/vr/ - Retro Games

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>>4341847

Is there such a thing as "best Breath of Fire 1 version" or is the GBA one trash?

>>4342332

There's no best version because the game is pretty mediocre...I tried suffering through it but it's just so basic bitch that I got bored and stopped.

I mean, there's nothing inherently wrong with it...just nothing noteworthy either...it'd be good as a first JRPG but if you've played many others it's going to be bland by comparison.

>>4342036
You are working hard!

>>4342332
The GBA remakes actually have improved menu interface and boosted XP rates that make grinding slightly less soul-crushing

>>4341847
The game drops so many hints to it being the case that I really don't see how she isnt.

>>4342332
Play the retranslated snes version

>>4344078
>implying there is a retranslated version of Breath of Fire 1

>>4343441
>implying BoF1 is grind heavy or soul crushing and isn't piss easy to begin with
Seriously the only bosses I can see being even remotely hard are Knight and possibly Gremlin but after you unlock the first set of dragon forms and the even more overpowered Shin form for Karn the rest of game is a walk in a park.

>>4344210
I hated how those damn cutscenes in the insanity flowers scenario kept unfusing Karn and putting Gobi in the fighting half of the party.

Fuck off, undersea Ferengi, you're even worthless in your native habitat!

>>4341847
With a sister like this I can easily understand incest now.

>>4341847
It's pretty obvious from the "I want my big brother" line and her having wings and blue hair. Their mother had wings when in human form too.

>>4342332
The GBA version has a dash function, nicer portraits, cutscenes images and better UI but it's easier and the washed out palette and massive dip in music quality really isn't worth it.

>>4344210
I can recall there being a project to retranslate it, but it's obvious either very quiet or dead.

>>4345201
There's a patch for the SNES game that adds a dash button, retranslation and even a vocal song as opening.

>>4345216
But that's for BoFII, not BoFI. I remember reading about the retranslation attempt on the Dragon Tear forum but that site is dead now, it seems.

>>4341847
Yeah

>>4344565
Too bad Ryu and Nina seem destined for each other in nearly every game. I would probably go for Katt in BoF2 though.

>>4345282
I thought it was left pretty ambiguous at the end of 2.
Afaik only 1 has hints of Ryu and Nina actually marrying.

>>4345487
It's pretty clear in 2 that the reason Nina has black wings is because her ancestor banged a dragon, and the first Nina basically tells you as much.

They're still destined for each other in 3 so you can assume it's true in 2 if they're chronologically reincarnated.

but then in 4 she ends up with Cray if you get the bad ending

>>4345487
Nina seemed pretty close to Ryu in 3,4 and 5.

>>4345505
Wasn't the reason Nina's people's power diminished was because BoF1's Nina had kids with Ryu?

>>4345505
That's what I mean. 2 more or less tells you Nina1 hooked up with someone from another clan. Most likely Ryu.
2 has hints of affection from both Katt/Lin and Nina, but nothing comes of it that we know of.
3 they're pretty close but again we don't get much further than that on screen.
Never finished 4, sadly
I never touched 5 but maybe I will one day.

>>4345536
In 4, Nina grows pretty close with Ryu along the journey and in 5 Ryu's main reason to go to the surface is to save Nina so they more than likely got together.

>>4345282
BoF3 Nina best Nina.
Those killers thighs man.

>dragon and a bird fuck
>they don't become rad as hell dragon-birds
Fuck this gay earth.

>>4345545
I hate that you can only see young Nina's panties when her dress pops up. I kept trying to see adult Nina's but it her dress stays down all the time.

That said, I'm surprised nobody ever drew art of her in-game sprite appearance. Only the version based on her concept art. I don't think people drew in-game young Ryu (I always viewed him as having a topknot), either age of Teepo, or young Rei either.

>>4345639
>young Nina's panties when her dress pops up
Wait, what?

>>4345660
It's more like poofy bloomers or pumpkin pants, honestly.
When she does a normal attack or uses her field-action (when she shoots magic out of her wand), her dress goes up in the back, but for less than a second.

>>4346434

>>4346440
God, ArkSys are so fucking lazy.

