/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT EVENTS ===

/vr/ HALLOWEEN MAP PACK
-Test build released (also contains latest textures)
-https://www.dropbox.com/s/uikf8kmz3st4z2j/vryspooky_alpha.zip?dl=1
-Latest sprites/dehacked (replaces spookygfx1 in above)
-http://www.mediafire.com/file/y4ky4cyy9075nkd/spookygfx2.zip
-New Deadline: October 22 (reached?)
-https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/4328172/#4330289
-Rules
-https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/4294178/#4298105

QUMP
-Beta released
-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp_ZqCZPJKk

OP
-Looking to update the OP, suggestions are welcome
-Include The Inmost Dens somewhere?

=== NEWS ===

[10-23] Skulldash Expanded Edition released, a speedrun mod
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/97667-release-skulldash-expanded-edition/

[10-20] Babel gets a Pre-ZScript-Conversion Release >>4340720
https://mega.nz/#!P4E0AaqR!4BgoQGKW-Zow6AY2V6CrqOsfCIWsEaNBYk78BW8cXTI

[10-20] Jovian Palette: another attempt to CRTify the game palette
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/97646-jovian-palette/

[10-18] Anon mod release: cgunner.deh >>4337002
https://www.mediafire.com/file/jzlgjs1c4cqub8w/cgunner.deh

[10-17] Hexen Fighter Skill 4 in 12:34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ53y0h56DY

[10-17] Some tribute cover songs from the DOOM soundtrack
https://soundcloud.com/totigerus/totigerus-on-the-hunt-from-the-doom-soundtrack

[10-16] Mod-agnostic pistol start addon in ZScript, by Matt from ZDoom Forums
https://drive.google.com/uc?id=0B2IErgIQg4pkcFQ1ckNIYVJqSFE

[10-15] Doom novels, in the event you wanted to read them
http://www39.zippyshare.com/v/a2Oqwcv6/file.html

[10-14] Demo: Slaughterfest 2012 UV-Max 99:48 by Yatima
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1807159

[10-10] Smooth Doom updated
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=1022234#p1022234

=== PREVIOUS ===

http://pastebin.com/PZDkqABT

=== PROTIP ===

To submit news, please reply to this post.

I finished my first vanilla map.
https://anonfile.com/YaPcLec7ba/yourmomcubus.wad
It supports difficulty levels and it works with Dosbox and Brütal Doom.

Here's a fun idea for a doom mod
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0oERDTKlWU
100 Rooms of Enemies romhack of SMW in Doom form

if you be my demon bodyguard i'll be your long lost pal

>>4348816 >>4348815
FAO repugnus vr halloween /vr/y spooky spooky doom

>>4342837 >>4342853 >>4342865
>custom pain elemental for the Halloween mod
https://expirebox.com/download/bc516e6d6803fa867b7138e4dfa369b6.html
>There you go. Again, it's in truecolor but palettizes fairly well.
>If you missed and want the skellington shotgunner as well I could reupload that too.

>>4344760 >>4346545
>HALLOWEEN PACK SUBMISSION
>MAP NAME: Hexenkessel (Witch Caludron)
>AUTHOR: Hebridean Isle
http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=57528116302747520531

>>4345894
>Here's my map for the spooky megawad.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/055mgei6z48zk8z/halloween-amok.rar?dl=1

>>4346176
>Update to my map for the halloween spooky wad (MAP03 in the alpha)
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1dtznqhZG2fRFFhTk5URkNiZkk

>>4346564
>/vr/ halloween map submission:
>map info in readme
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxbbtKR5bll_Y0hQeHB6WVlISDQ/view?usp=sharing

>>4348815 >>4348816 >>4345894
FAO amok
>>4348091

>>4348837
>Brutal DosBOX
imagine

>>4348887
damn when you put them all together like that it looks really bad! I'll give these another look on the weekend

>>4348893
it's not bad, just noticed them as I was playing and realized it was easier to screencap than to try to write out all of them in text
this was all done in PrBoom+, latest version
also the weird area on the edge of the orange water happens for the whole orange water area and opposite where that screencap was taken there is some lava that you can't see until you get closer, might be easiest to just throw some blocking lines in

whoever maintains the quake pastebin should add quake 2 starter to quake 2 its a great multiplayer client and is also used for speedrunning

There is something in Quake: Scourge of Armagon that never seems to be used anywhere else in the series, yet I find extremely fascinating.
The second episode completion text reads:
>After destroying the power generator, you pass beyond the gate of Mortum's Keep. A wave of nausea suddenly flows over you and you find yourself cast out into a liquid void. You float lifelessly, yet aware, in a lavender sea of energy. After what seems like an eternity, you feel the presence of a diabolical intelligence. You are held helpless for a moment as your mind is open to that of Armagon -- Quake's general and master of this realm. Recognizing you as the one who foiled his attempt to conquer Earth, a hellish howl fills your mind and blots out all consciousness. When you awake, you find yourself on the shores of reality, but in a time and place unknown to you.

>you find yourself cast out into a liquid void.
>You float lifelessly
>yet aware
>in a lavender sea of energy.
>After what seems like an eternity, you feel the presence of a diabolical intelligence.

Imagine what it must feel to stay in a place where you are basically dead, but your consciousness still still active, for what "seems like an eternity". And then you "awake" and just live again.

>>4343535
what is this Hexen map+mod?

Question from last thread:
Is there a comprehensive log of id and Ion's .plan updates?
I've been itching to see the .plan wars unfold.

>>4349000

>ZPC is a FPS game like Marathon series.
>Because It uses Marathon 2 engine.
>Thus, It makes player nauseated.

Also was I wrong remembering ZPC being actually monochrome or was that a different game or a specific section of ZPC? I'm sure I played a demo version on one of those mac magazine demo discs.

>>4349020
looks like wrath of chronos with that mapset he said

>>4349051
>You're not perfect

Is this any good?

>>4349080
He mentioned Tomb of Vicerus map, and didnt said what mapset he was using.
I cant find neither tomb of vicerus nor whatever else.

>>4349090
>>4349080
The mapset is called Scourge of Viscerus.

>>4348885
thank you for collecting all of this together so it didn't get lost. not him but can appreciate conscientious effort when i see it.

>>4349087
yes. pretty fun. pretty gritty. very smooth movement and looking around

How do I adjust Doomseeker so that players in coop have limited respawns and the map restarts when everyone is dead?

Is there any goddamn way to alt+tab in gzdoom/zandronum on linux? Shit even locks the function keys on my laptop. It's really starting to annoy me having to quit doom to disable the touchpad when I've accidentally left it on.

>>4349227
>imp disgusted to death by the scale of his own sprite flitering.jpg

Does anyone know the console command to enable Marathon enemies in the Samsara monster mixer?

>>4349250
> imp looked in the mirror

There can be a mod that turns smoothing on for random monsters who can be killed by mirror "weapon".

>>4349280
where is ashwall3

Someone give me a doom .wad that feels like a "campaign" rather than a strung together set of disconnected levels. Something like the base games or Ancient Aliens. Hell, I'll settle for G/ZDoom wankery like Winter's Fury.

>>4349297
Epic 2
Unholy Realms

>>4349297
strange aeons did a decent job with this

>>4349297
>>4349306
Strange Aeons + High Noon Drifter is a must-play in my book.

>>4349197
change it to survival

>>4349297
Shadow of the Woolball
Rise of the Woolball

What do you guys think of the original Quake campaign vs its contemporaries, particularly DOOM?

I'm nearing the end of it and I've really enjoyed it so far but I think it's less due to level design and more because of how satisfying the shooting is, and the atmosphere. I like the short and sweet length of the levels, though.

>>4349297
BTSX

wow Lethal Doom is fucking trash
so fucking shit
anybody has any weapon/character/inventory mods that dont change the monsters and are similar to Trailblazer?

how do I into Marathon

>>4349438
You keep running until the end.

>hard drive FINALLY arrives
Goddamn, I can get back to my Immoral Conduct business. Time to wank myself retarded and go to sleep.

I'll finish up the Garand this week and I think I'll post it as a resource for anyone to use.

Final Doomer update when?

>>4348815
wat doom game this is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clcirPeGqMs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YFMKHiIegw
posting these again, they sound good for gmota

Why do they keep putting cyberdemons in closets?

