/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4309826
People would rather talk about Tranny Muslim tripfags than Umihara? These are terrible times.

I like this series. The first one is my favorite.

I wanna start speedrunning it soon, when I get some time off work. The PC port is excellent; silky-smooth 60 FPS.

>>4309996
It's too bad the port of Shun is pretty shoddy, but it doesn't have much (or any?) slowdown on original hardware so I'll continue to play it that way.

Have this on the Super Famicom. I really love it. I just suck really bad at it. How do I improve? Just keep playing and experimenting?

>bionic commando for pedophiles

>>4310021
I feel like people who make this comparison haven't actually played Bionic Commando.

>>4310020
There are some technique you can learn that will help, like how you can give yourself a boost by hooking the ground, walking away from the hook, then reeling in and jumping. You do have to spend a lot of time playing to get a good feel for the physics, though.
>>4310021
Bionic Commando comparisons are so shallow, it's a totally different kind of game.

>>4310021
>shitposter who couldn't beat the tadpole

>Want to import the DS game
>Remember DS games were bootlegged & faked to hell & back

How do I tell if a DS game is fake?

>>4310782
metal jesus rocks made a useful video on that, look it up

>>4310027
>>4310037
It's more like a good version of Knuckles' Chaotix. You know, if it had actual level design to make use of the tether physics.

>>4310782
You can check the validity of a DS game by seeing if the code printed on the front label matches the one that's on the back of the cartridge. Here's a pic of my copy of the game, front and back. See how the middle section of the label code is the same as the first four letters on the back of the cart? That's how you know it's legit. It might be pretty difficult to get that kind of info with an online auction, but if you message the seller you can sometimes get them to take additional pictures for you.

>>4310021
SHE'S NOT UNDERAGE DAMMIT!!

>>4309826
Are there any videos demonstrating tricks and techniques in this game?

>>4310797
Thanks for the tip, roundeye.

>>4310827
He didn't say that. He called out the pedophiles and you responded to that call.

>>4310827
Found the pedophile

>>4310797
>NTR

I want her tits on my face

>>4310828
I'll try to make one, there isn't any content like that on English webs really.

I wonder what the new game's going to be like.

It's even published by success, so maybe if we get lucky it'll have VR's other waifu, cotton in it too.

Also, I got to play a bit of Umihara's fighting game. It's really fucking fun. Umihara just bounces all over the place, in more ways than one.

The upside-down stage in the first Umihara Kawase is my favorite.

>>4311602
Also I have a ton of random Umihar art, so I'm gonna post some that I don't use so often.

>>4311615

>>4311635

Just started playing this. Everything about it feels comfy.

>>4311650
The absurd difficulty complements the incredible soothing nature of the game very well.

It gets even better once you get used to the controls and swinging is perfectly natural.

>>4311661
It's seriously my favorite game of all time. There's just something so special about this series.

>>4311669

>>4311674
Last one now, I found this on saizensen's twitter and thought it was adorable.

Just made a tutorial vid, mostly intended for beginners.

Should contain all the important techniques.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqgjraxzGfU

>>4311597
I'm hoping it's better than Sayonara, which was fun but had a lot of wonky stage gimmicks. I'd love to see Cotton make a cameo, too.
>>4311695
Awesome! Thanks for making this.

>>4311669
Lewd

I really need to get back on the playstation version. It was the 2nd game I tried after barely clearing snes umihara. Got stuck trying to reach an alternate exit on some stage where you have to swing against a ceiling conveyor belt and then go up and back on yourself.

>>4310797
Successfully made me dig out my copy to check.

not retro but did you gals here that Umi is gonna be in a fighting game with curly brace.

>>4312351
>hear*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1IdOqYojxc

>>4311597
What's this about a new game?

>>4312361
>>4312351
Too bad the model res is too low, and apparently the roster is quite small.
Will probably get it some years after release

>>4312408
they're sprites they converted from 3d models. it looks really weird

>>4311597
How does it play? Is it similar to any current fighters?

>>4312378
http://www.siliconera.com/2017/09/22/new-title-umihara-kawase-series-headed-nintendo-switch/

>>4312351
I got to play a bit of it in Akihbara, it's way better than I expected. It looks a lot better in person, too, but photos weren't allowed at the exhibit.

>>4312672
>>4312643
It's pretty unique. If anything it reminds me a bit of something like Astra Superstars, where the inputs themselves are very simple, but there's a lot of variety in your attacks and figuring out how to use them.