>>4345639
Because people love Yoshikawa's bright, colorful art for III and IV compared to his more typical style seen in I and II.

The old style isn't bad or anything but the new style is phenomenal and gives BoF it's own personality.

>>4346459
For those not familiar with the art style change.

I don't know how anyone can say the left picture has a better style then the right style. I went with art of II and IV as he had more or less developed the style he had established in I and III by these games.

>>4346471
I like both but the right one does have a lot more style.

>>4346459
>>4346471
I like both, but yeah, when I think of BoF, I think of 3 and 4's style. Less so 5's style, but the secondary being 1 and 2's style.
There is no Breath of Fire 6, outside of that hypothetical wild-west looking theoretical BoF6 fanart made years before something that totally wasn't Breath of Fire 6 was even announced.

Also, post your favorite Ryu.
Even though his game wasn't the best, I still love this little feral fucker. Even though it's "justified" via the plots in the sequels, I kinda hate how he's the only one who looks beastly (even then just barely).

>>4345545
Best Nina is from BoF2. Here she is actually a true woman and don’t looks like under age like in every other game.

>>4346546
Breath of Fire 5 is my favorite. I know it was such a big departure but the entire atmosphere and story really connected well with me. 3 is close behind 5 in my books.

>>4346471
I've been playing IV for 9 hours and that rat girl still hasn't been introduced.

What's with that

She literally yells that she wants her brother right before Ryu rescues her. What do you think?

>>4346582

5=4=3>2>>>>>>1.

Fuck, 1 wasn't even good for it's day. So clunky.

>>4346459
I & II art was redone in the GBA versions to look like the later games, you dummy.

>sister grows up without her family
>is a thief and has degenerate wing piercings
couldn't protect her smile, boys

>>4346792
>5=4=
Hmm..

>>4346887
At least you have your plants.

>>4346927
I never used this "guy".

>>4346792
BoF1 was just a DQ clone, but I always say that it tries to be more than that. It's charming. It throws you in a lot of interesting scenarios to keep things fresh, even if it never does anything particularly good with them. From zombies to the dream hopping, the stone mecha and all the different gimmicks and subplots that almost every town has. I missed that aspect in the later games.

>>4347025
Plants have both male and female parts to them, so I think technically Aspar is both

>>4347427
So you're saying it is canon futa.

>>4347464
I guess?

>Sparr's seed

I grew up with this series. I own them all. Finished most. My perspective is 2>1>3=4 and 5 isn't even a real BOF game.

>MFW bof1 IS my babys first RPG and /vr/ never calls it anything above mediocre

>:(

>>4347427
>>4347464
by that logic Peco is also a herm?

>>4348195
I didn't

>>4348181
So was snake tits always a goddess or was she just some super powerful entity much like myria?

>>4348249
An immortal snek sorceress with a floating desert city. She has chim.

>>4348249
the latter, they're sisters

>>4348205
But Peco is a giant bulb so it doesn't really matter till they grow.

Also I plants can self pollinate.

>>4348426
>plants can self pollinate

>>4348476
I'm just fueling the fire at this point.
I can't help it though. Working with plants all day since I got a new job has led to me having this sort of stuff on my mind.

>>4348476
what purpose does the mushroom symbiote serve?

>>4348476
>mushroom
>plant

>>4348353

I like Nina 2's early 90s anime hair.

>>4348517
>this ignorant fuck doesn't know about mycorrhizhal hybrids

>>4348517
Well they aren't animals or minerals, ate they.

>>4348510
for pollinate

>>4348943
Normal Katt looks better than Shamanized Katt.

>>4348943
Is Female Mushroom Spar that popular?

>>4349183
Gross.

>>4350186
sure

>>4345282
>Not picking animu mushroom girl Spar
to each his own

>>4348181
same here mein brethren. Excapt
2>3>4>1
>dragon quarter
chill broski

>>4350429
Having such quality girls such as BoF2 Nina and Katt makes it really hard for Mushroom Spar to compete.

>>4350457
She's also completely useless in battle.

