/vr/ - Retro Games

Please. What are you trying to discuss madden 2004?

There's always Reddit. have fun.

>>4283940
Well, why not /v/ still?

Also there are these boards
>>>/b/
>>>/qa/
>>>/trash/

when will /vr/ make it retro, what do you reckon?

>>4283946
Not for a very long time, friend.

Try to talk about it on /v/ regardless. Whatever it is.

>>4283940
You "can" discuss PS2 on /v/, but if you are getting bad results you should also consider trying /vg/ or even /b/ before you make an off-topic thread about it here.
If there are enough people who are interested in discussing it you should have no problem populating a general on /vg/.

>>4283946
Never because it cannot be retro by definition. "Retro" is a slightly poor word choice because it usually just means "vintage," but in this context PS2 will never be retro for the same reason art of the 2000s will never be considered "modernist" (since modernism is a specific period in art history). "Retro games" in the context of /vr/ mean games from a specific fixed period of the late 20th century.

>>4283954
>discussing ps2
>on fucking /vg/

this is some gay bait

>>4283954
Yet Dreamcast is retro.
Explain that my anti-modernist friend.

>>4283958
Why? Also surely you mean "straight-bait," I've never heard of "gay bait" since gays don't need to be baited to be gay.
Every general on /vg/ is totally disconnected from any other. The PS2 babbies who come in here and whine every week never bother to even attempt to establish that there is any interest in the topic, instead they just complain that they don't have their own board. If so many people want to discuss what you think they do, why won't you even try?

>>4283960
Dreamcast is from the 20th century and I'm a big fan of modernism.

>>4283954
Doesn't change the fact that everything older than two gens ago should be /vr/ instead of pandering to your specific pseudo-purist childhood nostalgia

>>4283940
I do wonder what, other than than the stupid goon mod(or pair of mods) that most often patrols /v/ being asspained about gamergate and anything e-celeb related that made most of /v/ become an utter hivemind of stupidity, trolls and meme-spouting?

Sixth gen is pretty popular on 4+4chan's /v/, why don't you go there to discuss it.

>>4283970
>everything older than two gens ago should be /vr/
And that's where you're wrong. Sorry, it has been settled and you don't get to have it your way.

>>4283971
>gamergate and anything e-celeb related
Those things are literal cancer that are guaranteed to derail any legitimate discussion and bring down the quality of the site overall. They cannot be tolerated in the slightest. I wish e-celeb stuff was explicitly banned from /vr/ but at least it is kept to a minimum here.

How about just letting consoles be retro once they're 18?

>>4283946
Hopefully by next year, but knowing that what's allowed on this board is determined by an incredibly narrow interpretation of a completely arbitrarily defined word, probably never.

The console is nearing 20 years old already. It obviously doesn't belong on /v/ because most posters on /v/ are younger than the fucking system. Just put it here and be done with it.

>>4284001
PS2 will literally be 18 years old next march, which is in 6 months from now.

>>4284001
we've already been over this. rolling years don't work. leave the rules alone, if you don't want to talk about retro then go to /vg/ or /v/. Sheesh!

>>4283940
>can't discuss PS2 games on /v/
Yes, you can. Go back. Even if it was allowed here, we don't want your dumb wojack posting ass here.

>>4283981
Hi there, ((Anita)) and Zoe "Goon" Quinn bot and/or /v/ mod.

>>4283940
You can easily discuss PS2 games as well as any other modern game on /v/.
>>4284001
How about no and keep your dank emoji shit in /v/, young one.

>>4284012
>rolling years don't work
Citation needed

>>4284019
>>4284016
Clearly you are retarded thus I will explain - there is zero interest in current /v/ population to discuss ps2 games. There is a clear gap in age and generations between /v/ and /vr/ that is uncovered.

>>4284024
that gap is covered by reddit, go.

>>4284021
Think about checking the date of every singlel game.

Now you're going to have to be even more autistic about which game can be posted here or not instead of going "that's on ps2, no"

Again, go to /v/ or /vg/. RETRO board. RETRO.

>>4284024
So you think that gen z games are a perfect fit for /vr/? They're not even the same millennium, champ.

PS2 garbage is in the perfect age range for /v/.

>>4284024
>t. hasn't even tried
Just because your shit board is more interested in crying about "x dev said blacks are people too on twitter wtf i hate video games now" doesn't mean they won't talk about ps2 games. go make a thread. fuck off.

>>4284001
Moving the date up even one year allows the PS2 and we already have enough games over the 2000 limit due to hardware rules. Jesus we even let Diablo 2, Deus Ex and Baldurs Gate 2 threads on here and they aren't /vr/.

>>4284029
>all ps2 discussion belongs on reddit
You're retarded.