>>4349551
Paranoia

anybody can generate me an invite link to the Project Brutality discord please?
the one i keep finding on youtube videos comes up as expires or invalid
i dont know what else to do to get in there

is there anyway to get SBARINFO to take a ACS variable as its input?

like it renders a bar using int test from ACS

>>4349635
what else would you do with all that ass, all that ass inside dem jeans?

>>4348885
Thanks man. I'll try and put out a beta some time later today. I wanted to yesterday, but real life is a bitch.

>>4349078
>>Thus, It makes player nauseated.
I never understood why people got headaches playing Marathon. I play Marathon constantly and never felt any nausea. Now, Marathon 2 on the Xbox 360, that ran at 60 FPS and actually hurt my brain. But Marathon on PC is capped at 30 so I don't have that problem

>>4349438
What did he mean by this?

>>4349306
Just got through the third episode and this was a really good recommendation. Haven't sat down and demolished a whole megawad in a long time.

>>4349734
>What did he mean by this?
How do I play Marathon 1 on PC

>>4349734
Marathon never bothered me either but I can see why it would upset some people.

>>4349787
You either download Aleph One, which is a source engine, or you use an emulator. I would recommend using Aleph One over an emulator. Aleph One is very conservative so the games will all play the same except just look better, with better textures and HUD. If you don't want this stuff, you can just turn it off in the settings. Some people say that diagonal mouse look is wonky with Aleph One, but I've never noticed/had that issue and I play it every day.

https://alephone.lhowon.org

>massive
>powerful looking
>actually just has a moderate rate of fire and damage, though pretty accurate
Is this the actual successor of the classic chaingun?

>>4349879
I think most people use it for the alt fire, no?

>>4349879
i thought that was obvious, where as the NuChaingun is what the SSG is to the SG, more powerful but more specialized

>>4349896
This
Also, how come the Plasma Rifle and Rocket Launcher don't have an SSG equivalent, like, what would they even be?

>>4349898
gauss cannon uses cells, but can outclass what the plasmagun and rocket launcher do
a bit OP

> all ammo types have 2 weapons each
> except rockets
it's like quake 1 never happened

>>4349913
>grenade launcher wasn't in the game, until it became a dlc weapon for the last expansion
why?

>>4349438
Never stop running, never stop firing.

>>4349898
>Also, how come the Plasma Rifle [...] don't have an SSG equivalent,
The BFG9000

>>4350053
unique ammo not shared with plasmagun, unlike both shotguns

>>4349078
>>4349734
there are multiple reasons it can make someone feel nauseous
>bad framerate
>bad FOV
>bobbing

>>4350123
>bad framrate
stable 30 isn't bad.
>bad FOV
You can change that
>bobbing
You can turn it off

>>4349409
Unpopular opinion: Quake does every single thing better than Doom.

>>4350127
Really, with bobbing turned off and mouse speed adjusted, Marathon feels pretty comfy.

>>4350152
only unpopular amongst plebs

>>4350152
except inspire endless amounts of high quality user maps/mods

>>4350152
Not every thing.

>>4350162
except it did do exactly that and is responsible for multiple popular franchises

>>4350154
Just watching videos of it makes me sick

>>4350165
i don't see twenty thousand quake maps available for free download. where are you looking?

>>4350170
quaddicted.com

>>4350170
look harder then brainlet there's thousands of SP and MP maps for quake and more come out every year

>>4350152
It even does being slower better than Doom.

>>4350154
Marathon with proper mouse control would be fantastic. Aleph One is such a shitty source port.

>>4350180
only a few hundred, maybe a thousand. decent, but nothing compared to doom.

>>4350180
no, the burden of proof is yours.

>>4350172
only a few hundred, maybe a thousand. decent, but nothing compared to doom.

>>4350180
no, the burden of proof is yours.

>>4350168
Because, again, those videos have probably bobbing turned on.

>>4350191
doom has a lot more garbage to wade through to get the gems while quake has better content on average simply as a byproduct of the steeper learning curve to make that content in the first place
quake's biggest mods are also way more notable/impressive

>>4350152

>>4350192
there's a 24/7 co-op server with over 1700 co-op maps alone
i can't be bothered to dig up archived quake maps because you think doom was the only game with a strong mod scene

>>4350154
>Marathon feels pretty comfy
Play Tempus Irae, it's very comfy. It's Marathon but it's in Renaissance era Italy

>>4350197
For a second I thought that was Doomguy's abs window.

>>4350198
>1700 maps
wowitsfuckingnothing.jpg

>>4350208

>>4350201
Thanks, I'll give it a try.

>>4349036
Seconded. I can't find shit either.

>>4350189
Aleph One is fine, it's the obligatory accurate sourceport. But it would be nice to have more options.

I usually only play Doom in DOSBox because I'm a faggot, but it turns out playing at 160fps is actually pretty nice

Is there any way to turn off YOU NEED THE KEY BTW messages in ZDoom? Can't find the option

>>4350219
yeah i deleted the post but still please explain why you shitposting quakefags deserve proper replies? you came in throwing shit from the start >>4350152 >>4350158

>>4350181
> he can't strafe jump

i still like doom best, but i wish it was possible to implement quake 2 movement physics
hitting a ramp at SHAZBOT speeds is great fun

>>4350243
I was going by the intended gameplay experience, Romero did a whole thing about how him and Carmack put a lot of effort into slowing you down and the general rate you kill stuff at, to compensate for the smaller maps and fewer enemies per map.

How do I change gamma correction in prboom+? This shit's too bright.

>>4350265
Source?

>>4350270
No, Quake engine

>>4350273
Go home Leslie Nielson

>>4350270
rome.ro/quakes-player-speed-1
fucking dorkplaces

>>4350270
Part of it is here, can't remember where I read the other bit on damage values and health. http://rome.ro/quakes-player-speed-1

>>4350221
http://nardo.bungie.org/alephone.php
It's good fun. I just started my playthrough of it myself, I'm only on level 12 but it's already my favorite Marathon scenario.

>>4350227
Aleph One actually has some cool stuff in it. It can load waaay more enemies, fog, rain and snow, and has LUA support. Aleph One gets shit on too much and I'm not sure why. I guess maybe it's a "works for me" thing

>>4350286
I find vanilla Marathon level dsign to be terrible all the way through.

>>4350268
press F11

>>4349885
The rocket packet is simply fucking beastly when you upgrade it, especially when you use the infinite ammo rune.

>>4349917
Good question.

I really like grenade launchers, a lot, but using it in multiplayer, I felt it was hard to get good use out of it, though I also stink at multiplayer deathmatch, so that's probably why.

>>4350306
I didn't mention vanilla Marathon at all in my post but thanks for your input.

>>4350237
>he disagrees with me, SHITPOSTER!

>>4350345
>calls everyone else plebs
>i'm not a shitposter guys honest

>>4350229
Options > HUD options > messages >show messages

is it worth playing that halloween map pack now? or should i wait for another build?

>>4350379

There hasn't been a build yet. Just a preview of some WIP maps.

>>4350421
some of them are the actual releases of the maps, just not together

if you wanted to play them, and possibly give feedback, I'm sure the map authors would appreciate it and it might produce a better product

>>4350370
I like the pickup messages though

>>4350364
>>4350152 was just expression a harmless opinion, dude. Chill the fuck out.

>>4350434
that depends, will this be complete before halloween? if yes, i'd rather wait. if no, guess i can play now and give me shitty critiques
i play on hmp

>>4350127
>stable 30 isn't bad.
I'm used to 144; 30 is awful

>>4350521
If you can't handle DOOM running at 35FPS and 320x200, you don't belong in this thread

>>4350525
I'll smack you

>>4350123
Doom sickness was a thing back in the 90s, when people weren't used to it, but that shit's just pitiful these days.

>>4350521
To be honest you come off as a huge crybaby bitch

>>4350525
It works fine.
I'll even play it a smaller resolution and poorer framerate, the fucking GBA, and I like it still.

>>4350525
>not playing doom on a calculator
baseball man

>>4350525
More like if you can't handle Doom with keyboard only controls you don't belong here.