>>4350457
hon hon hon hon hon

>>4350476
Put this dude in "that" category.
Awesome characters that just suck balls otherwise.
Cyan,Hahn,Gryz,Jean,Curie, etc

>>4350484
Do you think Nina took the dragon dick or did Ryu stay in human form?

>>4350529
why not both

>>4346471
I'm afraid I have to side with the left image.

>>4350583
Same my nigga.

>>4350583
>>4350662
Imagine a game where all of BOF2 art designs were hand drawn animations.

>>4346471
That sexpot catgirl waifu.

>>4350579
Strong wings

>>4350490
>Curie
Who? Are you talking about the heal-slime/healer/hoimi slime from Dragon Quest 4?

wait a second

guys

how long has this thread been going

i-is he dead

>>4351102
since the 21st

>>4351058
You're thinking of Healie.

>>4351102
hopefully

>>4351186
no u

If Nina hooked up with Ryu, shouldn't that decision only resonate with all of her direct descendants? In BoF3 absolutely no one in Wyndia has wings anymore.

>>4351582
There's a few people with them still, that I recall.

>>4351582
There were people in Wyndia with wings it is just only the Royal family had functional wings for some reason.

>>4351823
population replacement

they aint wyndian

>>4353057
Wait, what?

>>4353117
Nina made it acceptable for windyan girls to miscigenate with non-windyans, that wipeout the windyan population.

>>4353137
One girl wants to ride the dragon dick and now every other winged girl fucks non-windians.

>>4345505
>>4345529
>>4350484
>>4350529
I know it's /a/, but I feel like this image would be appropriate for this tangent.

*slaps your ass*

>>4353675
I'd play slapass with Katt

>>4354247
But could you beat Tiga?

>>4354273
Tiga only had eyes for a human woman.

>>4350529
InjuOtoko

I don't know how capcom does it. All their girls, and even just chatacters in general, are great.

>>4354847
Only because you are a desperate sexless weeabo.

>>4354848
I just think they're cute dude, not everything is about sex.

>>4354273
>>4354517
Totally
not only because of the other girl, but because he's dead too

>>4355106
BoF2's plot was so weird.

>>4355652
was there really any narrative purpose to Rand's mom suddenly being a character for like 10 minutes then getting crushed by a wall

like is that really storytelling or is it just some sort of regurgitation of brutal movie cliches

There are a lot of characters in this series that get totally fucked up now that I think about it

>>4355694
BoF2 has a lot of people dying rather gruesome deaths if I remember right. Though I'm reminded of the prologue of BoF3 you play Whelp Ryu fucking barbecuing people to the point they're featureless corpses.

>>4355705
one of the guys survives and is paralyzed in a wheelchair with brain damage when you go back to the mines later in the game

he has the same name and appearance as your hunter buddy Bo from the first game

>>4355719
Jesus, I don't remember that.

>>4355694
BoF (from II) has a lot of scenes devoted to shocking/pulling a tear from you. II had a lot of "forced" ones but III and IV were a lot more subtle and brutal about it. III starts throwing them at you pretty early: from incinerating people just doing their job to the Nue pups reveal.

I wish I could play the games for the first time again. The Elina reveal in IV made me feel sick, and it still does.

>>4356071
That shit was fucking intense.

>>4353057
>BoF thread where somebody actually posts best girl
it's finally happening

>>4356519

>>4356519
>>4356592
I fapped to the scene she was naked in BoF3 when I was younger.

>>4356693
There's nothing even slightly wrong with that.

>>4341847
Second and third games are my favorites. Breath of Fire 2 is a grindfest at the start until you get rolling, and then it's pretty much smooth sailing once you get all the cool moves and attacks.

Katt is my favorite character though I'm not a fur. Got nothing against furs, though.

As for Civilization, I loved the isometric view of the second game. Third Civilization game didn't happen. Critics will point to the fourth game as being the best, but Civ 5 and 6 blow it out of the water in terms of gameplay and quality.

Like, they finally fixed the problem were games last 24 hours to finish. And the leaders with secret motives was a nice touch.

Sid Meier is a genius.

>>4356720
u wot

>>4356519
>>4356592
>>4356697
I always enjoyed how various her roles are. Sometimes she's just a npc and other times she joins you. I thought her being a sort of guide for Ryu in IV was pretty cool.

