/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4328171
best character over all id say is a four way tie between the chosen four
best NPC id have to say id be the mr. Saturns

>>4328193
>im really busy doing nothing, so dont talk to me
>i have no patience when people interrupt me when im doing nothing

the nurse with the thicc ass

>>4328204
That one's good too.

Dungeon Man

>>4328204
Hits too close to home.

>>4328216
its even better if you read it in Mr. T's voice like i did

>>4328210
dont you mean the elevator girl with the extra t h i c c thighs?

>>4328228
>Dungeon Man

Agreed.

>>4328228
>I built a bulletin without a message … Brick Road
>Old broken down submarine. Its yellow color is purely coincidental … Brick Road

>>4328235
>Stop staring
>whyboner.jpeg

>I heard there's a guy who stops to read each bulletin board he encounters. Then he says,"check-a-roony!" Is that you?

The pedophile who keeps taking pictures of kids while getting them to mention his hairy penis.

>>4329319
how did you know?

The photographer

>>4328171
was it autism?

>>4328235
>>4328210
Who now?

>>4331749
extra t h i c c

>>4331745
Pokey reminded me of my cousin. Whenever he died playing a game he would blame it on me and say that I was talking. Now he's a drunk.

>>4331778
well he ended up better than pokey at least

Can't believe thecsailor wasn't posted yet. I refrence this line to this day and will until I die, I love it.

>>4331761

I was personally drawn to the Jason looking guy, so much so that I made him my avatar when I hung around starmen.net 15 years ago.

>>4331818

The snowman in Magicant

>>4331818

Dungeon Man, I also like the The Forgotten Man from the NES Mother

>>4328171
man i wish there was an earthbound tv show.

>>4334539
Would be comfy. It's a sin that no OVA was made in the 90s.

>>4333454

The Flying Mans are pretty memorable too.

>>4334539

don't worry, I'm sure a horrible Netflix series will eventually be greenlit for the Tumblr crowd

>>4331818

DOWN WITH THE THICCNESS

For me it was always that punk ass orange kid

>>4334706
hey, at least he figured out how to unboil eggs

>>4334539
>>4334547
Itoi and Miyazaki are actually pretty good friends, Itoi wrote the tag lines for a lot of 80's and 90's Ghibli movies and even voices the father in the Japanese version of My Neighbor Totoro. I always dreamed of a Ghibli Mother film but both of them are older now and I'm sure if Ghibli was to even consider doing a video game Mother wouldn't be a top option.
>>4334695
Are you being retarded on purpose?

>>4328171
The black and white sesame seeds were the greatest love story of our generation.

>>4331745
No it was shitty parents

>>4335097
>yfw you see them in the "nostalgia corridor" on Mother 3

>>4331840
Why does he wear the mask?

>>4331952
I love how m3 has those too.

>>4333454
I'm agoraphobic that shit hit me hard. It was too real. The penguin pretending to be a monkey and peeping tom were great too.

>>4335104
Porkey is the true hero. He reunited the sesame seeds so they could be together forever. Ness just left them alone and went on his merry way.

>>4331840
I vaguely remember you if you were the main person using that guy as an avatar.

>>4328171
>most memorable

It has to be the Mr. Saturns, but these guys are a close second

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvU3dgir6xU

>>4335145
I was not a staff member if that's what you're thinking.

>>4331810
That's the sort of advice I like.

"Might as well take risks while you still can"

>>4331840
If i take that mask off will you die?

>>4334539
Whoa, look at Ness's fucked up limbs.

The translation for this game was so bad. There is a scene after you beat Mr. Carpainter and you head back to town. There is this kid on the side of the road and in the English version he says some crap like You beat up the kidnapper, you're my favorite. Meanwhile the Japanese version says Paula you kicked the nuts off that kidnapper, you're awesome. That's one example of a slight change in the translation, but there are plenty of place where they downright added things that weren't there or mistranslated things completely.

>>4335624
I was also pissed to find out that "Jackie's Cafe" is actually Borges' Bar in the original japanese.
I don't actually care about the cafe/bar change, but the original japanese bar owner being called Borges is obviously a reference to Jorge Luis Borges, which isn't surprising coming from Itoi.
Jackie is just a random name, why would they even change it?

>>4335624
>>4335630
There are still moments of brilliance in the localization though. One involves a weapon. When you defeat Master Barf in the Deep Darkness there is a 100% chance of him dropping a weapon for Ness. In Japanese it is just called the "Swing With All Your Might Bat" but the English version calls it the "Casey Bat" which is a refrence to the poem "Casey at the Bat". When you factor in the bat is immensely powerful but only has a 25% chance to hit makes it a clever refrence.

Not to say your point is mute but it is a pretty damn good translation for the time and holds up well.

>>4335693
>25 percent chance to hit
>casey missed 3 balls

>>4335538
No.
but you will.

what would have happened if buzz buzz never came?

>>4336110
Probably Starman Jr. would have killed Ness and Porky.

>>4336116
but if buzz buzz never came the starman jr wouldnt have come

>>4336132
I haven't played it in a while, Starman Jr adresses Buzz Buzz as if he knew him, right?
In that case, maybe Gyiyg would have follow suit with his silent invasion, and Ness would have never awakened his PSI powers.

>>4336160
id imagine giygas would just burn down all of onett trying to find ness, and he'd have to awaken his PSI and set off on his adventure on his own, but then we'd be getting into some AU shit

>>4335624
That's censorship dude. Not bad translation

>>4336165
Well without Porky does Giygas even win? I think everything changes entirely if neither Ness or Porky hear about the prophecy or whatever. Buzz Buzz basically creates the hero and the villain. Without Porky Giygas doesn't have access to certain things.

I don't think I explained that well but hopefully you get the gist of it.

>>4336392
i guess he could have just had the starmen use brute force and destroy everything, but i dont think that would have worked

what board would he browse?

>>4336490
/k/

>>4336490
/g/ /sci/ /diy/.... /hc/

>>4336490
/jp/

>>4336490

/diy/ /d/

>>4336601

>>4336357
that was one example i could think of off the top of my head out of countless different ones, there are things that aren't well translated and things that are outright added. theres even a dude online that compares both games and points out that it's not a great translation

>>4337737
i think his point was that what you mentioned were changed due to rating laws

did they hug?

>>4338193
fuck forgot pic

>>4336503
this is the only correct answer

>>4334539
nah. shit would get ruined.

>>4338195
>>4338193
yes.

>>4338193
>>4338195
On they did more than that... ;)

>>4338353
mooooooods

>>4338353

>>4338642
>>4338568
l-lewd

Giegue.

Goog. Gyiyg. Giygas.

>>4328171
Comrade NPC was clearly the best.

>>4339613
Figures that the club doesnt serve food

>>4339645

It serves turnips.

>>4338642
>>4338412
>>4338353
>>4338195
Pls post moar

>>4338098
no shit i can read thanks. the only things that were changed as far as censorship was religious and alcohol references

>>4340287
giygas had a hard life

>>4334773
>I'm sure if Ghibli was to even consider doing a video game Mother wouldn't be a top optio

There were 2 Ghibli videogames.

>>4340712

I actually really liked Giegue/Giygas and his backstory. Kinda ruins Earthbound a bit for me, especially after having played the fantastic fangame 'Cognitive Dissonance'.

>>4340865
what do you mean? i though earthbound did a good job with giygas.

>>4341010

Because it completely reduced this alien character that had been raised by humans, that clearly knew and still felt love (hence why he withdrew despite being unbeatable) and had all this mystery surrounding his people/what he really wanted.
In Earthbound, I felt that all that was built (albeit little, a lot of it is down to your own thought) in Mother 1 was kinda ruined by having become this mindless, faceless thing. Again, CogDis improved this angle by a lot (adding a theory as to why), but it still bothered me.

Anyway, it's just my crappy, subjective opinion. Earthbound was a phenomenal game.

>>4334773
>if Ghibli was to even consider doing a video game Mother wouldn't be a top option.

They made their own game. It was great in all aspects except for the actual gameplay, which is a disappointment

Satoru Iwata

>>4341086
well for me there was a lot of mystery of giygas in EB, throughout the whole game, giygas is built up as being the ultimate evil, a pure chaotic energy, so i really wondered what he turned into, what he has become, and when it was finally revealed, it turned out that he wast even aware of what hed become, so tortured by the loss of his adoptive mom that he turned into what he was, it was actually a really sad moment for me. in fact, based on his dialogue, it felt like he didnt even want to be doing this, he just wasnt able to control it. but yeah, i will admit, EB didnt really go all out with giygas, but i think thats because pokey really was the focus. sure, giygas is the top baddie, but pokey was the one who really stole the show, from abused child, to corrupt millionaire, to assisting the all powerful cosmic destroyer. (although it pissed me off how his story was watered down in the English translation)

now time for my shitty subjective opinion giygas's story was much sadder than the masked man's

>>4341210

That's pretty much how I ended up interpreting it. If you've ever played Mother: Cognitive Dissonance (which is one of my favourite games, definitely too-good for being a fangame), it stands as an in-between for Mother and Earthbound, showcasing how Giegue, regretting his loss and his actions, tries to rid himself of love and such (thereby losing himself in the process, becoming 'Giygas'). The best part of the fangame is saving him from this, and giving him a fresh start as the child just-taken from Maria's arms

But yeah, even with your and my own reasoning, I still felt that after Mother, 'Giygas' and his potential was just ruined. It was still good (and it shouldn't pander to the likes of me), but I wanted a different path.
Of course the story reveals that the real villain in the end was Porky, who it could be argued was the one torturing/controlling Giegue at the end. That was cool.

Your opinion is not shitty, at least by my account, since I agree wholeheartedly. In my completely shitty opinion, Mother 1 was brilliant (along with the fangame I keep going on about), whereas Mother 3 was the worst albeit still good.

>>4341086
>>4341210
I think Giygas's "people" weren't all like him. He's clearly incredibly powerful, and his penchant for being in tube machines makes me think he was engineered or something. Because he was new, they had Mary raise him since he took to her I'd reckon.

I think his "people" are the starmen and mooks who engineered him or something (can't think of other aliens, and the UFOs et al can be robots).

Otherwise, why would he be the de-facto leader of the alien-alliance/whatever if he failed that vital task in Mother? I'd say it's because he was designed for it in particular.