>>4350532
time for a babby story starring me

First time playing a game graphically similar to Doom was Duke Nukem 3D on Xbox360. Played it just fine

when Marathon came out on Xbox360, it gave me motion sickness. Don't know why

now I play Doom regularly (and Duke Megaton) just fine. Don't know if Marathon would still give me motion sickness after all this Doom playing, but I know The Talos Principle gave me motion sickness

>try q-touch because there's no way it's as shit as people say here
>E4M1 on hard
i-it didn't have to be like this

>>4350569
Marathon on Xbox was 60 FPS, not 30. I admit I got motion sickness from the Xbox port of Marathon 2 but I haven't gotten any kind on PC. You'd probably be fine if you played Marathon today.

>>4350571
use GLBoom+novert (0 sensivity for vertical axis)
plays fine, looks fine.

>>4350569
that has more to do with floaty gamepad aiming on 360 version.
Marathon is fine on PC. And by fine I mean shitty.

Welp, time to get your hate on guys; it's another BD dev diary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJn64RWJK3Y

>>4350569
Off topic, but how does Talos Principle give you motion sickness? I can understand Marathon, but not Talos.

>>4350596
No clue, I played a lot of Serious Sam HD+3 just fine.
Talos Principle even has "motion sickness" settings and I see other people mentioning it too.

>>4350591
Q-touch is Quake, not Doom.

Does anyone know a good source for punching sound effects? Looking for meaty stuff with some semblance of realism, though silly stuff (Ala God Hand) is fine too. I'm currently using the ragdoll impact sounds from Half-Life 2 and they sort of work, but they aren't as 'squishy' as I hoped.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-fH1rdirDo

>>4350628
Oh.

Then yea, you're fucked lol.
Gamepad does not help that much with this one too.

does anyone know how to resize the game render screen?

like here, imagine your looking at the game and we split it up in 4 squares

--|--

so we render only the game here

x|--

and the rest of the non rendered stuff is just black void or something

>>4350629
Here's something I found. Pretty squishy without sacrificing the impact. You'll have to separate the sounds yourself, though.

>>4350629
Here's something I found. Pretty squishy without sacrificing the impact. You'll have to separate individual sounds yourself, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAYCZz5tye0

>>4350642
Thanks a billion! They sound a little wimpy, but I can layer them on top of the pre-existing sounds to create the effect I want. I'm going to try to make it so that the 'meaty' sounds are only played if an enemy is hit while low on health, so you have a somewhat of a way to tell how low an enemy's health is without the need for healthbars, or drawing multiple 'damaged' versions of an enemy's sprites, which is beyond me.

>>4350631
You could totally play Quake with a good gamepad, it's just that you'd get schooled in multiplayer by anyone with a mouse.

>>4348815
Can someone here hook me with a proper DUKE3D wad? The one i got is a shitty russian bootleg

>>4350632
added a picture just to clarify better

>>4348837
Anyone played this? got any criticism?

>>4348816
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ffR1I3c8ek

Doom 2 NM 22:04 WR by Zero Master

>>4348837
Just used it as a test map for Babel. Very nice overall, I thought at one point that you hadn't locked a red key door right but in fact it was just a one way shortcut back to a previous area without the key.

I liked it.

>>4350650
>I'm going to try to make it so that the 'meaty' sounds are only played if an enemy is hit while low on health

Really good thinking. Subtle shit like that is miles above health bars, and sound based clues are a big part of what made Doom what it was.

Is the guy who did the Pain Elemental sprite replacements here? Is there any name you wanted to be credited as, or do you want to remain anonymous? Also if you post a picture of the model you used to make the sprite or whatever to prove it's actually you so some random person doesn't take your credit.

>>4350718
>
I can't take the credit for that, I'm ripping that off from a silly brawler called Mother Russia Bleeds. Thanks, though.

All this stuff is fine and all, but are you ready for the ultimate challenge?

New burtl dev diary:

https://youtu.be/pJn64RWJK3Y

I can't believe I only just now found out custom damagetypes and paintypes for monsters exist. I may be new to decorate, but I'm stupider than I thought. Anyways, here's the low health damage-sound system in action, even though I ended up using different sounds to the one the guy provided.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6EvkWPZ59k

>>4350737
needs 'doomguy' button

>>4350736
Still, it fits Doom like a glove.

>>4350761
those tank sprites look really weird. the treads look too small, or maybe the cannon just looks too big

>>4350817
I'm seeing that too. I'd say make the treads bigger. Shrinking the cannon seems undoomlike.

>>4348837
How do I load it in DOSBox

>>4350737

Tiger Electronics anything was literally the worst toy.

one thing I noticed on the chaingun from doom 64 and quake's nailguns is the way the screen keeps a steady momentum when you fire them continuously, and how the player camera settles to its original position once you're done firing them.

is such an effect reproducible in doom?

>>4350832
doom2.exe -file filename.wad

>download latest gzdoom
>sprites are anti-aliased by default

>>4350761
something about this just looks really funny to me

So, do people have feedback on the Halloween maps submitted so far?

>>4350843
Yes, with a code like this:
GUNF A 1 A_SetPitch(pitch -1)
GUNF B 1
GUNF C 1 A_SetPitch(pitch+1)

>>4350817
humanoids in Doom art style have giant head proportions. Makes sense for tanks to follow the same rules.

>>4350817
Tanks do not work well in sprite form. Large, wide things that are longer than they are wide don't really translate too well, especially with only 8 rotations.

>>4350761
Looks fun desu. The tank looks stupid as fuck.

>>4351010
>Brutal Doom
>fun

YOU are allowed to have that opinion and i respect it wholeheartedly

>>4350761
didn't get enough replies with >>4350595 ?

>>4350972
A few people have posted comments, I'm just waiting for the latest version

>>4350972
I've played them and they're all pretty sub par. Just aimless slogs where you fight a lot of revenants and an overabundance of pain elementals presumably since the authors wanted to spam the new pain elemental sprites, which by the way are certainly competent but honestly not great. The novelty wears off by the third time six of them teleport in on you, and you'll hate the green lost souls too. The candy sprites get tiresome really fast, and the map authors didn't take into account how they would look when they placed them. It appears as though some tried to place items in a foreboding way but the new sprites just completely trash that. It's a weird mix of attempts at atmospheric lighting and garish, amateur sprite recolors. The orange textures are just plain gaudy and do nothing but detract from every room unfortunate enough to have them. There are a couple of good ideas sprinkled into a map or two, but these are invariably immediately weighed down by the ham-fisted efforts of the authors to strangle in the cradle any and every good idea they might have. I hope you love archviles, because it felt like every map had a dozen, along with the 20 obligatory revenants. The fact that this was made by a bunch of unnamed people from 4chan really shines through in the wildly varying difficulty of the maps, between different parts of the maps themselves. Several throw what appear to be penultimate fights, one map having several in a row, before long sections that feel like you should have a pistol, and then do that again after that. Sections where the player is up against multiple high level monsters from all directions without so much as a stimpack, then a walk in the park where berserk packs are handed out like candy, all in the same map. It's obvious none of the map authors bothered playtesting their maps; for several I harbor serious doubts they've even played Doom before. The best map, by far, was map02, because it was the shortest map and over quickest.

>>4351104
I have to agree with you that candy corn and pumpkins and the color orange are about as far from legitimately scary as possible - but I guess the project is more about faux scary childhood Halloween than trying to promote actual fear or spooky things

>>4351104
That's useless generalizing feedback. Provide some on a map to map basis please.

>>4350972
I gave all of them unless I missed a download a quick play through, and the best thing I can say about them is that they are not terrible. They range from not very fun to passable, with a few brief moments of good action. 4chan's resident map authors really ran with the no time limit (though, really, can you call a five hour map a speedmap? What do you do with the extra three hours :V) and its rather a shame because you can tell a good number of gentleman really put a fair few hours into their work and it must be a letdown for them with how they ended up playing and looking. They didn't fall for the typical newbie mapper trap of hundreds of tiny sectors and shiny sector toilets and copypasted rooms, instead trying to emulate what they've seen in better maps, its rather unfortunate how it turned out. I would recommend to the mappers involved not to get discouraged and keep on at it. In another five years some of you have the potential to be the next skillsaw.

>>4351130
>wanting to be skillsaw

That's more of an insult.

