cinematic.

Gee, I wonder if it takes place before or after Postmortem?

>>4311459
>Which is the scariest enemy of Blood?
this fucker right here

>>4388310

Without a doubt.

>>4388310
>can't even hurt it unless you let it take a swing at you

>>4388310
Scary in the way that will put you on edge looking for it.

It screws me every time it appears

>>4378280
>Yeah, the game is essentially teleporting you to different rooms all the time. The engine is completely 2D just like Doom.

What does this have to do with 2D? Please refrain from parroting misinfo just because it's a really popular kind of misinfo.

>>4388710
Literally everything. The engine can't do room-over-room thus has to do silly buggers like that.

>>4388723
Not this again. The engine CAN process a room being on top of another room, it can't just show it, and even though the portal tricks refer to another space on the mal entirely, it STILL has nothing to do with it being 2D (protip: it's not).

>>4388710
>>4388735

OK, John Carmack; how would *you* do a rundown of the BUILD engine? Surely a big, bad, scary intellect like yourself should have no trouble giving us all the highlights and even a little Q+A session off to one side.

>>4388710
It's a ray-casting engine. Imagine the level as a blueprint sorts of map, kinda like the automap you see when you press Tab. So how does it appear 3D? That's because of the height maps. Each wall, structure etc is assigned height, basically how tall it would appear in the player's viewpoint. And that's pretty much it. The engine is all on one single plane, with only x and y axis. To fake the so called "room over room" mechanic it secretly teleports you somewhere else. It's quite obvious if you have your automap open.

Here's a bit more info on the topic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_casting

>>4388701

>is constantly up in your face
>*screaming* at you
>does a shitload of damage if that scythe connects
>long-distance attack too
>can MOTHERFUCKING FLY

>>4388758
Some more reading:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Build_(game_engine)
>The Build engine is generally considered to be a 2.5D engine since the basic world geometry is two-dimensional with an added height component, allowing each sector to have a different ceiling height and floor height. Floors and ceilings can hinge along one of the sector's walls, resulting in a slope. With this information, the Build engine renders the world in a way that looks three-dimensional, unlike modern game engines that create actual 3D environments.

>>4388758
>It's a ray-casting engine
HAHAHAHAHAHA

>Here's a bit more info on the topic:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_casting

HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>4388763
Wikipedia is crap, who woulda thunk? Sectors can be on top of each other with very specific Z coordinates (there are basically two "height" values, one for floor and one for ceiling). And the game is rendered with orthogonal 3D texture transforms. So unless you go turbo sperg and say "true 3D is only when the world is composed of independent vertices connected up to 3 times per polygon and are being rendered with perspective correct mapping dividing by the z coords" that shit ain't 2D.

>>4387285
It would be a mistake to not play it; especially after finishing all the retail episodes.

>>4388310
What about the Gil Beast underwater?

>>4388310
These dudes are quite easy once you've got the rhythm down. The real annoying enemies are those dogs that shoot fire which deal like a million damage if they hit you directly for more than 1 second. Either that, or the boss gargoyles. Those don't show up as often though. Even the regular/black cultists can be super annoying because of how quickly they can harm you.

>>4389191

The Hellhounds were as terrifying as the ghosts to me; they're obviously modeled after Zuul from the first Ghostbusters movie, which scared the high holy hell outta me as a little kid. That entire movie left me a petrified wreck for weeks.

So what are tomes for?

>>4389650
Just a way to tell you a story without any kind of a journal system. Every time you pick up a tome it prints a message. That's it.

Voice acting would've worked better, but eh.

>>4389656
Thanks Anon
By any chance do you know what Feather Fall is for?

>>4371909
I'm with you. It's one of the strongest melodies and pretty intense with that percussion.

>>4374231
Holoduke is the same way. It seems like it was intended for Dukematch. Just like Shadow Warriors caltrops and flash bombs.

Stalker and Bulletdam are so awesome.

>>4390974
It nullifies fall damage for a short amount of time. Unfortunately, there's no visual indicator to display whether or not the effect is still active.

The one you found allows you to skip the tomes and elevator by jumping down to the bottom of the large chasm.

>>4392117
Thanks mah ninja

>>4392748
>wheeled chair rolls
That's a nice touch.

>>4392748
How many levels?

>>4392825
>We're starting with one episode, and if people buy it we'll make more. The episode has 7 "levels" planned, but each one is split into several map files that you can traverse back and forth between, like Half-Life or Hexen.

>>4392989
>hub levels in the build engine
was this ever done before?

>>4393431

Tekwar.

Is erampage a passable way to play Redneck, or should I opt for DOSbox + bmouse?

>>4392748
>that mixture of Doom/Hexen gibs + SW/Blood gibs

>>4392989
Thank you. And do we know something about the credits? Level designers, musicians, graphic artists, coders etc?