>>4341336
what if the tube was because he needed drugs all the time in order to survive without love

>>4341338
I don't think so. It's stated in buzz buzz's prophecy that Giygas shrouds the world in darkness. So it's implied he gets out. Yet he doesn't die (unless his death meant shrouding the world in darkness but whatever)

I think the tubes were meant to contain his power, or his frail form.

I think what really got him in Mother was regret over Mary. Either he killed her with his powers by mistake (then going into the machine) or he otherwise had a role in her death.

I'm confused what's going on with the Egyptian prophecy in Earthbound though.

>>4341336

That's interesting. Whilst I personally think the Mooks, Starmen and Borgs and such are all different species under one banner, of which Giegue is a part, you could very well be right given the point about engineering. There is after all a lot of that going on in the series, mechanical and biological.

As for Giegue's affinity with machines and 'capsules', I always thought he was in it partly to protect himself, and partly because it amplified his power. Which of course, is conjecture; your point is more credible perhaps.

>>4341338

I know you're taking the piss but

>He needs to take the Joy drug to fill in the hole left by his adoptive mother's love

>tfw

>>4341353
well does giygas need to leave his tube at all

he can do everything with psychic power

maybe he can just stay in there and never open up to anyone and just exist through psi instead

>>4341353

>what really got him was his regret

I think so as well, and I also think he couldn't bring himself to harm Ninten, who is literally his nephew; he does try to persuade him in the fight to join him by his side.

As for what killed her, I've thought about that a lot as well. It could very well have been him by accident, or it could have been their 'captors'; whether by Maria outliving her usefulness or because of George's theft of PSI knowledge (which is pointedly raised in-game by Giegue).

I'm just as confused as you are with the Egyptian prophecy. I'll probably play through it again soon to figure it out

Just as I finish this Mother 1/CogDis fanfic/novel

>>4341367
The original could have been to amplify, but the devil machine (which I believe is built around the containment seen in Mother), when turned off in Earthbound let lose powerful enough being to create its own dimension of darkness.

I definitely think it protected him from destabilization, which in a sense protected his form.

I never considered the Borgs as much more than soldiers really. I don't think they were all that sentient unlike mooks + starmen who regularly taunt the gang and are shown leading operations and making plans.

>>4341381
In Mother he was foiled by his emotions (guilt+love etc.) regarding the situation with Mary. You can see the guilt when he offers to save Ninten, and only Ninten. He's trying to rectify what he did, but also stick to the plan of kidnapping/killing-off the humans (which is ominously implied by saving "only" ninten. Who knows what they were doing with the folks in the tubes).

Reason I think Giygas killed Mary in Mother is because Mary is shown to be powerful enough psionically to Manifest an illusory world that can actually bring others into it. Which not even Ness could do in Earthbound although he was able to enter a Magicant of his own.

My guess is that Giygas accidentally did something that awakened physic powers in her while also destroying her form]. He's shown to be powerful enough to corrupt others into evil across every town in Earthbound, as well as animate lamps and stuff. Mary even acknowledges that she died at the end

In Earthbound, what really got him was a combination of things, but fear was a big one. He knows the prophecy that some boy with a girl and two others are destined to defeat him (a familiar embarrassment), so he perused accruing more power. Ironically, as he accrued power and became more unstable he was so weak to emotions that they literally killed him

>>4341403
>Prophecy from the future
>Go to the past to give it
>Go further into the past to beat the bad guy

Strange stuff

>>4341406
Giygas was in the past because he was terrified. He also hid in the past in an ancient underground forgotten land. It would be very unlikely for anyone to know he was there (and then) but somehow Dr. Andonuts knew (perhaps because he tracked where the stolen transporter went or something.

>>4341403

Whilst the machines in Mother were I think ambiguous, the Devil's machine was as you said, given the dialogue; as soon as it was turned off, he lost everything but his uncontrolled power.

I actually thought the Borgs were just robot-guards and nothing more, but there was a theory raised by someone on starmen.net (I think) that they're actually Giegue's race, albeit armoured and not as adept in PSI. Who knows.

Yes, I agree with your point on guilt/love with Mary. It could very well be that he doesn't want to go through with the plan (which could have been forced on him, who knows?), which only reinforces the memories of his adoptive mother and the plight of his nephew. Which is why he leaves them (relatively) unharmed, along with the rest of his forces.

I personally don't think Giegue killed his mother, but that's one of the deliberately ambiguous things. That said, Mary's ability to create and sustain Magicant way-beyond her 'natural life', and allow others to enter (or it could be because of Ninten's relation to her) I'd say is definitely remarkable. Perhaps it's something that she learned while raising Giegue, and is why their captors or Giegue God forbid presumably cracked down on them in the end, leaving only George to escape.

That said, I do really like your idea that he both enhanced and destroyed her completely by accident, truly reinforcing his guilt and loss, given that he loved her.

He was certainly terrified enough to warrant hiding in the past as >>4341413 says, masking his attack in the future. Fear in combination with guilt and all sorts of negative emotions along with all that power, it's no wonder he could barely hold it together even with the machine. It's almost as if it's a mercy killing by the end, but I'm still disappointed and sad that we couldn't save him.

Again, CogDis and holy shit I'm spamming

>>4341432
man, this shit makes M3 look like childs play in comparison

>>4341435

Mother 3 was still good and complex in different ways. I just personally love the story of Mother and Giegue far more It's definitely my favourite game besides its fangame follow up; I just wish it could be remade to be more polished, but preserving the feel of it

>>4341443
i really wish both M1 and M2 would be remade, but i feel thats kind of like a monkey's paw kind of thing, seeing as how remakes dont have quite the reputation nowadays

>>4341451

Same here. Though M1 is my favourite, it definitely needs a polish; M2 less so but it would benefit.
Unfortunately, I doubt Nintendo or Itoi or whomever will ever touch on it again. It's entirely up to the fans.

>>4341472
i suppose thats for the best, the fans can be a bit more creative and dont have to worry about being age appropriate or censored

>>4341451
>>4341472
mother 2 is fine as is, though mother 1 definitely feels dated now. is the mother 1 fan hack/remake still happening or has that project stalled completely?

>>4341451
>>4341472
>>4341494
>>4341496
https://forum.starmen.net/forum/Community/PKHack/Mother-Remake/

>>4341501
i knew about that, but im thinking something along the lines of remaking both games in a modern graphics engine

>>4341502
hard pass my man. part of the mother series appeal is the lo-fi aesthetic. earthbound made a concerted effort to mimic NES era design. modern graphics engines (read as 3D) do not always age well. best example being mother 64 looking like a turd by todays standards.

>>4341501
thanks playboy.

>>4341528

Like the other anon, I'd love to see Mother remade in a newer engine (moreso than M2), but you are right that it would be far harder to make it age as well as NES graphics have. I'm primarily just wanting some things to be expanded on and polished, like enemy balance and more dialogue, whilst providing a better picture.

>>4341501 does this a bit, but, stupidly there's something that bothers me about the whole that which stops me from liking it. Aside from the fact he's called 'Giygas' instead of the original 'Giegue'; I've always liked to think that 'Giegue' is who he was in Mother, whereas 'Giygas' is what he turns into in M2

>>4341960
>Aside from the fact he's called 'Giygas' instead of the original 'Giegue'; I've always liked to think that 'Giegue' is who he was in Mother, whereas 'Giygas' is what he turns into in M2

The reason they kept the name is same is because in the Japanese versions of the two games--generally agreed to be more cannon per se--the name is the same. Giigu. I would think that, looking back, they ought to have changed the name of the Mother Giegue to Giygas, since that sounds cooler. To be honest, I always thought Giegue (gee-gwhey?) sounds even sillier than Giigu to American ears.

In M2, did Porky goad Giygas into increasing his power moree and more until cognitive dissolution? I don't think so, but maybe.

Was Porky a sociopath, or just a kid with personality disorders as a result of abusive and malfunctioning parents?

>>4342086

I pronounced Giegue as 'Geeg', or 'Geegu'. Personally, I much prefer Giegue to Giygas, but they're literally just different translations/spellings of the same name, so it's kinda moot. It doesn't matter really; though again I prefer to think 'Giegue' in Mother and 'Giygas' in Mother 2 to showcase how he has changed and lost himself. Even though they're the same. And now I'm repeating myself

Porky definitely wasn't good for Giegue, but then if he actually went and 'recruited' Porky for his plans, then he probably wasn't exactly thinking straight by that point anyway. Though when you think about it, Porky did actually do some significant legwork until it all unravelled at the end.

I think Porky was the latter, combined with some obsession about Ness or making 'friends'. He needed help, and he instead got a tumbling-down Giegue. All downhill.

i love how this thread started talking about random NPCs and then turned into a deep discussion of the series' lore

>>4342132

I know. I love it.

>>4342098
Another interesting point about Porky is has to do with corrupted human enemies in Earthbound.

You'll notice that to distinguish between normal human NPCs and enemy ones, the enemies have blue skin on the map, but when in combat, you'll notice that they have normal skin. Perhaps indicating that they aren't really evil, they are just controlled/corrupted by Giygas temporarily.

There are two exceptions in Earthbound the "Cranky Lady" in Twoson, and Porky. However, when facing Porky, he has normal skin during dialouge, but close up his skin is blue.

Now, because the "Cranky lady" is blue, one could say it's just a fluke. But in Mother 3 and smash bros brawl, he's shown with bluish skin there too.

the talkative tenda was cool

>>4342439
i thought the blueish skin was because he was going through time without a robot suit

>>4342450
Maybe in Mother 3 and later appearances. But in earthbound his sprite is normal skin color.

No love for the tragic hero?

>>4342439

That is interesting, and I think you're probably right too. Perhaps the human enemies have blue skin on map to distinguish them from non-hostile NPCs, showing they're enemies but when when you enter combat (and bring them to their senses/tame them according to the narration) you realise they're merely being controlled/influenced.

Porky on the other hand is probably held off until the moment he asserts himself as the big-bad along with Giegue. I personally believe that the blue-skin in combat shows the effects of his corruption/effects of the time-travel. Whilst it being a result of corruption is merely conjecture, the moment we see him with blue skin is after he has travelled in time. That along with M3 probably makes the case.

>>4342552
Yeah I think that's valid too.

