/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4354241
Pinball games tend to be surreal.

I don't think I ever got past level 2.

I don't think anyone ever got past level 2.

>>4354464
Nah. My mom got this for me when I was a kid. I was pretty disappointed at first when I realized it was a pinball game but damn I ended up loving it and destroyed it in a few weeks.

I might be one of few that actually honestly like it though.

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>>4354464
Level 1 and 2 were easy. Level 3 is where the bullshit started.

>>4354521
not nightmarish at all. this is fine

>>4354241
what do you mean. Its the best sonic game. Darkest vibe, epic music, brutal, coolest sounds and animations.

>>4354620


those flashing skeleton animations in the stage 3 boss spooked me shitless

not as bad as ghosts in sonic & nuggies but still pretty bad

>played this game on and off for two decades
>still haven't beaten the launch base level

It was based off the American canon, which was darker and edgier.

I couldn't bat the last level I think. Robotnik was too high up.

Is it actually good as a pinball game?
I remember playing the PC version back in the day and not liking it, and I usually like pinball vidya.
Should I play the original MD version and give it another chance?

my point is that this game is creepy and everything about it has a sinister tone. perhaps it's so fluent and fun to play that your brain shuts off that realization, why does he sonic make that horrible sound when he dies? this is not a normal sonic game

i mean wtf is that shit. there's a reason sega would rather forget this one

>>4355096
it actually is very fun to clear paths and fuck bitches in this game, the gameplay has it's own thing as a hybrid pinball platformer

>>4355096
It's pretty good but batshit hard

>>4355292
You can think as the western interpretation of sonic. The fan version of sonic.

>>4355096
The main difference from a normal pinball is that you can control the momentum of the ball in midair and there are lots of "mini-tables" to explore, once you find 3 emeralds in those you unlock a boss table.

>>4354241
It's what happens when you let Americans do Sonic. It's literally the Sonic Boom of the 90's but without the pisstake cartoon to justify it's existence.

>inb4 Sonic Mania was American
The lead guy was Aussie, if it was a full Yank game it'd suck like all Yankee Sonic does.
>inb5 Sonic 2 was American
It was made by homesick Japs.

>>4355304
IIRC it's actually based around the cartoons.

>>4355460
Curious how the "original" vision of Sonic always underperformed in Japan compared to America. The Japanese vision of Sonic was just Mickey Mouse that goes fast, while the American was all about that 90s attitude. This just makes me think, maybe that troll who said Sonic was a product of marketing was right.

>>4354241
Too much slow down.
But thanks to technology now we-I FUCKING LOVE EMULATION

>>4354241
Nothing. It was a great little game. It's only problem was retailing at $50 instead of $30 or so.

>>4354464
I could beat it and get the multi ball minigame on every level when I was 12.

>>4355294
This game was cheesy/hammy and creepy/surreal at the same time. Honestly, I think it got a GREAT art direction.

>>4355478
Cool, wouldn't that make the game even harder?

>>4355542
the game is piss easy since you can control Sonic mid air. There are only 2 ways you can really die: miss the barrel in Toxic Caves, and holding a direction while falling onto the catapult rocks in Showdown (if you do that, they don't shoot you up properly and you might fall back in).

>>4355546
>piss easy
Heartly disagree, lol.

>>4354241
Nothing's wrong with it. Get good.

>>4355569
He isn't talking about the difficulty, he is talking about the subject matter in the game. It is a pretty dark game.

>>4355542
Probably.
But look how smooth it is!

I never beat it as a kid. I did beat it as an adult though, after some tries and memorization of the levels. Since its pinball you will die a lot. Feels good.

>>4355574
Sonic games has always been dark. An evil doctor roboticizing forest creatures, a dark soundtrack being used in Sonic CD, to the point of creepiness, the end boss theme for Sonic 3 going all dark. Even Sonic 2 had a creepy level, I think it was called Mystic Ruins? Sonic Adventure 1 & 2 had some creepy dark moments as well.

>>4355594
>a dark soundtrack being used in Sonic CD
Only the American version, the Japanese was preppy as fuck.

>>4355597
>peppy
Fixed.

>>4355597
The Japanese soundtrack was horrible. It was too "happy".

>>4355614
Oh god you really suck.

>>4355617
False. I speak the truth. You just have bad taste.

>>4355096
I dont think it is a good pinball game. I don'T know because I am not into 'pinball' as a genre, but I love sonic spinball and Devils Crush. I think they are the best pinball games. But I am a jump n run and shooter gamer, so you have to think different.
It's pinball for people who like games except pinball :D

>>4355292
because its the best sonic game. I love the dark tone. Would been so great if they had it in all sonic games. They tried with metal sonic, but man, they tried to copy Mario so much with his stupid fun vibes. Sonic a fucking spiked mutant, sonic should always been darker. Zool too...