You still did not give specific feedback on what the individual maps could improve. Which is more worth than just a general gist.

>>4350972
I can't recommend any of them; they don't work as regular maps and they don't work as halloween maps. I'm sorry but it's true!
If you're one of the people that must play a spooky themed wad come this time of year, I'd look elsewhere for your fix--Unloved, Circus 2, or even the first episode of Scythe 2 are all better choices.

>>4351135
>I can't recommend any of them; they don't work as regular maps

Why not? Stop being so vague and half assed if you want to give feedback. Which did you play? Just the alpha or all that was posted?

There is nothing worse than lack or low quality feedback for people who want to improve.

>>4350972
There's not a whole lot to say about them. The high point of the whole project is definitely the new pain elemental sprite set, with a close second being the sector shovel, lantern and exhumed coffin in the map released yesterday. It's all downhill from there. I have a soft spot for community projects that get started off of the big three doom sites, but unfortunately this one is a bit of a stinker. I would play the hell out of another 200min though.

is Hexen deathmath a hero shooter

>>4350972
I really really wanted to like the maps, but they just aren't what I was expecting. Maybe next year 4chan should start the Halloween mapping when they did 300 minutes, and only do one mapping project around this time of year? I can feel the mapping fatigue in the maps and in the community reception.

>>4351138
>>4351132
>>4351127

Damn, dude.

>>4351154
If reception is so negative then maybe Repugnus should consider not releasing the pack at all.

>>4350972
People really put a lot of effort into the maps, and you can tell there are some really great ideas wanting to get used. I think that the mappers who submitted maps might have benefitted from having done a few more maps in the past before jumping into a project like this. At least that's the impression I got from playing the alpha and the three other maps that got posted. They feel like very strong first time maps. A lot of phenomenal debut maps. The most important thing, of course, is that everyone had fun making their maps and trying out a new creative avenue, regardless of the quality of the project. It's all a really great experience.

>>4350972
I don't think anyone that has played them has been particularly impressed. I haven't played any yet, but that's what I hear from people that have. I will wait for an idgames upload to play them, as I do for all map releases.

>>4351164
Honestly that might not be such a bad idea, but I would caution against jumping to such a drastic action without consulting with repugnus and the map authors first. Though I think if the map authors are being realistic with themselves and can look at this objectively they'll see that maybe this isn't the level of quality they want permanently associated with their names. There's a reason most newbie mapping guides recommend holding off on releasing anything for the first two years when one starts mapping.

>>4351185
>There's a reason most newbie mapping guides recommend holding off on releasing anything for the first two years when one starts mapping.

That's the stupidest thing I have heard so far today.

>>4350972
I thought they were alright for what they are.

>>4351187
The reason is there are a lot of people on doomworld that will bring up authors older bad maps to discredit them when they post new ones.

>>4351187
seems pretty sound advice. Either that or change your name after a few years when you realize how bad your early maps were.

What's the autistic reasoning behind not updating mods for newer versions of source ports? Do port creators not know how to into legacy support or some shit?

>>4351132
>That's more of an insult.

Memfis, is that you?

>>4351196
>>4351206
I have two problems with that advice:

1. Mapping two years in isolation without any external input can go wrong in plenty of ways.

2. People trying to discredit you with your old work and the people who fall for that fallacy are not worth listening in the first place.

Okay, reaction is negative. I'm already trying to rebalance Hexenkessel, having removed some enemies and adjusted the pillars in the starting room since I found they restricted movement so much.

Anything else I should change or pay attention to?

I did rush it, but that was due to the time limit. I'm still impressed I managed to pull it off.

>>4351218
My advice of changing your name lets you win both ways - release your maps and get some really harsh feedback and 0 and 1 star reviews on idgames, then change your name after you're learned a bit and worked out how to actually make decent looking maps that play well.

Its good (in fact, vital) to have advice on your early maps but you can do it low key without making a big deal release or uploading to idgames

>>4351234
Wait, are you assuming that the first maps are 1994 or WOW.wad level of quality?

>>4351237
First maps are usually pretty bad. Getting good at anything takes a lot of time, 10,000 hours and all that
If the person is already a level designer or designer / architect there may be an exception, but usually first maps aren't worth releasing officially

>>4351243
That makes me feel weird then because my second to fourth maps were received generally well.

>>4351154
>I can feel the mapping fatigue in the maps
thanks for saying it. your post made me face reality. i'm suffering from this.

i generated a layout of islands i thought could work, but now when i open the editor, i just stare at it for a while, then go do something else while "waiting for inspiration", and never come back. i just don't feel like working on it. i'm not a designer, i prefer fixing things. i can manage one map every other year or so, and it's not been long enough since the last one.

oh well it can't be helped. i shall ask the manager to remove my map and forget it ever existed.

>>4349718
repugnus: please remove/forget map04 from the alpha. i'm not going to finish it. don't want to say never, but certainly not in the foreseeable future. i am sorry.

>>4349718
I would like to request Hexenkessel also not be added.

I will just tinker with it a bit and release it around Halloween myself.

Thanks and sorry to the other people who contributed!

>>4349297
Hadephobia. Entire concept was that each mapper made a map one at a time, with the next one continuing off where the last left of. I wouldn't call it amazing by any means, but it does have its share of good levels.

What's goin' on in this thread?
Everyone dropping out of VRyspooky? Shame.

Who all is left?

>>4351298
>The Swamp Map
>Sarais
>The Revenant Map
>The huge one

Anyone have any tips or general rules of thumb for map geometry and layout? I think I've come to the conclusion that I burn out on my maps often due to them feeling really flat and not all that interesting; it's disheartening.

>>4350761
is Brutal Doom even an actual mod anymore or just a testing ground for features?
because it feels like Mark is trying to cram too much shit, to make sure people don't play other mods (which is something a lot already do), even though different mods with their own stuff is better than one trying to have it all (specially when Mark is neither a good designer or a good coder)
>>4350964
>This is what he does with his Patreon money
there are fanmade sprites, who are simple monster edits from Realm667, that look better than this
also, isn't the helmet from a GMod/SFM model based on that Rage easter egg doomguy figure?

>>4351298
I'm jumping ship to ease Repugnus' workload a bit. I have the next two days and the entire weekend to improve Hexenkessel, but I do not want to keep spamming the thread with releases after releases, nor do I want to give the poor guy more work to do.

From the feedback posted so far I have to do the following:

>tone down orange texture usuage

I already replaced almost all water with the standard blue one. I will change some of the other textures to Gothic ones as well, but keep some orange ones where I think it'd fit.

I will still make a map with only orange textures, just you wait.

>encounter rebalancing

Probably going to be the biggest work. Particularly the valley. But I will see.

Anything else, or something I in particular you disliked?

>>4350840
I had the Sonic one when I was like 6, at the time I liked Sonic enough to not care for a few weeks but ultimately went back to the real games.

This is hardly what I wanted to wake up and see... I feel awful for not coordinating this better and not posting enough feedback. I'm probably just going to end up posting what I have at the moment here once I get home. I appreciate all the work that the mappers and graphics people put into this. I'll save the graphics made for this so they can be used next year if I decide to host another Halloween project.

>>4351456
Don't feel bad, it was bad timing what with 300mins right before. I would recommend next year to allot the whole of September to the mapping and use October purely for fixes & testing.

>>4351456
I'm still keen to play through what has been submitted so far. A bit of light-hearted spooky crazy /vr/ maps should be fun.

I haven't played any of them so far

>>4351456
Don't beat yourself up about it, mate.

I might provide some more textures next near, if you ant to.

>>4350761
I admire some of the effort put in for what it is, but holy shit Brutal Doom just seems so bloated at this point it's not even funny. While I suppose this is what happens if you stick to doing mostly a single mod for over seven years, SgtMark should really try doing some new kinds of mods but I guess there isn't too much incentive if you've struck gold already.

>>4351493
Yeah he makes $567 a month from his Patreon, no reason to stop the gravy train (I have zero idea what his financial situation is IRL but even if he still has to work elsewhere, that's a lot of fucking money for a Doom mod project)

>>4350671
just take it out of fullscreen

>>4349297
ALT, at least in the first part and the last levels, the middle part is quite disjointed
Legacy of Heroes

>>4350761
Wont watch the video, but what is Mark going to do about the PSX levels?