>>4393525
No, it's garbage and not even close to being playable. Use Dosbox and wait for RedneckGDX.

>>4393525
eRampage is more of a Duke TC than a source port. A lot like BloodCM. Play it if you're fine with this.

As for DOSBox, use Build Mouse Fix in place of bMouse. It patches the exe so you don't have to fuck with the settings and launch the game through bMouse every time.

http://ctpax-cheater.losthost.org/htmldocs/files/buildmfx.zip

Usage: buildmfx.exe rr.exe

>>4316395
All of the build engine games and Doom were built with autoaim in mind. Neither the stages nor the weapons designed for full mouselook.

>>4316395
build engine games have such awful hitboxes that you actually NEED autoaim

>>4393431
World Tour episode also used pseudo hub-levels as far as I know.

High Times changed style at both keycards (first is an open, picturesque view of Amsterdam, second is some indoor stuff inside the coffee shop, third is the looney bin area)

Red Ruckus (first is some random city, second is the bunker area, third is the boss area at the launch center)

Bloody Hell is blatantly obvious (first is that theater, second is the castle outside, third is the House of Commons and the castle inside...)

Mirage Barrage is also obvious (first is the outside maze of the pyramid, second is inside the pyramid, third is the space)

Tour de Nukem (first is the random city again, second is the underground parts, third is the boss area)

Golden Carnage (first is the bridge and surroundings, second is the Fort Point with the boxes and such, third is the boss area inside the fort)

The first 4 episode also used some of these hub level ideas (particularly the LA Meltdown episode or Derelict), but less blatantly.

>>4393665
That's not what a hub system encompasses.

>>4393431
Eduke32 has support for hub maps, and some TCs like AMC or WGR2 (iirc) use hub maps. So it has been done in Build, but just not in a retail game yet.

>>4393670
Uh okay, got it wrong.

>>4311881
Not even a source port can fix the bland, flat, samey levels.

>>4392748
i feel like the gibbing animation could be a little better, and so could the timing of the gib explosion. it would be at least twice as more satisfying if the gibbing animation occurred with a delay after the explosion

also not so sure how i feel about the throwing animation for the bomb, considering it looks like it flies 25mph with an awkward trajectory.. so i'm on the fence about that

the firing animation is pretty intriguing since you can see the bullet projectile when they shoot

>>4393618
i'm very interested in that, too

Davox will be the leveldesigner, this is the only information we have at this moment. His most notable map for Duke was the motorcycle ride in DNF2013 DLC. His Stadium map was pretty bad though.

Is there a way to make Blood GDX use the original limited color palette?

>>4393618
I've never heard about any "celebrities" so I guess there are only community mappers and artists involved.

>>4393970
No.

>>4392989
>testing the waters
I'm worried about this approach. Just how well does this thing have to sell before we get promised more? And if they wait to make future episodes, doesn't that significantly diminish interest? Episodes are way more likely to burn out than one good heave out the door. They are shooting this in the foot.

>>4392748
Are they really fucking using Doom-like gibbing animations? They make it all feel so lame and outdated when compared to the average Build game. Why the fuck wouldn't you just spam ludicrous amounts of gibs and keep them permanently on the ground until disposed of? Don't fuck this up Hendricks, I'm already disappointed.

>>4395096
It looks like a combo of the two. There is a hard limit to the amount of sprites you can have in Build so it makes sense to take that approach.
>>4394956
I'm not, the shareware episodes of the Build games were always the best ones out of their respective games so hopefully this approach will mean each episode will be the same quality (not to say the full games of them are BAD, it's just the shareware maps clearly had more stuff going on)

>>4395245
>There is a hard limit to the amount of sprites you can have in Build

There really isn't, those hard limits were arbitrary arrays in place to grant support for ancient hardware. You can just as arbitrarily increase the limit, like eDuke32 did these last few years. Those static gibs are some ugly ass solution.

Update

Found a stuck spot in one of the Death Wish maps

The upscale pack is surprisingly good.

https://forums.duke4.net/topic/9420-high-resoultion-pack-discussion-and-contributions/page__view__findpost__p__290270

Includes HD menu font even. Set your texture filtering to trilinear for the full effect.

>>4395434
Post in DW thread, else Bloatoid might not see it.
>>4384328

>>4395461
I don't have an account there
If you have one, feel free

>>4395245
Duke's episode 1 is like night and day to the rest of the game. Much more content, story, quality.

>>4395456

The Ackolytes look like they were raped with an embossing filter

>>4395257
Yes there is a hard limit on sprite support, don't act like you know what you're talking about. Eduke32 boosted the sprite limit to it's maximum, 16384 but further increases aren't possible without colossal rewrites of the engine.

Is there really a new source port for Blood? /v/'s been saying so.