I really enjoyed playing as Umihara in particular, who gets to bounce all over the stage with the rope. You can do things like hook onto the ceiling/walls or do the rocket jump like you see in
>>4311695

I think it's something to pay attention to as a fan of Umihara Kawase. The Kawase girls have pretty comfy stages too.

>>4312689
I wish there was any footage at all other than the 10 minutes we saw where people were mashing.

What's the button layout?

>>4313094
Yeah, the footage out there is not great.

iirc there's three attack buttons, and then a skill button which can do every character's more unique attacks (in umihara's case, everything with the fishing line). Supers are performed by hitting three buttons at the same time + a direction. It's really easy to get into, but I got destroyed by the Japanese players, so I think that's a good indication that there's a decent skill ceiling.

>>4313234
So basically blazblue with a shortcut for supers.

Judging the skill ceiling in a fighting game this early is pretty difficult. You can beat people in the early game with just fundamentals. before everyone figures out their game.
I doubt the game will be balanced since I don't think they've ever made a fighting game before but it'll be fun to mess around and find tech. That's what I'm going to do since I know 0 people I know will actually play this with me.

Does Kawase play like in her games or like Hazama or just certain moves move you a certain way and you can't influence it?

>>4313256
They did make Blade Arcus before, but I never got to check that one out.

Kawase's moves are indeed set moves, but you do have influence on how far they go, cancelling them, etc. I found it pretty fun to cover the entire stage (both horizontally and vertically) with her. Playing with 2 kawases is especially fun.

>>4311334
It doesn't necessarily need to be in English.

>>4310827
Depends on the game

>>4313517
kintyorru's channel on YouTube is pretty good, he's the best player I've seen.

>>4313679
>小学校時代の川背ちゃん。
>that rack

Come on.

>>4313776
She's an eary bloomer.

>>4313805
I mwant to say early but I'm drunk and phoneposting, sorry

>>4313965

>>4314109

Has anyone ever found either of the official artbooks in the wild? I've surfed ebay and yahoo auctions for years trying to find a copy of one, but it's mostly just strategy guides.

>>4314109

She could poke someone's eyes out with those nipples.

Another shit general to hide. Fuck this underage autism.

>>4315232
You should play them, anon

>>4312646
>switch
Like they want it to fail. Devs that are Nintendofanboys deserve all the misery they get

>>4315793
Publishers, anon

The only reason there's whole generals for this game is that it stars an anime girl

>>4315982
but there are tons of games starring cute anime girls that don't get nearly as much attention and discussion.
the only reason there's whole generals for this game is that it has appealing aesthetics and nuanced gameplay.

>>4315107
I got mine a few months ago for ~2000 yen, here's what's in it if you're interested
https://imgur.com/a/Ouxk5

>>4315232
But anon that's the whole reason I come here

>>4316060
oh damn it has storyboards for the animated scene? now I really need it

>>4315974
Didn't the original authors go bankrupt? Isn't the IP public domain?

>>4317337
Agatsuma went under but I'm pretty sure Studio Saizensen owns the IP themselves now.

>>4317337
The original devs (studio saizensen) still have the series, it's still the same two guys. Agatsuma was just a publisher.

>>4317337
>>4317691
>>4317823
It's really kind of irritating how agatsuma acted like it was their game. They were the publisher for sayonara, sure, but the only game they had any part in development for was when they made the awful psp port without the original devs.

>>4317826
that's just the nature of being a publisher

>>4311685
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k86PikgwDLw
related

how do devs even survive making a single game every 10 years? ports obviously don't count

>>4316060
>does this look like the face of mercy.jpg

>>4318413
They made Code of Princess and some random licensed games too I think

>>4317826
The PSP port was made by Marvelous, not Agatsuma.

>>4319736
In that case I've got nothing

What do you want in the new umihara game?

I think having a level editor would be cool.

>>4320927
yeah level editor would be nice

games were ported to PC so it should be easy. even Rabi Ribi has an editor now, they have no excuses

>>4320927
Make it feel unique

>>4310021
In BC you can shoot your hand only up, 45° and forward. In Umihara you can throw a hook on any of 360°.

>>4320927
I'd like it to have a bit more visual polish than the last game. It would be nice if they went back to sprites.