>>4356071

The BOF series reminds me a bit of Phantasy Star series in that they both have out-of-the-blue shocking moments in games that dont feel that depressing at first. Maybe it was an early to mid 90s jrpg thing?

>>4356745
I enjoy her tits.
I don't even care she's a snake.

>>4356041
I had to walk there from the final area anon

it took less than 5 minutes

>>4350579
> Ryu's face as he tries to not stare at Katt's now fully exposed vagina and butthole.

>>4355705
You can even pick their swords (listed as Melted Blades) and they can help you to survive through the first couple of game hours so you could collect enough money and item drops to give you better survival odds once you go into the mansion to steal shit.

>>4357187
or just go fishing for silver knives/easy money

>>4350579

>Jean eyeing Nina's ass.

>>4357545
isn't he into that gilf pussy tho

>>4357179
she wants him to stare tho, she thirsted after him the whole game

>>4357151
I remember on a replay I avoided killing as many people as I could cause I felt bad.

>BoF best-girl talk
>nobody ever mentions Ursula
BoFIV had really good characters, now that I think of it. I didn't dislike a single one of them, main or otherwise.

>>4358602
I didn't really like the dog drunker that much but other than that I thought they were all cool.

>>4358615
I was probably just the right age for it at the time but Scias was my absolute shit.
Just the right amount of edgy while not being a total bag of cocks.

>>4357528
No, I mean at the very beginning, when you have no zenny, no levels and the Melted Blade's piddly bonus over the shit Rei steals for you can make the difference between surviving a combat or having to reload a save.

>>4358602

Ursula is great, but I don't talk about her a lot because of Kattfag ruining everything for BoF girls on /vr/. Don't want to piss off a mod.

>>4345529
I was pretty sure the demi-human clans were simply naturally deminishing over time, their traits lessening to become pretty much human. In BoF1, there were very few actual human humans and a lot of demi-humans, in 2, there gets to be more regular humans and less demis running around and the ones that exist have weaker traits compared to 1, and in 3, demi-humans are almost completely missing except for a few unique individuals.

>>4360176
Guess they got bred out by humans.

>>4360176
I noticed the technological progress, but not the racial diluting. Were there demi-humans in DQ at all?

>>4360816
I wonder what the time skip was for the 2 to 3. It seemed like it had got super advanced then Myria crushed them.

>>4360906
I still think dq was the first game where everyone is technologicially advanced. Demi humans amd weird clans are genetic engineered critters from the underground society. The wells from bof1 were escape tunnels it vents from dq's society. They eventually got paved over.

Bof 1 and 3 both had hi tech bosses and dungeons with very little explanation if where the tech came from.

Well dq was all high tech shit

>>4360993
BOF4 is the only game that seems like its own universe.

>>4361007
They said it was several times

>>4361023
I never really thought DQ might be a prequel to 1 - 3.

>>4361029
it sort of makes more sense that it's a sequel to 3 after the world turned to shit from all their conflict and abuse of science and after Myria got destroyed

>>4361041
I feel that is counter to the message that BoF3 was telling.

>>4361041
Word of God said Dragon Quarter takes place in an alternate timeline.

>>4360993
Both DQ and IV could fit in nicely after III. I like IV as a prequel since I like the implied origin story for Myria, but the game itself says it's an alternate universe to I-III.

>>4362613
Really? I think they said that for IV, but Capcom treats DQ almost as it's ashamed of it. It's the only game to not have gotten a manga/novel adaptation among other things and I can't recall any official statements.

>>4362617
DQ was a different beast but I feel it had the right heart. People that throw it away cause it was such a departure are fools.

>>4356592
>bleu will never be your mommy
why live?

>>4362613
>>4362617
Honestly, the plot makes perfect sense if it goes 4>1>2>3>5

so I'm gonna say that the word of god is just some lip service here because the fans and investors are kind of shit

for some reason a lot of actual good game designers that work for major companies in japan have this opinion that their fans can't handle good ideas or storytelling or something, it's sort of weird

>>4358602
My guy.

