/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT EVENTS ===

300 MINUTES OF /vr/
-Project completed!
-https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/97033-300-minutes-of-vr-speedmap-megawad/

QUMP
-Soon?
-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp_ZqCZPJKk

HUMP
-Deadline reached?
-All rules found here
-https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=57649&p=1014985#p1014985

OP
-Looking to update the OP, suggestions are welcome
-Include thevidya.site and The Inmost Dens somewhere?

=== NEWS ===

[9-25] DemonSphere, a longtime deathmatch player, has committed suicide
http://doomleague.org/forums/index.php/topic,914.0.html?PHPSESSID=n4dp8u9mn9d16iabjnnn5luaf3

[9-24] Newstuff 538: featuring Fanta Base by /vr/'s own Hebridean Isle
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/97126-the-newstuff-chronicles-538/

[9-22] An E2 replacement
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ypjf0kfmj5tnbl5/icantseeshitwithoutmyglasses.wad?dl=0

[9-122 Crispy Doom v4.2 released; supposed to be the last release based on SDL1
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1799088

[9-20] Evolution of the WAD E9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-NXPbHTQYo

[9-18] Sun Damage Omen, gameplay mod alpha release
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=57902
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4PpeIyJ3t0

[9-17] 300 Minutes of /vr/ released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/97033-300-minutes-of-vr-speedmap-megawad/

[9-13] The Ultimate Torment & Torture: Supportive Edition; a mod friendly edit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENm-hx9aiZ4

[9-11] Doom Builder X: continuation of DB2 by anotak
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/96943-doom-builder-x-2130-map-editor-forked-from-db2/

[9-11] PortaDOOM Cacowards 2016 released
https://spideroak.com/browse/share/Kroc/PortaDOOM/releases/

[9-10] A new Touhou Doom mod
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=57817

=== PREVIOUS ===

http://pastebin.com/PZDkqABT

=== PROTIP ===

Would you like to submit any news, personal releases, or other contributions? Just reply/backlink to this post with a link, so the next OP can easily find it.

Reposting this for the new thread since it got a bit buried with Demonsphere's passing; hope I didn't mess up the cross thread formatting, but it's not that important anyways:

>>4281757
>>4282175
I feel like a total shithead posting this after hearing the news about Demonsphere, but I just finished up an update to my /vr/300 map after watching Term and Suitepee's streams.

CHANGELOG:
-Changed the name to Warehouse Cleanup, because I wasn't totally satisfied with my original title and I'm a goober. Obviously if you don't want to change the title graphics on the intermission screen, it's no big deal.
-Tweaked the difficulty a bit. Mainly tweaked the opening and the final encounters so that they were less of a cakewalk. Added ammo to compensate.
-Replaced the backpack secret with more ammo, because backpacks are lame as fuck, and isn't even really needed for this map anyways.
-Tweaked the hell out of the misaligned textures (thank you anon for reminding me that upper/lower unpegged had more uses than just for doors) and added lights, for my verisimilitude.
-Stopped being a goober and put my name on it, since it was kinda pointless releasing it anonymously when like only 2-3 other people did it throughout the WAD.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1bX8V5Yr798M1NqUnR5MENXVFk

>Combine Kegan hires a furry artist for a commission

It's so weird seeing a /co/ drawfag specializing in shortstack furry bondage doing this.

>>4282425
source?
artist?

>>4282436
Lodovoono

http://bolloxtothat.tumblr.com/

>>4282425
I actually owe thanks to him for Samson's design. Kinda like how I owe thanks to Cacobro for Kustam's design, and you crazy assholes for Blaz's design.

>>4282447
Might as well post the other Samson related things I've had this guy draw for me.

>>4282453
Okay when I say "other" things I only mean two others.
I need to get Kustam drawn more.

Here's a Meteor to break this silence on the thread

inb4itstillkeepsquiet

>>4282580
what the fuck am I looking at

>>4282582
A spacial rock that made a killing spree.

>>4282582
Looks like some bizarre Quake 3 mod.

lost a day of work fixing a 16 units miscalculation on x and z on half of the map

How do I git gud at picking textures that don't suck. I feel like I spend the longest time staring at the damn wallpaper.

speaking of textures
how does one extract textures from quake 1/ quake 1 mods?

i tried slade, but they are all in seperate files, with several per map, and only a few textures per file, and a ton of duplicate entries

>>4282635
Quake doesn't store textures per-game, it stores them per-map. .wad files in the context of Quake are nothing but texture repositories, no similarities to Doom .wads. When you're making a map, you load the .wad and you can use any of the textures stored within. Then, once you compile the map, all the textures you used are included and packed into the final .bsp, so any given map will only have the textures that the mapmaker actually used. This prevents unnecessary filesize bloat, which was a big thing when downloading maps from your local BBS.

Ditch Slade, it isn't meant for Quake anyway; look up TexMex and use that to extract or replace textures in maps. Better yet, just find copies of the original texture .wads (base, metal, wizard, runic, blue, etc.) or a pre-made .wad of all the vanilla textures and use TexMex to extract what you need.

>>4282270
not the funnest thing to wake up to.

i didn't know him much but i did play him once in a duel. he wiped the floor with me on moo2d.wad.

also he came third in the quakecon thing a few years ago. you know the one where jkist narrowly beat devastation? he was third in that. i remember him talking about the behind-the-scenes on IDL radio.

wouldn't have suspected him as a suicide risk ever. but that's the point isn't it? people who go on about killing themselves all the time never actually do.

>>4282643
nice
this is way easier and better


maybe now i can try to make those horrible AD knockoff maps i've been thinking

To get actual discussion to occur I maybe should do this in the separate Quake thread, but man I wish I could see a video on the super rare Quake arcade edition. having a mod that is based on arcade mode is alot to ask for but im just so surprised nobody has recorded gameplay of it

>>4282674
arcade edition? Tell us more.

>>4282674
Why the fuck is there a separate Quake thread?

>>4282678
There's a fair amount of disdain for Doom threads, anon. People shit talk our threads all the time, and even in the Quake threads.
So it's safe to say people who hate Doom threads want to talk about Quake and not deal with the Doom threads

>>4282680
What a bunch of friggin' weenies.

>>4282678
I didnt make that thread. I dont know why people would make threads for Quake or Build engine games other than getting answers and discussion. Threads like these tend to revolve around Doom.
>>4282676
There is an arcade edition of Quake 1 that had rumored to be 20 units made. There are pictures of the cabinet online and anecdotes about the gameplay Not very much info online sadly. https://www.quaddicted.com/quake/quake_arcade_tournament_edition

>>4282684
Something that I found really interesting in that quakeaddicted link is the guess that it may have the alternate Q1 soundtrack by Sonic Mayhem. It was a good detail and it also introduced me to that soundtrack and the bullshit people went through to get it released to the public.

>>4282678
it's great there's enough people interested in quake to sustain its own thread.

>>4282678
Is there a problem with that?

>>4282680
why though

>>4282680
yes, the doombabby nerd has left our grounds and decided to start whining in other threads about how awful we are because of reasons

it's really quite annoying

>>4282693
It's just weird to me that they wouldn't just jump into the existing retro FPS thread, given that these threads talk about a lot more than just Doom.

>>4282695
>>4282698
Listen bud Im sure we all know how it feels to have your question become completely unanswered or noone wants to enage in your discussion. Thats why there are seperate Quake and Duke threads. Dont worry about it. Now lets get back to the arcade edition.

