/vr/ - Retro Games

used to be ok now it's outdated

Wiii>OG Xbox>Psp>Pi

While it’s fair to argue:
Wii<Psp<Og xbox<Pi

The Wii's huge advantage is that it can easily do 240p like actual retro game consoles. The Xbox is a little more powerful than Wii and it shows when it does N64 or Neo Geo (or certain arcade) games but it's pretty much impossible to get it to do 240p.

>>4327838
My main issue with the Xbox is that it's a hassle to get files onto it. You're supposed to use ftp, but I don't have an ethernet connection nearby, and I don't want to buy a wireless adapter or drag my laptop over to it.

Idk how it compares to a wii performance-wise, but a wii is much more comfortable to use overall. Better controllers, better guis, sd cards/usb/wireless, easier to hack.

The OG Xbox can't do 240p and the controllers are a little clunky for retro games, but otherwise it's about on par with the only area it actually trumps the Wii being arcade support.

>Also what about obsolete emulation platforms like PS1, PS2, Dreamcast, and Gamecube? Is there any reason to unironically use these?

No idea about PS1, PS2 has a couple of decent emus but they're all a headache to use without a native filesystem, I remember having to burn DVDs and have a constant block on my memory card back in the day. Dreamcast has the same problem but a surprisingly good NES emu in NesterDC and a good Neo Geo emu in Neo4All.

>What about the NES emulator in the N64 everdrive? How accurate is it?

Surprisingly very good, the only inaccuracy I noticed was sound - the drum channel in certain games sounds a little strange.

>What about the PS3 and Xbox360? They are much more powerful than Wii and can still plug into CRTVs. Why does no one ever talk about them?

Neither can do 240p and neither can be softmodded, not anymore at least. A hacked PS3 is really good to have though, lots of homebrew and obviously supports a hell of a lot natively.

>>4327930
pc>all that old trash

>>4327947
Controller adapters for Xbox are very easy to find and work surprisingly well. I used one with a Dualshock and it worked flawlessly.

>>4327947
But the Wii carries with it the stench of normiedom and this makes it uncomfy to emulate on.
I mean, they designed it with a friccken REMOTE instead of a controller and every software function is called a CHANNEL in order to appeal to the mindless drones who watch TV all day.

>>4327838
works fine. it's my main emulation machine. i only use the wii for GC.

retroarch is going to be updated again
https://twitter.com/libretro/status/908460167309725702

>>4327930
The PSP could emulate everything the Wii could except actually play PSX games.

>>4327930
PSP> OG Xbox > Pi > Wii

Though everything played through the Xbox is unplayable due to it's awful controller.

>>4328041
how does it compare to standalone emulators? i only tried retroarch on the ps3 and i fucked hated it.

>>4327947
Crossover cable might work, but it's probably not worth the effort.

FTP on the Xbox was always wonky for me. It would connect fine but it wouldn't automatically list the drives for some reason. Then there's the fact that FTP is insanely slow when you have lots of small files.

When I did it Xbox modding in general seemed like a complete clusterfuck.

>every resource extremely dated and/or incomplete
>no consensus on what the best modding method is
>we can't tell you what to do because we're scared of MS
>we can't host the files anywhere either because we're scared of MS
>all the files you need are on some private FTP server
>you have to ping some bot on IRC for credentials

I wound up copying some squeaky voiced kid on YouTube who was literally doing it in his mom's basement.

Haven't been able to get a good signal using component either; the picture shows but it's covered in noise. I've heard conflicting things about the reason for this. Either it's a specific motherboard revision that causes it or it's extremely shitty cables sold everywhere.

And apparently most motherboard revisions have some leaky battery that will eventually destroy the system that needs to be removed.

I don't mind a bit of tinkering but the OG Xbox is such a hassle.

>>4328042
Emulators on the PSP are shit though.

>>4328056
the stand alone emulators are good, i've never tried retroarch on the xbox because im waiting for the update

>>4328045
Littlehanded faggot spotted.

Save the xboxes for xbox games and just get a wii or a raspi for homebrew and emulating.