>>4284032
Why are we talking about games? It's always been defined by consoles. Allowing discussion of PS2 and its software would produce no confusion whatsoever.

>>4284045
Look,

it's not happening. It's never happening.

Either explore retro or get out. there's no further discussion to be had here. everyone has already told you why, any further insistence is nonsense.

>>4284018
t. a 13 year old
If you have any opinion other than disgust about "e-celebrities," I seriously hope your brain is still developing because otherwise the intellectual disability is probably permanent.

>guys why can't I shit up your board too?

Just do your part /vr/ and stop replying.

>>4284034
>PS2
>Gen Z
A person born in 1995, who would now be 22 years old, could easily have had a PS2 as a child, at 5 years old. Gen Z is too young for PS2.

>>4284049
this denial, lel

>>4284024
Let me clear something up for you, there is zero interest in the current /vr/ population to discuss ps2 games.

>>4284059
You are projecting hard there mate

>>4284041
PS2 is a much bigger can of worms than one or two specific long-lived games that are tolerated. You aren't talking about introducing one PS2 thread (if you were it could just go on /vg/, problem solved).

>>4284049
PS2 is retro by any sane person's definition. There has been more time between the release od the PS2 and today than there was between the release of the NES and the PS2.

>>4284052
Gen z is 95. The millennial age range was only up to the 2000s for marketing. Now that gen z is becoming marketable the age range is the mid 90s. This is obvious to anyone that including ages that had no memory of 9/11 in the same generation was retarded.

PS2 is a gen z console.

>>4284061
So you can make a blanket statement about /v/ but I can't make a blanket statement about /vr/?

You just haven't tried hard enough.

>>4284003
Seconded, PS2 game discussion belongs in /vr/.

>>4284064
"Retro" in games was a short, dynamic era (though one that started long before NES) that ended very abruptly when the paradigms of modern gaming solidified.

>>4284050
>me
>13 years old

Oh and what makes you think that Gamergate and vidya e-celeb disccussion on /v/ is cancer? Yeah, there are circlejerks, but so does /vg/ /pol/ and /qa/ at times.
Come at me, mod

>>4284069
>you just havent tried enough

I don't know if you realize how retarded you are being. Do you seriously think making a thread 20 times until someone finally wants to discuss something is viable for whatever board?

>>4284062
So is your concern that there would be too many threads because there are so many PS2 games? Would it upset your precious SNES/Genesis monopoly?

>>4284064
>>4284071
>>4283940


Tell me one objective similarity between the PS2 and retro console. You're talking about an online console vs non here... And no we aren't including obscure 3rd party online services that never made money or were adapted widly.

>>4284075
I dunno, seems to be what you are doing spamming this off-topic shit on /vr/.

>>4283940
>Best console with the best library and the one that held up so fucking good gameplay wise games are getting released in HD and are selling.

Too old to discuss on /v/, not enough interest on /vg/ and still not considered /vr/.
I feel you man.

>>4284080
>forgetting about SEGANET

>>4284080
>muh subjective lines in the sand that distinct a console from being retro

ps2 had as much online support as a fucking dreamcast

>>4284074
No need to think about it champ, your replies have already proven to anyone reading that it's a cancer among cancers.

>>4284083
A streaming service with SEGAChannel and later was only online with DC which is an exception here.

>>4284073
This definition is completely arbitrary and founded in nothing but Gen Z autism for people who did not grow up during the era that you are referring to as "retro". As each generation passed, the latter generations were referred to as "legacy" or "retro". The NES was considered retro by the PS2's release, as was the SNES, and the N64 and PS1 were at least considered old. The NES was retro to people in 2000 at 15 years old, and the PS2 is retro to people today at 17 years old. The PS2 is more retro now than the NES was at the time of the PS2.

>>4284076
Yes.

>>4284082
>not enough interest on /vg/
Yet nobody on /vg/ is actively resisting you posting this shit there.

>and still not considered /vr/.
/vr/ doesn't want this. It has been discussed over and over again since /vr/ was created. Why are you trying to force this topic in somewhere it isn't wanted?

>>4284084
>ps2 had as much online support as a fucking dreamcast
Nice history revisionism, gen z baby.

You can't name one objective simulator because it's not a retro console.

I remember playing PS2 when I was in 2nd grade, man those were the days xD

>>4284080
Retro is not a look or an aesthetic or a style or any other bullshit like that. It is simply an age.

>>4284097
This isn't /vr/ - Old shit.

>>4284091
Founded in nothing except the consensus of most people in the hobby. The fact that you don't agree doesn't make everyone else wrong. Your opinion about what you think the definition ought to be is arbitrary too.