As a pinball game, it has weak hitbox detection and wonky physics. As a platformer, Sonic feels really off compared to the other 2d games. As an overall game, it suffers from a disgusting amount of slowdown and a gnarly difficulty curve where you rarely die, but often get stuck knowing exactly what you need to do but simply keep failing at it (the last two levels take so much patience, especially that final boss fight.)

But tables are ridiculously complicated and interesting in a good way, and being able to control ball trajectory in midair makes for some really fun gameplay that makes you feel like you're pulling off skill shots the entire time you're playing. Seriously; using the right flipper to launch Sonic straight upwards, curving him to the right behind the flipper to hit a target, bouncing off the target into an enemy and finding a new area to explore? it never stops feeling cool.

This is also my favorite Sonic game for look and sound. The sprite work and background design is fantastic, and the overall sound motif catches that '90s industrial/hip-hop/metal aesthetic that's so hard to not make sound overly cheesy.

I love this rushed piece of shit game, even with all it's shortcomings.

>>4355971
What's with saying everything lately has bad hit detection? Is this a new buzzword for when you can't come up with legit criticizing?

>>4355972
It is. If it doesn't play like Mario, it sucks.

>>4354241
are you fucking twelve?

>>4355972
Hitboxes on older games tended to be straight-up squares and compared to modern games it is very noticable.

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>>4356002
The hit boxes in this game are awful. You'll fly right through something you're sure you hit and then bounce off thin air as you *hit* an object you passed by. It's especially frustrating to keep catching the edge of platforms when you're trying to move past them.

>>4356184
Never had any problems. Pretty sure it's just you.

>>4354464
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>>4355584
I beat this in sixth grade, I don't remember anything overly difficult. It was mostly about knowing the critical interaction points, and you got pretty liberal control of Sonic. I liked how it was both wacky and gritty/dark.

>>4354464
I beat this game on the console without any save states when I was a kid. But only once I think, the final boss is really bullshit, he doesn't kill you but throws you all the down to the start of the level and you have to spend forever getting all the way back if you fuck up even slightly.

>>4357405
The most frustrating part is that the actual mechanics of what you need to do for that boss fight are so simple. Just shoot the huge button in the very center until the traps are cleared, then shoot through a wide opening on either side of the table, and hit the boss 10 times without falling out. But even the slightest error sends you blasting down 2~8 tables deep depending on how bad you are at aiming Sonic as he falls. It's fucking rough. Especially when you spend 5 minutes climbing back up and immediately fumble back down the drain or out a side window on the first shot.

I literally enjoy every part of every level in the entire game up until I enter that rocket ship for the first time.

I really wish it had more content. Or that there were more games like it. Metroid Prime: Pinball comes to mind, but that's about it.

>>4355617
I personally think each soundtrack had its shiners and stinkers. For example, Collision Chaos in the US version was sn amazing ambient post-rock theme that really fit the mood for a second stage. But then there's JP version of Tidal Tempest that blows the US version out of the water.

>>4355294
>Sonic actually plays the machine and you can see him click the bumpers

>>4355460
>without the pisstake cartoon to justify it's existence
>underage has no idea what he's talking about

>>4358548
are you referring to SatAM? It's barely mentioned in Spinball outside of the character cameo in the bonus game.

>>4355617
He's right. The game was supposed to be dark with the time travel mechanic. The slant version was way too happy to convey it.

>>4355659

Sorry Anon, not everyone sucks Spencer Nilsen's cock. The Jap soundtrack was better in every respect.

>>4358552
>barely mentioned
Those cameos are what show that it's based off the cartoons, jackass.
>>4358557
>shit taste the post

>>4358556

I don't think we've played the same series of videogames. Where the hell is all this "ooooooo, so grimdark!" shit coming from?

>>4358559

Ditto.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZjPCWXzvSM

>>4355952
>I think they are the best pinball games.

You haven't played many pinball games then. Try Pinball Fantasies (Amiga), Super Pinball (SNES), and Digital Pinball Necronomicon (Saturn). Pro Pinball series on PC is also a good contender.

I also remember liking Psycho Pinball on PC/Amiga but I don't particularly remember why.

>>4358559
I don't know, man, seems pretty obvious to me the game had nothing to do with SatAM and they just shoved in that cameo in the last second.

>>4358564
I never said anything about grimdark.
>>4358575
That's because you're a dumbass. It's loosely based off of it, sure, but that's like claiming Mean Bean Machine had SatAM characters shoved in at the last second.