>>4315107
is this official art

>>4320927
level editor would be awesome with level sharing too (codes or an in built search system). I would also like the drawing style look that was in shun.

There was a stream with the artist of the games a while ago and he said both of those would be too much work unfortunately.

Hopefully no more trampolines.

>>4322615
Really? Was the stream recorded? I'd love to see that if you have a link.

Also how the fuck is hand-drawn art more work than 3D?

>>4322781
Because animating everything requires you to redraw it all unless you do puppet style movement which often looks really bad. So it's really time consuming especially for one guy.

the link for the stream is https://www.twitch tv/videos/132164326

>>4322908
That's a good point. But if it's Umihara, I wish I could pay extra to give then what they need to put as much love into the game as possible.

Thanks for the link, too.

Seeing the beta image thread reminded me of this, a few pics of Shun from 1996 when it was still supposed to be a remake.

Is there any way to view the full animated cutscene in Shun (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I2v2b5RNRI)) or is it really only played on that tiny TV screen Kawase is watching after you complete the game?

>>4327201
It's rendered to that angle. The full screen version is from a bonus DVD that came with the game's soundtrack CD.

>>4329280
>It's rendered to that angle.
wow, it's pretty ridiculous they went to that much trouble for something like that

Watching Arino play this was super comfy. Still one of my favourite episodes.

>>4329782
Properly rendered intro would probably take up too much space

I wonder if they just have the intro laying around somewhere. Anyone wanna try asking?

>>4331031
I'm pretty sure the Shun artbook says that Kondou has the VHS tape of the intro at his house (either that or company, it literally says house in Japanese tho), so might be worth a try

>>4312351
What in the fuck is this?

If anyone recalls that website with the Shun walkthrough (complete with hand-drawn instructions), I mirrored it a bit ago.
https://kurouri.neocities.org/~akfy/

Most (if not all) of the text is in Japanese though. I'm an EOP with no hope of translating it.

not enough unlockable to keep me intersted.
I don't know why, but the controls don't click with me with this game, despite being the kind of games I should like. There is something too floaty and random about them, despite being actually precise.

These threads never seem to last long.

>>4333615
this is awesome, thanks for posting!

Best addition to my SNES Classic

>>4333736
>There is something too floaty and random about them

Are you playing Sayonara? This isn't issue in the first two games

>>4335062
The 3D one on PC.

>>4320927
Full 3D gameplay.

>>4335105
Try any of the other two, their physics is pretty much the same so it doesn't matter which you get. Thing it's much more realistic and as a long time fan of the series I don't enjoy the 3D one that much either.

>>4320927
>in the new umihara game
?

>>4335151
>>4312646

I actually managed to nab a copy of shun so I'm going to get more serious trying to beat it

I never actually beat the first one though I managed to get to the last level of the smallest route I believe

Any tips bros? I really love these games but it gets too hard by the later routes

>>4335230
experiment with the physics until you get it. other than that just practice. maybe watch others play to see the techniques they use.

>>4335181
maybe it's for that fighting game?

>>4335421
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR they're releasing a new game right after the fighting game, and she's in the fighting game to draw in new fans.
You know, like how Smash Bros always does with their obscure characters.

I never knew there were PC ports of these games.

Are the steam versions of the original and Shun just emulations? Do they run at all better than on the original hardware?

>>4335501
>You know, like how Smash Bros always does with their obscure characters.
if only

>>4335507
I heard shun runs a bit worse but I haven't noticed anything myself. the biggest change is that they give you continues in shun now. the original and sayonara are the same as the vita versions

>>4335123
it would never work

>>4335732
Sure it could. The controls are obviously the main hurdle, but it'd be possible.

I don't want it that bad, the series is fine as it is, I just played Grow Home recently and it felt a little like a 3D Kawase game without a grappling hook.

What's the difference between the two PS1 versions of Umihara Kawase? Is there any reason to own BOTH? thankfully these games are so hard the prices aren't crazy. I think they'll always be pretty cheap due to being so inaccessible to normalfags. If it were a shmup on the other hand...

>>4336262
The first one has commercials (yes, commercials) while the second got illustrations inbetween levels instead plus 3 new fields. Those 3 fields are no shit the most difficult bullshit fields in the whole series. Other than that they are the same.

How does Shun save your scores?

I seem to have the score saved from the first time I played, but it didn't save anything from my last session

Is it automatic or did I press some random jap runes in some menu to save the game?