Lot of depth in this series.

>>4342540
F

>>4342602

I agree. I mean, it might seem pretentious or whatever to ascribe this much, and put so much thought into it, but all the groundwork is definitely there. It's why it resonates with me, why Mother is my favourite, and why Mother: CogDis despite being a fangame intermediary between M1 and 2 is my favourite game of all.

So yeah. I love discussing this. Thank you.

Bored, dumping some M1/2 art.

>>4342621
its a great series. every game has something to like. my personal fave is M2. i like having discussions like this because theres so much to discuss with these games, especially M1 and M2

>>4342630

Of course, all games do have their merits and are worth discussing like this. For me, it's Mother, Mother 2 CogDis, and there is so much to discuss even though they've been out for donkeys.

>>4342648
i only wish in CogDis is that they met the chosen 4. that would have been cool

>>4342654

Yeah. Niiue does meet Paula, and the short sequence where you play as Porky has you watch Ness.

Though in each of your companions' magicants you do encounter Ninten, Lloyd, Teddy and Anna, but it's more of a 'following in their footsteps thing' I guess.

Did you manage to get the Severance ending, where you save and rescue Giegue from himself? ;_;

>>4342660
i kind of found that a bit melancholic. while ninten, Lloyd, Teddy and Anna will get remembered for managing to get gigue to go away, as dr. andonuts said, very few people will even remember the chosen four, who actually put giygas out of his misery

>>4342759

True. Especially considering they beat Giegue in the past, in some forgotten cave. However, Ness is far more powerful than even Ninten, given the 'Earthbound' thing.

And besides, the people who matter do remember. I just wish they could have done a CogDis and saved Giegue. Maybe saving him with the prayers rather than annihilating him, rather like how Ninten takes advantage of his love for Maria by singing her song to him.

>>4342765
i think putting him out of his misery was the best action. he wasnt even who he was at that point, all the pain, sadness and hate had make him lose his mind and go insane, to the point where he couldnt even think anymore, at lest now he can rest

>>4342797

It probably was the most merciful thing, barring a wishful-thinking love-love saving and severing him from the darkness, like you can do with a lot of side-work in CogDis.

I'm still sad about it though, and it sorta ruins M2 for me a bit (as I've said before).
That said, it was interesting that even with Ness bound to the sanctuaries (Earthbound) and Paula's prayer reaching everyone in their world, Giegue still 'stood', until you the player are brought in directly. You are the one to really put Giegue to rest.

>>4341210
>>4341232
but muh masked man

>>4342848

Was good, very good. But not as good as Mother 1, Giegue, Maria and their story was to me personally.

Are the wooly shamblers robots or aliens?

>>4342945

Aliens I think, they've got tentacles for arms and hands, right? But then again, the Starmen have noodly arms, so maybe.

>>4342937
for me its M1=M2>M3

>>4342981

For me it's simply M1>M2>M3. All are great in their own way, but M1 is the one I really love. And then, since I keep blabbering about it, there's CogDis, which I'm so mad is just a fangame.

>>4339569
Geegue, Gagoo, Geeguu, Gygog, Gugue, Gogys, Gisgys, Gigaos, Gigyg... Giygas.

>>4343048

Googie!

>>4343074
google

>>4343074

>>4343086

you think this would have become a long running series like metroid if the marketers actually did their fucking jobs with earthbound?

>>4343094

Maybe. Probably. I'd like to think so. But then I might be just one of those who get really keen and obsessed enough with it, so I can't say.

>>4343094
Fuck no, Itoi wanted to tell a specific few stories and that's about it. Mother isn't the kind of game that would work well being artificially dragged along by consumer demand anyways, and all this talk about shitty fanmade garbage is proof that if Nintendo DID go on without Itoi in tow then it would have descended further into Homestuck tier faggorty.

>>4343115
youre probably right. although, i bet itoi would have changed his tune if he made more money off it.
but i would like to have seen what happened to ness and the gang after EB, we never really got closure with them

>>4343115

Well, whilst I would like another entry into the series, deep down I know you're right. All three ended in such a way that we're still talking about it now. Producing more may very well have just clogged it all up.

>shitty fanmade garbage

Eh I love it. Haven't seen anything Homestuck-tier outside of the gross fanfictions out there. Never again.

>>4343154
the only fanfictions i look up is ness/paula stuff. but even then you still find shit

>>4343163

All I can seem to find is Claus/Lucas and Porky/Ness. Hence why I'm writing my own stuff without shipping crap, albeit it is for CogDis/Mother 1

if i see another promising M3 AU that turns into a shitty nesscas fanfic i am going to shoot up a fucking office

>>4343176
meant as a reply to>>4343167

>>4343086
>>4343089
so how did he end up learning English? wouldnt human languages be incomprehensible to an alien

>>4338353
delete

earthbound's magicant sucks compared to mother's

>>4335104
>fucking psychic dinosaurs

>>4335157
I hate the fucking mr. saturns.

>>4343604
>can't use PSI on them
>only physical attacks
>physical attacks deflect damage too

Getting the rare 1/128 Magic Frypan drop was 100x worse than the sword of kings or any other rare drop in the game.

>>4343606
Master Belch, is that you?

I'm playing Cognitive Dissonance because of this good discussion. It's good so far. Everyone moves so slow, and I couldn't find a walkthrough to make sure I'm not missing any power points.

>>4343602
why? i thought EBs magicant was good

>>4343602
>>4343621
They're different.
Mother 1's Magicant feels like a safe magical place you can always return to (if you had the Onyx Hook, I missed that on my first playthrough), you get to it early in the game and keep visiting it regularly to buy equipment for new party members and what not. So it's a place that's constantly on the game some way or another.
It just feels like a strange alien land, and only at the very end it becomes clear in what way it is connected to Ninten and who Queen Mary really is.

Mother 2's Magicant is just a short segment of the game at the end, and it's pretty evident that it represents Ness' consciousness, since it's full of familiar characters and objects.

I think it's hard to say which is "better" because they're just different things.
At least both feature the Flying men.

>>4343627
yeah, theyre not really comparable. theyre different in everything but name

>>4343634
Earthbound calling it magicant was a mistake then.

>>4343656
i guess, but that didnt really matter much

>>4343656
Magicant in M1 was the a place created by Maria's consciousness, M2 was Ness'.
But yeah, other than the Flying men, there's nothing alike.
Mother 3's magypsies seashell houses look like the houses in M1's magicant though, but there's no actual magicant on M3.

For Cognitive Dissonance chapter 2, How the heck do I get that item? I have the power to teleport, but it never moves me over.

>>4343680
Ness's magicant is way gayer than Maria's. Amazing

>>4343772
I think Ness' magicant looks like a kid's "magical place", it's colorful and kind of psychedelic.
Maria's magicant is accordingly a lot more girly, with all that pink and what not.

>>4343465

Because he was raised by human parents? Not to mention I'm guessing he's far smarter than the average joe.

>>4343606

Boing!

>>4343615

Yeah, the slow movement is probably due to the engine it was made in. As for not missing anything, don't worry about it until chapter 7. Once you get back on your ship in chapter 7, explore before you use the phase distorter. If you want the best ending, you'll need all eight points of power AND the five reboot orbs.

There is a walkthrough of sorts on youtube; just search up 'finding reboot orbs/points of power in Cognitive Dissonance', or ask here I guess

Have fun anon. It's absolutely a good game.

>>4343634

Not really, or at least that's not how I took it. They both take place in someone's mind; whilst Mother 1 has it take place in your long-dead great-grandmother, Mother 2 has it in your own head. Different people (and ages) so they seem different.

>>4343715

If you're using the experimental engine, switch back to the flashporter engine and try teleporting a step back or two. I hope you got it

You know, I pretty much ignore fangames after the ongoing bullshit that was and continues to be Mother 4.

Such a waste.

>>4344259

Didn't they shut down Mother 4? Or was it that they're just rejigging all the names and such so it's 'not Mother'?
I believe CogDis is of a completely better stroke, but then what do I know

>>4344269

They decided to make it "their own thing", completely killing the reason a majority of people were still arsed to care about it after such an insanely long development time.

I swear I'm detecting hints of Duke Nukem Forever.

>>4344273

Well, yeah. The whole reason people were invested was because it would be 'Mother 4'. If they were just going to throw it and do this, they should have started out doing their own thing instead of drawing people in with promises of Mother 4.

Worse than that I reckon. It'd have to be something really special for me to consider playing it with that move.

>>4336601
I'm still waiting see one of these about Betamax vs. Chad VCR.

>>4343680
There's a clear Moonside analogue in Mother 3, ie. the mushroom trip Lucas and co. have on Tanetane Island, but the closest thing to Magicant I'd argue is Chapter 6; which is only around 2 minutes long and consists entirely of Lucas chasing after the image of his mother in a dreamlike field of sunflowers.

Now, until M3 the title "MOTHER" has always possessed some kind of abstract or oblique significance with regard to the game it represents:
Itoi's first game was named after a John Lennon song; he was struck by the rawness and the conflicting emotions with which the word was sung in refrain after refrain, and it comes to refer to Giygas's irreconcilable but mutually persistent loathing of humanity and love for Maria. In Earthbound the word probably refers to the Earth itself, with Magicant occurring as a moment of introspection through which Ness gains enlightenment. But you don't need to look very deeply to see the word's meaning in Mother 3: it refers to Hinawa. She is, in a manner of speaking, the titular character.

And you never really learn much more about her than what's inscribed on her tombstone:
>Wife of Flint.
>Mother of the twins Claus and Lucas.
>Daughter of Alec.
>May the beautiful Hinawa rest in peace here for all time.

Perhaps it doesn't say very much about the personality of the woman herself, but nothing exists but in relation, and this is especially true in such a small and mutually interdependent community like Tazmily.
Like The Sound and the Fury, which inspired M3, the game has at the center of its family drama the empty space left behind by the woman who isn't there; Hinawa dies half an hour or so into the game, she's barely seen onscreen and hardly gets any lines, but her absence is felt throughout the entire game. Almost every action undertaken by Flint, Claus, and Lucas is, in one way or another, in response to her death.

>>4344328

I always took 'Earthbound' to be that Ness becomes bound to the eight sanctuaries, thereby using the power of the 'world'. He is 'Earthbound' in that respect. Or I could be just talking gibberish.

