/vr/ - Retro Games

>inferior to the ps1
Not really, it's just harder for devs to work around 3D, but it's not like the ps1's 3D was great either, just easy for devs to make, relatively.
Saturn has an edge on 2D games since the 2nd processor works for the background 2D layers.
(The reason SOTN has slowdowns is because it was kind of a hack port).

You oughta play PD1, 2 and Saga.
Overall it's a worthwhile console and has a lot of "hayden jewms", especially if you look into the japanese catalog, you have countless hours of fun.

>>4355163
>or is it a meme console that's inferior to the ps1.
You have to 18+ to be here.

>>4355163
The Saturn is a modding machine. Find yourself a Action Replay 4m plus and start having some fun.

>>4355163
I love my Saturn but I definitely wouldn't call it superior to the PS1. That said, if you appreciate the PC Engine you'll probably like it.
>Any other recommendations?
Panzer Dragoon series
Dragon Force
Guardian Heroes
Magic Knight Rayearth
Shining Force Series
Darius Gaiden
Bulk Slash
Dodonpachi
Batsugun
Battle Garegga
>Also is Megaman X4 better or worse on Saturn?
Saturn version has dithering instead of transparencies, but the music seamlessly loops unlike the PS1 version, so it's really up to your tastes which you prefer.

>>4355175
>I love my Saturn but I definitely wouldn't call it superior to the PS1
It's superior in that it has a more quality over quantity library. Sure, PS1 had more killer apps, but it also had over a thousand shovelware titles, which makes it the worst gen 5 system.

>>4355270
Undoubtely PS has a lot of good games that are worth playing aside from the shovelware, but yeah I always felt PS is kind of like in the middle. It's neither as good as Saturn when it comes to 2D, and not as good as N64 for 3D.
That's not a bad thing, it's like a good balance between the two, but I feel the strongest 5th gen games are majorly on Saturn and N64.

>>4355270
I have no idea why anyone would judge the quality of a game systems library by the ratio of its good games to its shovelware, it's not like anyone is forcing you to play every game ever released for it. The reason I said what I said was because there are simply more excellent games to love on the PS1.

>>4355270

If a system has 2000 games and only one in a thousand are good, and another system has only one game and that one game is good, then the one with 2000 games is far and away a much better system.

Shining force 3. Scenario 1 was the only one released here in burgerland. Thankfully scenario 2, 3 and the premium disc have all been translated. It's really great to play the japanese ones in english on real hardware.

>>4355418

Forgot to say, saturn isn't for everyone. Seeing as you're a tg/pce fan, I'd say you'll enjoy it. If you're handy (or can pay someone or buy one) I recommend getting it modded. Modded will play off cdr. I've had no issues doing so and played the shit out of mine. Action replay is a must, both for the extra memory blocks and it lets you play any region game.

The 3d games are hit or miss, but the 2d ones are pretty great. I love it and ps1, I'd say ps1 had more major hits, but saturn has a lot of "hidd3N GeMZ".

>>4355168
>Not really, it's just harder for devs to work around 3D
It's much worse for 3D. The two CPUs can't keep up with the only the PS1 GTE no matter how good of a programmer you are, and the PS1 GPU destroys VDP1 while VDP2 is close to useless in free perspective 3D games. The only advantage it might have in 3D games is more RAM and VRAM, but every other bottleneck far outweighs that advantage.
>Saturn has an edge on 2D games since the 2nd processor works for the background 2D layers.
While VDP2 can produce impressive background effects, that still doesn't even mean the Saturn has superior hardware for 2D games. VDP1's pathetic fillrate continues to bottleneck the platform, and the Saturn can't draw nearly as many sprites as the PS1 per frame (let alone transparent ones).
>(The reason SOTN has slowdowns is because it was kind of a hack port).
The reason SOTN has slowdowns is because half of the backgrounds were generated by VDP1 and they scaled up all the graphics like morons. It's generally the worst possible showcase of what the Saturn can do, due to being programmed in such an asinine way.

PS1 is close to an objectively better machine than the Saturn for 3D games, while both machines have advantages over the other within 2D games.

>>4355163
Unlike the PCE which is 3rd place in its gen, Saturn is 2nd.

>>4355868
The irony of this comment is the PCE was 2nd in JPN,

>>4355163
>Nights
Good man.
Excellent game with plenty of replayability due to score attack action. Lovely soundtrack, too.

Sooner or later we will get Sega Saturn backlash and it will be shat to death ala N64.