>>4351558
He said he had a special map script that adds secret exits into the regular doom2 maps, allowing the player to get to the PSX levels. His map scripts also add vehicles to some larger urban user-made maps.

The video is kind of interesting, even if you hate sgt mark.

>>4350668
bumping for this

Even if the map project falls apart, I don't consider this to be a waste of my time. In the last three weeks, I've learned more about how Doom works than in the last 20 years. I got to work with some great contributions, and I'm far more prepared for whatever the next project might be. And the fact that these threads have had real feedback instead of the usual kys faggot stonewalling shows that there are some places on 4chan where real group work can happen.

>>4351493
He makes talk about Brutal Heretic, Brutal Hexen, and an aliens mod on his twitter.

>>4351187
I agree with that.

>Hold off 2 years your mediocre custom maps for an ancient 1993 game so people on the internet can't discredit you 2 years in the future when you will be realizing supposedly good stuff

What happens if i have more than one source port in the same folder, even if i load a playthrough with ZDL?

>>4351701
DLL mismatches happen, meaning one port might work while another crashes on start up.

I did the same thing for years and was confused as to why it happened. Only a few years ago I started putting ports in their own folders.

how do i play a zandronum match with bots only?

>>4351456
It isn't entirely your fault, even if it mostly is. I think the quality of 4chan mappers is just not the same as mappers from other sites, and perhaps the ease of Doom mapping allows some people to pick up mapping who really shouldn't. I think if you keep at it and try hard you could probably get something into one of the doomworld group projects frequently going on. And if your mapping and group managing project skills don't improve, then just realize that maybe it wasn't meant to be and you should just find other fulfilling things in life instead of trying to do things you're terrible at.

>>4351480
The important thing to remember is that even if your map is utterly devoid of any redeeming qualities, just completely lacking quality in any way whatsoever and doesn't show any improvement in mapping skill from the start to the finish, that this doesn't define you as a person, and even though it wouldn't be recommended to continue mapping you could still do it if you want to, you'll just have to be persistent and keep in mind it will probably be a good four years before you're able to produce anything that meets the bare minimum level of quality the community expects nowadays.

>>4351628
I don't know if i could honestly say that real group projects happen on 4chan. The skill level of mappers here seems to be somewhat lacking and the 200 minutes and 300 minutes projects were both aggressively mediocre. The fact that the Halloween project fails to meet that bar is truly troubling, and doesn't portend well for future projects. That said, you're in charge of your own destiny and person so even if it flies in the face of objective facts easily discernable by all, if you didn't feel like you wasted your time and had fun, then you didn't waste your time.

^^^ who is this fucking windbag? is it sarais? i bet it's sarais

r&i

a secret is revealed!

>>4351795
It must be. See >>4351104
>The best map, by far, was map02, because it was the shortest map and over quickest.
No-one other than Sarais would say Sarais's map was "the best by far", even as a backhanded compliment.

>>4351812
Sure they would, its a great way to shit on everyone else's map while not even complimenting his.

MAKE EM SAY UHHHHH

NA NA NA NAAAAAAA

>>4351808
>>4351826
What game is this?

>>4351851
non-retro, my screenshot was a joke about doom >>4351808 and its payday 2
no idea why anon >>4351826 posted this tho, its half life 2 deathmatch

>>4351456
>I'm probably just going to end up posting what I have at the moment here once I get home.
Why bother? If people really really want to play extremely sub-par maps they can just manually download and play them, right? You're obviously stressed out and short on time too.

>>4351795
>>4351798
This is why I hesitated to post feedback, but I'm glad I did. The 4chan echo chamber could really do with some actual feedback rather than coddling if they want to bring the quality of their maps and projects up to "acceptable."

>>4351864
oh okay. i didn't get the joke because i couldn't figure out what was supposed to be the secret thing. but never mind.

>>4351881
If they want to bring the quality of their projects up then they'd just need to remove anything sarais related, really.

>>4351881
>If people really really want to play extremely sub-par maps
Not him, but I'm curious to know what you think is a map that is up to par. Please recommend me wads!

>>4351881
>some actual feedback

Still waiting for yours. Nothing you said so far would have helped any mapper.

>>4351907
well he helped me realise my map wasn't going anywhere and was better removed and probably shouldn't have been posted in the first place. so there's that.

>>4351864

HOODY HOOOOOOOOO

I always thought it was retro for being over 10 years old

>>4351924
retro is 1999 or earlier, read the rules

>>4351901
>Please recommend me wads!
Anything from the cacowards

>>4351915
I'm glad you came to your senses. I hope the other mappers and project leaders here do as well.

Played Chocolate Doom today. Fuck, I don't remember Doom looking this crappy back in 1995.

>>4351928
So in like 2030s would "Retro" still mean 1999 and below?
Then what would be 2000-2009 and 2010-2019 be called?

Why doesn't anyone talk about Descent?

When people talk about Retro FPS they think Wolfenstein, Doom, Heretic, Rise of the Triad, Duke Nukem 3D but never talk about Descent and Descent 2. Both are nothing short of fantastic.

>>4351942
who knows? i don't make the rules.

>>4351928

my bad

>>4351942
>So in like 2030s would "Retro" still mean 1999 and below?
By /vr/'s standards, hopefully yes.
>Then what would be 2000-2009 and 2010-2019 be called?
I don't know but the people who care about those decades can figure that out themselves.

>>4351943
Because huaaargh

>>4351943
I don't know, Jibwib Simmerstim, Esq.

>>4351943
Here's your Descent discussion, right through this door.

>>4351942
The rules will change accordingly, and this has happened before. Dreamcast wasn't welcome in /vr/ until the PS4 gen released.
>>4351963
Prepare to be disappointed.

>>4352002
Dreamcast was allowed because it was released before 1999. It was considered good from the start, and then mods banned it when people asked them about it, and THEN later mods unbanned it.
I wasn't a fan of them even allowing the Dreamcast because I thought it would open the floodgates and bring in all of 6th Gen and 7th Gen eventually, but things have fortunately stabilized after that. I don't want shit like Halo to become acceptable on /vr/.
https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/394065942/
I mean you don't want these people to become part of the board's community, do you?

>>4351998
Guessing that's chaingunner equivlanent?

>>4351770
>>4351780
>>4351791
These sound more like underhanded insults paired with encouragement so that he can claim it is "feedback".

When do I
REKKR ?

>>4351963
>>4351942
>So in like 2030s would "Retro" still mean 1999 and below?
Yes.
>Then what would be 2000-2009 and 2010-2019 be called?
"Old shit" and "not so old shit"

>>4352010

Class 1 Driller. It has a terrifying screech and a hitscan weapon.

>>4352029
friendly reminder that Crysis is 10 years old

>>4352025
when it's done hopefully, the last thing i want is for him to rush it out for some arbitrary deadline

>>4352030
so a flying revenant w/ chaingun

>>4351943
it's decent.

>>4352032
I forgot what the deal with Nvidia at the time, but that game killed my 8800GT. The fan speed was capped at like 30% on release and they didn't update their drivers until like a week after the card came out.

It was the only time I've ever bought a piece of tech when it was current gen or whatever. :(

This guy >>4352032

I actually would not mind a dedicated GBA containment thread somewhere on the board. Mostly because games on it were for the major part technicaly and mechanically similar to SNES games.

Also dedicated Indie board wouldve been nice, but I know it won't happen.

>>4352056
/vg/ serves that exact purpose

>>4352054
in my case it was a bit different, had nvidia 7600gs and it ran the game at native resolution with everything set to low at a good framerate of mostly 60fps, but it was original assassins creed that burned that gpu

>>4352056
GBA honestly isn't a problem in my eyes (I don't think it's fitting but I don't think it would hurt the board the way other consoles would) but I think adding anything else to the whitelist really would trigger the floodgates. People already shout "you whitelisted a console once three years ago, do it again!" so a more recent whitelist, especially of a console that breaks /vr/'s original "before 1999" rule, would create far too much strife.

>>4350761
i see mark has already embraced the rule of dev patreons--keep on cramming in stuff so it's never finished and keeps the $$$ train going

>>4352012
Just because you can't handle honesty doesn't mean its not true.