Likewise it could be said Giegue's behaviour is resultant of Maria's death, caused by him or otherwise. All about the mother. That was a nice analysis of Hinawa by the way; it serves the story better I feel that she was barely 'physically' present, and she was instead developed through how she affected all the other characters.

>>4344274
i have a feeling they did this on purpose. call it mother 4 so people get interested, then change it so it becomes its own thing and you make money with no consequence

>>4344379

Reading up, it seems like they did actually go in intending to make Mother 4, got so far in and then got spooked by the prospect of Nintendo/Itoi coming down on their heads, even though they weren't gonna make money out of it (if they did, then Nintendo would have every right certainly).

So instead of 'wasting' all their work they set out to make their own thing that they can make money on. Most still feel cheated, and them feeling spooked is rather ridiculous.

>>4344227
>>4344238
Thanks. I found a wiki page with the points of power listed.

I'll try to find one for the reboot orbs.

>>4344328
George leaving with the knowledge of Psi powers (effectively "stealing" it as Giygas says) caused the loathing factor. I'm sure it got worse after his humiliating defeat.

>>4344328
MOTHER always came from the song, but I believe mothers inspired the plot of pretty much all the games, though Earthbound to an admittedly lesser extent.

Mother 1: Maria drives the plot in a sense. She provides the first big actual goal: curing her illness in Magicant with the melodies.

Mother 2: Ness's mother doesn't really drive the plot, but you could argue that the good parents of Ness and the bad parents of Porky really made them who they are (so much of Ness's visions from the Sanctuary Spots revolve around family).

Mother 3: As stated.

>>4344238
>>4344227
Thanks, What i actually did was use the experimental engine behind the bars. Right here. Shame the box only contained a fuzzy frog

>>4344468

No problem anon, enjoy yourself. Again, there's one on youtube that'll help, or you could ask here since I'm staying on this thread, it's too nice.
As for why they're relevant in case you don't mind being spoonfed: If you do get the reboot orbs, to get the best ending you need to use Niiue's 'Nightmare Empower' (which makes the final phase of the final battle easier, and then you just keep dealing damage to sever) which you will have got from using those reboot orbs unlocking Giegue and his parent's home on his mothership. The password is 'Maria'

>>4344490

Again no worries. Have fun!

>>4344520

*Last thing I should mention: When the time comes, you MUST take Niiue with you, or you'll just get the 'canon' ending

>>4344543
what if the wants to see the canon ending?

>>4344547

Then he just has to die at the final phase. The final phase is recognisable, and unbeatable without the ability gained through reboot orbs, the points of power or the bad ending

Your companion Zarbol is Buzz-Buzz, and you buy time for him to time-travel to Ness

>>4344558
im gonna have to play this. thanks for telling me about it

>>4344571

No worries. There are walkthroughs and stuff on youtube if you want to get the cool-stuff and the heavy feels-y endings, or ask here I guess.
Not sure whether you'll share my opinion by the end, but it really is something else.

Googie

>>4344571
>>4344579
Any non-youtube walkthroughs? I found a wiki and and one visual walkthrough, but both are unfinished.

>>4344986

None that I found. I figured it all out from what little walkthroughs there are; like I've said I'm here if you're stumped or whatever.

Mother 3 is the best, gameplay wise, and I wish both M1 and M2 were remade with M3 combat/overworld mechanics.

>>4345247

I agree, but I love M1 the most and M2 more than M3 (I like it, but it didn't really click with me, I was too invested in Giegue and first two games' style). Really, I'd like if M1 and M2 were remade at all, but it'll never happen.

How do i get the Mr. Saturn in a trash can in the ship in Cognitive Dissonance lads?

>>4345331

Go back to Satralia, and talk to the leftover Mister Saturns there. There's one who's a doctor (useless), one who's a vendor. Also, in your house (that you took from Elmadan) there's one in Colonel Saturn's room, who is in a trashcan, which I think you can recruit.

Also, if you want to get the good ending you'll need to recruit mad Malik the silver mook, from where Larice first crashed onto Saturn (he has a combinulator, and talks about intergalactic
quests and such).

You need him for progressing a questline with an npc called Dr. Yooghurt on Neptune, so you can land on Venus.

>>4345247
I agree, I mean, it's hard to disagree about the gameplay mechanics.
It's basically Mother 2 but with a lot of new welcome additions. Mother 3 has the best boss fights hands down.
I mean, it's obvious because M3 was in development for so long, and when they finally decided to make it for GBA, it wasn't a technical challenge anymore. The people who worked on the game were experienced and confident making RPGs (I think it was the guys from the Mana series, not sure), and HAL had mastered the knowhows of the GBA by that point.
M3 is the logical evolution of the Mother series in terms of gameplay.
In terms of story or overall game design, that's debatable and more subjective, but in pure mechanics, M3 is the best yeah.
My fav is the original though, it's the one I've replayed the most.
Strangely, I have yet to do a 2nd playthrough of 3, it's been almost 10 years, damn.

>>4345352
Thanks friend.

Is there anything I shouldn't sell? I just pawned the old beam weapons to free up space.

>>4345415

The things you shouldn't sell are typically unsellable, but you should try to keep things like brain-food lunches and PP-restoring stuff. Just upgrade your gear when and where you can and make sure you buy as much spaceship fuel as possible because one of the reboot orbs is wandering through space held by Garganthian

>>4345423
At the end of chapter 4, should I blow up the starman ship?

>>4345619

Only if you want a more negative ending for Alinivar.

Turning him into a chimera makes it much worse.

>>4345763
I found the chimera thing. I'll reload the save. It seems weird.

>>4345767

It's for the best. You get a much better result for Alinivar that way, or at least I think so anyway.

Getting Severance ending is better though. Sorry that I keep pushing you toward it, I hope you're having fun!

>>4345773
I am

Who can install the diagonal thrusters?

>>4328171
should i play this game y/n

>>4345789

Boson the DJ UFO, Zarbol's buddy. You can find him on Jupiter; he's past Bolos to the 'south-east', if that makes sense. In a house you access by using the air-vent jumps. He has a big 'B' sign above it.

When you've recruited him, you need to speak to him on your ship to install it. You'll need him to install the upgrades Dr. Yooghurt on Neptune will give you so you can land on Venus and get one of the reboot orbs.

>>4345804

I think it's a great game in a great series and I'd recommend you play it at least once, but it's up to you man.

>>4345804
Do you like Dragon Quest games? If yes, then yes.

>>4345804
and what exactly do you have to lose if you dont?

>>4345812
How do I get the green gem?
Where's the guy on earth with the reboot orb, where do I get his snowcone
I'm almost done.

you guys have any ideas for a fangame?

>>4346104

The green gem is north of where you first landed on Earth, just south of the seventh point of power. If you go to the left, you'll find a path through the trees to the edges of the map; you'll want to go south from there until you find a sparkle on the ground. That's the green gem.
He's in Thunderton, wandering around the middle of one of the bottom streets (up-down streets); he's a man wearing blue and has a moustache if I remember correctly

Nice! I'm looking forward to what you think of the hidden parts of Giegue's mothership and Severance. Have you met Cerue on Mercury yet?

>>4346121
I'd like to play a Streets of Rage or FInal Fight style beat 'em up featuring Teddy as the main character.

i love mother threads. (most of the time) theyre so comfy

>>4346125
Make it happen

>>4346123
Where do I get the snowcone though?
Will using the gems on the moon ruin the ending?

Also yeah I'm in the lab right now.

>>4346121
its kind of autistic, but here goes
one day ness goes missing, so jeff paula and ness's little sister tracy go off to find him, and journey all across the world (even going to places like the nowhere islands and podunk) meanwhile, ness is having horrific flashbacks visions and nightmares because a part of giygas's subconscious found its way into ness's head. the race is on to find ness before he competently losses his mind and turns into giygas 2; baseball bat bogaloo

>>4346148

Pluto. You buy it from the shamblers there. Additionally, you need to do the mountain climbing challenge there; one of the presents you can get while climbing down has one of the reboot orbs, not to mention you can get some good stuff doing the challenge anyway. Pluto is south of Neptune (obviously), go down past Neptune till it's just past the screen, and then go left or right. I think so anyway.

No it won't. But it will unlock something that you can use to get the BAD ending. I'd recommend you use one of the things on Alinivar at least, since you wanna use the ability it grants (unless you wanna get the 'harmony' ending -not the good one- you don't wanna use PK Harmony during the final fight, so that ability you'll get from the moon will help.

>>4346125
id play it

>>4334702
GET UP
COME ON
GET DOWN WITH THE THICCNESS

>>4343121
Itoi already had money, gave zero fucks, we just got unlucky enough to have him be interested in the idea before the technology was perfected

>>4346297
He also might not have liked how Nintendo manhandled his intellectual property

>>4346147
i really like ness and paula

this is probably one of the better mother threads i've seen on /vr/ in a while. really want to try cognitive dissonance now. cheers fellas.

>>4346327

No worries man. I mean, I've been pushing it a bit hard because I love it so much, and it enhanced my enjoyment of the series. So it's probably pretty obnoxious of me but I'm glad it came across well to you.

This has been a comfy thread. I just hope that anon enjoys himself and gets the good ending, cause I have to go to bed soon.

>>4346154

That actually sounds pretty cool, and has the precedent with Ness being so powerful now (and the one Giegue was most interested in I think).

>>4346338
your cool, m8. enthusiasm =/= obnoxious. if you like something that you think others would like, let them know

>>4346350

Thanks anon. I'm just wary about doing so on here obviously.

If you do decide to play it, I hope you enjoy it. And thanks for making this a great thread.

>>4346354
ill be sure to try it out, and thanks m8

This thread is really making me want to play Earthbound again. Problem is I'd have to shelve it again in 5 days because Mario Odyssey is coming out.

>>4346338
I'll be finishing it tomorrow helper anon. Lots of stuff to do in chapter 7.

On Mars in chapter 7, should I blow up the starmen factory?

>>4346369

Ah okay. Thanks for letting me know, though I think you've pretty much got it by now.

Destroying it doesn't change anything in my experience. Did you recognise who the Mister Saturn chimera was from Porky's little notes/Zarbol's scan?