>>4362914
>for some reason a lot of actual good game designers that work for major companies in japan have this opinion that their fans can't handle good ideas or storytelling or something, it's sort of weird
If they're anything like the neckbeards that harass idols and try to destroy their career because they got a boyfriend I can understand.

>>4362936
>If they're anything like the neckbeards that harass idols and try to destroy their career because they got a boyfriend
Nothing wrong with that.

>>4362947
Well, I suppose if you're a talentless hack who just looks pretty it's the least you can do for the fans who made you popular.

>>4360993
My guess is the technologlical advancement happened sometime after IV (Chronologically first in the series), Myria/Tyr somehow managed to take over things and horde everything to herself before being sealed. A lot of the reason we don't see it in 1, specifically in the final area is just due to art direction.

That does leave a pretty big question on what went on between IV - I though. Somewhere in there, Tyr was sealed away, making way for BoF1's plot.

>>4363005
1 still had a few bits of technology that stood out to me, aside from the final dungeon and some of the giant mechs, it also had that tower that controlled the weather, but like you said the art direction didn't really do it justice and made it seem more fantasy than sci-fi

>>4363005
>That does leave a pretty big question on what went on between IV - I though
Perfect space to fill in with a new installment that has Yuna dying.

>>4341847
I think so, or its at least heavily implied. I just played/beat BoF2 recently so having taken a closer look again, I think she is

>>4363207
The game was SUPPOSED to end with General Rhun catching Yuna by surprise and breaking his neck before he could do anything, but BoF4 was rushed as fuck and so we got what we got.

>>4364009
The censorship rubs me the wrong way.

>>4364009
Is it just me or is Yuna the only male grassrunner that isn't a furry?

>>4364009
Him getting away with it is a much more satisfyingly infuriating ending and opens up the potential prequel twist. I'm glad he didn't die in a cop out/anticlimatic way.

>>4364527
I just imagine him falling off the roof of the building he is standing on and dying in the ending.

>>4364527
yeah but it feels a lot more like a dropped subplot than anything else. In your head its just like oh yuna didn't die but really its more like they forgot / didn't have the time to actually end his subplot so they just fucking ignored it at the end of the game. That sorta hurts it headcanon wise

>>4364715
Like I said, pretend he slipped and fell at the end while being ominously evil.

>>4366594
Wow, that's ugly. What is Breath of Fire Total Flame?

>>4366768
someone's breath of fire desire

>>4366594
imagine tracing art and still somehow making it look like shit

>>4348181
With all flaws accounted for, my ranking would be
2>4>1>3>5

2 is just the most fun overall. Straightforward, fast and satisfying combat. Decent story. Colorful cast.
4 is gorgeous and it has a story that tried to do something different. Villains are the best in the series, for several reasons. It just feels a bit dull and drab from time to time.
1 is a mess, but it just has SO much stuff being thrown around. It's not balanced at all but it just never loses momentum.
3 has the best attempt to make the dragon system a good thing. And yet it still fails on account of all the possible options just being a trial and error game until you find the one form that's just the best. Other than that the game just feels short. You're forced to walk around with an awfully inconvenient couple of teleports that don't even help that much. And you NEED to do this if you want to take advantage of the new teacher system. It's just not as fun.
Dragon Quarter... It should have been honest about its extremely short length and actually put all the story elements in one go. I like the story it's trying to tell, but the tactic aspect is clunky and not as relevant as it should be, specially for the very few actual battles you need to fight.

>>4367390
Dragon Quarter being short is the best thing about it.

>>4366768
I thought it was some artbook. So it's a fan idea. If they're heading the direction I'm thinking it doesn't sound half bad. Following up the desert with a water world akin to Wind Waker. Carry on the Asian theme from BoF4 and you get could get a decent parallel to Japan (which might explain the vague ninja look ugly Nina has).

>>4367390
I'd rank the games in the same order.

>1 is a mess, but it just has SO much stuff being thrown around.
That's why I love BoF1. It's a straight clone of Dragon Warrior but they just throw so much shit into it to make it different that the game never manages to be boring. Its only fault is its weird fixed damage system concerning magic.

Eh...