>>4282698
I dunno, to me it's a complete non-issue, it's just a matter of changed focus. We talk a lot about Doom. The Unreal threads have a lot of Unreal discussion. Etc.

>>4282701
I'm reading the Quake thread now and it seems to be largely people who can barely speak English or are arguing over whether Darkplaces changes physics for positive or negative. If you want serious answers to that type of shit, you're supposed to hit up func_msgboard... or Google.

>>4282678
this is probably for the best given how easily the quake fans get upset when their beloved game is made fun of. look at last thread, even id can make fun of their old game's reputation >>4279795 but immediately some fragile ego gets triggered and spazzes out >>4279879 >>4279884 >>4279991 >>4280010 >>4280015 >>4280026

HERETIC
UPSTART
MAPPING
PROJECT

Alpha Release:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/591nan52nh79495/HUMP_ALPHA.zip

Congrats to all involved, 16 finished maps at this stage. There may be some tweaking and bugfixing or reshuffling of the order.

Should be played in zdoom or GZDoom.
We will add doomsday and other compats over the next few days. Some maps work in Crispy heretic, but not E1M1 or E1M2.

I wonder if John Carmack or someone would know anything about that elusive arcade edition. Is it easy getting info from any of those old id guys aside from Romero?

>>4282723
well done lads

>>4282723
Congratulations.

>>4282717
There's a long rivalry between Doom and Quake for reasons I never understood. I suppose back in the day it was maybe a good idea to fight about what game is better, but anything relevant to game wars (or console wars) has long since passed away.
Both games are fun. Simple as that.

>>4282739
indeed, but that's all old hat. back then you'd either move to quake (for improved graphics / true 3d / just because it's the hot new thing) or stay with doom (for whatever reasons people stayed with doom). none of that is remotely relevant now though.

>>4282749
Man, I was looking for this exact image. I was going to make a comment on 'imagine having a computer so shitty you can't play that amazing new Quake game so you get so mad you draw your clanmates beating up a Quake player' but I'm pretty sure that's way, way too advanced for the average computer's graphics editing abilities of the time.

>>4282723
> HUMP is actually heretic
kinsie's DUMP map lied to me

>>4282752
heh it's from doom2.net. the author is a well-known oldschool deathmatch player.

http://doom2.net/art/qs/qs.html

"[...] a group of doom fans who, when faced with the problem of Doom seemingly dying out due to the enthusiasm for the newer, internet-playable Quake1, were willing to voice their position regarding Doom being the superior game, gameplay-wise"

>quake player climbing out of a toilet

fucking lol

>>4282758
Now I'm not usually one to resort to using autism as an insult but that's some amazing autism.

>Quake was released as a deathmatch experiment. I say, the experiment proved that all its new takes at deathmatch were wrong. Doom2 is still the game for the time being, and, unless a new game granting my above wishes for perfection will be released, is going to remain the deathmatch game of choice for a long time.
I'll makes sure to keep that in mind watching next year's Doomcon footage. Wait, shit.

>Should someone create a Quake clone that looks and feels like the Doom, I will be among the first to start playing it.
"Should someone create a Quake clone that completely ignores the technological advancements of the game and its underlying engine to intentionally imitate an older, less advanced game, I will be among the first to start playing it." Fucking amazing.

>>4282758

It's really interesting how it ended up being the exact opposite. Doom lasted longer in terms of raw content and gameplay, but Quake's dominated the multiplayer scene and left everything else in the dust.
So you end up looking back on these incredible fits and...weeeeell.

>>4282749
but look at the lads now. what a difference 20 years makes.

>>4282769
>but where is keen

clearly the superior game is the one that can be modded to be the other one better

if only quake was as easy to mod
if only doom had brush based mapping

>>4282771
> a literal child
> can tank a direct rocket from spawn while space agent lady and hoverboarding drug cyborg can't

>>4282754
What did kinsie's DUMP map tell you?

It could potentially be Hexen?

>>4282772
Quake is easy to mod, though. You just have to learn an actual programming language (cut-down C in the form of QuakeC) instead of source port-dependent languages- as some other anon put it- cobbled together by German recluses with less documentation than the average Valve devkit. Plus, when you're done with whatever you're making, it'll (usually) run on any version of the game the person is using with a simple -game switch and exec quake.rc command- the big limiter for most new Q1 content is map size and entity count, which is why Quakespasm is usually the recommended port, as it's very vanilla-oriented but includes expanded entity and edict limits.

Except the whole 'need to learn 3D modeling to add new enemies or weapons,' which is probably a big hurdle for people, but thankfully Quake's art style is already so abstracted and low-poly that shit doesn't have to look perfect.

>>4282764
Are you including engine mods and total conversions in Doom's column? 'cause if you are, go look up how many modern games are still using code from the Quake 1 engine. Hint: many.

>>4282776
because keen is pure, and his purity of heart protects him

nyx is a slut and anarki is a fuckhead

>>4282792
didn't mean to imply it being a bad thing

>>4282723
> HUMP
Is there any humping involved?

>>4282806
Every time you press use on a wall my friend

>>4282813
What is this?
Hell Arachnight?
Or just Hell Knight raping a poor Arachnotron?

>>4282815
>That gun placement

>>4282815
Has science gone too far?

>>4282730
Carmack isn't too hard to get to AFAIK. Not sure about the rest tho.

>>4282695
People don't need a good reason to hate something. They'll just do it because they can.

>>4282781
Are Spanish, French and Italian just dialects of Latin?

>>4282838
i think you probably want >>>/his/ or >>>/lit/

>>4282815
Here. I badly photoshopped it

Final Doomer update when?

>>4282843
Oh god I want that to be a thing.

>>4282843
>Barachnotron
>Shoots a stream of plasma at you
>Occasionally throws a green ball of hellfire too

Realm667 is gonna love this

>>4282843
Unfortunately it's too small.
So here a screenshot of it zoomed in in photoshop

>>4282847
thanks obama

>>4282847
>>4282848
>2 of them sometime accompany a hellknight master mind

And there's also the revenant variant with hitscan chaingun and seeking missiles

Maybe make a Revenarachtron that fires plasma streams and also a homing rocket once in awhile. Or shit, just a stream of homing rockets.

>>4282878
Second option, put some in a tower and spam the rest on an open field.

>>4282878
What about a Chain Revenentaltron? Hitscan chaingun, plasma gun, homing rockets and spews out lost souls?

reminder: All Hell Breaks Loose has a chaingunner riding an arachnotron, done in dehacked. you kill it and the rider hops off and carries on attacking you.

>>4282882
and whenever it hits you, your textures become more filtered

>>4282894
and makes a post asking for opinions on Brutal Doom

>>4282894
>>4282901

You guys have any suggestions for good music wads?

>>4282843
>>4282848

I remembered there was already a monster like that on Realm667, but that one looks more grotesque (which I like more). I like to think there's some brain matter sticking out of his stomach.

>>4282910
>thinks with his stomatch

So what map builder do you recommend if not straight up doom builder 2? I've made more than a few maps that I never released (single and multi) just using doom builder 2. It's good but am I doing it wrong? Should I move onto SLADE or GZ builder? New to the whole community thing and I usually just lurk and make maps for fun.

>>4282910
> some brain matter sticking out of his stomach.
Gutbrains
Brainguts
You know those sayings like "think with your gut" or "gut feeling" or something

>>4282392
Can you make a game on an old Doom engine and release it for profit?

>>4282918
GZDoom builder is pretty good

>>4282938
Thanks m80, will give that a go

>>4282929
yeah. people already repackage freedoom with some engine and flog it on app stores. smartphones and the idiots who use them are cancer

>>4282771
He would be basically Turbo Kid in Quake Champions.

