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I know of groups that are trying to archive 1:1 copies of games (byuu, no-intro, redump) but what about manuals? Any big groups going through the effort to scan and preserve the most perishable item in a game box? Any methods for regular faggots like me to make a good scan of my own?
Also, general manual appreciation thread I guess.

>> No.4343971

>>4343950
Paper is a lossy format by definition, ain't much you can do really. Manuals are going to be shitty blurred scans forever.

Until the OCR tech gets really good maybe.

>> No.4343982

>>4343950
replace docs also when that shit site started the staff (3 guys) have a fight with one of the founders
about not putting shitty watermarks after all these years i think the other two guys in favor of the water mark crap won

>> No.4344008

>>4343971
I'm imagining this fantasy world where a scanner that scans thing as a vector image exists, but I really doubt it does without tracing / redrawing the manual if you want a lossless image.

>> No.4344093

Is anyone aware of any legal trouble in archiving and uploading manual scans? It'd be a neat project for me but I don't want to run in to too much trouble regarding copyright garbage.

>> No.4344387

>>4344093
I think it would technically be illegal but I've never heard of anyone actually getting into trouble over it.

>> No.4345261

>>4344387
interesting.

>> No.4345298

>>4344093
>>4344387
>>4345261

All of them are copyrighted. And will be until after your children are dead and buried. The USA doesn't even have a clearly defined legal mechanism for putting shit in the public domain.

>>4343971

Scan to PNG after stripping the binding. You destroy one copy but preserve it digitally for all eternity.

>>4343982

Replacement Docs is deader than Vimm's. The only reliable places left are the retro games trackers. There's even a project to preserve all Sega manuals called the DMC.

>> No.4345316

>>4344093
the eggheads at archive.org have tons of copyrighted games from decades ago saved and available for playing/download right now, and nobody's gone after them. The absolute worst I can imagine happening is someone sends you a cease and desist letter if you upload an archive of old manual scans they have the copyright to, but I sincerely doubt the many now-defunct companies that published the games with these manuals have the financial capability to legally go after you, let alone care about the many games that are almost completely forgotten in the sands of time.

Get to work, and godspeed anon.

>> No.4345326

>>4345316

Archive.org is leaning on a very tenuous legal exception to do its work. An exception neither you nor he would remotely qualify for. And yes, Jewtendo routinely DMCAs their manuals. It's the reason nobody ever seems to be able to scoop up enough of 'em in high quality to constitute an "Archive".

>> No.4345556

>>4343950
You can find a lot of nicely scanned manuals for games released on Sega systems on segaretro.org. Also feel free to contribute yourself, it's a pretty cool and chill preservation project.

>> No.4345667

>>4344093
here's a test scan I did. Is the quality good?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jk63y0i9dmcqxtp/001.jpg?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ag2ek1ghpp500uw/Tony%20Hawk%27s%20Pro%20Skater%204%20%28Greatest%20Hits%29.cbz?dl=0

>> No.4345695

byuu’s preservation project includes box and manual scans.

>> No.4345704

>>4345695
Has byuu released them anywhere?

>> No.4345724

>>4345704
No, likely because he doesn’t want Nintendo and others to sue him over copyright.

>> No.4345739

>>4345667

Good quality. I have taken your images and applied color correction.

>> No.4345742

>>4345739

https://anonfile.com/Qej3Lecbb3/Compressed_file.7z

>> No.4346217

>>4345326

>Jewtendo routinely DMCAs their manuals

As a historian, this triggers me so fucking much. You can literally let faggots waste their own money and cherish your work for F R E E and what they do?

It's not like they losing their software sell.

>> No.4346254

>>4346217
I'm honestly surprised that nintendo hasn't dmca'd /v/ and /vr/ for having anything ninty related on here.

>> No.4346835
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4346835

>>4346217

What can I say? These are the consequences when a society countenances the concept that one can "own" an idea. Now with rising corporate power they've decided they're going to own them in perpetuity, because having a shared culture is wasted on the filthy peasant underclass, you see.

Bow to your neo-feudal lords.

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4346873

>>4346835
But anon, you wouldn't download a car. It's the same thing when a media franchise is copyrighted in perpetuity and the only public domain your grandchildren will see is endless remakes of Sherlock Holmes.
How do you expect these poor corporations to invent new ideas without the economic incentive lasting a century after our collective demise?

>> No.4347287

>>4345298
gamesdatabase has most console game manuals covered

>> No.4347443

>>4347287

I just looked it up. I'm not impressed.

>> No.4347458

>>4343950
>Any big groups going through the effort to scan and preserve the most perishable item in a game box?

I've scanned around 150 JP Saturn games so far, and all the USA ones have been scanned a long while ago. Sadly the CDs can't be scanned right because of their rainbow reflection screwing the scanner sensor.

I'm thinking of putting them on patreon because I don't have any more money to buy games. Do you think people would be interested?

>> No.4347475

>>4347458
Release them on archive.org or something. Don't be a faggot

>> No.4347486

>>4347475
sorry, I meant a patreon for the ultra high res ones.

like, 300dpi releases normally, 600dpi uncropped unrotated ones on patreon.

>> No.4347487

>>4347486
Copyright Jews might take notice. As far as I know this is akin to selling roms.

>> No.4347505

>>4347487
Yeah, I figured. I'll keep it private then, until I can get it substantially bigger.