>>4352058
GBA thread was happening there for like 3 days and whenever it tried to get afloat it got immediately knocked down from there before it could reach even 200 posts. People just stopped bother after a few weeks.

Indie has a thread but its a godawful mishmash and the only stable discussion possible is of the recent releases - anyhting else can't hold attention. It'll need separate board to allow proper discussion.

>>4351943

Not much to say.
It's fun.

>>4351932
So you have nothing actual to say, got it.

>>4350680
This isn't the worst first map I have ever seen. It seems like with a couple more practice maps you might get the hang of it. Have you played many Doom pwads before?

>>4352071
Whatever Sarais, nobody takes your thinly veiled insults seriously anyways.

>>4350972
If I'm being honest they came very close to approaching adequate.

>>4352010
imagine a chaingunner that was perfectly accurate, had no startup, couldn't be pained, and was almost always placed directly behind doors so they could shoot you before you had any chance to react

that's a descent driller

I want to tackle the outside area now. But I'm not sure how to go about it. Maybe the textures should be more homogeneous? I thought it would dreadfully samey then.

>>4352098
I'm not sarais but apparently the halloween project people are taking my criticism to heart and ending the project, which if we're all being reasonable is probably the best outcome.

>>4352007
You're denying the passage of time itself, then, anon. Don't be stupid.

>>4352118
I'm not sure what your argument is here. Are you saying we should allow things just because time has passed? I think it's better to be selective to try and retain a higher quality of discussion.
Mods are deleting posts though so I'll try not to continue the conversation.

>>4351471
>I'm still keen to play through what has been submitted so far.
Why on earth would you do that? Haven't you heard the consensus feedback from pretty much everyone that they're not worth your time?

>>4352117
I'm still gonna release my map.

And if you wrote this:

>>4351780

For supposed encouragement it's loaded with destructive statements. And what little positivity here is, is immediately knocked down by another negative statement.

>>4352124
>Consensus feedback

How can you be sure that wasn't just the same guy over and over?

The sad part about this project was not only the lack of maps, but also that no one seemed willing to provide much feedback at all. I'm guilty of this too. Community projects are not just limited to making maps, even if you don't you can still contribute by giving suggestions.

>>4352125
Well at least nobody can say you're easily discouraged. I hope you enjoy your time spent mapping so that some good comes out of it.

>>4351943
Descent 1 and 2 on Insane difficulty are probably the hardest first person shooters ever made, at least for single segment deathless runs. And even if you accept your deaths (the game has extra life system that lets you respawn after dying a finite number of times), you can still get stuck in unwinnable scenarios if you lose your weapons in heavily guarded area. Nobody has ever managed to get through a full game deathless without saves and the only person who got through all of D1, D2 and Vertigo individual levels on cold start (plus a bunch of fanmade ones) was some Slovakian that procastinated for two years straight to accomplish that.
To give you an idea how absurd this game is on Insane in comparison to Doom:
>100 starting health and 200 maximum, but health refills are so rare and so weak that you'll rarely have more than 100 extra per level and sometimes almost nothing; at least you're refilled back to 100 before each level; in Doom you get up to 400 maximum (Health+Armor) and plenty of refills
>common enemies have much higher firepower than Doom 2 ones; Medium Hulk is the second most common enemy and can deal up to 135 damage per second
>enemy attacks have much easier time connecting to the player: Vulcan Driller (Descent 1's resident hitscanner) is 100% accurate while having the same firepower as Doom's Chaingunner, Red Hulks have homing missiles with extremely tight radius that can't be dodged in open space without a perfect trichord (Descent's 3D equivalent of straferunning, kinda like SR50), projectiles are generally much faster than your ship unlike Doom where you can outrun almost everything
>enemies have little to no windup for their attacks, like Doom's monsters with Fast setting
>most areas are too claustophobic to pull any sort of fancy maneuvers, so dodging even non-hitscan non-homing shots is extremely hard and requires foreknowledge of enemy position and movement at best or is completely impossible at worst
cont.

>>4352130
All the writing styles were different, its super obvious dude. Don't shoot the messengers.

>>4350712
Glad you liked it.
>>4352096
It's my first "vanilla" map. I've made a couple zdoom maps before. And yes, I have played pwads. Not sure how many pwads is "many", though, heheh.

>>4352151
Generally you should play all of the classic pwad megawads like AV and HR before trying to make a map. Keep at it and don't let the quality of the maps you're producing now get you discouraged.

>>4352138
I'd argue that doesn't proof a lot on an anonymous imageboard. All you can give is a benefit of doubt.

>>4352117
It's hardly you specifically, the project had a lot of trouble getting up and going, probably because of the burnout people had from last time.
A CP in Doom is a dime a dozen, and out of every 100, only 1 succeeds.

>>4352164
>CP in Doom
This is a very unfortunate acronym.

>>4352164
>CP in Doom

>>4351938
You sound like you're just here to cause trouble and prevent content in all honesty. I mean, you've got a point about the halloween project but acting like nothing good ever comes out of this place is pure bullshit.

>>4352167
>>4352168
I wouldn't mind Captain Planet in Doom.

>>4352164
i'd argue higher, out of every 10000 projects, only 1 succeeds
and out of every 1000 releases, only 1 is noticable
and this is partially because of the sheer amount of people available

/vr/ simply isn't big enough to mirror DW's enthusiasm for CP

>>4351943
>>4352136
>some enemies on levels are set to roaming AI - the longer you take your time to move around the level, the closer you get to them and the more ruckus you cause, the higher the chance they'll move out of their default position and start patrolling, or even just rush your position outright - if such an enemy has missiles or strong hitscan attack you're essentially at mercy of RNG that he'll either not start roaming before you close in on his position or you guess correctly where and when he'll attack you, because getting blindsided and sometimes even just bumrushed by these guys is at least half of your HP gone
>none of your weapons except rare nuke missiles and some primaries are strong enough to take down multiple enemies at once, and only when they're very close to each other
Literally nobody bothers to get good at those games because they're so absurdly difficult that getting through them alive is entirely down to very rare instances of great behavior RNG where enemies are merciful enough not to fuck you over at any of many points they could. I guess you could settle for Ace difficulty which isn't quite as bullshit and won't erode your sanity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLb-dNE1fb4 - said Slovakian's greatest achievement.

>>4351456
Don't worry about it dude; It's still a success; you got 4 or so maps. I'll deliberate making another map for you if desired; even though it won't be all that great.

>>4352167
>doomguy keeps it as a reminder of innocence lost

>>4352124
>Why on earth would you do that?
Maybe he'd rather formulate his own opinion?

>>4352161
well since HE DOES IT FOR FREE is deleting posts I guess the jig is up. I can't believe people are taking me seriously just because I'm not loudly shitposting. I'll have to remember this. I'm every reply to >>4350972
except the first and also every post like >>4351770
>>4351871
>>4352096
The only maps I played are sarais's because I wanted to belittle it and that one with the coffin portal but I iddqd and idkfa'd halfway through the map. I didn't play any others or that guy that posted his vanilla map. And I managed to get the whole dumb project canceled. LOL
Even if they uncancel it the enthusiasm is gone and the damage is done

>Kriegsland now has a separate enemy pack!
Neat!
>load up with mapset
>play through
>everyone is fucking black or brown
>can't make out the enemies from the mapset

>>4352201
Fuck you to death, Nambona.

>>4352201
>And I managed to get the whole dumb project canceled. LOL
You're giving yourself too much credit, there was nothing going into it in the first place.

>>4352120
Same, but the fact is things do end up changing over time. Selectivity's nice, but it never really lasts, and it's idiotic to think it ever does. Even now /vr/'s quality has declined considerably since the board opened. It's just how it is.

Last word on the matter.

>>4352201
>wheel is rolling to a stop
>it stops
>I DID IT GUYS I STOPPED THE WHEEL

>>4352201
scroton why would you do this

Hay guise what's going on in this thread can't wait to play the new halloween ma-

oh lawd.

>>4352120
>we should allow time-based definitions to account for the passage of time
Either that or change the board's name to /p6v/ - Pre 6th Gen Video Games. Calling this board "retro" was a mistake, and the shitposting about it will only get worse as time goes by.

>>4352228
Then we should just report and ignore the shitposters.