>>4346367

Eh I'd play it. If you don't get it done before Odyssey is out, then that's just how it is. Or you could pick it up when you need a break from it. Five days is probably enough if you can play it pretty consistently.

>>4346379
Nah I can't. I typically only have a couple hours each day in which I can play vidya. That's why it usually takes me three of four weeks to get through a single game. Moreso for RPGs like earthbound.

>>4346382

Ah that's fair. Probably better to just keep it shelved and put it on the list for when you get through Odyssey maybe. It's easier to enjoy things when there's no pressure.

>>4346373
Fuck. Who was it? I never scanned it.

Earthbound is objectively inferior to the masterpiece that is Undertale.

>>4346481

He was the temporary Mister Saturn companion Alinivar had at the start of the game. Remember how he disappeared after Giegue's attack?

I'll be back later tomorrow if you're still playing it. Have fun anon, and thanks for making this a great thread.

>>4346489
This!

/thread

>>4346489
ok, matpat

>>4346481

Have a nice picture. Goodnight for now.

>>4347493
>WHERE ARE MY TENDIES REEEEEE

>>4347628
what was your dad like anon

>>4347628

>"Oh hi mom!"

>>4347629
Well fuck you too then

>>4347640
>i can explain

>"Ninten, it's me your uncle. Please come with me you're all I have left".

>>4347643

>"Hey I learned how to yo-yo!"

>>4347641
:^)

>>4347665
>now try it without psychic powers

>>4347776

I didn't record the earlier bit, but Giegue does have trouble with it before he tries it with his PSI.

I love CogDis so much, it really characterises Giegue, the first four, Maria and George, and brings more to all the other aliens. I'm sad it's just a fangame.

>>4347791

*Also to Porky as well, surprisingly. So yeah.

>>4347791
>the first four
do you mean ninten and those guys or did you mean to say the chosen four?

>>4347791
>>4348050
then again, the chosen four were pretty characterized to begin with. thats one of the things i liked about EB, the characters were relateable and had personality

>>4348050

I meant Ninten and his companions, yes.

>>4348054

Agreed. What the first four had in Mother alone was good, but at the risk of sounding obnoxious, I find it enhances it thoroughly.

I wonder if that anon who was on chapter 7 last night finished it

>>4348079
yeah, ness jeff paula and poo were already pretty characterized and relateable, they dont really need that much added on to them. thats not to say that M1s protagonists werent good, its just i though M2s were better

>>4348079

*I find CogDis enhances it thoroughly

fuck me

>>4348084

That's the thing for me. M1 was my favourite overall (enhanced by CogDis), with the story and the characters, Giegue and his connection to Maria. The world. A great balance for me personally.

However, M2 was definitely stronger with the 'four'; I really enjoyed how Jeff and Poo were introduced.

>>4348079
I'm still here.
Not done yet. Trying to figure out what's in the Jupiter jungle aside form that star-morph, and I still need tog et the cooling engine, which i guess means i need to figure out this cloud ocean here.

I did get all the moon gems, the knowledge stones within, and all the reboot orbs though.
I also need to go back to pluto and get PK freeze omega

>>4348259

If you've not landed on Venus yet, then you haven't got all the reboot orbs. There are five in total; one is on the surface. If I remember correctly, the cooling apparatus thing is in the south-east of the cloud ocean (provided you've got Dr. Yooghurt to fix it up); when you've got it you need to take it to the Doctor to make it work, then Boson to install it. Also, there's nothing else really down on Jupiter (that I remember) now you've got the star-morph.

Yes, PK Freeze Omega and Lifeup Omega that you get from Cerue (she gives you it when you 'rescue' her on Mercury). Both useful, including the skill Alinivar can learn from the knowledge stones.

Good to see you man.

>>4348287
good to see you too

Who is worthy of the knowledge stones? Only 3 of em right?

Yeah sorry i Meant i almost have all the reboot orbs. I got lucky and space tenetacle man didnt run away

I like the origin for starmen in this game.

>>4348294

There are four. You get one I think when you defeat Garganthian I think, or it might be in chapter eight. Alinivar is definitely one you should use it on. And, in case you want the BAD ending- You use one on Niiue in chapter eight, and use the ability it unlocks in the final phase.

I'm glad he didn't frustrate you, he is the most tedious part. One thing I should mention in case you don't mind a bit of handholding (though it should be clear when you go through Giegue's ruined mothership); you use four of the reboot orbs to 'clear' it, but there'll be a sealed ominous room that you can't unlock till you beat the boss. When you have, go back and use the last orb on the panel there. The password is Maria. Use Nightmare Empower on the last phase of the last battle INSTEAD of PK Harmony, and then battle till the end. You'll know it.

I really love that yes. What it means (albeit in this fan-interpretation) is that whilst they were abducting Maria and George to raise Giegue, they were also enslaving the insectoid Martians to be Starmen. It's really neat.

>>4348308
I use the orbs after the phase distorter right?

Mooks are fun.

Do you know what the applye of clarity does?

Also I found a recipe list in case anyone else is playing. It's not complete yet though.

>>4348308
use the orbs after the phase distorter right?

Mooks are fun.

Do you know what the apple of clarity does?

Also I found a recipe list in case anyone else is playing. It's not complete yet though.

>>4348308
use the orbs after the phase distorter right?

Mooks are fun.

Do you know what the apple of clarity does?

Also I found a recipe list in case anyone else is playing. It's not complete yet though.

So far I like it a lot. I can't really say that much on it till the end though. The characters are neat, every planet is cool. And the amount of pre-end-game optional stuff is insane.

>>4348314

You use the reboot orbs before the phase distorter; you've seen Giegue's old mothership floating just south of Saturn, right? When you've got all five, go and land on it.

Mooks are great!

It raises all the stats of whoever eats it by ten, so definitely use them on whoever's underperforming.

Yeah, I've been using that a lot; I've played through it like ten times so I could probably complete it since nobody's updating anymore.

>>4348326

Meant for >>4348323

I'd probably ask how you feel about it when you finish. I apologise for being all hands-on and pushy, but I really think it's something special for what is just a fangame. It really captured the series, and then enhanced it I feel, especially with Giegue, which you'll probably understand about when you go through chapter eight.

>>4348323

Speaking of knowing the recipes, here's one that isn't on that list: do you know that free-floating Starman ship (shaped like a 'C' just south-east of Jupiter? The one where one of the crew says "it's been a long time since we had visitors." or something like that. If you buy the Junked UFO body off the vendor on that ship, then combine it with meteotite in the combinulator, you get the best armour for Zarbol in the game.

>>4348329
Yeah I'll let you know when done. I don't want to jump ahead of myself with critique when I haven't finished it yet.

>>4348329
Yeah I'll let you know when done. I don't want to jump ahead of myself with critique when I haven't finished it yet.

It's great so far.

>>4348337
Yeah I saw that in a Youtube vid while looking up stuff on venus

>>4348339

Good stuff. Enjoy yourself anon.

>>4348342

It's all just me talking to you. Glad youtube is working out for you at least, there's very little written down on the game unfortunately.

>>4348342

So yeah, I hope youtube works, and you have fun. Off till tomorrow now. I hope you like it anon, and thanks for bearing with.

>>4348575
I only used youtube once. I prefer text/finding-out-normally so I'm not spoiled by beautiful visuals. I thought I was missing something with that cooling unit.

Thanks for your help as always.

>>4346504
>deleting the truth
Weebs can't handle that UT >>>> earthbound

>>4348586

And I'm back again. How did you do? Also, did you find the eighth point of power in the ruined Onett?

It's in Ness's house, the only thing that hasn't been ruined.

>>4348978
Yeah I got all the points of power. I got all the orbs and I'm gonna enter the mothership now

Aside from the UFO shell, what combinations are worth wasting a meteotite on?

Also sorry to everyone for kinda contributing to this thread turning into a cognitive dissonance tip thread. As someone whose playing it now, I'd encourage others to try it. The design of the various zones in it is pretty great. And if you like the aliens of the Mother series, then you'll love it.

>>4349340
One thing I sort-of miss from Mother 1 is all the various robots (samurai borg, Tina, and all those other weird ones).

Perhaps after the failure of most of them to stop Ninten et al., the models were scrapped and only the best (+ some new ones) were sent back in the return invasion.

Streamlining I suppose. You also don't see the blue starmen in Earthbound anymore.

It's particularly interesting that of all the enemies in the mother series, the aliens (sans Mr. Saturns) are consistently serious. They don't really mess around, except to mock the player.

You never catch them dancing or joking or whatever (at least in canon games), contrasting with even the zombies, and despite the silly design of some aliens, such as the mooks, there's a disturbing factor involved with their willingness to freeze/burn/disintegrate children to death with their minds.

>>4349525

You got all the points and all the reboot orbs? You're pretty much set then. Go into the mothership, clear it, do the secret area and then you've got everything done for the good ending if that's what you're aiming for.

There was one where you could make an extra knowledge stone I think, but I don't remember what it combines with. Nothing else really worth wasting on.

Hey, it's me doing it most of all since I'm the one who started talking about it, gushing about it (since it's pretty much my favourite game) and guiding you like some school teacher; you have nothing to be 'sorry' for. I've really enjoyed this thread because people like you have engaged with it, so thanks.

But yeah, I miss the robot-variety in the first Mother, and oddly enough I liked how nigh-unbeatable they were on Mt. Itoi without EVE. To me it showed just how in over your head you were, and just how easy Giegue was taking it on you (because Ninten's his nephew). That's how I took it anyway.

I agree with how 'serious' they were in contrast with the other enemies though, how they were the actual invading force here to dominate rather than some comical 'villain'. I actually think the mook designs are fantastic.

undertale >>>>>>>>> this misogynist shit series

>mfw I'm reading all this about Giygas
Jebus fuck, man... I just want to hug him, but I know I can't...

>>4350028

Play CogDis anon. That way with a bit of extra work you can sever Giegue from his evil and have an alien child to raise.

>>4350060

*Raise child Giegue after severing him from the evil, not raise HIS child

In Mother 3, why does Andonuts help Porky?

Porky was able to bully the Mr.Saturns for the phase distorter in Earthbound, but could he really have done the same to Andonuts?. My guess is he offered him the chance to see Jeff again or something, or even his unnamed wife/mother-of-jeff

One reason I figure Jeff and Andonuts might be so distant, aside from Andonuts eccentricities, is perhaps because Andonuts' wife died in childbirth.