>>4327838
Dude, just get a decent PC. All these meming fucks recommending a wii or a raspberry pi are literal retards. The only reason to play on those is if you want to use a CRT, which I doubt.

>>4328145
Not the same fag but i have tiny hands and love the duke. Even as a kid i loved it. Being ham handed isnt a prerequisite to enjoy the D.

>>4328306
Ham handed =/= large handed

>>4328289

>which I doubt

Have you never entered a battlestation thread or CRT General? It's not hard to see the vast majority of this place have at least one CRT. Then again you sound like you have literally no idea what you're talking about, thinking you can hook up a Pi to a CRT any easier.

>>4328032
All these objections simply make my penis harder.

>>4328316
Pi literally has composite output right there on the fucking board, anon.

A couple of lines of code changed and you have progressive 15khz output too.

>>4328348

Yeah but come on, who the fuck is using composite? The quality from the board isn't acceptable at all, has a audible buzz and all manner of noise. If you're set on using a Pi you're going to get the extra stuff you need for a decent picture.

RPi is garbage.

PSP is only chosen for mobile emulation, it has no redeeming factors beyond being portable.

Wii is god tier for emulation of 8 and 16 bit consoles with 240p analog output.

Xbox is basically RPi level trash.

>>4328042
Are you retarded?
You can barely play N64 on the psp. Hell the wii has the added benefit of n64 full speed(mostly) + gamecube + not playing it on a tiny screen.

>>4327838
It's basically a Pentium 3 PC with a Geforce 3
The Pi3 is probably faster

>>4327838
hueg xbox sucks for emulation, nail one it doesnt do anything below 480p, nail two the loading times for roms above 40mb are long, final nail ITS HUEG

>>4327838
No 240p support. Trash.

>>4328045
>Though everything played through the Xbox is unplayable due to it's awful controller.
Let me guess, you're a baby hands gamecube controller autist

The Duke is a pretty shit controller for retro. Okay for FPS games and the likes.
Why do people on /vr/ defend it so hard?

>>4327838
the wii is the best bet for everything <5th gen. Does 240p via RGB/component, and the emulators are very optimized for the system compared to any other console emulation.

the xbox can't do 240p but is a 100x times better with playing arcade games than the wii. The load times are shit too if you're using the stock HDD. But it does have the benefit of having usb controller ports and accessibility of installing frontends that start on boot.

either way you should still pick up both of them, they're the two most impressive softmodded consoles.

>>4328805
If you say that you use the Duke, it implies that you have big hands, which one could extrapolate into implying you have a big penis.

>>4328970
Unless you're a normie/dumbass, on /vr/ you're either a wizard or autistic fuck, or both, who don't care about normie shit like benis size.
Also, Duke is a pretty average size controller for average hands, not big hands. I was a kid, I didn't have any problems using it.

>>4327838
>Also, about the Xbox capacitor leakage that ruins the motherboard. Does it happen only if you power on the Xbox and play it or can this also happen to Xboxes sitting in storage unused? I have spare Xboxes and I want to know if it is urgent to recap them or I can wait until I actually mod them.

I have 3 here and couldn't see any signs of damage in the one I have open, don't even know what model it is, or where to find the time caps to cut them out.

>>4327838
Get an older video card with Video-S out or something, can use any PC then.

>>4329134
S-Video and composite outs on video cards also don't support 240p

Can someone tell me a bit about Wii emulation? If I were to pick up any old used Wii, could I turn it into an emulation machine? What systems can it reliably emulate? Is it hard to hack?

>>4329452
It's monkey easy to hack and it emulates damn near everything through 4th gen well including retro computers. The mini Wiis don't work for modding since they don't even have a home screen and you'll probably want to get one that has Gamecube ports because they're easier to use for controllers than the USB ports and they don't have the fairly big wireless lag the classic controllers suffer from

>>4329460
Does the firmware matter or would any Wii do?

>>4329501
All revisions can be easily modded with the letterbomb exploit. Newer ones will need to be manually rolled back to run Wii and Gamecube games from USB/SD though.

>>4329408
Except they do.
Composite and S-Video on old cards, VGA even on newer cards. 240p works fine with most cards if you know how to make them display it.