>>4351456
I don't think you should discontinue the project, especially after this incident.

>>4352231
i'd already decided not to finish my map. forcing creativity never works. if it doesn't happen naturally ("write itself"), the end result will be rubbish.

>>4352231

As much as he would love to take credit for "killing" the project, it wasn't exactly going on beforehand.
>>4352164 is right, /vr/ isn't big enough to push out another community-wide project, especially so soon after the last one.

>>4351998
Before Metal Slug, Dark Souls and Cuphead there was Descent.

>>4352220
Because I'm a huge faggot

>>4352242
>UAHE

What the fuck kind of laugh is this

>>4352251
BR laughter

>>4352242
If we are talking about Descent, what about Forsaken?

>>4352113
Texture variety is necessary but, there needs to be some continuity, you could keep that lower area in the south mostly grey and the slightly higher raised pathway could be another singular texture

>>4352257
No that's huehue.

>>4352269
Thanks, will do.

United Aerospace Holdings Enterprise

>>4352295
This reads as "Wahee"

>>4352242
how do people even find cuphead hard

>>4352310
Maybe, because of DS memes, they just think it has to be.

>>4352310
Some suck at Contra and similar games.
I'm just terrible at those kinds of fast sidescrollers with all those projectiles. I don't make a deal out of it, I just won't play it and I just won't complain. I'm better at FPS.

>>4352310
most people haven't had the continuous exposure to games that pose many challenges outside of casual mobile games with bullshit hit detection systems and tracking, so a game with this type of mobility and freedom poses a very hard challenge.

doesn't help that the game, centered around boss battles as it is, demands constant attention and precise timing.

>>4352220
Because I'm a humongous faggot

what did i miss?
> nothing noteworthy
give me the short version anyway

>>4352352
missed the chance for a 'humongous scrotum' gag

>>4352352
do you like making everyone hate you or something? i really don't get it, you were cool in 300minvr.

>>4352360
>>4352365
i can guarantee you it's not actually him

>>4352369
I'm aware
just playing a shitty testicle joke

>>4352359
debate over what retro means and what others think it should mean got deleted because of new metaposting >>>/qa/ rule.

>>4352369
fine whatever

Slowly plugging away at this dumb brawler mod, just overhauled combo mechanics and I'm pretty happy with the changes. "Combo Points" are now awarded by punching enemies (but only sometimes, because A_CheckLOF is either buggy or I'm using it inproperly), rather than doing 'special' punches. With two combo points or more, your punches become very fast and your kicks become jumpkicks, but combo points are reset when you enter the 'ready' state of your fists. However, you can easily circumvent this by chaining attacks together (the charging period of the charge punch can be used to elongate a combo heavily as there's no limit to how long you can charge it). Pressing your zoom key during a combo lets you get rid of all your combo points to perform a special attack, the kind of which depends on the amount of points you have. Right now there's just one, a very basic recreation of the "Yes Man Kablaam" from God Hand, which in this case just gives you 5 combo points if you actually hit an enemy with it. It only costs 1 point, so this makes it great for starting combos. Sorry for the wall of text.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYl3ex0n_Tw

>>4352343
I love Blood, I just think I'm not suited to dodging in sidescrolling.

Finally fucking beat Shores of Hell.
Halls of the damned was a real motherfucker. I had a harder time with that than I had with the final stage.

>>4352413

More melee mods are always welcome.

>>4352426
what level, nightmare???

>>4352435
I'm not that good yet. Played it on Ultra-Violence.
Once I finish Doom II I was considering replaying both games on Nightmare.

>>4352430
Thanks, do you (or anyone else in this thread) have any ideas for special attacks and the amounts of combo points they should require? I don't want to COMPLETELY rip off God Hand's moves, so some inspiration from you guys could be awesome!

>>4350761

>two years since 0.l first appeared
>still
>not
>fixed

>>4352462
>This is what people consider to be the best Doom mod ever

>>4352449
Is that your first time through?
Are you going to play episode 4?

>>4352449
dude don't forget to go on level 4, is rich.

also is fine bro, in last days I replayed Final And Ultimate Doom just for fun, man nightmare is sometimes insane, but is a hell of fun.

I want to try multiplayer, but I'm in Dragon Age Origins right now...

>>4348889
So slightly worse in almost every way but with metal and gore to appeal to tween boys?

>>4350761
some fun looking stuff in there, i'll probably mess with it until i get bored.

>>4352509
... captain j?

>>4352525
>replace chat notification sound with downsampled FUCK URSELF
>make DeHacked patch that makes all blood actors drop that small blood pool actor
>weapons behave like normal but they have palletted down and off colored Brutal reskins
We have a winner!

>>4352541
not at all, more like Modding DAO, fucking A.

>>4352486
Yes, and I won't forget to play episode 4. I was actually surprised that Inferno was the last chapter, since I opened the game with four chapters. I'm going for a franchise run, so I won't miss anything official.

>>4352551
Get the Xbox-exclusive episode of Doom 2, too. I liked that one a lot, especially the final boss.

>>4352558
Didn't even know Doom 2 made it to xbox. I'll take a look.

>>4352558
nrftl had a final boss?

>>4352563
The wad has since been extracted and is playable on your source port of choice.
Doom 3 on Xbox came with ports of the first 2 games, Doom 1 had some extra secret levels, but I'm not sure if those are playable on PC. Doom 2 had a whole episode that was also included in the 360 release.

>>4352571
It was just a Cyberdemon, but it fit well with the map it was played on. I thought it was pretty intense and anything is better when compared to the Icon of Sin.

>>4352578
>It was just a Cyberdemon, but it fit well with the map it was played on. I thought it was pretty intense and anything is better when compared to the Icon of Sin.
oh i see. yes, i agree with that.

There needs to be an updated version of Aliens TC(maybe call it Aliens TC Ultimate or something) with less glitches, more diverse set of enemies(add something like Weyland bishop synthetics, chestbursters, and maybe a couple things from Prometheus), some more graphics edits, and add in exclusive cutscenes.
Man, I'D LOVE to play a Wad like that.

>>4352589
>Prometheus or Covenant
>Ever.

Dude, just use the Kenner/Darkhorse stuff. Fuck proMETHius.

>>4352598
There is more to the Alien Franchise than the Xenomorphs themselves. How about the Space Jockeys and the trilobite parasite as well at least?

>>4352550
?

>>4352413
>"Combo Points" are now awarded by punching enemies (but only sometimes, because A_CheckLOF is either buggy or I'm using it inproperly),


Why use A_CheckLOF?
Since it's a melee mod, you already know the player can only be within x units of whatever it's attacking in order to connect. You could use A_RadiusGive with RGF_PLAYERS & RGF_NOSIGHT instead. ...Unless you're looking for multiplayer compat.

>>4352663
...Because I'm a moron and I'm very new to doom modding. Multiplayer compat would be nice but I'm developing on GZDOOM, so maybe I should use that method, thanks.

>>4352686
>I'm very new to doom modding

Definitely bookmark the ZDoom Wiki, if you haven't already. It is supremely helpful, to newbies and experienced modders alike.

https://zdoom.org/wiki/Main_Page

>>4352709
I already read the wiki a lot, but thanks. There's plenty of functions I miss. I mean, I'm probably going to keep the current method for hopes of making a multiplayer compatible version in the future. Thanks a lot, though.

>>4351630
Are those projects going somewhere?

>>4352723
Speaking of that, though, I'm starting to get second thoughts about this brawling mod but I still want to make it, I just don't know how to make the combat interesting or fun with my DECORATE knowledge and lack of any ACS knowledge. I love melee based mods, though, plus I kind of "ended" development on my last mod, Downsize, when it was only about 75% complete. I'm still planning to continue developing that, but it's gotten little reception so I'm worried that maybe there's no point. Sorry for this dumb rant, I'm just not sure if anyone's actually interested in my silly mod ideas.

>>4352025
>>4352035
Maybe Christmas if luck prevails.

>>4352728
>but it's gotten little reception so I'm worried that maybe there's no point
If your motivation is other people you'll never finish a mod. Either make the thing because you want to play it, or don't make it.

t. Modder

>>4352746
Alright, thanks for the inspiration. I'll get this damn mod done, then, because I think there needs to be more melee mods out there, no matter how little people care about this one. Thank you.

