/vr/ - Retro Games

PVM and scanlines work for 2D games
They're placebo tier for 3D tho

>>4365780
I've had RGB modeed NS1s but I use scalers. Worth it for me.

>>4365780
no rgb mod is worth it. consoles that dont output rgb were intended to be played with composhit video. N64 was designed to be a blurry mess and there is no fixing it unless you use an emulator. Plenty of consoles natively output rgb but most games use dithering to fake color depth and transparency so composhit was what the developers intended.

>>4365787
The n64 outputs RGB though. It just wasn't wired to the port or amplified.

>>4365781
I mostly prefer to play N64 and PS1 games on my PVM because both my LCD TV's handle 240p scaling terribly, not because of scanlines, and I really don't want to spend the money on a good external scaler since I already own the PVM.

hijacking the thread.

What about the UltraHDMI mod? Is it worth it to finally see what n64 games look like without vaseline smeared all over them? I think it would be like playing the system for the first time.

There's a person on craigslist who is selling hdmi modded n64s. How do I know that it won't stop working a year or so down the line?

>>4365794
>What about the UltraHDMI mod?
Garbage but good if you're a hipster.
>There's a person on craigslist who is selling hdmi modded n64s. How do I know that it won't stop working a year or so down the line?
You don't buy off craigslist.

>>4365787
I'm most interested in RGB for increasing the color quality, not the sharpness of the image necessarily. S-video already looks way sharper than comoshit video does, but the colors leave a little to be desired. It seems a bit washed out or over-saturated. Not sure if an RGB mod would fix that or not.

>>4365783
I appreciate the input. It's a relatively inexpensive mod, so I think I might just pull the trigger. $40 isn't too much to lose if I don't like the results.

>>4365794
some games actually look worse like dk 64 due to the jaggies.

Just get a gameshark, preferably ver 3.3

>pic related

is from my capture card yet on the crt the right image without the filter has lots of jaggies which inst bad but I also saw lots of dithering which enrages me deeply,

>>4365801
>I appreciate the input. It's a relatively inexpensive mod, so I think I might just pull the trigger. $40 isn't too much to lose if I don't like the results.
Ya and it's very easy to remove. Just get one of those pre made PCBs that have all the components on it already. Just solder it on and some wires.

>>4365798
>You don't buy off craigslist.
then where do I buy from?

>>4365806
You don't.

>>4365807
hm interesting

>>4365802
well I'm 100% pro jaggies over smearing but not sure about dithering. Don't games like star fox 64 have heavy dithering in them even with blurring?

>>4365780
Not worth it. Get the right console and do the $1 mod.

>>4365787
Cool story. So if he gets an N64 that does output RGB then inserting the parts to connect it to the port that they omitted to save a buck is alright?

>>4365794
Is it worth $150 to see what N64 games look like with a GS code? No. lol

>>4365802
>>4366036
What this gameshark code you speak of

>>4366043
It’s a gameshark code to turn off antialiasing

>>4366056
shit thats neat i just pulled my GS out of the closet to try it with goldeneye and it makes a decent difference

>>4366036
>Is it worth $150 to see what N64 games look like with a GS code? No. lol
ya but you would need a framemeister or similar device to get the same quality which cost way more. Also, can the GS remove the horizontal blur? According to this page, it's hardware only http://retrorgb.com/n64blur.html

>>4365787
>composhit was what the developers intended.
Jesus christ.

>>4365780
>RGB mod worth it on N64 on CRT?
No. The n64's VI filter blurs the video output so badly that even an RGB mod doesn't fix it.

>>4366367
You would only need a fraMEMEister if we were talking about how to plug your old game into an LCD because mommy won't let you have a CRT in your room, which we aren't.
AFAIK GS codes can't remove the horizontal blur but you don't need an UltraHDMI to do it either. The $40 ($10) mod can do it.

>>4365781
You don't know what scanlines are, do you?

>retards and pvm haters STILL confusing shitty gameshark codes with VI Deblur (which can be with an RGB mod)
Fucking cancer the lot of you. Get your information right.

As explained by most people in the n64 scene now, certain combinations work better with different games. If you have a PVM, you're best bet is getting a RGB mod. Either using Tim Worthington's board or Voultar's TGS7374 board. Installing an optional VI deblur switch is an easy option too.

If you play on a big screen tv exclusively, Then by all means get the UltraHDMI solution. Because any other route is going to look like dogshit and TV's don't support S-VIDEO anymore.

>>4365780
Your polishing a turd. No matter how good it looks, it's still a piece of shit...

>>4366415
>what is aa defeat

>>4365781
600 tvl makes the 64 look as good as it can.

>>4365787
>N64 was designed to be a blurry mess and there is no fixing it unless you use an emulator.
You can get the UltraHDMI mod that disables the blurring filter.

>>4368419
what is this mod you speak of?

>>4365780

Here's my grand philosophy of bullshit that no one should listen to.

