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>>4284376
it's literally the only part that looks good.

>>4284376
I liked it

>>4284376
best*

Having just played through it again recently I actually have to sat it's my favorite episode. All the levels are pretty great and simple to navigate actually. I actually think it's better than episode one. People like to complain about the sentry drones but if you use the pistol it spins them in place so they can't fly at you. If you use the pistol for the drones the whole episode is great.

>dukefags will defend this

>>4284450
>Idiots trying to use a shotgun and not the pistol or chaingun will complain about this

>>4284450
Hahahahahahahaha How The Fuck Are Sentry Drones Real Hahahaha Nigga Just Walk Away From The Room Like Nigga Close The Door Haha

Episode 2 is also GOAT
This is also true for Doom and Blood

>breaks toilet
>slowly drinks water for max health

As much of a tasteless faggot OP is, this thread already feels better than the other one. Fucking hotpocket addicted janitors for not deleting shitposters on sight.

>>4284376
Used to be my least favorite episode when I was little but then I replayed the game recently and it suddenly became my favorite

>>4284449
>>4284484
>childhood is when you prefer episode 1
>adulthood is realizing episode 2 is superior

>>4284450
>>4284449

I do hate sentry drones, but only in the surprise situations(around corners, JUST past a door, etc.). I have not heard of the pistol trick though, so I'll try that next time(usually always use the ripper on them if I can switch fast enough).

>>4284470

I remember when /v/ made these.

The whole game has aged horrendously.

It's my favorite episode.

>>4284668
Explain.

>>4284682
Very linear, sometimes stupidly-complicated maps, little enemy variety. Just an all-round boring experience.

It WAS great though. I won't say it doesn't deserve a place in gaming history because it does, but it can stay there and gather dust.

>>4284758
I'm sensing some incoming "doombaby" responses.

>>4284758
Complicated maps?

>>4284758
Duke has better enemy variety than quake. Duke probably has the best set of enemies out of most retro fps games. It's better than vanilla doom but not quite as large as doom 2s cast

>>4284758
Not all levels are linear. The very first level definitely isn't. And wtf, how are they "stupidly-complicated"? Especially how can they be supposedly linear but also stupidly-complicated? I've never heard someone, in modern day or the past, complain that the maps were stupidly complicated. I agree the enemies aren't groundbreaking but there's definitely variety and how to approach them differs. The weapons are quite varied and some being unique even to this day; this along with the good level design just doesn't make it a boring experience to me.

>>4284787
>The weapons are quite varied and some being unique even to this day
I agree. The pipe bombs, shrink ray, and freeze thrower are all pretty unique from other weapons in games prior.

>>4284802
Not the guy you are replying too but a lot of people on here seem to write off the freeze thrower as just a projectile machine gun when in fact being able to bounce the projectiles off the wall is a huge advantage there a few spots in the game that even set you up with a mirror to make it even easier. Its really useful for engaging enemies indirectly and people don't give it enough credit for that

>>4284787
I also want to add that swimming, jetpack, steroids all make the levels more interesting, too.

>>4284449
Another thing you can do with sentries is lure them towards doors as you close them.

>>4284376
Lunar Apocalypse has some of the best and most creative levels, what are you smoking?

Also, Allen Blum > Levelord anyday.

At least for me, the big appeal of Duke was going through semi-real feeling cityscapes, so I can see why Lunar Apocalypse would be a bit of a letdown.

i kinda want to see duke 3D levels based on duke nukem II

>>4284758
>Very linear
>stupidly-complicated
You do realize the contradiction here, right?

>>4284827
Yep did that lots on my recent play through too. I found them to be quiet the non issue like yeah a few exploded in my face but it was always my own fault

>>4284845
I personally find that semi-realistic level design isn't all that special. Its still at the end of the day, abstract level design, just with a few extra details to represent something familiar.

If I want something that looks familiar, I'd rather it go all the way with realism, and evoke a lived-in feeling. Thief 2 does this pretty well.

>>4284758
>stupidly-complicated maps

I beat Duke3D when I was 9 on my Dad's computer playing after school before he got home from work so he never found out. Git gud.

Lunar Apocalypse is great for its own reasons.

It has the sickest level layouts, level architecture and effects use. The fact that the episode isn't routed in realism meant they were able to go wild.

It's anything but "generic".

I agree with OP

Duke Nukem's appeal was that it had a relatively convincing urban environment, as opposed to Doom's sci-fi/hell environment. Doom II had some city levels, but they weren't really like a city (but were creepy and cool in their own way)

all three episodes of Duke3d should have been cities. episode 2 was just like more Doom and I didn't play it much compared to ep 1 & 3.

>>4284847
That's Lameduke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3u2ISng0MU&t=2174s

>>4285105
No way the space levels in the space stations feel epic in scale especially when you look out the windows and see how big it is. And the alien fusion station is so cool. It doesn't feel like doom at all. The episode doesn't feel like doom at all. It's nice to have on episode that isn't a city.

>>4284849
>complicated linear maps
Is making a map like that even possible.

>>4285115
What made them want to change it? Just to stand out more, I guess? Because that actually looks pretty good.

>>4285186
Yes. Nonlinear means there are multiple paths. A maze full to the brim with locked doors and a single key in each section would still be linear

>>4284456
>deciding to not gimp yourself and getting punished for it is now good game design

>>4285212
>using a pipe bomb or ripper, or even firing the rpg or devastator at the wall behind it is gimping yourself
>pistol works too
>waaah, why can't every weapon be viable against this enemy! bad game design! why is it trying to make me use a different weapon!?