>>4282792
>anarki is a fuckhead

Why did Id forgot to shew his mouth shut.

Anyone got any experience with Doom64? Decided to give it a spin for the first time (using Doom64 EX) trying to 100% it, and on map03 I can't get all the items no matter what. Stuck at 35/36 and I've already combed the entire map over multiple times, gave up and looked online but couldn't find a guide or something on the items, for that particular map at least.

Holy fuck, finally a new mod that didn't fall for the "infinite pistol ammo" meme

>>4282978
holy mspaint

>>4282978
I'm gonna make my mod's pistol give you ammo when you fire it now

>>4282983
russian overkill did it first

>>4282983
I'm gonna make a pistol that gives you ammo for other guns when you fire it.

>>4282989
-> >>4282987

>>4282990
you think that'll stop me

>>4282990
I don't recall THAT from Russian Overkill, then again it's been awhile since I last played it. What pistol gives you ammo for other guns?

>>4282968
IIRC QC takes place before Q3 so I'm assuming someone got sick of his loudmouth and did that too him.

>>4282978
What mod is this ?

>>4283001
QC is more like retcon heavy Q3

> gave ranger a voice and a personality
> actually good and fitting
> the only real good guy in the roster
> everyone else is either kill-crazy or revenge-crazy

>>4283002
Captain J's Netronian chaos
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=57964

Some of the weapons are really punchy.

>>4282998
iirc one of the characters can throw infinite ammo satchels which either explode or give you more ammo

yeah yeah it's not a pistol. sorry, pedants.

>>4283006
Was this the guy who did Sticky Gals

>>4283014
No, this guy is far cooler, he helped clean up some sprites for Space Hunter and generally takes a backseat in helping out a lot of other people with his rips and edits.

>>4283016
Oh, neat. Is the mod fun?

>>4283006
Thanks. I like these little mods, I find them endearing.

>>4283017
I'm quite fond of Netronian chaos, the starting melee, while basic in use, is stylish as fuck in presentation, and the mod itself has a lot of little touches of flair and personality in all of the weapons, and like I said earlier, some of the guns are REALLY punchy.

Someone on /v/ said i should post my game here for feedback:

LQK3W-F9QZA-MAGIW
GX49J-6X7P5-C49I6
RK005-F2YIG-A9DPT
75DL5-75TDG-LFM69
TBT3N-X8VW4-EL3M5
XP2AY-J5ELN-5LRCG
TGQ3Q-59D0Z-BVYJ9
JZ5KM-9PD5V-3ELGY
CCAYE-BQCK2-X9F96
36YP2-W042V-RR9VQ
YTXIA-PB3TF-G0IKB
0EFMH-4YMNV-8QCZK
YTRJ6-8DL79-30YMQ
XWHP3-DW6IB-27LEG


Areas im working on now are levels and monsters, so if any modders/mappers can give me tips on that i appreciate it! When it comes to levels, i struggle with variety and ideas to switch up the combat.. for example i know about lines of sight, choke points and windows but besides that i've no idea hmm

Thanks anyway, if this is considered shilling too much then delete it

>>4282696
I feel sorry for the people in the Quake threads.

>>4283052
Can you tell us more about the game? The aesthetic is pleasing though I would prefer it if the gun were pseudo-3D

>>4283006
> gibs from enemies include ribs and ham
> they don't actually heal
dissapointing

>>4283058
Don't, we fellow Quakefags shut him down in our thread too.

Dude doesn't seem to understand we can like both non-exclusively.

>>4283006
> laser swiss army knife spork

>>4283060
It plays like a poor mans Doom + Nuclear Throne, with a bit of serious sam i guess. Besides weapons you have a melee, and items to help you. You have to finish 8 stages to win and unlock more difficulty levels, inbetween stages you get a perk or a curse to choose which can alter your playstyle/challenge and everything is proc-gen / semi random.

Id prefer that too! But im a single dev struggling to make a pretty big game, so corners are cut, shaved, butchered..etc

steam page here: http://store.steampowered.com/app/337290/Still_Not_Dead/
my talkin about lastest update: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6veXrjnXtIs

>>4283092
>everything is proc-gen / semi random.

>>4283092
A bit of serious sam is always good! Good luck, I'm interested to see where this goes.

>>4283096
That's good, stops things getting samey, more replay value.

>>4283092
If it's procedurally generated and big open minecraft-style fields, what's that got to do with classic FPS mapping?

>>4283104
Sounds like Serious Sam, those levels could've been easily procgenned.

>>4283106
Serious Sam had enclosed arenas connected by corridors, with the occasional jumping section or gimmick room to keep things from getting too repetitive. That's still a bit removed from completely open fields as it looks like from the screenshots.

Not to mention Serious Sam is bottom of the barrel level design as it is.

>>4283117
Bottom of the barrel? I don't think that is fair. Don't you remember all the crazy gravity rooms, traps, spike hallways, etc.? It played with crazy geometry in the second IIRC. I don't see what's so bad about it, just because the levels are big and quite simple. Smaller, more intricate designs would be at odds with the gameplay, which is supposed to be a cartoony slaughterfest.

>>4283003
>Ranger
>the only real good guy in the roster
What about Doomguy?

>>4283138
guest character's don't count

>>4282762
>Should someone create a Quake clone that looks and feels like the Doom, I will be among the first to start playing it.
Sounds like the kind of guy who would be really into Doomsday or Risen 3D.

>>4283125
>Don't you remember all the crazy gravity rooms, traps, spike hallways, etc.?
See:
>with the occasional jumping section or gimmick room

Serious Sam is fun because it's fun weaving your way around a huge horde of monsters while shooting giant cannonballs at them, not because it has good level design. The gravity rooms, the jumping pads and all that shit are the low point of the games because they turn into mediocre 3D platformers instead of sticking to what they do best.

>>4283163
>Serious Sam is fun because it's fun weaving your way around a huge horde of monsters while shooting giant cannonballs at them, not because it has good level design.

So fucking true, specially because Croteam adopted egyptian theme to it exactly because you don't detail a desert, it's all just a plain terrain made of a sand texture most part of the time, exceptions for the times you enter in the temples, also exceptions for the first half of Serious Sam 3.

Darkplaces looks terrible, honestly.

>go to EMX
>see that there's Quake2/Doom/CS/UT PCs set up
>play some Q2
>dominate it completely

granted I was playing against either kids or really old guys but it felt good regardless

says a lot about modern games that I spent time at a once a year event playing shit I could already play at home rather than que for hours to play Destiny 2 for 10 fucking minutes

>>4283175
>exceptions for the times you enter in the temples, also exceptions for the first half of Serious Sam 3.
God, those were the worst parts of SS3.

epic2 is serious sam: the way id did it

Anyone know how to fix this?

>>4283201
I assume you compiled this yourself? If so you did it wrong.

>>4283052
Before I play it, I assume it's a pseudo-Doom style indie thing.

Make sure you have solid roles for your monsters. It'll help you build good encounters.

For interesting combat, play around with different variables. Different light levels (low light or blinking lights), cramped vs outdoor areas, hordes vs few strong enemies, different height levels, etc.

Also, don't take control away from the player.

>>4283098
There are people in this thread who have been playing Knee Deep in the Dead for 25 years.

Solid gameplay beats proc gen every time. If it didn't, we all be playing STRAFE.

>>4283204

No, I specifically downloaded a pre-compiled version for that very reason.