>You're playing on a CRT

So, my dear cunt. It's supposed to look like hot 90's shit. That's the charm of it. Why clean it up? Do you really want to make something look good on something that looks bad inherently? I remember games looking like ass through Y,R,W... so that's how I'm wiring my systems now. I want to be taken back.

>BUT I WANT CLEAN VISUALS

Then fucking emulate and use an HDTV. If anyone cares that you are, fuck 'em. What are they going to do, come to your house and wreck your shit with their autism?

>>4368419
The blur is just built-in ghetto AA. It's a feature.

>>4368537
n64 emulation exists?

>>4368548

It's unoptimized as fuck but it still works.

>>4368537
>calling it Y,R,W
>that passive aggressive posting style
What is it with posters like you? It seems that you are always uninformed about what you are talking about but just like to join threads and shitpost about how you feel you are superior to everyone else because you didn't invest time/money into a particular hobby. Genesis via RGB on a pvm looks mind blowingly amazing. And console makers put RGB in most of their consoles. Especially Sega since the master system. The best thing about living in the present is that we now have a multitude of choices on how to display retro games.

Don't come into a thread and call people cunts and claim that the bog standard cables that came with your retro console of choice are the way it was meant to be played. People like you who have an inferiority complex deserve to be on places like neogaf or reddit. Do your research, form an actual constructive opinion or don't post at all.

>>4368608
It's funny how almost every console from gen 3 onward has had native RGB or YPbPr or both, yet some retards still insist that it's somehow "wrong" to make use of it. It was only omitted from the N64 because of penny-pinching and corner-cutting, and because the N64 came out at an awkward time when RGB TVs were being phased out but YPbPr hadn't become commonplace yet.

>>4365780
No check my video plz!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJK1GKkPiCI

>>4368751
>native RGB or YPbPr or both
the fuck? nobody used component until the xbox

>>4368991
First: RGB is component. YPbPr is also component. They're different colorspaces, but they're both component video.
Second: you have poor reading comprehension.

>>4365802
None of the games look worse imo. The Vaseline is very evident. I wish more games had AA codes and I'm still fucking waiting for Kirby 64.

Also yesterday I was having issues on my GS 3.3 with oot 1.0 and Smash but they both need Master codes, just wanted to point that out.

>>4369065
why not just patch the roms?

>>4368751
The same penny-pinching that completely excluded a sound chip. What the fuck was Ninty thinking.

>>4369570
You have the wrong idea, I am using GS 3.3 in conjunction with real carts. I don't have an ED.

>>4366415
What is Tim Worthington's RGB mod? Already has the deblur feature built-in like the UltraHDMI.

>>4365780
I doubt it'd be worth the time to mod it for an n64. It will probably make it look worse due to seeing all the ugliness of the polygon edges and textures. Just keep a quality s-video cable, it's easy and it looks nice.

>>4365780
the overpixelated will kill it, don't do it grab some s-video cables and a crt tv

15:20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yeKMo6mcAo

>>4368548
yeah it's super awesome

>>4368956
This is a good video, thanks. The RGB output does look like it has better contrast, but I doubt I'd be able to tell the difference without doing a side by side comparison.

I'll probably go through with it some day, but I think for now I'll live with s-video and use the money towards the purchase of a new console to add to my collection.

>>4372484
I'm not talking about Ultra HDMI. I'm talking about modding an N64 to output RGB through an SCART cable.

>>4368537
I'm playing on a CRT that I went out of my way to get and paid a premium for, and I want the best video quality possible out of it.

If I didn't care about messy video I'd still be playing with composite on my consumer CRT.

>>4366663
Thank you. So many people seem to be confused as to what I am actually trying to accomplish here.

>>4373238
>paid a premium
>CRT
If you paid over 100 bucks for a CRT just because it's supposedly better quality then you're doing it wrong. Even better models should still be easy to find cheap or even for free and if you care about video quality or scanlines or stuff then you might as well pick up a video monitor.

>>4372489
>using a shitty video plugin to spread disinfo about N64 emulation
lol, pleb

>>4373382
>21.05 FPS
>inaccurate
>input lag
The only pleb here is you. Thanks for coming out of the woodwork. I knew someone would try something like this

>>4372484
I don't even care about 90% of this shit but the guy is fucking entertaining

>>4373480
>>21.05 FPS
Most N64 games were capped at 20fps output and 60fps input, you idiot.

>>inaccurate
In what way?

>>input lag
Nice meme.

>The only pleb here is you. Thanks for coming out of the woodwork. I knew someone would try something like this
No need to be so butthurt over me enjoying N64 games for free whilst you have to waste your taco bell check on giving it away to jew ebay scalpers, champ.

>>4373612
>he thinks input lag is a meme

>>4373623
Bitch, I can nomiss Contra WITH input lag. What have YOU achieved?

>>4373627
>nomiss
is this like a reddit thing?