>>4285223
he's probably a doom or quake player. if you lurk their general, you see that many people there "identify" with a certain weapon, and wants to use that weapon as often as possible.

Great episode, but too many levels. Incubator is just a weaker Warp Factor. Tiberius Station is just a weaker Lunar Reactor. Overlord (the level) is utter crap. The secret levels are just funstuff, non canonic.

It should have been like this:
Spaceport
Warp Factor
Fusion Station as a secret level
Lunar Reactor
Dark Side
Occupied Territory as a boss level

Episode 2 sucks because when you remove the titties and real world interactive bits all that's left is shooting shitty hitscan gimmick enemies with gimmick weapons, and it gets old fast. The game is packed full of movie refs and novelty shit like the electric chair and shrinking sections for a reason.

ps Blood > Duke ep 1&3 > SW > rest of Duke3D > your face = your ass

>>4285275
dat trigger discipline

>>4284376
yeah but it's still pretty good

>>4284891
at the time it was pretty groundbreaking. this was as close to a modern urban landscape as games could get and it was special

>>4285212
Wtf if anything using the pistol on them is the opposite of gimping yourself go try it for yourself they can't do anything to you. You always have max ammo for that thing cause it hardly ever gets used the devs actually gave it a use. That's actually brilliant game design making the starter weapon still useful. You are a retard kid I say kid cause your post reeks of doom babby you think the pistol is gimping yourself cause you play too much doom

>>4285212
Pistol stun locks it due to its fire rate. I thought that is how most people took them out if they used any weapons. Same with the protozoid eggs/protozoids since you have a bunch of pistol ammo and it is actually, you know, good, and is never actually replaced.

>>4285259
Too short I like the long length of 2 and 3.

>>4285275
Shit opinion.

>>4285275
Episode 3 is shit. Short, square maps which don't even look like real cities. Those useless fags who praise it for interactivity don't realize these stuff get old first, while the strong leveldesign looks good even 20+ years later.

>>4284849
You missed out the 'sometimes' though.
>sometimes stupidly-complicated
Probably on purpose because you got upset he bashed your precious Duke.

>>4284805
Mirror's are just not that frequent, to be honest.

>>4284668
Lies spill from your lips like black tar

>>4285417
>Probably on purpose because he got upset (You) bashed his precious Duke.
fixed

>>4285275
>ps Blood > Duke ep 1&3 > SW > rest of Duke3D > your face = your ass

No way you like episode 1 beyond Red Light District.

Death Row, Toxic Dump and The Abyss are widely hated by subhumans who think only city levels are relevant for this game.

>>4285417
>implying "sometimes" makes even the slightest difference to my point
Stay mad.

>>4285650
He's just projecting about his moms

>>4284891
>>4285295
Yeah, maybe I was just weird, but around when it was current, being somewhere structurally interesting in real life I could find myself thinking, "wow, this area could be a Duke Nukem 3D level!"

IT'S TIME TO CHEW ASS

>>4285275
well the entirety of lunar apocalypse is an aliens reference

Nigga what the last half of Lunar Apocalypse is brilliant

>>4286392
The first half is great too. Underrated.

Replayed Incubator and Warp Factor. They are essentially the same map split in two parts. Awesome, I love the dark ambience and the sentry drones. How anyone can hate them?

>>4284478
>hotpocket addicted

why does this seem like projection

It's the most autistic episode in the game. One of the things that made Duke better than literally every other FPS yet was that it at least tried to make levels that feel like real places. But EP2 is just space station alien dungeon autism. EP3 has some pretty autistic levels too, but not as bad as EP2.

>>4287539
>autistic episodes/levels

>>4287539
What levels are not "autistic", anon? Teach us from the right planet.

>>4287638
>>4287602
he probably means that more abstract, "doomlike" levels are more autistic, since they lack the human dimension.

personally I disagree. I thought episode two had some of the most beautiful scenery in the game. they really managed to capture the outer space feel in all the details, including the lighting. standing in the rooms with the large windows, exposed to the vast space from multiple directions, but still in the relative safety of the space station. it was just a comfy feel.

it's not like the space station was entirely inhuman either: there were many mundane everyday features there, like bathrooms, locker rooms, showers, bedrooms and cafeterias. it definitely felt like a place were real people lived and worked.

>tfw i enjoy all douk 3d episodes equally
is it just me

The most spacey levels are Spaceport, Occupied Territory and Dark Side. The first two feel like genuine space stations with the feel of the eternal grandness of space, while the last one is a brilliant moonbase level with awesome scenery when you go outside.

>>4287681
You are not alone, brother.

>>4287539
>autistic
>>>/v/

I'm playing through LA Shrapnel and I'm not really digging these earthquake episodes.

>>4288381
LA Meltdown or Shrapnel City?

>>4288389
Shrapnel City.

>>4284376
It is the best part. Everything is better in space. Episode 3 is the worst.

Feels like fusion station should have been later than sooner, going from EDF space bases to random alien ship back to more space bases and the moon seemed kinda random

Fusion station and Occupied territory should have been placed after Dark side. They are far tougher than the actual moon levels.

>>4288903
I kind of like that desu made me feel like there was collusion between the aliens and the deep state since you did access the fusion station from a human facility