/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4282550
>Try to keep it penis-related

Is there much of a difference between a trinitron and wega? I already have a great condition trinitron but there's a 27 inch wega on cl. Thing is the one I have now is 75 or so pounds and this wega is 90 pounds and I could barely carry the trinitron up my stairs. I'm really tempted to pick it up just for a back up.

>>4282738

>>4282738
WEGA/FD Trinitron is the flat screen successor to the older cylindrical face models.

Pros: it's flat, you're more likely to see component or at least s-video input since they're newer models.

Cons: usually heavier, geometry, convergence and focus near top/bottom edges are harder to get right.

Never, ever fall for the SCART meme.

>>4283160
Just ignore him, don't give him what he wants.

Theres some faint distortion constantly moving down my screen. I tried taking a picture but it doesnt show up. Basically everything about the image is fine except this inch tall patch of almost stretched out d shaped slightly grey lines constantly moving downwards. Does anyone know what that might be? It's on a Sony KV1311-CR

Is it normal for there to be such wild variances in luma between composite and s-video on a hi-black Trinitron? On the same console, s-video's luminance when displaying a 100 IRE test pattern has consistently been lower than composite video's, by around 20%. This has been the case with every console I've tried; if I target 80 nits on composite, the s-video luminance will be 60 nits or lower, causing the chroma to be massively oversaturated in comparison. Unless I'm mistaken, both composite and s-video luma signals should be identical outside of low-pass filtering?

Also, I'm noticing pretty extreme hue variances between input types as well. S-video and RF are correct at the same hue setting, but composite is way off, requiring a correction of several clicks to the left on the control. Again, with my understanding of NTSC signals, this shouldn't be the case? Is Sony just fucking around? Can any of this be defeated in the service menu? Should I just give up now?

>>4283450
I realized that the bars moving downward of bending distortion I mentioned in this post are actually being caused by my Super Famicom itself. I plugged in an N64 and there were no such issues. Has anyone else experienced such a thing? I just received the super famicom a few days ago. Is this an issue that is common? If so, I could still get my money back from the seller.

>>4283494
Strange.
My calibrated flat Toshiba CRT has the same brightness, contrast, color, and hue for composite and S-video.
Only the sharpness needs to be adjusted between them.
Presumably RF is the same but I didn't test that.

Moving up to component requires the colour, hue and brightness to be adjusted along with sharpness (but not constrast).

I guess the different inputs on your TV have different values in the service menu.

>>4283687
Are you talking about this?
http://retrorgb.com/snesverticalline.html

>>4283705
No. I tried taking a photo of what is happening with mine but it is impossible to capture. Pic is a drawing of what the distortion looks like. Really up close on the CRT it looks like waves going through the screen that wiggle the colors side to side at a width of about 1-2 pixels on the scanlines.

>>4283704
Not the case, unfortunately. SBRT, SCOL, and SHUE are global. As it stands, I've got two different user presets I can use depending on input, but it's annoying as hell because there's clearly some fuckery being applied to composite inputs that's messing with luma and hue with no readily apparent ways to defeat it in the service menu options for VP1-4.

I was looking at the spec sheets of various black Trinitron CRTVs from the 90s and I saw that some of them are said to have "Trinitron tube" and others have "Hi-black tube".

Is there any difference between these tubes? Do they have differing black levels or contrast?

I want to lick Pastel's scanlines

>>4282550
Sorry to burden yiu guys with a dumb question but how do you hook up an nes to a pvm if it doesn't accept rf or composite? To my knowledge those to are the only signals the console will output so am I going to have to mod it or do some type of converter wizardry?

>>4283932
You don't. You could get a consumer TV set instead, or spend $300 RGB modding your NES by sticking a small computer inside it and eliminating any authenticity provided by using original hardware.

>>4283932
What model PVM? Most should support composite input.

>>4284047
It's a Sony 2030
>>4283986
Heh I probably should have done some research before buying it but my other consoles look great

>>4284060
That's composite bro; you just need an RCA to BNC adapter.

>>4284070
Most appreciated man. I'm off to get one now. I'll post some images when I get it up and running later tonight. Thanks again!

>>4284090
You got it dude. NES looks great on a good CRT over composite.

I just got a Sanyo CRT from a friend and the picture quality is fantastic and it feels infinitely better than an LED to play Gradius on but it literally always says "VIDEO" in the top right corner. How do I get rid of it? Would I need to buy a universal remote to solve the problem?

Also, there's only one AV input, and it's mono. Would getting one of those AV hubs that interfaces with the coax port so I can have multiple consoles hooked up to it at once introduce input lag?