>>4336286
BUT those commercials are voice acted with cute little animations of Umihara. I think they're adorable and actually prefer them to the random illustrations.

Nice way to handle cutscenes to give the player a break, I think.

>>4337462
Has anyone uploaded those to Youtube? I've never played the original version of Shun.

>>4337429
Maybe the high score gets saved along the replays? That's the only thing I can think of.

I don't think it saves in any of the later versions.

>>4337670
There you go, couldn't really get higher quality from ePSXe.

https://youtu.be/z4nU1HtpXfo

Does Shun First Edition also have some timing rule? I just cleared stage 47 in 17 minutes and the credits rolled

Did I actually manage to beat a route?

Does Shun First Edition also have some timing rule? I just cleared stage 43 in 17 minutes and the credits rolled

Did I actually manage to beat a route?

>>4338370
Congrats you did beat a standard route. There's actually no early ending in Shun. (just a very mean loops to F0).

Although I always found it weird they decided to end it at 43 when it would be such a smooth continuity from there to 44.

>>4338375
FUCK YES I'M SO HAPPY RIGHT NOW
I've been trying for years to beat any route, be it in the first game, this one or second edition. Feels fucking good mang.

By the way, is there no route map for Shun first edition on the internets? I only seem to be finding it for the other games

>>4338380
I suppose you found the map for Steam version which doesn't really differ that much so I wouldn't be too worried about using it for the first edition.

>>4338389
This one?
So is it safe to follow it?

>>4320927
>>4320991
>>4322615
the SNES version has a level editor

>>4338685
Yes, just ignore the fields 16, 17, 26, 49, 40, 56, 57, 58, 61, 62, 63. These are only in the later versions.

>>4339496
Alright thanks buddy

I wonder if I should just make my own Shun 1st Edition chart, assuming your info is 100% correct

Might be useful for someone

>>4311635

That milk she has comes from her own tits.

>>4309826
She's getting her own fighting game, you know

>>4341848
It's prretty fun

bump

>>4340013
If would probably be better to simply denote DS and Second Edition fields with different colors, similar to how the boss fields are colored.

56 57 58 are SE exclusives while all the other including 56-58 are in DS version

>>4311695
Excellent clip, I just wish you used the original for this, not the PS1 sequel.

>>4336262
>shmups
>accessible to normalfags
Anon...

I've heard bad things about the Steam port of Shun. Should I just use a PS1 emulator instead?

>>4348474
The Steam port has all the stages from every version of Shun, but no cute pictures or FMV ads and the credits song is instrumental for some reason. Besides that it's alright

>>4348770
>the credits song is instrumental for some reason
Licensing rights in japan are a nightmare
Especially when Shun alone has gone through god knows how many publishers

>>4349621
Weird they kept it in DS version which was released about 10 years after the original.

You wouldn't really expect it to be such a hassle to have in the Steam port if they didn't mind putting it there.

im too poor to play any of these on real hardware except for the 3ds/vita entry

is it acceptable to play the first game via emulation on wii , and shun on psp/vita?

>>4351083
>is it acceptable to play the first game via emulation on wii
sure
>and shun on psp/vita
no, the psp port is a buggy mess, just emulate

So which one do you think is better, SNES Umihara or Shun?

>>4351083
Actually, you can play the best versions of all three on vita.
>first game is bundled free with sayonara umihara kawase, and includes a bonus training mode
>shun 2nd edition (not the psp game, ignore the anon above) is available on PSN as a PS1 classic
>sayonara is leagues ahead of the 3ds game

>>4351590
I love them both for different reasons. I think I've played a lot more of Shun overall though.

But my favorite stage is the upside-down field in the snes game.

>>4351612
Not to mention the added bonus of playing shun on the beautiful OLED and getting to use the vita d-pad.

>>4351613
not as nice as playing on a crt with the og stickless ps1 controller

Fun fact, PSP version has 3 original levels.

This was one of them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3ilfHAQMI

Fuck Umihara and fuck those last levels

>>4356732
>Fuck Umihara
I wish

>>4312646
>http://www.siliconera.com/2017/09/22/new-title-umihara-kawase-series-headed-nintendo-switch/

Woah, I can't believe I didn't hear about this before.
I'm so fucking hyped.

>>4356762
>you will never tie umihara up with her own fishing line
>you will never accidentally push her off a platform and spend like an hour desperately trying to figure out how to pull her back up as she gradually slips lower and lower into the sea and you have to restart the stage

>>4356762

She would squash your head into pieces with her tits.