>>4284096
Dreamcast games are still being made to this fucking day you pleb.
Same as NES.

>>4284073
"Retro" is a fluid categorization of video games that gets updated as games and/or consoles get sufficiently old or outdated. Sure it's arbitrary, but I'd say 20 yrs old or older, and 2 generations ago or previous, qualifies as "retro". You or anyone else don't like it, or it triggers your autism into overdrive, y'all can suck big fat dicks for all I care. PS2 belongs on /vr/, period.

>>4284093
>PS2 isnt wanted

I don't want another board infested with dmc, persona and kh threads.

Never

>>4284105
Comes with the PS2 territory, anon. It is how it is. Just hide the threads you don't like, or fuck off to some other board/site. No one's forcing you to read PS2 threads.

>>4284092
>I don't want to share my board because I want to discuss the same 10 SNES/Genesis classics that I saw my favorite eCeleb play!
This board in a nutshell. The vast majority of threads on /vr/ are nothing more than delivering the same tired praise to games that have already had more than their fair share of it. Mario, Sonic, Final Fantasy, Pokemon, and Zelda have all been discussed to death, but you still keep repeating the same discussions, presumably because children are discovering them for the first time and think they're cool because they're "lol so retro xD". This board is fucking cancer.

>>4284109
>ps1 weebshit is tolerated daily here
>but ps2 will be somehow worse

>>4284107
Shit standard, anon. Fuck off.

>>4284097
>>4284103
You are factually wrong on that one. In no other sphere is a descriptor for a time period "simply an age" or a "fluid categorization," you are just arbitrarily making that up here. Baroque music isn't just "music that is 500 years old." Centuries from today 2000s pop music will not be "Baroque" or even "Classical." Classical poetry isn't just poetry that is between 1500 and 3500 years old, it's poetry from a specific era (and to a lesser degree a specific place) in history that is not changing over time.

>>4284114
Ya objective comparison is bullshit, anon

>>4284101
In the hobby of what? Gaming or "Retro gaming?"

>HEY GUYS PS2 IS RETRO NOW
>IN CELEBRATION LET'S HAVE A THREAD ABOUT PIC RELATED
>WHICH PERSONA GIRL'S GOT THE STINKIEST FARTS?
>I WISH CHIE WOULD WRAP HER ARMPIT AROUND MY HEAD AFTER SHE'S ALL SWEATY FROM WORKING OUT AND FORCE ME TO SMELL HER STINKY FEET....
>*BRAAAAAAP* SORRY ANON, I JUST HAD A BIG BEEF BOWL SO MY FARTS ARE STINKY!
haha y-yeah i want ps2 discussion too

>>4284116
>calling a "subjective" comparison "objective"
I seriously hope you don't do this.
>inb4 "b-but my objective standard is objective and not subjective at all!"

>>4284115
>Retro is a descriptor for a time period
Citation needed

This is the board for people who want to discuss that era of games from NES to DC. We don't want to talk about the era of games from PS2 to PS3.

How is this hard to understand? Would you go in a 70s classic rock thread and bitch about how you wish they would talk about GnR?

>>4284109
No one is forcing you to post ps2 here, go do it on /vg/ if you have so much to say. If the thread explodes with too much activity to be contained by one general, you will have proven your point and you can resume your arguments with good data to back you up!

Yet I know you won't do this, because no one on /vr/ actually wants to discuss this shit. You are just picking some low-hanging bait to spam in here because you know it will incite argument for a few minutes.

>>4284115
>implying the vidyasphere isn't independent of other spheres in how its subjects are categorized

6th gen is real retro, kiddo.
>>4284123
Nothing that I said is subjective. Read a dictionary.

>>4284125
I'm sorry, is this board called /board for people who want to discuss this particular era of games/ or /retro vidya/

>>4284125
Nobody's including PS3 here, anon; don't put words in people's mouths.

>>4284124
>Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other games on platforms launched in 1999 or earlier.
>Source: http://www.4chan.org/rules#vr
Game over

/v/ is already 6th gen nostalgia anyways

>>4284128
>limited to particular resolutions
>salesfagging
>online
This is all subjective, not objective at all.

>>4284138
That rule needs to be updated.

>>4284127
If you believe that there is some special reason why the normal rules would not apply in this case, the burden of proof is on you. I can see that there are no reasons for this to be an exception, so obviously the normal rules apply. I don't need to prove that because it is the default case that we have already accepted as axiomatic.

The PS2's final game was launched in 2013. You'd be discussing a game that came out 4 years ago.
>B-B-B-BUT WE COULD RESTRICT IT BY YEAR!
Then we'd just get people bitching that you posted a slightly too new game or people fudging the numbers saying "well it's ALMOST old enough to be retro :)" so no. I don't know why you people have so much trouble understanding this.