>>4283251
Do you have .NET Framework 3.5?

>>4283269

I should, I've been keeping it up to date.

>>4283246
You can have proc gen and solid gameplay. There are people in this thread who have been playing nethack for just as long.

>>4283175
>>4283163
>>4283125
>>4283117
A thing to mention but the reason Serious Sam's levels are simple is mostly because the first two games (TFE and TSE) had a very simple ai, even simpler than Doom's.They can't even do a zig-zag pattern which Doom's ai is known for.
You can see in the first game that the first half of egypt levels were mostly hallways and corridors with some small arenas and/or outdoor section, whereas the second half and the whole second encounter pretty much used the whole 'fight the hordes in huge areas' full time.

Hell, Tomb of Ramses feels like the Doomiest of all Serious sam levels.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4gbIg69ifQ

>>4283201
did you mess around with the acs script editor?

>>4283415

I messed with nothing. I couldn't. I unpacked the program, tried to run it, and hit this wall. It just happens at boot, every single time.

>>4283052
For level design play some of the bigger modern doom megawads, stuff like BTSX and Going Down. I honestly think the better doom wads offer the best fps map design not just in doom but in general, they're worth checking out.

Also if you aren't completely set in stone please reconsider the randomly generated thing. We have a doom random map generator that has been in development around 10 years now called OBLIGE, that is the development time it took for it to be able to create decent levels and even now the stuff it makes although good is nowhere near as fun to play as the better human made wads. This is besides the fact the market is flooded with randomly generated classic style FPS and a lot of the crowd who are the target audience of these games don't bother with them anymore as so far pretty much every one has been sub par waiting instead for a normal classic fps type game to come around like Dusk.

>There is no Doom wad which beats the vanilla duology

What is your response?

>>4283519
[laughs in map21]

>>4282410
>Obviously if you don't want to change the title graphics on the intermission screen, it's no big deal
that's the easiest part of the job
change a line in a text file and rebuild
the larger problem is i already fixed a bunch of bugs in this map and your update reintroduces them
that's my fault for not posting more draft builds i guess

>>4283542
I'm fairly sure my new build incorporated most of your fixes already. The only one I'm aware of that wasn't fixed is the lift in the blue key room going all the way up to the ceiling instead of halfway (probably should've incorporated that on my end, but I was perfectly fine with letting it raise that high. Same goes for my obfuscating the soulsphere switch). What bugs did I miss, outside of those?

Threadly reminder that I am here forever; and the opposition is only delaying the inevitable of me becoming the greatest DOOM has ever seen.

>>4283563
Interesting architecture but I don't think it really comes together, and that texture selection is pretty garish. Normally I'm not one to fuss about aesthetic or level of detail in a .WAD, I'm only interested in the gameplay, but if I was in the middle of a level and came upon that I would be disgusted.

It's your vision but I would find it much more agreeable if you toned down the strength of the red there, made it more muted, and maybe tried to get some "flow" to the architecture - it's detailed but just seems really disjointed and a little visually overwhelming.

>>4283575
Most of the map was fiddling with floor buttons and shoot-a-voodoo-with-a-rocket-but-make-sure-its-not-tedious things. There was more to the map; but it was taking up time, so it got axed for favoring on working on the rest of the levels. Illuvation was scheduled to release on 22nd; so I set it as the deadline date; but it didn't come out until the night of the 23rd.

I'm aware it doesn't precisely come together; however I went with what I was capable of at the time

Gameplay was more of a factor in all of the maps, but naturally, again, I have to actually have the space I'm working in before I know what to do with it.

>>4283539
RIP in Map21

>>4283519
Tech Gone Bad.

>>4283575
Also
> "flow" to the architecture
What the fuck does ANYBODY mean by this?; All of the maps have this directly in mind.

>>4283595

>>4283575
I should also mention in part the tendency to constantly be experimenting with new things in my maps; especially for future endeavors.

>>4283563
>Threadly reminder that I am here forever; and the opposition is only delaying the inevitable of me becoming the greatest DOOM has ever seen.
what's set you off this time dude. someone come into your discord and told you to fuck off?

>>4283595
it's more of a layout thing. Conception doesn't flow very well because the crates are all cramped together and you keep bumping into them

>>4283630
Mmm, yes. This is an entirely fair point. It's not a very good crate maze

>>4283552
>>4283552
>I'm fairly sure my new build incorporated most of your fixes already.
it doesn't have the stuff i hadn't published yet! this is why i said it's my fault, i was just grumbling at myself for causing myself unnecessary extra work.

>The only one I'm aware of that wasn't fixed is the lift in the blue key room going all the way up to the ceiling
the problem with the lift was that it rises up too slowly -- with 5 W1 floor up LIC, you can just run over the key and out of the room, and ignore the trap completely. i switched it with 130 W1 floor up nhEF (turbo) to prevent this. the end of map10 had the same problem, you just run straight over the bars before they locked you out of the exit. but this needs a control sector, so i used the chaingunner alcove.

i also fixed:

- mismatched sectors (is the sector between line 193 etc. and line 200 etc. sector 42 or 45?)
- bad stitching (check the mess around line 263)
- texture alignment / unpegging flags (you've done some of these yourself but not all: check in front of the exit switch, line 527)
- maybe other stuff i forgot

i made the secret switch consoles sound when activated, so you can tell something happened, even if it's not obvious what (in one case)

i made the blue key trap more dangerous by making the player run over a pressure pad in the back to reveal the lift switch, before he can escape the room. this fixes another exploit where you press the switch before running over the key, so the floor doesn't rise to lock you in, because the game thinks it is already active. finally i made the trap invisible on the automap, and removed a bunch of redundant lines and sectors in the area.

i will give you that i am too pedantic/perfectionist about this kind of stuff. not all of it really matters. and the bottom line is, it's my fault for not posting a more recent draft than 20170921 for you to work off of. it's my responsibility to keep everyone else updated. i will merge your changes into my copy.

>>4283630
Did you just rush out Conception? I'm not trying to be a dick but it was the weakest out of all the maps and felt like a work-in-progress more than the others did.
And what was with all the ammo and health?

>[9-25] DemonSphere, a longtime deathmatch player, has committed suicide
>tfw probably someone from here told him to do so

>>4283626
>someone come into your discord and told you to fuck off?
No, but he's already ranting there :^)

>>4283640
It wasn't rushed; I just bit off more than I could chew (ha ha) and had to strip out the outside area If it was rushed, I would of had more time to work on it.

Still, that's why the wad was called "300minsconceptign"; I didn't have a set name for it.

>>4283640
i'm not the author (i was replying to him though, at least i thought i was). i've been fixing it up a bit, i've removed a lot of the extra health and ammo, and made the switches easier to see in the dark. it's still easy but not quite as ridiculous

what brand of gum does douk chew?

>>4283639
Ah, I understand. Didn't catch the lift exploit with the switch. Do you mind sending me a copy with your changes once you're done? Send it via DW PM's, if you can.

>>4283671
radiation raspberry or fallout fruit punch

>>4283672
i'd rather just post it here

>>4283671
Juicyfruit. He's all out of gum because each stick ran out of flavor and he spit one out to start chewing another one.

Fresh meme for filtered screenshots.

>>4283671
Gearbox™ brand

>>4283683
Fair enough.

>>4283067
>>4283058
the quake threads are chill, good folks

how war is gmota v1?

>>4283642
fuck off

>>4283714
I don't know how war is gmota v1 and I don't know how far is gmota v1. I can guess that it would be released when DoomRLA 1.1 and Final Doomer update get released.