Sorry if these questions are really obvious btw, I haven't owned a CRT in 15 years.

>>4283738
Please respond.
I have to choose between a "Hi-black tube" and a "Trinitron tube" on craigslist and they are both black 90s design Sony CRTV.

>>4283712
What are you using for your AC adapter?
if i'm reading your post right, I've had a similar issue that was caused by a shit power supply via something I was told was a ground loop.

for the most part, if it's not an official nintendo/sega power supply, it's probably crap.

if it's legit, I'd recommend a recap, as that's a good general starting point with repairs.

>>4284408
which version of gradius/what system?
which video standard are you using?
any mods?
official cables? super china brand knockoffs?
what's the model on the TV?

what resolutions does a crt have? 640x680?

>>4284524
>CRT
>resolutions

>>4284524
CRTVs and Professional monitors like PVM series have 640x480 (interlaced) and also 320X240 (progressive) resolution.

CRT computer monitors except for very old ones have multiple modes all progressive starting at 640x480 and going up to 2560x1920

>>4284524
If we're talking about a standard consumer NTSC SDTV, they accept a 15.7khz input. There are some unused lines, so nominally it can display 240 lines progressive or 480 lines interlaced. Analog video doesn't really deal in pixels, but practically speaking the signal resolves about 704 pixels horizontally, though most games will only use 640, 320, or 256. So the highest resolution 15.7khz NTSC signal you'll see is about 704x480i, which was only ever used by a few games on a few consoles (Virtua Fighter 2 on the Saturn, for example). Most retro consoles have a nominal resolution of 320x240p or 256x240p, though oftentimes they'll only use 224 lines to account for overscan.

>>4284547
pic related is my tv and its progressive resolution is 320x240?

>>4284554
More like 704x240p, if we're talking about its limits. see >>4284550
But yeah, most games will be 320x240ish

Can anyone help identify these ports on the back of this Trinitron? I'm considering nabbing it for a buck but there's only a composite in on the front and these on the back.

>>4284489
Japanese Saturn version of Gradius 1 from the Deluxe Pack.
At the moment, I'm using the one composite mono input. No mods. Official Saturn AV cable. The TV model is the Sanyo DS25320

>>4284562
i have been using this vga video converter for that crt and so far it hasn't distorted the aspect ratio thankfully but the lowest my pc screen goes to is 1024x728 so thank you for clearing that up for a moment i was worried i was getting the wrong pixel size

>>4284568
also not very retro but here is what aria of sorrow looks like on it in fullscreen mode just checking to see if the pixels are wrong

>>4284481
I am using a third part power supply. That is probably the problem. Everywhere i read so far today also pointed towards a ground loop. I'll order an official one. Thanks

>>4284563
looks like composite,L,R in, and composite, mono out.
not worth it unless you plan some modding

>>4284573
Thanks mate

Clarified version of my older post because I think I know the solution now. I just got a Sanyo DS25320 from a friend, but the word VIDEO is displayed at all times in the top right hand corner. Is there any way to get this to go away without the remote or do I need to get one?

>>4284571
and here's what doom looks like, does it look normal? no stretchy pixels or anything?

>>4284572
yeah, that's VERY likely the culprit.
if that's not it, it's possibly just a grounding issue within your cable/system/setup

>>4284565
does this issue occur with any other systems?
if not, it's somewhat likely that there's a bad connection somewhere in your video setup.
any switchboxes or interruptions between the system and the TV?
do you have a spare video cable you can try?

>>4284612
>any switchboxes or interruptions between the system and the TV?
I found the manual for my TV model and I think all I need to do is replace the remote for it and then press the "info" button to get it to stop displaying.

>>4284612
I actually just tested it with the power supply from my original famicom and it fixed it. thanks again

>>4284571
>>4284610
Seems fine to me. Old games were so inconsistent in tailoring their art to pixel aspect ratio or display aspect ratio that it's not worth worrying too much about it.

>>4282550
What can I do with a HP Brio Ba410 computer monitor?

>>4284627
Get a line doubler and scanline generator and hook your consoles up to it or feed it a 240p120hz signal and play some emulators.

Does anyone have a recommendation of who to buy scart to console cables that ships from the USA ideally? Are the cheap ones on ebay really shitty?

My CRT only has a single mono composite input so I'm thinking of getting an RCA Switcher to hook up to my coax port. Will that introduce input lag?

>>4284689
It won't introduce lag, but why would you? Coax has dogshit picture quality and is mono audio anyway. Just plug a switch into the composite jack and get a y-cable to combine the audio channels.