>>4329529
It works fine from the VGA port with the right drivers, it's basically impossible out of S-Video or Composite ports.

>>4328062
I've hack just about every system that is hackable and the OG Xbox is a fucking pain in the ass to hack. I'm not an idiot when it comes to this stuff and I still spent many many hours getting everything set up (tsop level).

Wii hacking provides much better utility over OG Xbox.

>>4329129
That's an Xbox 1.6, needs the clock capacitor installed to run and isn't as prone to leaking, so leave it. For older versions you do want to rip it off, you can check the version by comparing serial number http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=367210&seqNum=2

>>4329529
How do you make them display it then?

>>4328289
>The only reason to play on those is if you want to use a CRT
But you can play on a RGB CRT from a PC, so there is absolutley no reason to not emulate on a PC

>>4329129
you have a 1.6 board. The clock cap is only an issue on Revisions 1.0-1.5

https://www.reddit.com/r/originalxbox/wiki/clock_capacitor

>tfw modded original Xbox died a month ago
>stuck with using an Ouya for TV emulation at the moment
I've thought about getting a Wii for emulation shit but I've seen those randomly crash on people from time to time, plus the gamecube controller is pretty awful for emulating old 2D games. I mean sure you could get some wiimotes and classic controllers but that's also a pain.

I still can't believe there isn't a more modern TV emulator box that doesn't require a lot of fucking about to make work, and I don't think the Pi counts because last time I checked that requires a lot of fucking around to make work along with plugging it into a computer to edit .ini files to set up controllers.

>>4330286
Just buy any old laptop with display port or HDMI out, or chrome cast your phone, though that'll add latency.

>>4330436
I was actually considering getting a little stick PC or one of those little babby ones and installing a shell into it. I kinda wish there was some documentation on this specific thing I'm looking in to.

>>4330437
Those aren't worth shit, and would be too limited on USB ports, also too slow for gamecube/PS2 emulation

>>4330438
I'm not actually too interested in emulation for those. Like I said, I'm looking for something really specific.
That being said, yeah I might just grab an old laptop or something, though not sure what'd be a choice there, I know laptops have a tendency to get really fucking hot.

ArcadeVGA card with converter to CRT

>>4330440
You just have to clean any machine you get and apply fresh thermal paste, it also becomes a mobile emulation system as well.

>>4330443
I do have another issue though: space, laptops can be a little on the wide side and I'd like to keep whatever I get tucked into my little entertainment center, and it'd be kinda shitty to stow a laptop into my entertainment and have to open it up to boot it up and then awkwardly stuff it back in there.

Is building a HTPC out of the question?

>>4330446
Sorry, meant that previous post to go at you.

If you can afford it, just build an HTPC with one of those remote on/off switches.

You can get some pretty nice cases that take up very little space but still allow a full sized GPU.

If you need to output to a CRT, Im pretty sure you can get a card that crt_emudriver supports or the ArcadeVGA card.

>>4330446
>>4330452
$400 for a super tiny GPUless AM4 ITX Box, can be upgraded to Raven Ridge in the future.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/F867tJ

>>4330458
If youre not afraid of buying used, you can get a pretty overkill build as far as CPU/Mobos go right now because everyone is selling their shit for CoffeeLake.

>>4330456
>>4330458
That all seems really overkill for wanting to play old NES games and super Metroid ROM hacks on my TV, anon.

>>4330461
Oh I thought you needed harder to emulate shit and output to CRT or somethin.

Just use a Wii then, anon.

>>4330465
I guess you're right, I just didn't really want to deal with wiimotes+classic controllers, and gamecube controllers are pretty bad for 2D games.

>>4330467
I think the Wii has a SNES style controller thats alright.

I know if you use Nintendont you can force some controllers to work through it.

>>4330461
Just buy an NES classic when they restock them and hack it if that's still a thing.

>>4330472
The emulation support for games is finicky with it, I thought?

Like only 60% of titles work or something

>>4330469
The other big thing for me is buying used consoles, especially Wiis, though that's a personal problem.
Fuck it I'm just gonna hold off and keep looking for options

>>4330472
That was another idea I toyed with too, but I know it's a bitch to get those.