One thing in earthbound is that, at the end, I wish they could have put jeff's glasses, paula's bow, and maybe Poo's crown/whatever on the robots. In the end, only ness's was actually identifiable, and there's not much reason for that, and it seems pretty weird that Andonuts would only add individuality to Ness's robot.

>>4350083

All good points, I haven't really put too much thought into that, stupidly. I reckon you're close to the truth though, or maybe Andonuts did it because he knew exactly what would happen.

As for why he was distant, I think that you're probably right, and also that he doesn't know how to raise him. Maybe. He's still close-by.

I have no idea about the robots; when I played I thought the exact same thing. Maybe it was that Andonuts did make them all the same, but only Ness chose to retain his hat. I mean, Jeff is unlikely to need glasses with robot eyes, and it's impractical for Paula to stick a bow on her robot head. But then why did Ness bother?

Officially it's probably just so you can at least differentiate Ness from the other robot kids.

>>4350083
Evil guy forces good (or not so good) scientist to work for him against his will is a common trope, and I dunno about Jeff's mom, but Andonuts does seem to have some aversion to other people especially Jeff, he seems to get along alright with non-humans like Mr. Saturn, monkeys or big foot.

>>4350101
I gotta beat cog disc tonight

Andonuts explicitly asks for Ness's hat though. He isn't shown asking for Jeff's glasses et al. I guess it makes sense he could have off screen, but it's not as though Ness asked for his hat to be on the robot.

I wonder if, were there a Mother 4, Andonuts would be a bad guy? He seemed pretty weird after getting porky into the safety capsule, where he'd be for all eternity. Probably not.

I wish in Mother 3 you could find a leftover starman/mook or something. That would have been a nice easter egg. I guess it's another reality though, so not much to do there.

What do you think of the unnamed "Goddess" referenced throughout the series. One of the consistent motifs. I reckon it's just Gaia or some representation of Earth. In terms of interventions, I'd say her most direct was getting Ness et al.'s consciousnesses out of the "cave of the past". I don't think Paula or Ness were powerful enough for that.

>>4350028

Don't worry Giygas is in a better place now hell

>>4350120

I can't wait for you to finish it, and see what you think.

Good point, I forgot about that. It comes down then to whether Ness did ask for it or whatever (and we didn't hear it), and the others didn't. But it gets more and more stretched the more I try to explain that away, so it's probably just so you the player know which one Ness is.

I'd imagine that'd probably be the end of Andonuts' involvement, but as for what he did to Porky, I think that's why he even went through with working for him; because he knew that would happen. It is pretty underhanded.
A plot for a 'Mother 4' where Andonuts tries to force everyone back in time would be pretty cool though.

It would have been cool, but as you said, it'd be pretty much impossible. Maybe. I was disappointed to hear nothing about Giegue.

Goddess, or Mother? I did think it was just a representation of Mother Earth/Gaia, like you. I hadn't twigged on the intervention with the cave of the past though, interesting!

When you were playing through Mercury on CogDis, do you remember what Cerue said about the 'power' at the centre of Mercury, and how it's the same as the one in Earth?

>>4350137

I prefer to think that Giegue is now finally with his mother ;_;

>>4350083
my theory for the hat thing is that, while the others really didnt give a shit about what they were wearing, ness had a strong attachment to his hat, since he had it since he was a literal infant, as shown through one of the sanctuary flashbacks

>>4350028
its okay. he's free now.

>>4350083
my question is, how did pokey even get to andonuts and why didnt anyone go after him?

>>4350156
>mother 4
i think this >>4346154 would be a cool plot. it could have two endings; one where you find ness in time and help him overcome his issues, or the bad ending where they dont find him in time and he succumbs to his PSI induced madness and the gang have to put him down when they do find him.

>>4350213

I thought it was because Porky had taken the only person who would have been able to prepare a rescue, if not execute it. Andonuts himself

>>4350220

I thought it was good as well, in keeping with the Giegue theme and the repercussions of Ness's acquired power. I think I'd prefer it to the Andonuts thing actually, but I can see how it'd be difficult or awkward to execute.

>>4350226
i dont know, the chosen four seem pretty capable, seeing as how they went back in time alone to defeat giygas, knowing full well they might never make it back.

tbqh i thing M3 would have been better if it was jeff and ness who went to the nowhere islands to find pokey, and they found the M3 protags along the way. but thats just my shitty opinion

>>4350235
actually that could work great as an AU, where ness and jeff find what happened to pokey, then they feel guilty about not cleaning up their mess. so they go back in time to stop pokey

>>4350235

Yeah, they are capable and immensely powerful, that cannot be disputed. But unless Jeff can follow in his father's footsteps or Ness/Paula come up with a powerful enough PSI technique, Andonuts was the only one able to provide the means, if that makes sense. For all their power, they still needed Andonuts to send them back in time.

I'm really split about whether it was better with very little mention of Ness and his companions. On one hand, it would have been cool if they had followed Porky as you say, provided even more continuity/linking things together. But on the other hand, their story after Mother 2 was 'finished' I felt. I dunno, that's my own crappy opinion.

>>4350250
i can see where youre coming from. but i thought they still had the phase distorter? couldnt they have used that?

>>4350257

Didn't they leave it back in the Cave of the Past? I can't remember, fuck

If they did, would/could Andonuts build another, given he needs Zexonyte (which was all used on the one in the Cave), and there's no need for it?

>>4346154

Hmm that'd be an interesting game. Since he won't have his followers perhaps the conflict could come from Giygas having Ness go to the Your Sanctuary locations, re-form Magicant and exploit Magicant to create and send minions(and Flying Men) into the real world to spread his influence.

>>4350263
even if it was left there, didnt pokey still have his spider mech/time machine in the hall of memories in his tower? couldn't andonuts have used that and told the gang what happened so they could fix it?

>>4350213
Well Porky did have the time spider. Which, aside from the whole warping thing, had various wepondry. He could just port in, release gas, snag Andonuts and port out.

>>4350226
I think
>>4350117
Has a point here. Andonuts could be the only one capable because his intellect is rivaled only by the Mr. Saturns (and, presumably, the unseen engineers of Giygas's forces). It could be that which causes his detachment from humanity, preferring the company of other creatures. It's possible that the only one intelligent enough to chase Porky was him.

But problems here are
1. Mr. Saturns are capable. Even if only because they worked with Andonuts on the phase distorter and know well how to use it.
2. Not as compelling as #1, but Jeff is Andonuts' son, and it isn't too crazy to think that, with the help of Mr. Saturns, they could get a phase transporter analogue up and running. Especially after years of further study.

Which makes me think the biggest reason no one went after him is because 1. they don't know where they went and 2. they know the risks of time travel for normal organics. We don't know how old Andonuts is in Mother 3 (though he was grey haired in Mother 2 as well). It's possible at this point that Jeff had a family etc. and he wouldn't want to risk his kids going without a father.

One possible plot hole is how they knew that Porky went back in time in the cave to the past. They could track that Porky crashed the stolen phase distorter or whatever, but how could they figure out how far back in time he and Giygas were?

Also I wonder where Andonuts even learned about Giygas. Ness and the gang know him from visions and buzz buzz. But Andonuts never talked to the ancient rock or anything like that. Maybe he sat in one of the saunas and had a vision. I think maybe the Goddess intervened and tipped him off on it and Giygas's location.

>>4350272
giygas wouldnt really be in direct control of ness, ness would just be loosing his mind and going insane because all of giygas's hate sadness and misery he felt has now transferred over to him. giygas's influence would still be felt however, as ness would be unknowingly carrying a pice of giygas around him and that carries his influence. ness at this point would just be running from the voices and visions in his head, only getting to snap back to himself for a short time so he can tip off the gang to where he is.

>>4350274

Yes, good point. Andonuts would have to get a chance to take the machine though, assuming he could even figure out how to use it/even if it could be used again. But yeah, that's a hole.

>>4350278

That's what I was saying, that even though Ness and co. had the power, and maybe the Mister Saturns had the intellect, the only one who could actually make it happen was Andonuts himself.

You raise good counter-points about Jeff (which I mention in another post), and perhaps I'm underestimating the Mister Saturns.

But as you correctly say, significantly, even if they do develop time travel independently, there's an infinity of time for where Porky could have escaped to, and then the robot-thing. Perhaps Andonuts is the only one/had to be present to transplant Ness and co. into robot bodies. I dunno.

And then there's the whole Zexonyte thing; there ain't any more left, unless it can just be found in the Earth's crust.

As for how Andonuts knew where they went, it's feasible that he could determine how long the crashed phase distorter had been there for, but other than that you're right.

Andonuts could be knowledgeable enough to know about Giegue's previous invasion, and recognise that this is all him once again, given the return of aliens such as the Starmen.

>>4350274
This is part of why I think Andonuts was coerced somehow. If you notice, Porky's fate is ultimately a small twist on what he asked for, and it's debatable as to whether or not Porky would even dislike the fate. Since it ultimately give him what he wants, isolation from those who'd hurt his ego, and a childish sense of superiority/immunity. I feel as though if Andonuts wanted out, that's what he'd do, as opposed to blasting Porky with a makeshift ray gun then bouncing in the time spider (which I'm sure he could figure out how to operate).

It's possible that he was just too cowardly/autistic to rebel in a more overt way.

>>4350263
Yes they left it there. Their consciousnesses floated back to the present and into their bodies as they were laying on the grass.

>>4350272
I never used the flying men because they were supposedly representative of Maria's/Ninten's courage, and I didn't want them to die forever (which they inevitably would).

>>4350250
I think the main reason the chosen four aren't mentioned in Mother 3 is the same reason the Mother 1 gang aren't in Mother 2. It'd be hard to rectify certain thing. Like I'm not sure who knew about the adventures of Ninten et al in Mother (the invasion hadn't progressed that far yet right?), but in Mother 2 every paper had an article about them saving the world. They'd be celebrities.

>>4350305
For the last point you seemed to have read my mind: who knew about the events of Mother 1? From the end credits, we know that the kidnapped parents certainly did. And anyone else in those tubes. All the citizens of Youngtown would know too, and adjacent cities would probably be aware of Youngtown's issues right? But, what about the rest of the country? Would the government have wanted to cover it up?