>>4358702
I wish

How do I get good at these games?
I'm trying to figure out the physics but the press-down-to-reel-in fucks me up. Guess i'll just have to get used to it

>>4359557
Take a break and then play again the next day

Weird advice, but it worked for me and a lot of other people. It just clicks all of a sudden. Also don't try and use left and right for pendulum movements. It's up and down.

SNES or Shun?

>>4359827
I prefer Shun but regularly play both.

>>4359827
Snes

FUCK YES

>>4359654
>up and down
>for pendulum movements
Are you retarded?

>>4360203
Hey, that's how the game works.

>>4360252
Do you even know what pendulum movement means? It can't be achieved by reeling in and out, because that's moving in a vertical plane.

>>4360260
Why do you think I had to specifically mention it's not "left and right?"

Also reeling in and out increases movement speed. You need to align it with your horizontal movement.

>>4360264
>You need to align it with your horizontal movement
That's not the same as saying "don't try and use left and right for pendulum movements". You are aware that to have horizontal movement, you need to use the left and right arrows, right?

>>4360267
You don't use the left and right arrows during the actual swing though.

>>4360268
You're legit stupid, I'm stopping this conversation as it's a waste of time.

>>4360260
>It can't be achieved by reeling in and out, because that's moving in a vertical plane.
Try playing the game first, you spastic retard.

>>4360291
To get from image 1 to image 2, you need to use the right arrow, you drooling fucking moron.

>>4360317
You really do not. Have you even played the game?

>>4360317
No you don't

>>4360317
Of course you need to use left and right to walk around in the game, it's not a pendulum movement, though, you perform it in the 3rd image by pressing down in the 2nd, shit for brains.

>>4360050

What is this?

>>4360354
Looks like there's a special plus plus edition coming out as a vita exclusive. Physical worldwide release.

https://twitter.com/realstrictlyltd/status/924373018884952065

>>4360317
So this is the guy who complains about the controls and the game being too hard

>>4360481
He is retarded, but make no mistake - the controls of the game take a lot of time to get used to, and that's not a good sign.

>>4360478
Whoa, is there more info on this?

Hope it's not yet another port with 3 new levels.

>>4360515
The game's already on the vita, this is just a plus version. I think it's more of an excuse for a physical release in the west, but I'm excited for anything nee.

If you want an entirely new game, they announced one for thr switch.

>>4360513
I agree they take some getting used to, but I also legit think they're the best controls I've ever used in a 2D platformer. When it'a satisfying just to move around you know you did something right.

>>4360541
Honestly, I've been playing this game for almost two weeks, and while I know what I need to input to do certain maneuvres, I'm still having a lot of trouble. I'm certainly better than I was when I first started playing, but still.

>>4360513
Not a good sign of what?

>>4360564
Not a good sign when it comes to the controls. If someone can't get used to the controls in a few minutes, it doesn't mean that the controls are bad. If it takes a few days, it doesn't mean it's bad either, but I've been playing this game for 2 weeks and I still am struggling with most of the maneuvres. I've had an easier time with Dwarf Fortress, and that's saying a lot.

>>4360570
I guess it depends on the person. I played it once for about an hour and couldn't get the hang of it. Then I played it the next day and all of a sudden thinfs started clicking.

Maybe the problem is that you're trying to focus on specific maneuvers instead of just enjoying the game? Most things come naturally, and by the time you actually need any specific maneuvers, you've probably either figured them out by chance or can come up with your own way to beat the level.

The thing that makes Umihara so good to me is that there'a no one right answer as to how to approach the game and its stages. It's just such a freeing experience from start to finish.

Maybe try out one of the other titles, and play through the easier levels on them too.

>>4360584
I've tried the PS1 title just today, I extremely dislike the graphics, and while I haven't seen all the floors yet, the design is really inferior in comparison to the SNES title, not to mention the OST too.

>>4360595
That I'll just have to disagree on. Shun is one of the most beautiful games I've ever played. Those hand-drawn graphics are really something.

I love the music, too.

>>4360602
The graphics in the original game are much better.

>>4360570
But the game is the maneuvres. You've already learned the controls, what you're doing now is getting better at the game itself, right? It's just different because most games let you progress and do various stuff and gradually get better, whereas UK is "get better or be stuck here forever".