>> No.4347597

>>4345742
Cool. I have taken that and applied my watermark and uploaded it to my site.

>> No.4348068

>>4347505
>>4347458

Don't be a fag.

>> No.4348072

>>4347597

What site?

>> No.4349353

>>4343950
>preserve the most perishable item in a game box
That would be the vintage air in the box. No. No one is try to preserve it.

>> No.4349354

>>4343950
stop bullying Doublas-chan

>> No.4350316

>>4349353
>hipsters will eventually pay for jarred vintage air saying the quality is better

>> No.4350336

>>4345316
>>4345326
Archive.org are leading the charge against perpetual copyright. They just put up a bunch of books from 1923-1941

>> No.4350339

>>4349353
>That would be the vintage air in the box. No. No one is try to preserve it.

Tangentially related, but I like how every Japanese user console I buy, has this unique smell to it. It is obviously heavy smoke residue, but it's not so heavy that it is unbearable, just so that it has a faint smell like it.

>> No.4350428

>>4350339
I love when I order a PS2 game on eBay and get that new manual smell. Sucks that modern games usually skimp on the manual and put ads in the box instead.

>> No.4350803

>>4350336

The fix is in for them too. NAFTA is being renegotiated by the Trump administration TPP-style.

>> No.4350808

>>4350803
Fake news, back to >>>/r/clinton with you CTR cuckshill

>> No.4350815

>>4350808
>F-F-FAKE NEWS!
Guess that means it's real.

>> No.4350982

>>4350808
>>4350815

To be fair, "renegotiated *by* the Trump administration" is a bit strong. It's more like big business (including Big Media) are doing the negotiations, and he just signs off on the whole mess.

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4350991

>>4350982
>>4350815
>>4350808
>>4350803
unironically >>>/pol/
let's just talk about game manuals (:

>> No.4351000

>>4350991

I tried; this dipshit >>4347597 decided he'd gotten all the free work he wanted for now and ran off to let the thread die.

>> No.4351118

Byuu and whomever else who scans game labels and manuals would do VERY WELL to amass as much as possible and just ANONYMOUSLY release them into the wild. Or release as they get em but in secret...

That way, DMCA can’t do shit to one person. The copyright holders have to play Whackamole.

I appreciate Byuus work in accuracy and preservation, but he needs to knock the pride off and just release those scans uncredited through a third party or several....

>> No.4351134

>>4351118
You're talking about a guy who's still hoarding game dumps for whatever contrived, bullshit reason he's offering up this week. Him releasing scans is about as unlikely.

>> No.4351220

>>4345704
No but he kept everyones donations for them though.

>> No.4351703

>>4351220

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E781QE7ZQK8

>> No.4351743

I know on NintendoAge that there are efforts to record what all came with every game for certain systems, as well as some less effective efforts to collect scans of every manual/insert/etc.

>> No.4352979

Anyway to host manuals somewhat safely that can be updated? I was thinking mega or even archive.org but I'm not too sure now.

>> No.4353079

>>4352979

Archive.org may give you the refuge you need. Until some asshole judge or the Supreme Court manages to issue a half-baked ruling that effectively kills the public library.

Even then, they have backup servers in Canada.

>> No.4353109

No mention of TOSEC? They have a ton of scans of various stuff, including hardware manuals. Unfortunately it's all in gigantic zip files.

https://archive.org/details/tosecpix
https://www.tosecdev.org/forum/

>>4352979
Are you able to keep copies of everything yourself? If so then either is fine. The worst they will do is remove your content from the net, but if you still have it then it can find another home later.

If you've got a collection of stuff done that you don't plan on updating often, you can just make torrents.

>> No.4353114

>>4353109

TOSECPIX is incomplete to the point of being worthless.

>> No.4353145

>>4353114
But is there nothing better? The only other suggestions I see in this thread are byuu's preservation project and gamesdatabase.

It's extremely incomplete, but I wouldn't say it's worthless... They've got nearly a thousand C64 manuals at least

>> No.4353239

>>4353109
No I don't have a collection yet but I have been scanning some stuff.

>> No.4353283

>>4344008
Fundamentally impossible. The universe is quantized.

>> No.4353778

>>4344008
>I really doubt it does without tracing / redrawing the manual if you want a lossless image.
Yep. Recovering the "original" from the scan would require someone with a huge amount of patience intelligently redrawing everything. Or maybe you can wait 100 years and an AI will do it :^)

I think high quality scans are good enough. As long as the scans are high quality then people can spend time vectorizing only what they want.

>> No.4353972

>>4353145

>But is there nothing better? The only other suggestions I see in this thread are byuu's preservation project and gamesdatabase.

Unfortunately, no. And that's kinda my point. Someone needs to bite the bullet, tell Nintendo and the copyright weens to go fuck themselves, and just *do* this. I wouldn't mind helping but I can't do the heavy lifting.

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4355623

>>4353972
Nintendo has been jewing people since forever. I wonder if they'll update their piracy page to include manuals and shit.

>> No.4355761

>>4343950
There's a couple of manuals here.
http://www.gamesdatabase.org/

>> No.4356961

>>4355761
>flash
DROPPED

>> No.4359525

>>4356961
Flash isn't that bad.

>> No.4360249

>>4356961
you don't need flash to see the manuals.