>>4283714
Its a 1.5 WAR! updates out of two Uber Updates.

>>4283626
>>4283650
>Actual discussion about DOOM is offtopic
>But these shitposters get away scott free
well memed.

>>4283745
>Actual discussion about DOOM
Yes I'm sure your paranoid ranting was totally about Doom.

>>4283745
scot-free*

>>4282392
>Queer eye for the Doomguy
That's hilarious

>>4282723
I'll definitely check this out, thanks

>>4283748
>Screenshot of DOOM
>Discussing about a DOOM map
>In a thread about DOOM
>Not about DOOM
????

>>4283745
"threadly reminder that i am here forever, gaze up on my work and despair, plebs" is indeed offtopic, and i welcome its deletion, regardless of any actual doom-related content in the rest of your post. perhaps if you separated your histrionic self-edification, and writings about DOOM, into different posts, then only the former would be deleted? just a thought.

>I AM GOD AND I WILL BE HERE FOREVER NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU TRY TO SUPPRESS ME AND I WILL CHANGE THE FACE OF THE SCENE FOREVER AND WILL BECOME THE GREATEST also doom
>deleted
>WHY ARE THE MODS DELETING DOOM DISCUSSION????? WAAHHHHHHHHHH

>>4282848
how do you even name that thing? spider knight?

>>4283794
> Hell Arachnight

>>4283781
>perhaps if you separated your histrionic self-edification, and writings about DOOM, into different posts, then only the former would be deleted? just a thought.
It's been proven before that's not the case. It's removed regardless of context or content. Once again, the evidence is right here.

>>4283781
>>4283786
Do not fucking respond or validate. His martyrdom complex will not let him see any fault that's actually his. He's just going to blame other people.

>>4283807
Case in fucking point.

>>4283809
>His martyrdom complex will not let him see any fault that's actually his
is that what it is? i thought it was insecure narcissist who has caesium-in-water-esque reactions to even the slightest hint of a feeling of shame (t. armchair psychologist, read all the articles on wikipedia)

post shit you're making, jesus

>>4283813
they're both two sides of the same coin, really. because of the narcissism, nothing is his fault. there must always be some kind of externalizing factor that caused things to go this way.
"other people are doing it, too!" many times, they're either not or have done it completely differently.
"people have a grudge against me!" several times people entirely unaware of him have felt the same way.
etc, etc, etc.
it's really quite amazing watching his mental gymnastics to continue trying to justify himself as some kind of persecuted, misunderstood genius on a rise to power.

>>4283818
Don't you know that's offtopic?

>>4283826
go away, s'arais

>>4283650
take screenshots

>>4283818
Since it's my birthday today, I've been making myself a map to celebrate. It's coming along slowly but surely; might turn out as one of the more open-ended maps I've ever made.

>>4283834
happy birthday

>>4283834

Happy birthday!

>>4283834
Happy birth

Hey look I have a new problem. What changed? I've got no god damn idea! I literally didn't do a fucking thing but double click the exe.

>>4283834
Happy birthday, have a cakeodemon.

>>4283834
>scythe-wielding skeleton moving beads on abacus.png

boom compatible, like it already.

>>4283834
Happy birthday, person.

>>4283834
happy bday anon

>>4283671
Bazinga brand.

>>4282687
I urge anyone to check out the MOD Quake 1 soundtrack by Sonic Mayhem. People tried for years getting it to surface and none other than John Romero was the key to all of this.

>>4282771
CUTE!

>>4282687
>>4283896
Also post Quake ads

>>4283896

Good shit, mate.

>>4282771
Isn't keen against violence, though? He'd HATE it in the arena.
sauce: keen 3-4 transition, it's explained somewhere that he wasn't exactly pleased with his gun KILLING things in the first trillogy, so he changed it in between keen 3 and 4

Maybe it's an older keen too?

should i use bloodgdx or bloodcm if i want to play blood for the first time?
or i should just play the gog version raw?

>>4283052
>QK3W-F9QZA-MAGIW
GX49J-6X7P5-C49I6
RK005-F2YIG-A9DPT
75DL5-75TDG-LFM69
TBT3N-X8VW4-EL3M5
XP2AY-J5ELN-5LRCG
TGQ3Q-59D0Z-BVYJ9
JZ5KM-9PD5V-3ELGY
CCAYE-BQCK2-X9F96
36YP2-W042V-RR9VQ
YTXIA-PB3TF-G0IKB
0EFMH-4YMNV-8QCZK
YTRJ6-8DL79-30YMQ
XWHP3-DW6IB-27LEG

What does this code mean anyway?

>>4283924
steam codes

I recently decided to check out Risen3D. It looks great but the sound is awful and despite searching for hours, I can't figure out how to get better sound quality options. For example, in MAP02 of TNT, there's no bass whatsoever.

The only option I see listed is Microsft GS Wavetable Synth. Every other source port has several other options like FluidSynth, PortMidi, and so forth. How can I use something like FluidSynth with Risen3D?

>>4283924
Those are Steam gift codes
He basically gave 14 copies of his game for free
Do you even have Steam?

>>4283953
Yes I do have steam. But I rarely use it. Hopefully that will change someday.

This one wall texture from Doom 64 looks like a serial killer's mask, which makes it look like in Doom's hell, there's sinners and evil doer getting brutally punished.

Come to think of it, would evil humans work as enemies for Doom?
Something like sinners or bad guys, that were sent to hell for being evil and would join forces with the demons, due to evil corruption or satan worshippers, who want the earth to get indaved and stay that way forever.

Maybe it could be a bad idea.

>>4283978
>indaved
Meant "invaded"

>>4283519
plutonia is better than both and its not even the best wad

>>4283938
>it looks great

>>4283978
>what are zombiemen?

>>4283998
Good guys tragically zombified by the dark forces?

>>4283998
Those are guys who were unlucky enough to become possessed.
I meant like dudes who were sent to hell for being evil and then were like "sure i'll join the demons and kill other humans" or mad cultists, with some possibly being related to the UAC.

>>4283989
nah desu that would be brutal doom

>>4283907
keen isn't actually gonna be added you nut

>>4283003
>everyone else is either kill-crazy or revenge-crazy
Except Slash, who's just crazy-crazy and just as much a plaything of the Old Ones as Ranger is.

>>4283997
>Demon
I don't use the 3D models or any of the custom textures. I just play vanilla.

Why does Doom mapping have such a strong scene? Why don't people make Wolf 3D maps or Quake maps?

>>4284117
Quake does have some neat stuff, if you explore it well enough, but Wolf 3D has to do with the game being too simplified compared to the other two.

>>4284117
>Wolf 3D maps
Limited to one axis.

>Quake maps
Too complicated compared to Doom.

>>4284134
>Too complicated
Stop being a brainlet and give Trenchbroom a whirl.

>>4284168
It's more like "Too complicated for the level of payoff". If I wanted to make 3D maps I'd map for a modern engine, not quake.

>>4284168
Is Quake 1 mapping simpler than Unreal and Half-Life?

>>4284181

Probably very similar to Half Life, since Half Life is built on the Quake engine.

>>4284005
>>4284008
It's canonically this.

>>4284030
Don't claim it won't happen. They could do it in part to see if there's still viable intrest for a new Keen game

which i would both love and scorn.

>>4283978
The shotgunner replacements in Hideous Destructor are supposed to be willing traitors, according to the manual. They act a little differently from regular zombiemen, but it's subtle.