Did you know that doomguy's a virgin?

>>4352578
>>4352582
This gives me an idea for an end map, kinda like a d-day assault or shadow of the colossus.

You have to pass 4 gates, kinda charging up a mountain with a winding path. Each gate has a cyber in front of it, pretty much have to kill it to reach the switch behind it to open the gate. Meanwhile the Icon is tossing monsters either all over the map or up to the top area at least (it can actually fill up, then the spawn cubes start ?telefragging? monsters in those spots)

However two of the spawn spots for the cubes are down on the path up the way, giving small courtyards of combat that allow you to be easily flanked by the Cybers up on higher levels of the mountain.
> who have no problem maintaining a line of fire on your ass as you're winding up the path
> the scenery stalagtites, trees, and minor level geometry get in your way and can also make it easy for rockets to impact early before hitting the ground
> nevermind that there isnt much cover on the ground level in terms of level geometry to protect you against the archviles that did spawn down on the path.

Then as you go up the winding path if you managed to actually skip a cyber, its either allowed to get out of its pen and teleport after you, or the ledges to the lower levels of the mountain split and lower a little (kinda like a landslide) allowing them to be able to get a clear shot at you even up the mountain.
> though I like the idea of them being allowed to leave their pen and they then teleport in front of you, so you have to deal with Moar Cyber at the same time because you turned into a smartass and thought you could sneak around them. Or got skeered and turned on godmode just to skip past one.

>>4352751
The important thing is that you're making what YOU want to play. Everyone else is just enjoying it and maybe giving you ideas, but first and foremost the mod should be fun for YOU to play. Only you can make something that's perfectly made to what you want, which is why you should make it.

>>4352757
Well that shuts down the demon buttfucking debate. You fucking know that's what Carmack was shutting down, too.
Carmack doesn't have a lot of imagination outside of how to push a certain limit. Romero was his ideas guy, and when he dumped him you could really see that.

Doomguy's a canon virgin because in Carmack's mind, Doomguy was born in a hangar with a pistol in his hand. His eyes opened for the first time hearing the iconic Doom guitar riff. Everything else is just filler he doesn't care about.

>>4352757
he's supposed to be the player, so that's a given

>>4352757
>had THIS as his instructor
>doesn't even know what sex is
Jesus Christ, Doomguy.

>>4352762
Sounds like a nonlinear version of Doom 4's final boss almost.

>>4352743
heh i saw his (your?) post earlier but didn't think it was my place to repeat it here

>>4352778
see >>4352771
Carmack doesn't give a single shit about lore and just didn't want to talk about it.
I'd even call it asexual autism, but he's got an Asian wife and two kids. He just doesn't want people to see Doom as a sexual game of any kind.

>>4352757
Even Commander Keen got more pussy than Doomguy.

>>4352791
Now what about ranger?

>>4352795
as pure as can be while having wife and kids

>>4352757
>>4352771
>>4352778
> mfw doomguy is a 30yo sexless virgin
> mfw anna kang is crash

>>4352794
>>4352795
> mfw doomguy being a virgin protects him from demonic possession and they can only turn him undead after they kill him

>>4352805
>doomguy being a virgin protects him from demonic possession

Holy shit.

>>4352757

>>4352795
As of Q:C canonically has a wife and kids who he hasn't seen in over twenty years and the memories of them- the few he has left- are the only things keeping him sane.

Which is a perfectly fine character backstory rework, in my opinion.

>>4352809
yeah otherwise a single hit by any Lost Soul or Baron Fireball is an instakill and he turns into a zombie because it possesses him

Did you know that they couldn't program bots for Quake 3 until quite late in the development when they just said fuck it and hired the guy who made the Gladiator bot for Quake II.

The character Xaero is a reference to that, since Zero was the strongest bot in Gladiator. Quake 3 Xaero's accuracy and reaction speed are set very close to the bot's limit, making him a ridiculous challenge on Nightmare, since his arena is mostly an open environment and he picks up the railgun immediately, potentially killing you instantly if you don't keep on bunny hopping.

>>4352840
I never knew Xaero was Zero, and I feel like I should've gathered that.

>>4352816
>The opposition is crushed and the
>signal sent.
>Billions of lives were saved today,
>by your hand.

>But something else was awoken.
>Your family and friends have become a
>disintegrating memory, unreal to
>your actuality.

>And there is only wanton slaughter to
>take their place.

>And there is only one foe that
>you can take vengeance upon for
>the loss of your humanity.

>You set the Slipgate to a
>random destination.

>>4352840
I know that everyone finds Xaero a fucking cunt to fight against in Nightmare skill, but have you heard about those two legends in Team Arena? Khan and Ursula is literally two fucking bitches programmed to lock their aim on you with any gun no matter the distance until they can't see your hitbox anymore.

>>4352865
> best thicc chaingun

>>4352864
>aaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

>>4352865
I remember when I was a teen and my homo internet was shit I'd just edit Xaero's bot files to crank up his accuracy and reaction time to absolute max and "practice" like that with him. The young and retarded me didn't realize that movement and resource management is more important against human players than the ridiculous twitch skills.

>>4352884
> YOU DON'T NEE GOOD GAME SENSE WHEN YOU HAVE GOOD AIM

>>4352812

>>4352884
Yeah especially against me, because ill run off and in order to get the frag or complete the kill you'll have to chase me before I eat your soulsphere/megahealth.
> and in zealously doing so you will run into a corridor with bouncing grenades in it or youll eat a SSG blast to the face as you pass me by, because id hide just long enough for it
> or ill camp you going for some item, but only once though

>>4352908
Back in the day when we used to hold LAN parties "campers" were despised, you'd never be invited again if camping was your main technique.

But now, judging by all the QL tourney demos that's the only way everyone is playing. Just an endless cat and mouse chase.

>>4352925
Its not, its just an opportunity thing. True snipers wont camp for more than a couple shots even IRL because of the obvious reasons.

My primary technique is pretty nasty, I wait until two other people are fighting then I lob rockets at them and kill one or the other, then I finish off the one who's left because they're usually weakened. The BFG is also employed in such cases.
> speaking mainly of Q2 here, and by rockets I mean hand grenades I can use almost like depth charges by cooking them. Even if I miss you WILL still take damage since it will airburst near you.

>>4352789
Just a little bit every day...

>>4352864
where is this from?

>>4351939
I do actually like playing DOOM in DOSBox, but I recently started playing ZDoom at 640x400 on a CRT which doesn't really sacrifice anything about the original look, but allows you to actually see details and appreciate the art a little better. Smooth as shit framerate really helps too.

>>4352864
Wait is this implying that Ranger becomes Quake?

>>4352960
Rubicon Rumble Pack ending text.

>>4352972
what's that?
sorry I must be spoon-fed like the Bab I am

>>4352967
My main problem with zdoom is the color. The demons, for example, are pink all the time, and that wasn't the case with DOS doom, where the distance lighting would make them the fleshy brown color that Adrian actually wanted if I have my doom trivia right. They'd only turn pink up close.

>>4352980
One of the best map packs ever made for Quake:
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/rrp.html

is there any way to align the view again to be centered inside the box? it looks too off just trying to hide the game with HUD shit

>>4352983
Is that fixed in GZDoom or QZDoom? I tried both and even with all of the extra shit turned off, something looked off about the way things looked, particularly enemies, so I went back to ZDoom

>>4352989
No idea. Pointless as it is thanks to DOSbox, I use Chocolate Doom unless the wad demands Z and GZDoom features.

>>4352986
> not MMMEEEEEEEEEEEDIIIIIIIIIIIIC
MEeeEM

>>4352985
fucking thank you dude. now I got something to look forward to playing when I finally get my computer back.

>>4348815
hl is fun

>>4352992
Are there any source ports like Chocolate Doom that aim to be vanilla as fuck right down to the menus, but allow for higher resolution and uncapped framerate? I thought PRBoom was supposed to do this but it's just a mes

>>4353001
Keeping it Doom related, one of Gaben's first jobs at Microsoft was porting Doom to Windows 95. Gaben saw Doom as the future of video games, and saw Super Mario 64 as an argument supporting games as an art form.

>>4353005
I'd also like to know.