>>4355901
Welcome to /vr/, stick around for more than a day and you will find plenty of people who are very angry at the Saturn for existing.

>>4355163
Saturn was a great console. It just got awful support in the west. Most people including myself either had few games for it or didn't even have one. Sega was making poor decisions during that time period the same way Nintendo and Microsoft have been for the past few years. Too bad Sega didn't get the opportunity to recover like they did.

>>4355163
Truth be told, it is a lean mean meme machine, and I love every thing about it. The Sega titles are all the rage, Panzer Dragoon, Fighter Mega Mix, Virtual On, Gale Racer, Daytona, and Dynamite Dekka, get into it.

>>4356463
>Too bad Sega didn't get the opportunity to recover like they did.
They got the opportunity, they just fucked it up again.

tfw dropped 150 on a saturn and a chip and barely touch it
oh well its like 300 to do that nowadays

>>4356513
Only if you're a turbo retard. Where the hell are you coming up with these prices?

>>4355171
Neat, I might check this out. I am getting bored with my current games.

>>4355839
>The two CPUs can't keep up with the only the PS1 GTE no matter how good of a programmer you are

They probably could, especially if you add in the DSP. But it wouldn't matter because the VDP1 is anything from a third to a sixth slower than the PSX GPU, on top of having less memory, worse colours, worse lightning, and worse transparency.

>The reason SOTN has slowdowns is because half of the backgrounds were generated by VDP1 and they scaled up all the graphics like morons. It's generally the worst possible showcase of what the Saturn can do, due to being programmed in such an asinine way.

SOTN was specifically designed around building backgrounds in a framebuffer based system. The only way they could've made it look equally good on Saturn would have been to rebuild every single level from the ground up. And even then it would still have issues with transparency and lightning due to how badly the VDP1 was designed (it can't do either of that if you are drawing sprites which blend with backgrounds).

Yeah, it was badly ported, but it wouldn't have had so many issues if the VDP1 wasn't idiotically designed in the first place.

Where do you guys usually get your Saturn isos?
I use the usual places like Emuparadise but it seems like a lot of the rips are pretty old and glitchy.
However I could also chock it up to my shitty old disk drive but I thought I'd ask at least.

>big pc engine fan
>(english)
Is this a joke?

>>4356780
I just rip my own games. I buy the games I like. Then, whenever I'm short on cash, I sell them. Since I always get to keep them for a few years, this means that I always get to sell them at a higher price.

For example I got SF Collection for $15 or so 4 years ago, today it sells for $60.

>>4356780
emuparidise.

>>4356780
isozone, since emuparadise's rips suck

>>4356921
It would be nice if /vr/ anons shared their own rips of Saturn games.
Someone should post a tutorial on how to rip games into .iso as best as possible, and then we could upload games to a Mega account or something.
I don't have anything rare, but I could contribute with stuff like Pazer Dragoon II, Sonic Jam, SFA2 and Vampire Savior.

>>4357281
If someone posted a guide or tutorial I'd be happy to share my modest collection as well, I've got a few gems like Cotton 2 and Kingdom Grandprix.

>>4357281
>>4357298
1. download discimagecreator
2. dump game

it really is that easy.

>>4357312
so why are there so many bad dumps? do people use different programs or is there more to image creation?

>>4357323
Because you are all morons.

>>4356780
archive.org has tosec / trurip. had a bunch of problems burning them to my TY discs because of their autism.

>>4355163
sonic R and casper are ok saturn games

>>4356780
broke: emuparadise

woke: rutracker

>>4357484
>had a bunch of problems burning them to my TY discs because of their autism.

It must be your autism because I never had any problems.
tosec: drop cue in nero, burn
trurip: open ccd in Clonecd, set it to game mode, burn.

>>4356780
>>4356921
>>4357221
>>4357278
>>4357281
>>4357312
>>4357323
>>4357331
>>4357484
>>4357529
>>4358291

You fuckers are goddamned clueless, you know that?

https://archive.org/details/SgaStrnCmplt

And here's their DB, so you have a good overview of how far along they are: http://redump.org/discs/system/ss/

>>4357484

>TY discs

Not bad, but certainly obsolete. Use Verbatim Azo's: https://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-DataLifePlus-Branded-Recordable-94523/dp/B00008L3HV/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1509205426&sr=8-1&keywords=azo+cd-r

>>4358307
>You fuckers are goddamned clueless, you know that?