>>4330474
Should just learn how to set up the raspberry pi.

>>4330476
Like I said earlier, the raspberry pi seems more in line with people who want to tinker rather than just play the damn game. Last time I checked you need to use ini files to set up controls and all other manner of bullshit

>>4330474

Honestly Anon, i think youre worrying too much. Your other options include a Vita TV and retroarch, overkill PC, flashcart for the original consoles (but space is an issue), hooking your laptop up and getting an app that lets you turn it on/off (sleep mode), or those classic console, or a raspberry pi.

>>4330476
RetroPi does the whole setup for you pretty much so there wouldnt be much to learn and its pretty easy if you want to go that route.

>>4330480
>Vita TV and retroarch
I forgot that was a thing. Don't Vita TVs have compatibility with PS3 controllers built in?

>>4330482
I believe so, and Playstation 4 controllers.

Home brewing it is pretty easy. Just buy one off of amazon, change the DNS server, update it, go to henkaku.xyz in the browser and run it.

After that, you FTP in to install your ROMs, etc. Its definitely not powerful enough for N64 though, but you get Sonys PSX emulator without the input lag the PS3 gets.

>>4330487
This might be the gadget I'm looking for, admittedly all I want to emulate is NES, SNES, gameboy shit, Genesis, and maybe playstation stuff.
Thanks for reminding me about this, anon, and you other guys dealing with my worrying and overthinking.

>>4330490
Good luck, you can add an external HDD to it and boot ROMs off of there. Just google it to find out how.

As long as you dont want shaders and shit then this is probably what you want. Youre safe buying one new from Amazon, I just bought one two weeks ago and it came at a version that wasnt past 3.60.

Reminder to NOT update yours past 3.60, so dont update yours at all when you get it. look at the VitaHacks reddit or wherever else for the guide on upgrading to 3.60 exactly.

It involves changing the DNS in your WiFi settings, thats all.

>>4330493
forgot to mention, you also get the bonus of playing PSP games and some Vita games I guess

>>4329506
Thats a lie though. the latest update 4.3 works fine with loading gamecube off sd/usb

>>4330490
Really wouldn't waste anything on a Vita TV man, too limited, go for the cheap used laptop

>>4330543
I'll be honest, I've never really considered going that route, what exactly should I keep in mind for something like this? Other than an HDMI output I guess.

>>4330557
That's literally it, Basically any machine can play older games. going full X86 just gives you way more options.

Get an old thinkpad for style points. Obviously faster CPU for the least money is best.

Newegg has refurbished stuff, this one's an i5 for under $150, just need display port to HDMI, but it also has VGA

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA5HA5UT0947

>>4330562
Oh it's only a dual core i5, still fine though

Hate intel's naming so much.

>>4330562
I'm a little hesitant about Lenovo stuff though, I know they've had a history of just flatout putting malware on their shit. I'll keep poking around and see what I can find.

>>4330562
>>4330563
2 cores 4 threads

>>4327838
unironically, if you want to emulate on the go use a psvita, and order your memory card from japan like a good boy who supports the game industry, and if you want to emulate at home just use like any windows laptop that was over 500 when it came out made anywhere in the last 10 years bro

>>4330565
Any old laptop is going to come from china or something, just wipe the hard drive and install whatever OS you want. Lenovo has nothing to do with these and thinkpads are like the most popular used laptops because they're tanks. There's an entire general on /g/ on them.

>>4330565
But ya you gotta look around, this one has a better CPU for not much more money

a newer i5 2520M

Passmark is only good for superficial performance looks
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=778&cmp[]=809

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834860244

the refurbished models of the original line of PS3s that had all the bells and whistles on the PS1 and PS2 software emulation are the best for authentically playing vagrant story and metal gear solid and other kino psx games in the highest def enhanced qualtiy better than the developers intended right

at least on flatscreen

Upon googling around it looks like pre-assembled pis are a thing as well. I assume retroarch runs well on these little things?
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=285-000N-00018

>>4330586

They do produce a good quality picture, particularly with PS2 stuff, but they're NOT the best for staying alive. Even a refurbished YLOD model is going to keep dying again and again, your only hope is replacing the glue like every week. Cool to have but not really worth the maintenance.