>>4360570
Look how long it takes to get good with rope skills on worms Armageddon. Rope swing always is difficult to get used to

>>4360764
>Look how long it takes to get good with rope skills on worms Armageddon
Not a lot of time. The rope in every other game I played is easy to get used to, Umihara Kawase's control scheme is so convoluted that it's jarring. No wonder it's an unknown game.

>>4360478
>strictly limited
Oh boy, another physical I'll miss due to it sellng out in ten minutes.

>>4360203
>>4360260
>>4360267
>>4360270
>>4360317
>Played the game once and thinks he's an expert

>>4360513
>>4360570
I disagree, the controls are simple. But mastering the game mechanics takes time and it's very rewarding when you figure out how to skip most of a level with good swings. the game shows you basically all you /need/ to finish the game, but creating faster, more efficient or more stylish routes is down to your experimentation and understanding.

>>4361152
What you're saying would be alright if it was correct - that you needed to master the mechanics to beat the level faster by using shortcuts. What's correct, instead, is that you can't beat the game normally (without using shortcuts), without mastering the convoluted mechanics completely.

>>4361380
You can beat most levels using the stuff they teach you. and the easiest levels are the most straightforward exits. there are multiple ending doors so you can beat the game if you just get used to it, not even mastering it. I've beaten every stage in sayonara and almost every stage in SNES and I still don't know all the things you can do with the physics.

There's even a stage that only appears after 30 minutes of play that is an ending door so you can finish the game without going through a full route.

You don't need to be amazing to beat the game. And I don't agree that the mechanics are convoluted either. it's just hard to wrap your head around at first but when you get it, you don't even need to think about the execution anymore.

>>4361408
>You can beat most levels using the stuff they teach you
The keyword being "most". Certain levels are too hard if you haven't mastered the various tricks, not to mention randomly spawning enemies out of nowhere that can kill you are annoying as all hell, the person who thought of that mechanic should be punched.
>There's even a stage that only appears after 30 minutes of play that is an ending door so you can finish the game without going through a full route.
Elaborate

>>4361419
No shit. Those levels come at the later end of the game though so it's not like you haven't had the chance to get to grips with it. You wouldn't argue that you should be able to beat any Mario level without learning how to jump.
They expected you to get good eventually so they put in levels that are interesting for good players. Besides there are easy mode routes too.

>Elaborate
I just told you everything.
play for 30 minutes, go into a door, you go to field 28, get to the door, credits

>>4361435
>You wouldn't argue that you should be able to beat any Mario level without learning how to jump.
Excepting executing a command with one button is not the same as executing a command with a specific, convoluted combination of buttons, you fucking retard.
>They expected you to get good eventually
They expect you to master the game completely like you're some autist who only plays one game until he knows how to beat it with closed eyes.
Umihara Kawase is a neat concept, but it's badly executed, and all that needs to be done to fix it completely is to make it so that you reel in with the up arrow, and not the down arrow, just like every other fucking video game did it (read: Worms Armageddon and others). I'm not turned down by a game if you need some time to get used to the mechanics, but after playing the game so much by now (I've put god knows how many hours into it), I still get fucked.
>there are easy mode routes too
Like?

>>4361446
wow button + down is so hard. I bet you get angry at DP motions in fighting games too.
Pressing up to reel in only makes sense if you're attaching exclusively to ceilings like in worms. down works better with horizontal and downward directions. and making you switch would be more confusing. The game isn't badly executed. If you're so mentally stubborn that you can't adjust to pressing a different button than other games then that's your fault (especially after claiming to have played it for untold numbers of hours).
Again you don't need to be amazing to beat the game. the shortest route is only 6 fields. The game isn't made so you beat it then move on with your life. Hence multiple routes and exits and harder stages at the ends. You play it if you like the gameplay, and by doing so you get better over time. if not then play something else.

>>4361446
>Umihara Kawase is a neat concept, but it's badly executed, and all that needs to be done to fix it completely is to make it so that you reel in with the up arrow
lol, imagine being so hung up on your own misunderstanding of a game's mechanics

>>4361446
Pushing Up makes sense if you climb the rope, Down makes sense if you reel in.
The original Umihara Kawase isn't that hard, Shun however have some complete bullshit levels on the Second Edition.