Considering that I'm one of the people who MAKES those, not really, no.

>>4358307
Those don't work on sd loaders.
useless.

>>4358338

>weird flash-cart bullshit with SD cards

Not my problem. No reason they shouldn't; all the disc data is there.

>>4358351
>all the disc data is there.

NOPE. The subcodes are missing. Since not the entire disc data is there, this makes them bad dumps.

>>4358360

There is no way to reliably rip subchannels. They lack any ECC whatsoever.

>>4358351
>weird flash-cart bullshit with SD cards

The sd loader for Saturn has the dumbest working principle ever. All it does is read the cd image and stream it out in the data format the Saturn expects. If the image isn't a good dump, it'll spout out bullshit and the Saturn will say "no".

>>4358364
There probably is, but they haven't found it because for all their preservation talk, redump is nothing more than just a bunch of script kiddie pirates.

>>4358381

>The sd loader for Saturn has the dumbest working principle ever. All it does is read the cd image and stream it out in the data format the Saturn expects. If the image isn't a good dump, it'll spout out bullshit and the Saturn will say "no".

I'll have to take your word for it, 'cause I don't do weird flashcart bullshit.

>There probably is, but they haven't found it because for all their preservation talk, redump is nothing more than just a bunch of script kiddie pirates.

...Is there something you'd like to share with the rest of the group, Anon? Here, show us on this doll where those bad, bad folks touched you!

>>4358396
You are a moron.

1. download discimagecreator
2. dump disc

it will give you a proper dump with subcodes included.

>>4358401

1. no
2. no u
3. try dumping the same subchannels (WTF are "subcodes"?) twice in a row and tell me what result you get.

>>4358415
1 & 2 - why not? oh wait, I guess you don't even have any Saturn games to dump. You're just a faggot pirate kid talking big, aren't you.

3. the result I get is a proper dump that works whether I burn it, load it in an emulator, or use it in an SD loader.

>>4358424

Yep, you're just trolling. Vague-ass number three proves dickwaving is afoot.

>>4358427
>Vague-ass number three proves dickwaving is afoot.

If it was a bad dump, it wouldn't work. It's that fucking simple. But I guess you wouldn't know, since you don't actually have the console.

>>4355163
>redpill me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-VdJchkfzA
All 3 scenarios pre-translated and ready to go in one neat little package.

Does a Japanese saturn require a jp21 cable and a jp21 to scart converter to use on a framemeister?

>>4358307
That doesn't have every SS title as far as I'm aware.

>>4358639
>/pol/

>>4360681

It had every one of them in the database up until 2014. Good enough for me. You could always hunt down a more recent revision, should your needs mandate it.

>>4358429

lol @ dis bitchnigger

>>4360701
>Good enough for me.

If it doesn't have Super Tempo then it is not good enough. It's one of the best Saturn platformers.

>>4360721

http://redump.org/disc/41462/

...Remember what I said about hunting down a newer revision, Anon? Please work on your reading comprehension in the meantime.

>>4358415
Try burning a bin/cue of a CD+G disc from redump and tell me what results you get.

Or hell, try burning any Saturn game with a cd audio track and listen to it in the CD player mode of the Saturn. Sooner or later, the backgrounds will get cancelled out because the lack of proper subcodes will make the system think that it's running a CD+G disc.

No subcode to burn = not a good dump.

>>4360726

>Try burning a bin/cue of a CD+G disc from redump and tell me what results you get.

The same as from every other attempt to preserve a CD+G disc: errors and corruption in the disc data from a complete lack of ECC in the CD+G spec.

Not redump's fault.

>>4360736
>The same as from every other attempt to preserve a CD+G disc: errors and corruption in the disc data from a complete lack of ECC in the CD+G spec.

I have working clonecd dumps of cd+g discs, that work fine after being burned.

Yes, it is redump's fault, and yes, you could get around the lack of ECC, they just don't because they are kids playing with scripts.

>>4360749

>he's still craving (you)s

Holy shit Anon.

>>4360652
>Japanese saturn
You can use euroscart or jp21 with it
>jp21 to scart convertor
The mini-cable that comes with the Framemeister is jp21, so if you're using a jp21 cable with your Saturn + that, you don't need any additional converters.
(Maybe you've already got a euroscart setup with your Framemeister for other systems? In that case, get a euroscart Saturn cable.)
I use a sync-on-Luma euroscart cable with my Japanese white Saturn to connect to a CRT