>>4284117
>Wolf3D
Too simplistic, limited, and outdated with little audience to enjoy the product.
>Quake
Higher learning curve and more complex for new comers, while still being limiting and having its own problems; if you wanted to do true-3D mapping and weren't mapping for Quake purely to enjoy the Quake experience itself, you'd be better off working with a more advanced engine or something modern like Unity. And again, there's the smaller audience problem again.
Doom lies in the perfect middle ground of accessibility, learning curve, audience size/interest, mechanical makeup (enemies, weapons, functions, etc), and complexity. If you want to make something more complex then there are usually ways to do it within the Doom engine, but on it's own there's plenty to work with and a lot of things you can do with modern source port engines. Doom also has the benefit of being Doom and having the huge cult following that it does, while Wolf3D is a bit too dated for most people to enjoy and Quake has a smaller following. That and I think most people just enjoy playing Doom more.

>>4284179
It's only too complicated if you're going at it expecting Doom's simple 2D layout. Brush mapping is really easy and intuitive once you get past any initial learning curve, and even just things like having actual light sources that automatically cast shadows instead of having to fake it with sector brightness is huge.

>>4284181
Half Life mapping is directly descended from Quake- Valve's own Hammer editor is a simple rebadge of an old Quake editor called Worldcraft. Q1 has much better map editors available though- Trenchbroom if you're just starting or really like the 3D editing abilities, Radiant or JACK if you prefer triple-grid style editing.

>>4284206
Nigger you literally didn't read my post. Quake mapping is too complicated for the payoff, which is a map that looks only marginally better than a basic doom map. If I wanted to map in 3D, I would map for a modern engine.

>>4284214
>which is a map that looks only marginally better than a basic doom map.
t. has not looked at any quake maps made since 1998

So what about a /vr/ project, but this time it's a weapons pack instead of maps? Or maybe both. Kinda like DUMP3.

>>4284219
Weird, I didn't mean to spoiler that.

>>4284218
>t. blind

>>4284219
how does doomguy even hold the thing

>>4284226
VERY CAREFULLY

>>4284219
That'd be cool.

>>4284224
Not who you're replying, but you're being just downright retarded now. Doom maps can look great, really. Brush based mapping however, takes you way further.

>>4284226
It looks pretty weird, indeed. And that's actually how it looks in game.

What's even weirder is that Wolfenstein 3D did have a reasonable pistol grip in its chaingun pickup model.

>>4284241
Not to mention they're also a lot more optimized for that kind of advanced map.

It's all right to say you don't want to map for Quake because you're not interested in/don't play Quake, guys.
It's perfectly fine, it's understandable that you're not gonna map for a game you don't play as much.

But trying to backpedal with talk about how Quake maps aren't advanced or aren't advanced enough or whatever is kind of making yourself look silly.

>>4284242
Now compare it to this thing.

>>4284251
i think what the guy meant by payoff was that for a mapper to each engine it takes a lot more learning/effort to make a basic my-first-quake map as it does to make a basic my-first-doom map. i think that's what he meant by a greater payoff mapping for doom.

of course when you are a veteran quake mapper of multi years experience you have full 3d capability at your control and can make things way more advanced than you can in doom with less fiddling about, but you have to get to that point with the proverbial 10,000 hours of practice first.

>>4284257
>for a mapper to each engine
for a mapper new to each engine, even. sorry.

>>4284251
t. Thinks quake looks like this
t. Thinks this is any more difficult to make than the average Quake map

>>4284252
>>4284242
>>4284226
It's actually meant to be like a "advanced rifle prototype" and is henceforth held like one. This is also why it's burst-fire accuracy function is not-well-known but does exist.

>>4284262
Not what I said, but if you want to make things up then that's fine, too.

>>4284267
>Quake mapping is too complicated for the payoff, which is a map that looks only marginally better than a basic doom map. If I wanted to map in 3D, I would map for a modern engine.
Which is fact, then you post
>But trying to backpedal with talk about how Quake maps aren't advanced or aren't advanced enough or whatever is kind of making yourself look silly.
I post >>4284262
You get mad.
The end.

>>4284267
Don't respond. They make shit up like this all the time
>girl pissing herself

>>4284262
You're just shitposting now.

>>4284273
>>4284271
You're fucking blind if you think a modern engine can't manage higher fidelity and better looking maps than Quake. The same general techniques are used for both, but one requires substantially less time and effort to produce good results. Nobody maps for Quake because anyone good enough to map for quake can map for other games and produce better looking maps, but people map for Doom because it's simple enough to be a hobby and can also produce maps which look absolutely beautiful with effort.

>>4284262
that scene would be even easier to make than a quake map as i guarantee very single thing in that shot is a premade model made by a team of artists and only placed into the world by the mapmaker
in quake everything is brushes all the way down, there's no nice premade doors and lockers and wall details like that

>>4284285
>Nobody maps for Quake because anyone good enough to map for quake can map for other games and produce better looking maps
Except the most popular/well-known mapmakers for Quake, people like sock (Simon O'Callaghan), are actual industry professionals who still map for Quake 1 because they enjoy it.

>>4284286
>it would be even easier to make that in quake because quake's editor lacks the tools to make it
>combined with a total lack of understanding of how modern mapping works
I'm being trolled. Time to stop replying.

>>4284293
>implying modern game development is entirely about prefabs
same, here's your last (you)
i'm ashamed you got this many already

>>4284295
t.illiterate
Holy fuck.

>>4284285
You first claimed that quake maps only look marginally better than doom maps. This is a blatant lie. Just one look at AD and this statement falls apart entirely.

>Nobody maps for Quake because anyone good enough to map for quake can map for other games and produce better looking maps

Another falsehood. Nobody maps for quake and yet quake maps still keep coming out. Well how the fuck could that be? I was also gonna mention Sock, a master of his craft, but the other anon beat me to it. An even better example would be Quake 3 still getting its fair share of fresh maps to this day. Last one from me, now kindly fuck off.

>>4284309
>doomtwink

>>4283818

>>4282723
>HUMP
I made a map for this but canned it while working on my E2 replacement.

It was shit anyway.

ok, is /v/ obsifags shilling on /doom/ again?

>>4284312
>tfw no doomtwink bf

>>4284252
I always found the chaingun disappointing when I first played Doom. I mean you think you've just got a minigun when you pick it up, but actually it's more of a machinegun that shoots pistol ammo. I hear the original model for the gun was actually some sort of SMG or something.
No wonder Doom 4 has a seperate machinegun and minigun.

>>4283915
any advise?

>>4284326
that's pretty much correct. not sure why they made the sprite look like it does other than perhaps the cool factor.

I'm finally bored of vanilla Doom, and also a luddite. What's the best WAD of pure maps, keeping entirely to the Doom style, and doesn't mess around with the way the game is played?

>>4284337
DTWID and DTWID2 seem like what you're looking for.

>>4284337
Wonderful Doom

>>4284338
Not him, but I'm playing D2TWIDD at the moment. It seems to be more obsessed with Heavy Weapons Dudes than Final Doom was, and the maps in both TWIDD projects become massive and time consuming in later stages.
They aren't bad but they aren't the best map sets.

>>4284337
these >>4284338
everyone's going to say dtwid heh
switcheroom
the classic episode (class_ep)
>>4284341
oh man i forgot about that

>>4284337
remain1.wad eternal's remixes of doom2 map01-10

>>4282392
Which engine had better games? Build, Doom, Quake, Quake II, or id Tech 3?

>>4284382
i don't know. subjectively, i like doom, i've played hundreds and hundreds of its maps. which one do you think had better games?