>>4358586
Scratch and Grounder from Mean Bean Machine were Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog cameos, not SatAM characters.
http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Adventures_of_Sonic_the_Hedgehog

>>4358573
>I also remember liking Psycho Pinball on PC/Amiga but I don't particularly remember why.

Well looking at it now, it's probably because I last played it in 1995, and it was pretty good at the time. Almost on par with Pinball Fantasies/Dreams.

Also, if you are a late 90s / early 00s PC gamer, you might also want to check Balls of Steel and Addiction Pinball - just so you can see a Duke Nukem or a Worms Armageddon themed pinball game.

>>4358587
My mistake, I mixed the shows up. Although you should also have known that every enemy was from that show.

>>4358586
>It's loosely based off of it, sure

The only thing based on it is using Sonics American design (where he has a round ball head with spikes on it, instead of the spikes being less pointy contiguous with the head).

The only other common point is using the cartoon cast in the bonus stages, but honestly, that's just a time saver measure so they don't have to design new animals there.

>>4354241
I actually love this game, but can't stand normal Sonic.

>>4358649
Characters, Sonic design, sounds based to me.

>>4358680
The Sonic design didn't come from the cartoon, it came from SOA's depiction of Sonic in box art and marketing. It was their own design, that the cartoon used later on. I forgot the guy who did the artwork, I recall he died a few years ago.

As for the whole satam connection: the Archie comics used those characters a year before either satam or Spinball had. In fact Spinball uses the early pink design for the furry princess, same as on the archie book. And all of those just used the character names etcetera from an internal Sonic Bible made by SOA to begin with.

So Spinball is based on the SOA design, which is what they also based the comics and cartoons on. It would still have those cameos, even if the comics or cartoons did not came to be.

>>4358704
So, it has the same design and characters in the show? Sounds like it's based off the show.

>>4358737
... You're illiterate.

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>>4358871
which part is that from where u see sonics reflection. i cant remember

>>4358982
bonus game

>>4358983
ah thanks

Fun fact:
>On the final day of Spinball's development, the team was throwing their "end-of-project" party when the Japanese group working on Sonic 3 dropped in to see how things turned out. The start-up screen for the demo featured the title jingle from Sonics 1 and 2. Hirokazu Yasuhara, director of both games, wondered how the Spinball team managed to talk Sega into licensing the original theme. The rights to the original Sonic music composed by Masato Nakamura belong to his band, Dreams Come True - a fact the Spinball team was not aware of.

>DCT's licensing fee was more than Sega was willing to cough up, so at the very last minute composer Howard Drossin whipped up a new opening jingle that became Spinball's title theme.

>>4359002
It's true, there's a dumped prototype that still plays the Sonic 1 theme intact.

>>4354464
Good job reinforcing the stereotype that name fags and tripfags are shit at whatever board they are on so they seek validation otherwise.

I'm one the (I think) few who don't mind PALshit but this is one game I really don't want to play on 50hz. Slow and clunky enough as it is.

>no remake

>>4358771
>BTFO

>>4358552
More to my point, SatAM isn't good enough to justify the existence of a poor game. but let the insecure twat ignore context so he can play the 'I'm older than you' card. It's important to not let anyone think you're under 30 on /vr/!

>>4359606
Keep baiting, anon.

>>4358737
No, because the show was based off the game.

>>4359006
I really, really wonder how that came to be dumped in the first place. Did some early carts came with that ROM?

>>4359774
>prototype cart

>>4354241
The game was to choppy for a pinball game and the soundtrack was pretty hit and miss. Otherwise I find it pretty enjoyable and it's neat to see a Sonic game that took elements from the TV show.

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>>4355294
I never noticed Sonic's reflection in the windows before. That's pretty cool actually.

>>4358595
Since we're talking about retro pinball games, I'm wondering if you could name one for me? I saw it in a Twitch stream about a week ago and didn't catch the name.

It's a fantasy-themed pinball game, I don't know which console unfortunately, but it had a lot of skeletons and dragons in it. And there's this woman's head in the middle of the stage that slowly turns into a dragon-like creature as you damage it.

>>4361097
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K8taC6ADMM

>>4361121
Yes that's the one, thank you.

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>>4361126
There's like three pinball games on the Genesis was it really so hard to just quickly look them up and find out which one it was?

>>4361134
Like I said, I didn't know the console. :(

>>4361138

Maybe you should lay off the HRT to become your qt RP avatar everyone loves for a second and learn some basics on how to do research even a high school student could do.

>>4361167
Dude. Grow up.

>>4361178

He's on his manperiod. Pay him no mind.

this game is a portal to hell

>>4361134
Sevenleaf openly said she didn't know what console it was on. Not knowing where to look could be half the problem.

>>4361121
This game is pretty fucked up. I like it. Might have to get a copy.