>>4330459
>people actually buying into Coffin Lake
good lord

>>4328062
>Haven't been able to get a good signal using component either; the picture shows but it's covered in noise. I've heard conflicting things about the reason for this. Either it's a specific motherboard revision that causes it or it's extremely shitty cables sold everywhere.
This is it anon, only OEM microsoft cables or monster cables have a decent signal, both of which are $40 plus

>>4330637
is this a consequence of that designed obsolescence that sony loves so much

If someone made a Atari 7800 emulator for the PS2, I would never need to buy another system again.

>>4331276
I can speak from experience when I say monsters are garbage. They do produce a good picture, but they're so tight that they can fuck up your TV's inputs.

>>4331276
Can confirm, the cheapo xbox component cables are absolute garbage.

>>4333846
>This pussy is garbage. It's too tight.

>>4333889
I honestly don't know why anyone wouldn't get oem. Microsoft produced so many especially of those HD Pack things they're everywhere.

>>4333905
Microsoft only sold them in NTSC regions, they're surprisingly hard to source elsewhere.

>>4329408
>S-Video and composite outs on video cards also don't support 240p
wrong

>>4333819
Yeah. but there is a 5200 one.

>>4334130
Please educate me then, I would sincerely like to know how to do it.

>>4333905
>Microsoft produced so many especially of those HD Pack things they're everywhere.
They never turn up around here and the cheapest one online would cost $40, even importing one from Japan would hit around that price. I want one but I'm currently using S-Video which is pretty nice still

You can actually run most N64 and PS1 games on the Xbox, unlike the Wii.

But if you have a Wii you can play most of the games that were released on all three systems from that gen, plus Wii games.

>>4333889
Fuck I just ordered cheap ones last week.

>>4327991
PS3 can still be softmodded as long as it's 3.55 or below.

>>4335487

Well it can but 3.55 was depreciated many years ago, it's extremely unlikely for anybody to just happen to be on 3.55 unlike their PS3 has been sat in storage for ten years.

>>4335360
Highly recommend AV Box for S-Video. Looks better than cheapo component cables by a mile

>>4335253
I remember PSX emu on Wii and it worked fine, used only for GT2 and Omega Boost but both were perfect as far as I remember.

>>4328032
Imagine trying this hard to fit in

>>4334136
you can output a 240p using crtemudriver if your card is compatible. and you can force 240p on a vga monitor by using a high refresh rate

>>4327947
>drag my laptop over to it
Jesus, how fucking lazy are you?

>>4328042
You clearly have never used the Wii or PSP for emulation. The Wii actually does 240p out and does it well with full speed emulation.

>>4337634
>240p
>i want more dead lines in my picture
Can we please stop this meme

>>4328289
this.
couldn't just get a convertor of HDMI to AV CABLES to plug on a TV?

>>4327838
>NOT RETRO

>>4337423
Please link for us the version of CRTemudriver you're using that allows x240@60 over an S-Video port.

>>4330286

Nvidia Shield TV is a straight up monster for emulation.

>>4337657
clearly b8

>>4338709
The problem is that it's android based, and all android based emulators have shitty sound delay.

>>4327838
>Also what about obsolete emulation platforms like PS1

PS1 had a bitchin NES emulator that ran full speed and was fairly flexible. Emulation of most games wasn't perfect of course, but it was a very cheap solution to play NES games in RGB with the closest feel to the real thing.

Why would anyone use an OG Xbox when you can get something small like a Shuttle PC (or any small PC) that can emulate better? Or better off put a PC in a gutted Xbox/360/One.

>>4339125
which one?

years ago I tried one on the psx of one cousin on San Diego in my aunts house, and it was one that had no GUI, just an everdrive style list and games with MMC3 mapper had graphical issues like Megaman 6, also tried Rockman no Constancy but that one run fine cause it was an MMC1 rom

>>4339272
>of one cousin on San Diego in my aunts house
Don't need a life story

>>4339272
ImbNES.

>>4339347
kill yourself holy shit, imagine being this rude all the time