>>4284329
bloodgdx is by far the closest recreation of blood there will probably ever be, bar a straight-up source code release by the devs themselves, thing which will most probably never happen.

>>4284382
They're all good and fun.

/discussion

>>4284382
Better yet.

Doomguy
Ranger
Duke

WHO
IS
DEADLIEST?

>>4284407
Blowjob Blazko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWZLaiXSZ-8

>>4284407
Duke is just a normal dude, albeit one who chews ass and kicks bubble gum. Doomguy and Ranger are also normal dudes but the former apparently got so pissed off at Hell that even killing him didn't stop him from whooping their asses and has actual angels on his side protecting him, while the latter somehow managed to kill a fucking Outer God with not much more than the scraps from a Home Depot clearance sale.

>>4284382
wait, if dukenuke3d was on build engine then how come we can't play blood with eDuke?

>>4284407
that's why we have samsara dm

>>4284407
Who Would Win In A Fight debates are dumb and have no place here

>>4282698

maybe it should be not titled DOOM THREAD before RETRO FPS THREAD, in fact, i don't even know why is called Doom if is the retro fps thread

>>4284394
>bloodgdx
thanks chingu, i'll play that then

>>4284407
caleb

>>4284421
Shush, you.

>>4284407
Reminder that Doomguy got his ass kicked during the events of Duke Nukem 3D.

>>4282838

romance languages

>>4284425
oh yeah, forgot to mention, you're gonna need two files. text will be completely invisible otherwise.
https://my.mixtape.moe/wthwcj.zip
plop them into your blood folder.

>>4284435
thanks, gog version works, right?

>>4284392
I'd probably rank them Doom > Build > Quake II > id Tech 3 > Quake.

>>4284432
it was just a cosplayer

>>4284432
That was some easter egg, and most likely not THE Doom Marine. I doubt Doomguy gives a fuck about aliens anymore, he seems to only have three interests after Phobos:
Demons
Guns
Using guns to kill Demons

>>4284432
Doomguy got his ass kicked during the events of Ultimate Doom: Episode 1, that didn't seem to slow him down much then.

>>4284441
yeah, go right ahead

>>4284454
its the only thing that he has left since he cant speak with samus anymore

>>4284469
WHY DO THEY KEEP MAKING THE BFG A HANDGUN SIZED WEAPON

REEEEEEEEEEE

>>4284474
ask that to the drawfag who likes /doom/

>>4284469
>>4284474
Legit triggered here. The B(IG)FG was never meant to look like a small sidearm.

Why is coding so fucking hard to figure out, good god almighty I wish I had some decent literature on basic c or something. I've never even seen an "enum" until I dicked around in zscript.

>>4284474
>zanieon.jpg

>>4284474
dude dont post that gross shit here

>>4284474
if insomniac can do it

>>4284494
ok

>>4284494
>he doesn't know the joy of bycicle kicking in duke nukem

>>4284474

BECAUSE THE ARTIST NEEDED DOOMGUY AND SAMUS TO HOLD HANDS

REEEEEEEEEEE

Did Doomguy die at the end of E1?

>>4284525
Maybe, maybe not. It's open to interpretation.

I hate the secrets that consist of humping/shooting random nondescript walls. And don't get me started on the cryptic shit like having to shoot all the barrels in a level so a door in the most remote area of the level opens for half a second and God forbid you don't know about it beforehand or you'll never even notice it happened.

Is there any classic FPS (with secrets) that doesn't do that shit?

>>4284525
yes but he is not really kill
his love lives on
through the shores of hell
but his rabbit though
she really was kill

>>4284525
well let's see here:
>defeating the barons
check
>giant icon of sin face
check
>step on it
seewhathappens.mov
>ambush & death exit

i'd say so

>>4284528
Quake.

Look for the red glowing button. Shoot the red glowing button if it's on the roof, walk into it if it isn't. Secret found.

is this how doom looked like on a PC monitor?
t. only played on LCD.

>>4284525
Maybe, but in the words of GloryHammer-
"A HERO CANNOT BE DEFEATED
SIMPLY BY MAKING HIM DIE"

>>4284540
>>4284538
Looks absolutely beautiful!

>>4284523
>implying Doomguy couldn't carry a fullsize BFG one handed

>>4284469
why is everyone ignoring how lewd this is

>>4284525
Yes, and then he became a revenant. But instead of terrorizing the living as a tall spooky skeleton, he terrorizes hell itself as an indestructible embodient of pure anger.

>>4284525
He died and went to hell, but didn't go to hell because he was a bad person (in fact his backstory shows he's a person of high moral standard); instead he went to hell because the E1M8 teleporter actually teleported him to Deimos which was already partially teleported to and hovering over hell itself, so it was kind of a "your soul is trapped in this realm" thing. From there, he basically rose from the dead and fought his way out of hell, kicking hell's ass so hard in the process that they raised his status of undeath, made him technically alive again, and sent him back to Earth. And then Doom 2 happens...
That's my interpretation and partial asspulling for an explanation at least. It's vague so he could be a walking undeath liche or he could have not actually died the whole time.

>>4284242
The top gun in the pic makes me think of a super-soaker toy gun.

It's CURRENT YEAR and I just realized E3M2 is shaped like a hand, kill me.

>>4284432
Well, Duke got hanged and had a rocket shoved up his ass.

>>4284580
>Wolfenstein: water guns
>Doom: toys
>Quake: construction equipment
>Quake 2: more water guns
>Quake 3: leaf blowers

>>4284579
Doesn't the end of episode text say Deimos was just floating over hell and when he noticed he just literally rappelled down there?

>>4284523
why not give doom guy a double barreled shotgun then?

>>4284590
>Tfw no weird levels like this that are shaped like hands and other odd sources of inspiration

>>4284601
How the hell is doomguy supposed to reload it between shots with just one hand?

>>4284604
Who said he has to reload with two hands.

>>4284338
>>4284341
>>4284343
>>4284346
Thanks!

>>4284604

>>4284604
its just an action pose. He can still fire twice (or once with both barrels only if you're doom). Then reload later.

>>4284621

>my face when people attempt to pussywash the original pic where yours come from

>>4284635
You have no face?

>>4284636

exactly

>>4284285
What is the game on the right? Singularity?

From the end of ep2 text:
>YOU CLAMBER TO THE EDGE OF THE MOON AND LOOK DOWN TO SEE THE AWFUL TRUTH.
>QUICKLY, YOU RAPPEL DOWN TO THE SURFACE OF HELL.

So Carmack is a flat earther?

>>4284649
Looks like Unreal Tournament 3, not sure of the exact map.

>>4282841
>>4284434
My point was that modern games might still be using Quake's code in part but it's a bit bullshit to say they're just Quake MODs at this point.

>>4283915
>>4284394
I always hear that DOSbox is the way to go with Blood.

>Doom 2 in name only
>The Crusher
>think I'm finally out
>archvile maze with cacodemons strewn about
>automap doesn't work
>find the orange key
>ceiling starts coming down
>exit the maze
>a bunch of revenants waiting for me at the exit with little room to dodge

>>4284528
What about just having to walk off a cliff into a secret invisible floor that is like 1cm thick, and you are required to do it in order to finish the level?

>>4284493
Man, i'm offended by you saying i like shit like that.