Maybe it is known, but it's just a casual fact that few people ever bring up in Mother 2.

>>4350272

Or Giegue could even command his troops through Ness. That'd be something.

>>4350314
i thought the flying men in M2 were representatives of ness's courage

>>4350278
>He could just port in, release gas, snag Andonuts and port out
if thats true, then why didnt pokey just kidnap the chosen four and turn them into his slaves? or at very least kidnap ness, seeing as how he still wanted ness as a friend, based on the yoyo in pokey's tower

>>4350314

That's what I was saying earlier too, that Andonuts just did what he was asked because he knew exactly what would happen to Porky. And, given what you say about Porky's likely reception to that, it was perhaps even for the best for both-worlds that he did so.
Though, being cowardly (especially given that he's too cowardly to raise his own son) is just as feasible, perhaps in addition.

I never used the Flying Men for that exact same reason as well; it felt like you were destroying Maria's/Ninten's/Ness's own mind when they died.

I always thought Ninten and co. weren't in Mother 2 because they were either indisposed (perhaps they were fighting their own battles, only that Ninten's uncle was where Ness was at instead this time), or they were in a completely different location. Maybe. It's just another thing that bothers me about how Giegue's story ended as I keep wittering on in the thread, I wish he could have been saved, which is another reason I love CogDis so much, albeit it covers its tracks by causing an alternate timeline if you do.

But yeah the last point I made feeds into the aforementioned stuff; I'm assuming that everyone knows, and that Ninten was indisposed/unknowing of Giegue's return. Andonuts was clever enough to recognise everything for what it was, and Ness and co. were on hand and powerful enough. I dunno.

this thread really made me realize that M3's story has about as many holes in it as a fine Swiss cheese.

>>4350332

Perhaps he couldn't turn them into his slaves, or that they could/he knew they'd be able to resist his attack, even as well-planned as that would be. Or, maybe even Porky could respect Ness that much, who knows? Maybe he did come back to get him, and something "happened".

Also, sorta unrelated but what's the post-limit on /vr/? Because I really want to see the anon whom I've been 'guiding' complete CogDis with the Severance ending and see what they think.

>>4350367
ill make another thread one this one is kill

>>4350363

When you really think about it, every story has plenty of holes in it, which is what we're doing here.

Still love them to bits, but it shows another reason to why M1 is my favourite; having it be a little more ambiguous, perhaps. Also the story of Giegue and Maria (and Ninten's involvement/position) just resonates with me so much.

>>4350372

Thanks anon.

>>4350367
>master porkey, if this "ness" person is so powerful like you say he is, why dont you just turn him into a chimera like your masked man?
>i tried, i showed up wile him and his girlfriend "paul" were getting burgers, he just threw his soda at my head and called me a faggot.

>>4350381

Haha

Picture is for an AU I'd love to see.

>>4350386
this is kind of worrying, seeing as what he turns into

>>4350321
Yeah sorry that's what I meant.

>>4350332
I think they were too powerful. They could withstand his attacks fighting him along with Giygas. I'm sure they could take him on themselves. In fact Ness alone could probably bring him down. Porky wasn't invincible in that thing. Arguably Porky's strength over other villains is knowing when to run. His has no shame and pride. Just ego and childish drive. Blech and all the minions would fight till the end, but Porky would have sold Giygas down the river without a paddle if it saved his life/gave-him-riches/power/likability.

>>4350367
Playing it now

>>4350408

I agree, they would be too powerful. Even if Porky did manage to knock them out by surprise, he wouldn't be able to hold them without something significant (which I doubt he would be able to coerce Andonuts to make if he brought them there) to suppress their PSI; even if he stripped them of their weapons, Ness alone would be able to overpower him I'm certain.

Sure Porky was despicable, cowardly and dishonourable, all that. But I'd say it was perhaps more smart of him to know when to run/give-in, rather than fight a losing battle. Which is why he promptly abandons Giegue as soon as he's essentially destroyed.

Have fun, have you finished Giegue's mothership/gone into 'the room'? You need to do that before you use the phase distorter after all.

I think it would fun to see a fangame where Pokey goes back to the beginning with Buzz Buzz and forces himself into Ness' party, and just ruins everything the entire game and dooms the entire timeline and has to go and ask andonuts how to fix it and ends up just kidnapping him entirely and getting distracted by other shit

>>4350272
>>4346154
>>4346338
id feel like thats the kind of game that would be really highlighted by music. like, a combination of melancholic, urgent and sad would really set the mood, especially in crucial parts

>>4350424
Was I supposed to see a cutscene of Giegue in the room, or does that come later.

I just climbed up to the bridge fighting nightmares and talked to Giegue, getting two psi powers, one of which i use in the final battle I think.

>>4350424
Was I supposed to see a cutscene of Giegue in the room, or does that come later.

I just climbed up to the bridge fighting nightmares and talked to Giegue, getting two psi powers, one of which i use in the final battle I think.

Was Porky smart? He had a good sense of self-preservation, but his plan in mother 3 with the dragon was insane. Did he really think a soulless minion's wish would align with his?

>>4350547
>>4350552

Yes you were. Niiue isn't lying to you there, and that room will reappear. It'll make sense; it's where Maria raised Giegue.

Was one of those powers 'Nightmare Empower'? If so, then you're all set. Pretty cool sequence to get it too; you need to use it on the final phase; like I've said, you'll KNOW when that is. Then you just fight. Good luck, DON'T use PK Harmony if you use Nightmare Empower.

As for Porky, he probably did, given his nature. He's still a child after all.

>>4350552

Also, before I forget and you go into chapter eight, you MUST take Niiue with you when he asks. Don't forget that. If you do that, and use Nightmare Empower, all set. Sorry for being pushy.

>>4350561
>>4350564
Don't be sorry at all. I want to experience the best ending too.

I got a ball peen hammer. Is that a cool weapon?

I always wondered what the deal with the Psycho fire dudes in the lost continent were? Maybe those were some humans post-tubification.

>>4350565

Thanks anon.

Uhh yeah. If you use Nightmare Empower and THEN use the ballpeen hammer on the last phase (which you'll recognise because it'll be 'familiar', let's just say) around four or five times, you'll finish it right away. It does 9999 damage.

I did wonder about them as well, and after seeing them in CogDis' context in addition to that of M2, I think that maybe they're humans that have turned out a bit like Giegue did by M2. Mind stripped, all that's left is PSI.

>>4350565
>>4350568
i always just thought they were spirits inside the volcano....

>>4350575

That's most likely true, but the suits and the weird stuff on their heads indicate to me that they're failed/overloaded psychic humans, or something to that effect.

>>4350585
the things on their heads kind of look like salt and pepper shakers

>>4350658

Ha, I thought they looked more like colanders or something, kinda like a tinfoil hat sorta thing. I wonder why they wear them, or if it was just artistic to show that "yes, they're crazy."

>>4350565

I can't stay awake any longer, so I'm just gonna say I hope you enjoyed it! I really feel that ending was very satisfying, and enhances the aliens in general, and Giegue along with his family so much more. I loved it myself, not sure whether it's just me though. I'll see what you have to say tomorrow I guess, and thanks for bearing with.

>>4350872
goodnight anon.
if this thread isnt here tomorrow ill make another mother thread when i wake up

My favortie line will always be "you can buy everything, except: love,friendship and experience points.

the most memorable for me would be Tony

>>4350930
were tony and jeff really gay or was it one sided?

>>4350963
One sided. it was an obsession on Tony's part with homosexual undertones.

>>4350568
Thanks for recommending. I was gonna type something out, but I'm tired too. Tomorrow is fine.

I actually remember that I heard in another thread that these guys I mentioned.
>>4350565
Were supposed to appear earlier in the game, but they were moved into the last sanctuary spot for some reason. Lore wise you could say they were stationed there by Giygas maybe, who perhaps knew where the sanctuaries were? But I'm not sure how strong a notion that is, since why wouldn't Giygas stuff sanctuary spots full of aliens (not even the strongest ones, for balance reasons, but if Giygas knew, he would have put UFOs in sanctuary 2, starmen in 7/8 etc.)

I'd say they are the most out of place enemies. But if you wanted to stretch it, you could say Giygas found out about the spot too late, and only stationed thralled humans there at the last second. He put his best troops at the onett siege and guarding his hideout within time and space.

Would Picky have grown up to be just as much an ass as Porky if it weren't for being able to lookup to Ness as a role-model? I'm sure the absence of Porky in that department is a plus too.

i really like this pairing

>>4350985
well i think picky didnt turn out as bad because he didnt have direct contact with the mani mani statue

post best remixes, these things are about thing i listen to on a daily basis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aD9U853mg4

>>4350993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FObXwEaFrlY&list=RDMMFObXwEaFrlY

>>4350994
>>4350993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvLQbt5gxw8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMhLPiG1juM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM7RplzbLgo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3l0ehUm4lM

>>4350990
Did Porky ever have contact with it though? Porky was evil without it. You'll notice that carpenter and montoli both go back to normal after a battle/statue-is-destroyed. I don't think the statue was needed with Porky. He's evil enough without it, even if it's his parent's fault.

>>4350993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTMqnfpX7zU

>>4351003
well monitoli did have it until ness and jeff went to moonside and destroyed it

>>4350891

Thanks anon, let's keep this one going as long as possible though, I'm back now.

>>4350985

Not a problem, thank you for listening and then playing it. I hope you enjoyed playing it, because as I keep saying, it's my favourite game of all, and I honestly wish it was more than just a fangame. What did you think of the ending, provided you finished it?

Onto the psychic psychos though; I didn't know that! I thought that given where the plot and characters are all now, that they are 'in-place'.

What you say is a stretch is pretty much what I believed; that Giegue only twigged on the significance of the sanctuaries to Ness at that point, and so he only sent his strongest thralls/soldiers to the last one. The problem with that is Giegue is obviously capable of moving himself and his forces through time and space; perhaps it becomes a bit of a paradox if he only realises by the latter sanctuaries, but if it isn't, then he could very well have realised later, then moved to station his strongest forces at every sanctuary, thereby preventing Ness from ever becoming a problem. But also by that logic he'd kill Ness before he was born/as a baby, so I have no idea of what I'm talking about.