>>4395573
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=blood+source+port

>>4395573
BloodGDX, which is a reverse-engineering effort made possible thanks to the leaked alpha source code (which apparently helped the developer more thoroughly reverse-engineer the final game)

It's a mostly-faithful source port of Blood in that it can run the original game, expansions, and mods from their original files, and it can play back vanilla demos without desyncing. There are some minor bugs and you can't use the original renderer, but having smooth mouse input, 1080p, and 60FPS is worth it IMO

>>4395245
>the shareware episodes of the Build games were always the best ones
That's actually accurate. Duke and Shadow Warrior are prime examples of this.

I'm not convinced doing one ep at a time ensures this level of quality, but I guess I can be a little more optimistic.

I hope Ion Maiden will have an actual storyline. Duke after episode 1 is just a map collection.

>>4392748
I've got to be honest, the throwing animation and the death animations look subpar at the moment.

>>4395756
So? That's more or less the same thing with most retro FPS. Story (premise) should just be a guideline/backdrop in these types of game.

>>4392748
Is it me or do I sense huge LameDuke vibes from this gif?

The Duke community should be aware that their typical fan stuff won't be enough this time. This will be a commercial game, and will be treated that way. Not even a total conversion like Caribbean, but a complete new game built from scratch. Even the quality of Duke Forever 2013 won't be enough. It was good, but had some flaws, however it was free and took a piss on the abomination called DNF, so it was popular.

Many shitty maps and mods (like the awful Roch maps) got overhyped in the community just because authors threw lots of irrelevant stuff and confusing puzzles in them and called them "details".

A commercial product however has to be accessible for Average Joes as well. Giga details and enemy hordes won't make the maps. Usermap style generic keycard and button hunting is a big no as well. The maps should have a flow, layouts should be clear, and have to be varied for the player to not get bored. So far, all the pics from this game indicates the game sets only in generic tech bases.

Also written texts in security cameras won't make a storyline, but scripted, intuitive, memorable sequences will. It's the harder way though, but that's what we are paying for.

And the game should be robust as hell. World Tour was a good port, but it had serious flaws that angered the people, like that sorry recoloured Cycloid. Something like badly compressed sound (like in DNF 2013), sloppy animation (what we saw in this gif) or other errors have to be detected as soon as possible.

>>4395756
I hope for their sake that they indeed do, and that they do something like Hard Reset did: skippable animated/drawn cutscenes in between certain maps.

That way you get the best of both worlds: it's not a hindrance for people who don't care, and people who do (reviewers) will get it.

Damn this zone was great

>>4395940
is that the level that referenced The Thing? Was it called 'What Lies Beneath'? Great fucking map.

>>4395495
>Much more content
lolwut. Episode 1 has much fewer levels than the others.

>>4395945
Yep
So far the level design, even down to the actual visual aesthetics is fucking stellar.

Whoever is making this, needs to be making games

>>4395573
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iceS88r8D04

>>4395945
Yes. I recommend reading the commentary file that comes with the mod. Lots of interesting stories and insight.

>[dwe1m6]
>What Lies Beneath
>Originally called "Outpost" and inspired by the movie The Thing, with the current name grabbed from an unrelated horror movie. Another exhibit of a big open space that leads into something more claustrophobic. I didn't think the original game tried to do very much with colored lighting, and I thought the nighttime environments I was choosing were good places to put it into action. The spaceship section and the room leading to it were all added much later after episode 2 was completed when I was better with room-over-room effects. This level gave me a taste for "run from the explosion" sequences. The explosion effects have to be created last if they are big since all the sprites make Mapedit's 2D mode a big mess. Since 2D mode was such a mess after v1.3, most of the changes for v1.4 were made outside the building.
>Favorite Moment: Making that squealing spider-thing run away as you enter the med lab.

>>4395461
Wait, he posts/lurks /vr/ ?

>>4395434
I'll fix it sometime this week. I watched someone play through on twitch over the weekend and wrote down a few edits I want to make, so I'll add this to the list. I'm not going to worry about places you can TNT-jump "out of bounds" but errors like the one you found should get fixed (I think there's a spot like that in dwe3m3 as well).

>>4395961
I'd search for Blood threads every once in a while on /vr/ while making v1.4 to see if anyone had any criticism. Most of it was directed towards dwe2m3 so I spent extra time tuning up that mission. Now that v1.4 is out I'm answering questions and making little updates to the ModDB file each week (instead of saving them up and releasing it as v1.5).

>>4395949
I make indie games, but no FPSs yet. I'd like to do a horror game sometime, though.

>>4395947
Fewer but better. The other episodes are just maps after maps, LA Meltdown is an adventure.

>>4395994
Keep it up dude, I hope you find some success, you have the skill for it

>>4396038
lol

Goddamn this was fucking cool

Another damn cool area

>>4395932
Animated cutscenes are just the lazy way to add storyline to your game. Do the leveldesign talk instead.

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