>want to play bof2
>played it about half a dozen times and drop it midway, right around the spar going into trees mind arc
>all the characters are pretty bad for combat
>leveling takes forever and gives very marginal bonuses

>want to play bof3 but don't like the 3d isometric shit it has going on for itself, and afraid to play if it turns out like bof2 gameplay wise

>my friends in middle school liked bof4 but I never got into it/thought I was too contrarian for it, preferred SO2 at the time too much to drop it.

That being said, I overleveled and played the shit out of bof1, unlocking everything, getting agni, secret ending, etc. Fun stuff. Feels like the series is hit and miss to me.

>>4367445
>played it about half a dozen times and drop it midway, right around the spar going into trees mind arc
Boredom? Its latter half is when the game really peaks.

>all the characters are pretty bad for combat
>leveling takes forever and gives very marginal bonuses
The game can get pretty grind-heavy. BoF1 is pretty easy in contrast. Are you sure you don't just need to git gud? I've never really had difficulty outside of one or two cases.

>want to play bof3 but don't like the 3d isometric shit it has going on for itself, and afraid to play if it turns out like bof2 gameplay wise
BoF3 is the one game where you can use the everyone is shit in combat argument. It was years ago and maybe I just needed to grind more but it felt like everyone was just really shitty outside of Ryu's dragon forms.

BoFIV is the best of the bunch at least when it comes to its gameplay. You're missing out.

>>4367645
>using the term git gud for a turn based rpg
you have to be literally retarded to find these games hard

>>4367660
>you have to be literally retarded to find these games hard
Well, him hating III's isometric style and not playing IV because he was contrarian made me suspicious.

>>4367660
Myria is tough if you don't cheese her.

>>4367684
Nah, I've played plenty of harder games, it just seemed like to me most of the good characters were not always available (Bow and Rand) for story reasons, but all the shitty ones like Sten had to be in the party for whatever reason. Everyone seemed really mediocre and had weird kits, like Katt having really strong magic she can never use for ahwhile because of her low AP pool, or Jean who had kinda below average stats but was able to hit all mooks for okay damage, as well as being able to silence targets too.

I guess it's made up for the fact that you can fuse characters and get really strong people, but iirc if you get into critical hp levels you drop the fusion, and I'm sure that's not a good thing to happen if you're in a large dungeon like some of the later ones? But I've never beaten it so idk

Comparing the cast from bof1 to 2, seemed like the first game had a much better or more useful group of characters. By the time people started out living their usefulness (Gobi and Bo come to mind) you would learn a new fusion magic and you'd be good for awhile again.

>>4370153

I have a hard time believing that last part, no BOF game's part is very well-balanced but BOF1 in particular has a host of useless characters, especially gobi (who is only useful underwater) and mogu (who is never useful)

the only thing BOF does to counter this issue is give every character a unique overworld skill, which at least keeps them sort of relevant

>>4370153
Yeah, I don't get why Katt had magic when in every instance she's just a much better damage dealer.

>>4370153
>iirc if you get into critical hp levels you drop the fusion, and I'm sure that's not a good thing to happen if you're in a large dungeon like some of the later ones? But I've never beaten it so idk
You're right. IIRC even some cutscenes undo fusions and some fusions get rid of sometimes required overworld abilities. It's just really shitty since it makes the fusion system unreliable.

>>4370178
>BOF1 in particular has a host of useless characters
Unless you want to purposely gimp yourself, your party is going to be composed of Nina, Bleu and Bo/Karn/Ox and in each of those cases it's better to just use a fusion as on their own they have no skill that you're going to miss out on. Bo is decent but he's required for every one of Karn's fusions that don't require you to be underwater.

BoF1 really just needs its magic to be distributed better. Seriously, Nina has ALL the healing/support magic and Bleu has ALL the battle magic. Take away Nina's buffs and give them to Ox (so there's something to lose if you fuse him) and add some debuff spells and give them to Bo (ties into him hunting which can involve debilitating prey). Gobi and Mogu could be cut from the game entirely.

>>4370596
I can barely remember the cast members of BoF1 besides Ryu, Nina, Bo and Deus.