>>4284564
We're men here son

>>4284678
for someone who keeps on going on about there's a grudge against him, he seems especially fond of singling you out for some reason
it's strange

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2eEbKDMj2U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JXJAeYy5OY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgVRM0KkqDs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHjh4d9r-oo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VprNpHFnwaw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zjxzKUls9E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbI2XUuhpVA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhANeYRetko
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1hQy2G0wMQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2PK1WXB004
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMp8xnfN448
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-w7vkOiAf0

>>4284715
An underrated game.

>>4284651
kek

>>4284715
I didn't knew there were multiple redneck rampage games.

>>4284651
Nah, it's more "deimos got fucked, here's the last of it floating above hell: just the base the crater was it.

And yes, Doomguy died at the end of KDITD

The PS1 version of Doom 1 really does feel like a completely different game in many ways. Not only because the graphics and sound make it admittedly a bit more dull, but also because a lot of enemies and items seem to have been re-balanced.

you guys ever try just spinning the random file on idgames? It's a fun time and helps you find some great maps

>>4282392
What's the intended way to play through DOOM? I know Ultraviolence is the right difficulty, but should you play each level individually starting with only the pistol, or play through an episode with the weapons you got from earlier levels in that episode? And if it's the latter and you die, is it kosher to reload a save or should you just use the pistol when you start the level again/restart the episode?

>>4284839
The levels were built around both playing through keeping your weapons and also pistol starts.
Saving is fine, and was encouraged in the manual so you didn't lose your weapons (autosaves are a sourceport function)
So if you want a challenge, UV pistol start and don't save, and maybe try fast monsters. Just UV is perfectly acceptable, though.

>>4284848
Thanks anon. I've only played through DOOM on the low pussy difficulties like NTR and want to do a "real" run with the proper difficulty. I think I'll use collected weapons, then, and then try pistol starts when I play through the game again.

why doesn't g/zdoom play demos?

>>4284714
what are you even in about

What does /vr/ think of Freedoom?

>>4284857
It used to have the best gibbing sound ever and then they fucked up and replaced it with something not as hilarious

>>4284851
Not on Extreme Ooze??

>>4284762
One of them is an expansion pack.

>>4283752
Here you go.

>>4284885
Fug, now I want to play it.

Before I do that tho, any sourceports I should be aware of?

>>4284857
the maps are pretty good. I enjoyed playing through quite a few of them.
Very tough enemy placement

>>4284892
Wait, I'm sure I got this.

>>4282392
wait a minute i recognize that screenshot

>>4284909
>I recognise that boner!

If you use DOSbox and plug your computer into a CRT, does it look like it should, or is fucked up?

>>4284979
Should look fine.

>>4284984
By "like it should" I guess I meant to say "like it would look on a real DOS machine'.

>>4284979
You can pretend to emulate the look and feel of the hardware from that era but it won't ever be the same. You're not gonna completely recapture the feeling of playing classic shooters from that era. Just embrace the source ports or use Chocolate Doom if you have such a hard-on for technology that existed long before you were born.

>>4285001
Chill bro, I've already played Doom on modern source ports for quite some time, I'm just trying to experience it on a new way.

>>4282643
Wait, but if Quake stores textures along the map, does not that make more bloat if several maps use the same textures?

>>4283896
where can I get it?
google does nothing

>>4284852
it does, but only those recorded on exactly the same version. demosync is extremely fragile and sensitive to code changes, and maintaining it while still allowing the kind of sweeping changes that got zdoom to where it is today is prohibitive.

>>4284892
>>4284908
haha great job. >>4282392 please use this for an upcoming thread

>>4285050
Methods of Destruction its on Youtube.

>>4285043
arguably yes, but it also means players can distribute maps among themselves and always have the map work properly without relying on any external texture archives or packs. basically, if the author uses a single texture from a texture pack in his map, you can now get just that one texture instead of having to dl the entire pack

basically it's less filesize-conscious than having the maps not include any textures at all, but it's an improvement over doom .wads where the wad can contain god knows what and you get instances of people making a single map that includes a whole fucking copy of the game with it

>>4285001
oh don't destroy the man's dreams. from the way you're carrying on, only some magic way to de-age yourself to 14 years old and a time machine to put you in 1993 would suffice

>>4285054
I'm the same guy. I'll maybe use it a month later or so, though.

>>4285060
hah. all right. keep up the good work

>>4285057
also: quake's individual textures are fucking tiny, generally 128x128 and limited to a predefined 256-color palette, which might strip out any actual color data in the textures when compiled and just use the index numbers of the color of each pixel (i.e. instead of the color bright red being stored as 255,0,0 it would be just 252, the position in the palette map) but don't quote me on that 'cause i'm completely guessing here but it'd be a sensible way to crunch down every last bit you could

>>4283672
>>4283702
warehouse cleanup (300min)
---

all right i think i'm done with this:

- merge author's changes in (lighting changes, title updated etc.)
- blue key trap: barrier rises quickly to ceiling, preventing immediate escape
- blue key trap: release switch initially hidden, to prevent other exploits
- secret switches give audible feedback
- blue armour secret slightly hinted with 1 unit gap at floor
- reshape monster teleporters for speed/efficiency
- exit room shifted a few units west for step1 alignment
- silver sides to window by chaingun to buffer cement3/brown1 transition
- unclosed/mismatched sectors, vertex stitching errors corrected
- various unnecessary tags / lines / sectors removed (D1/DR doors don't need tags!)
- various texture alignment / unpegging flags changes, too many to remember

https://a.uguu.se/Y5nU4JPuwQqb_WarehouseCleanup.zip
http://temp-host.com/download.php?file=ph55gs

>>4282394
Is the episode 2 replacement that project Sarias has been making?

>>4285224
Think so if the filtered 4:3 screenshot was anything to go off. I usually just skim over whatever he posts though.

>>4285224
yes >>4275580

>>4284008
>dudes sent to hell for being evil who decided to join the demons and kill people

Lost Souls

>>4284219
>/vr/ weapons pack
Interesting, but a bit trickier to pull off.

Good spriting is tricky and needs consistency. You could use Realm667 stuff or model rips, but you don't need as many people. I think 4chan projects work best when they need a 'swarm' while a weapons pack just needs a half dozen decent spriters, soundguys and decorate enthusiasts,if that.

A weapons pack and enemy replacements, maybe could work but I bet the tone will be all over the place.

>>4285231
By the time I get on /vr/ virtually all of his posts have been deleted.

>>4285270
>Skim through thread
>Hover over with 4chan X and read replies quoting his (dead) posts

>>4282410
>I feel like a total shithead posting this after hearing the news about Demonsphere, but I just finished up an update to my /vr/300 map
>>4283639
>i made the secret switch consoles sound when activated
>i made the blue key trap more dangerous
>>4285201
>- blue armour secret slightly hinted with 1 unit gap at floor
>- reshape monster teleporters for speed/efficiency
>- exit room shifted a few units west for step1 alignment
>- silver sides to window by chaingun to buffer cement3/brown1 transition
This isn't for submission into the /vr/300 wad, right? it's over, and nitpicky changes after the fact (that aren't bugfixing) doesn't make sense to me.

>>4285278
sorry to hear this but 300manager allowed me to take charge of bugfixing, and thus i am happy accept the authors update, along with my own fixes. if you're unhappy with this, i'll stop, and you can consider the version already on /idgames as the final one. i would prefer it if there was consensus over that first though as i believe most other participants are happy to allow me to continue with cleanup work. i remain committed to having the thing done by the end of september.

>>4285294

I'm waiting for the fixed wad

>>4285294
As one of the mappers I'm happy for you to do this. You're just cleaning up errors or oversights, so its great stuff in my books. Keep up the good work