But going back, really, it'll have been for balance, because realistically all the sanctuaries would have psychos and final-starmen if Giegue had 'known'. So for game-balance they've just got those guardians as bosses instead.

As for Picky, it could be as simple as he's just not made of the same string as Porky, as in he's not a selfish, cruel, naive yet oddly-brilliant kid. He seemed to appreciate Ness more, and then obviously the absence of Porky will have nipped the possibility of him 'looking-up' to his brother in the bud. Though, the loss of him might drive him to wonder, I dunno.

>>4351003

I believe Porky was definitely evil and would have worked without it, but its presence definitely suited his plans. Good points.

>>4350993
>>4350994
>>4350996

Nice! Thanks for posting these, I'll have to go looking for some myself!

Should EB be remade? I know M1 probobly needs it (and is getting it if that fan remake keeps going) but should EB get some touch ups too? Like, better graphics and change the battle system

>>4351554
Itoi-sama is done with Mother, that could be only in respect to new entries. it does need it, i would like to see it a la current gen Pokemon

>>4351554

Though Mother 1 is by far my favourite over the others, it is the one most in need of a re-do and polish. I'd be fine with anything as long as they keep the name Giegue, and keep the nigh-unbeatable enemies on Mt. Itoi honestly.

As for EB, I think it stands well, but some things like streamlining the check/talk system and polishing the battles as you say would be nice.

But, as >>4351645 says, until Itoi changes his mind, we're getting nothing most likely.

>>4351554
There was a fan remake of Mother 1, but it was mostly script and minor graphics. I'm not a fan of the Giegue design in that one. They made him a little less disturbing imo. One of the novelties of the Mother 1 battle system was the black background. Giegue fight in particular felt as though everythign was only illuminated by the glow of the devil/whatever machine Giegue was in, as well as the spaceship ambience.

>>4351645
>>4351645
>>4351658
People always bitch about EBs combat system and its graphics, i think if EB was redone, people would like it a lot more

>>4351835
You either love or hate the Fisher-Price look.

>>4351861
Then shouldnt the graphics get overhauled then? Mabey something a bit more real looking?

>>4351835
Pokey's mom for example is a horrible sprite. Mother 3 did it great, colorful,simple, and beautiful

>>4351874
But then what would the people who like the Fisher-Price look say? Wouldn't they be the target market?

>>4351891
I think pokey's mom was supposed to be ugly though

>>4351895
The original game isnt going anywhere. Plus there could be an option to switch it back to the original graphics

>>4351835

I ain't bitching. I'm actually content with it, but I can see how it might be improved, like with anything really.

The graphics on the other hand are perfect in my opinion.

>>4351903
could be, but there are better ways to portray that than making it look like Chris drew it

>>4351903
>>4351962
This

>>4351923
I think they are perfect in MOST cases, but there are things like Porky's mom that are really out of place weird. I don't think the graphics are bad per-se, it's just that certain areas could use tuning.

NEED MORE FANART

>>4351420
I am the anon you were helping. Thanks for recommending the game.

I did the severance ending then watched the good+paradox endings.

I really enjoyed it. I do recommend severance ending, only because it doesn't really change consequences much vs the good ending, and it's much more emotionally potent. Also in the context of the game with the timelines, it doesn't really change much. It's happier than the good ending and compatible, might as well take it.

Pros:
Every area is pretty interesting. Saturn, Pluto, Neptune, Mothership and Deepsea ship in particular are great.
The alien party members were great. Most NPCs were great too.
Story was great (with some caveats)
Classic Mother series feels towards the end Giegue's Magicant memory room and good/severence ending (the latter especially)
Pretty great music (much of it is remixes, but the original stuff is good too).
It's nice to see alien NPCs in a good light. e.g. dancing starmen, shambler fan. Chill mooks
Classic Mother series dark stuff.
Interesting take on George. The Maria and George scenes were handled well.
Ties in surprisingly well with Earthbound.

Cons:
Alien NPCs in a good light arguably diminishes their characterization as otherworldly unapproachable foes.
I think it's worth it though

Biggest con is, without a doubt. The slow move speed. It's awful. I know it's an RPG maker thing, but there was one part of the game where party could speed up to outrun a tank so I don't know. It makes certain area exploration tedious. Despite this, you still ant to talk to everyone, as in typical Mother series style.

The combat is interesting. It's a weird time based thing. It's neat except for when all your party members are charging up their turns, and you know you'll be able to attack before the enemy; so, you just kind of sit there.

I have more thoughts.

>>4352564
Continued.

A few plot holes?
Why wouldn't anyone else of Giegue's race stop him? Why wouldn't, after Giegue's first failure, one other member of his race step in? One could say Giegue maybe didn't report the failure out of embarrassment, but the Geegs were pretty observant in Giegue's memory of Maria. Maybe Cerue was assigned to observe that area, but she checked out and held up in Mercury base.

I think the above is resolved in the mother series by the notion that Geigue was one of a kind, but whatever. It's not that big a deal.

I was gonna question how in Earthbound, all those alien races are now servants of Giygas, but you could say that they were mind controlled. That doesn't explain why Mooks were in Giegue's army in Mother 1 though.

I guess some highlights
Larice showing up in his deluxe ghost armor to help fight Porky
The entire raising Giegue montage breaks your heart.
Giegue catching Niiue's hat as they fly off
Larice's escape. In general every use of Megalovania was appropriate.
First band showing was pretty cool

Even now I think of more pros
Alien race origins. UFOs and Starmen in particular are clever.
Gargiathan was a cool idea.
The sheer amount of things you can do before the final fight. It's Chrono Trigger tier with all the collectables and character upgrades you can search for.

At Mercury is Cerue even good? She kind of keeps all those sentient species locked up. There's some non-sentient ones but whatever. Also if she's supposed to observe, but isn't reporting Giegue's madness back to home planet, that's very negligent.

Overall I'd say it's the best Earthbound/Mother fan game..

>>4352520
Were Ness and Paula the same age in Earthbound? I forget.

>>4352593
>Were Ness and Paula the same age in Earthbound
yes
all party members are 13

>>4352602
Shit I'm a pleb. I thought it was 12.

>>4352593
I guess some more stuff I thought of
What's the deal with the splitting of timelines? I think it makes more sense in the good ending than the severance, but I still didn't quite get it. Maybe I missed something about it though.
So was Giegue manifesting only in his own Magicant at the end? Was he completely retreated inside his own psyche?
I never saw the UFOs in the Mercury Lab. I know they were insectoid aliens piloting shells, but did they have a planetary origin?
I'm also not sure how, in the severance ending, both baby Giegue and Niiue can exist at the same time.

I think there was some good talk about the sanctuary spots earlier. One could argue that Giygas hadn't really learned his lesson with Earth (or didn't want to). If you notice, all the bosses of the sanctuaries are just "normal" non-alien creatures which feed off the power of the spot. I think in Giygas's hubris, he never considered that the Earth itself could awaken power like it did in Ness. The notion of natural wonders being better than genetic-engineering/alien-tech wasn't something he wanted to consider.

Pink Cloud in Dalaam is underrated since it's mythical creatures like tangoos, and ghosts, as opposed to random animals. And presumably ancient spirits of thunder and lightening got that sanctuary point. Dalam in general is interesting. Everyone there is pretty nonchalant about floating in the sky.

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Hey you finished it! No worries anon, thanks for bearing with me.

Nice, the Severance ending really is the best of the bunch, given how even the 'good' ending, where you use PK Harmony ends with Giegue dead, albeit now you're in an altered and clean timeline. The Paradox ending being the 'bad' ending, I'm sure you could figure out why.

The way I interpreted it from what I gleaned from the game and the notes here and their from the dev, is that 'Severance' has you literally sever 'Giegue' (aka the happy, content child that was raised by Maria) from 'Giygas' (the one who wanted nothing more than to destroy). Hence Niiue's little speech back on the surface "You're more like me now."

'Paradox' has you confront what there is left of 'Giegue' (the aforementioned child, who he really is) and bludgeon him to death, killing Giygas as well THe problem there being you're still stuck in his mind when it happens.

The way I think it works is that in the 'Good' and 'Severance' endings, you're in the future thanks to the phase distorter, so 'fixing' things there as you do creates two realities; the one you're now in and the one in the past where Giegue attacks, hence why Zarbol/Buzz-Buzz still has to go back. The 'normal' ending still leaves 'our' future ruined but Zarbol still went back to warn Ness. I find it fascinating and really intriguing, while plausible since it doesn't infringe on the established storylines. Do you remember the short sequence where Niiue gives the baby Paula the teddy bear? Anyway. Given all this, and just how good the Severance ending is, that path is the way to go really.

Onto your pros and cons. I agree with all of the pros definitely, and especially both Giegue's mothership/his magicant room, showcasing how he was raised and the love there. I really liked how even though Maria was definitely the most important factor to Giegue...

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...George still was a factor, and loved him too, even though he was the catalyst to everything that came after. It is one of the highest points of the game, and expertly done in my opinion.
As I mentioned in the previous post, it does tie in well (and why I keep going on about being sad it being just a fangame), because it enhances and illustrates rather than infringes. But perhaps that is just me.

As for cons; I actually liked how it portrayed the aliens so differently. Because you, your companions and all your friends are aliens too; you're with them, so if anything, the oddities are the humans from the perspective we sit at. If that makes sense.

But yes, the movement speed is by far the movement speed, I agree. On the developer's forum that's the biggest complaint, "why not have a speed-up button at least?" I can't remember their reasoning for why not, but I think it was because it was more or less impossible in that engine without completely remaking everything. But anyway.
The timed combat is also an RPG-maker thing, but not really unwelcome in my opinion; it enhances the importance of speed. I liked how it made the game different from the other games.

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That plot hole, amongst others (and a bit of wishful thinking) is why I'm writing a post-severance fanfic- that's probably sacrilege to say on here, isn't it? I've already written 'Severance', on AO3 and ff.net. Anyway, one reason they probably didn't do anything too overt in that respect is because we see nothing of them in the main-games; it could be that the Geegs did not know of Giegue's failure and turmoil. They were probably very present during Maria's parenting because it was an experiment they were closely watching on, whereas the Earth invasion/s were not, if that makes sense? Actually, did you notice how Cerue was present, watching over Giegue, Maria and George during that segment? That interested me greatly.

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