>>4361494
>>4361512
We're not arguing about what's logical or not, this is a fucking video game, the controls should be the ones that are the most comfortable and logical for the players, the logic of the game itself should not be taken into account, it's even funnier talking like that about Umihara Kawase, a game where you're a highschool girl traversing surreal landscapes with your fishing hook.

>>4361519
>We're not arguing about what's logical
>The controls should be logical for the player
Did you even think about what you said?

>>4361519
it makes intuitive sense to literally everyone else but you.
I'm sorry for your autism, but you can't expect people to agree when you call a game shit based on your own misconceptions.

>>4361519
Do you whine too when you play Ace Combat or whatever?

>>4361528
Controls based on video game logic (logic of video games looked through the prism of our own existence) =/= controls based on logic inside the video game (logic that's inside the game itself, ignoring our own existence and what would be more comfortable to us)
Seeing you unable to discern these two makes me worried about your intelligence. To explain further to you, brainlet, here's an example:
Let's say I want to make a video game with specific mechanic related to building places.
>Controls based on video game logic (logic of video games looked through the prism of our own existence)
I would make controls less realistic in a sense that it's not realistic when compared to our own existence, but it makes sense, so to say, in a video game logic kind of way (a better example for this would be the supporting cast selling items to you in a RPG, it's video game logic, but if we applied the logic of our own world, the merchant would give away items for free since he'd want you to win at all costs).
>controls based on logic inside the video game (logic that's inside the game itself, ignoring our own existence and what would be more comfortable to us)
The controls would make a lot of sense when compared to the design of the game, but from the point of view of our own existence, the point of "video game logic", it would be unorthodox and hard to grasp.
More concrete examples:
>the former
You build by picking certain items and placing them, all with a left click.
>the latter
You build by inputting a complex sequence of buttons that lead from the gathering of material, over adapting it, to putting it in place.

>>4361519
>the controls should be the ones that are the most comfortable and logical for the players

I bet you have a hard time with flying games too. WTF why do I have to push up to go down?

>>4361741
I like how you assumed I didn't understand what you were saying even though you didn't understand that I was always talking about intuitiveness rather than internal logic. Which you used the same word for. Dumb cunt.

>>4361741
Maybe avoid calling someone a brainlet when you have trouble with simple controls.

>>4361446
But there's only one button to jump and one button to fish, anon

>>4361741
>jump
>shoot the line downwards
>hook onto a surface on a different platform below you
>press down to DECREASE slack and reel in
>move downwards

The current control scheme is the only one that makes consistent sense and your complaints are following a complete misunderstanding of how the game works.

>>4361920
The problem appears when you're hooking onto a surface that's above you, you fucking retard.

>>4362312
In this case, should you press up or down? What about when you're on top of the platform?

>>4362352
You press right obvously.

>>4362312
>>4362509
Congratulations, you invented a control scheme that not only makes no fucking sense, but also breaks an essential mechanic of the game (being able to shift weight while hooked on to something).

Anyone know where I can buy this thing?

>>4362509
>hook onto the floor to your right
>press right
>you reel in, move slower, and now can no longer run to your right because it's automatically reeling in
>want to run back for momentum
>too bad, the arrows now arbitrarily control the fishing rod
Good job anon

Sorry about that guys, my stupid little brother was using my computer. Ever since he started taking these common core math classes he hasn't been able to understand simple shit like up and down.

Umihara's controls are just fine.

>>4362619
An Umihara keyring would be a good idea.

>>4362352
Are you baiting me or are you being serious? You're obviously making a fool of yourself, proving him right. Of course you should press up, it's way more logical for a video game.

>>4363142
>You're obviously making a fool of yourself, proving him right.
lol nice try, we know it's still you

>>4362619
It's a garage kit, you'll probably never find it.

bumpu

>>4365286
I'd drive that.

I can't believe I managed to beat 3 routes in Vanilla Shun, I'm so happy bros

Fields 43, 30, 55

Am I missing any other end field?

>>4370410
There's an ending on field 52 as well.
Here's a chart of all possible routes in vanilla Shun.

>>4370943
Thanks man
Am I seeing this wrong or there is really no way to go to field 52 without passing through field 9?
I hate waiting around for that shit, I don't get why they repeated that boss when it was already so dumb in the SNES game.

>>4371834
You can go straight to the door in Shun, just wallclimb the right part and swing your way up there.

You can climb from the right after the backpack as well.

>>4371895
Oh fuck yes

>>4365286
The only giant metal death trap I'd die in