>>4284150
Nigger there are threads here where people discuss NES games made from this fucking year

how new are you

>>4284136
Several idiots have said that "retro is anything that is 18 years old!" or "retro is anything that is 2 generations old," both of which are definitions that would include the PS3 at some definite point in the near future (much nearer for one than the other).

you can have ps2 conversation in /v/ just fine.
>but quality conversation
There is non of that in 4chan. User will say that the game is either shit or good there the conversation ends.

>>4284128
>online rankings are considered dlc in this lisy
kek

>>4284141
How is resolution subjective? What? Really are you retarded? Like you don't order a 1080p monitor and get a 720p monitor only to be told by the slaemen that's "Ya bub, that shit's subjective". You are literally (not the meme) ignorant.

>>4284138
Do you think maybe, just maybe, that year was chosen because 1999 was sufficiently distant from the year of the board's creation for the consensus to be that those systems were old enough for their own board? And the word "retro" was chosen merely as a descriptor instead of just substituting it with the word "old"?

I challenge you to find an identical defintion of this so-called set-in-stone time period known as "retro" that appeared before this and outside of 4chan. The fact is it's merely a descriptive term that has just been applied to consoles as they age, and it is now being applied to PS2 (in fact it's overdue). That's how it has always been and if you weren't a Gen Z kiddy and had actually grown up playing games and paying attention to the conversations surrounding consoles as they age, you would know this.

Furthermore the words of moot are not the word of God, and I'm one of the leading people who challenged moot to get his head out of his ass and allow Dreamcast discussion back in the early days of the board's creation, because he, like you, clung to a completely illogical and arbitrary definition instead of what simply makes logical sense.

4chan needs a "last gens" board.

Start with gba, ds, psp, dreamcast, gamecube, ps2, xbox, xbox 360, ps3, and wii. Make this the rolling board, add gens to it slowly over time. Keep /vr/ pure.

>>4284146
Nope, it's actually fine.
It's working quite well and there's no reason to fix what ain't broke.

>>4284154
You have you have to download them and they are content.

>>4283940
dark cloud is from 1999 discuss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbgecoTsvZc

>>4284152
Which sounds more retro:
>game made to be played on original NES hardware, complying to NES specs, could have just as easily been released in 1988 as it has been now
OR
>PS2 soccer game released in 2013
If you retards would think for more than half a second before writing your stupid shitposts, maybe your shitty board wouldn't be so unusable. Until you learn how to think before hitting "post," >>>/v/.

>>4284158
There you go. Lobby for a new board on /qa/ instead of trying to change this one.

>>4284158
lol no. there will be /vg/ and /v/. Eventually they will come to vg

>>4284163
Since you are too dumb and uneducated on the topic you yourself chose to get in depth with here you go: those fucking ps2 soccer games are LITERALLY the same fucking ps2 soccer games from 2002 just with updated player rosters.
There is nothing current/last gen about them at all. Literally. They are leftover crumbs for poorfag south american and eastern europeans.

we are talking about a 300mhz machine here for fucks sake.

>ps2 soccer games are LITERALLY the same fucking ps2 soccer games from 2002
LOL no.

>>4284172
That soccer game was also released on 7th gen console though? Different anon here. I agree with the other anon that your argument makes no logical sense.

>>4284157
>I'm one of the leading people who challenged moot to get his head out of his ass and allow Dreamcast discussion back in the early days of the board's creation, because he, like you, clung to a completely illogical and arbitrary definition instead of what simply makes logical sense.
I drafted a form-letter for that campaign and even collected data to send to moot in favor of "clarifying the 1999 rule" which, IMO, should've included dreamcast from the beginning. Dreamcast is very distinct from the consoles that came after, including PS2, and at the time those debates were occurring (as I'm sure you remember) one of the biggest arguments against DC was "if we clarify the rules to explicitly allow it, soon enough /v/ kiddies will come in here whining about PS2 and gamecube."
The only reason I supported DC as strongly as I did was because I trusted that /vr/ could keep its head on straight and not get worked into a frenzy over some ridiculous false appeal to "fairness" towards newer consoles.

>>4284172
>w-w-w-w-w-w--wwell um ackshually it's t-t-t-t-technically the same version as released in 2002! that's plenty retro!
Completely disregarding your retardation, there are plenty of other games that were released for PS2 in 2013, 2012, 2011, and 2010. None of those years could POSSIBLY be considered retro. Stop responding.

>>4283940
>>>/vr/rules/1

>>4284176
and? tony hawk 3 is on ps1/2 and tony hawk 2 is on xbox too

But any ways 1999 is the rule so no ps2 until they change it.