>>4284664
Yeah, they are, at least if you're talking about the seller I had the misfortune of dealing with.

I just got mine from retrogamingcables in the UK.
yeah it's not from the US, but their cables are top-notch.

>>4284709
I was going to order from there, but they seem to be out of stock of basically everything

>>4284716
I just looked and they seemed to have just about everything.
what were you wanting?

>>4284732
It doesn't tell you if it's in stock unless you add it to the cart.

>>4284664
>scart

>>4284739
(You)

I have a TV with a weird 34pin connector for RGB i was going to build an adapter from 34 pin to scart. is there a better option

>>4284736
why do you want the phono breakout?
if you have the weird connector, why not just put the breakout there and remove connectors?

also, why are you picking some cables sync on luma and others csync?

>>4284749
My tv has mono audio and i have a receiver and speakers.

super nintendo syncs only on csync, ps1 syncs only on luma.

What breakout do you mean?

>>4284749

My tv has mono audio and i have a receiver and speakers.

super nintendo syncs only on csync, ps1 syncs only on luma.

>>4284756
sorry, clicked the wrong post on that one.
but unless your TV has a direct scart connection, that could apply to you too.
in fact, that's how I get RGB to my PVM, and I use the breakout's audio connections to go straight to the receiver.

as far as sync on luma, yeah, but RGC has csync PSX cables that pull from luma and just have a built in sync separator, which depending on your monitor, may be required.

>>4284768
Ok. I'll have to look into whether csync or luma is ideal in my case further. In terms of the breakout, what are you suggesting exactly? That i install an audio breakout on the tv end instead of on each individual cable?

>>4284771
well csync is pretty much always the better choice, I've been spoiled for a while these days since my monitor requires csync, sooooo....

but yeah, that's pretty much what I'm suggesting.
something like this:
https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/audio-video-accessories/break-out-adapters/sony-pvm-scart-converter-bnc

I'm using basically the same thing, just instead of plugging the RCAs into the TV, they go to the receiver.
but if the SCART connector goes directly into the monitor, it's kind of a moot point.

>>4284568
These boxes are usually interlaced out only, so 640x480 from the PC usually works best.

>>4282550
Here's my little setup, I used to have a massive Wega Trinitron but the cabinet I had it on couldn't support it's weight and it ended up caving in.

>>4285018
Fixed image, hopefully.

>>4285021

>>4285018
>ended up caving in.
does that mean the wega is dead cause of that? also your setup hurts my eyes just thinking of playing on that tiny thing

>>4285053
Yep, it fell face first onto the ground. Still pains me to think of it, it was in perfect condition.

How can I make my trinitron last as long as possible? I think the person I got it from was the typical old lady who took care of it well and probably didn't use it that much but waswondering what can really wear it out. I read that the fact is has a stand by wait time when you turn it on makes it last longer not sure how much truth there is to that.

yume Nikki on CRT again

>Visit the galloping ghost arcade
>Largest arcade in the U.s.
>5% of the machines are off
>Another 15-20% have screens that are so badly calibrated they may as well not be on
>Super Money Ball didn't work

Can someone who knows how to fix CRTs PLEASE send someone over there? It's fucking embarrassing. They have multiple 6 slot Neo Geos & most are so dim they can't be played.

>>4285242
I know your pain, anon. I live right next to GG and it hurts. It's so bad that every time I go, it's like there's a different rotation of games that are able to be played. Wanting to work there and fix all those fucked up monitors one of the main reasons I got interested in CRTs and how they work in the first place.

>>4285260

I saw a Marvel vs. Capcom screen that was so bad the top & bottom 20% of the screen was lack, like it had messed up horizontal hold or something. the Darkstalkers machine, my god it was bad. I don't want to badmouth the place because I appreciate what they do, but they really need a proper crt technician out there. I mentioned there was a kit you could run through a CRT to burn out any of the gunk in the gun & the guy working there had no idea it was even possible. Granted it wasn't the owner, but I feel like they need someone there who knows what the fuck they're actually doing. The fact they're expanding with another 300 machines really worries me. really disappointed they only had 3 pinball machines too. If Chicago didn't have retarded amusement laws I would open up an arcade on the north side.

>>4285273
That VSav/VSav 2 machine is fucking horrific. My main fighting game is VSav and when I want to play it and MvC2 in an arcade with my friends I end up just going to the Round 1 in Bloomingdale because even though they use a LCD screen and take credits and only have rhythm games aside from the 4 fighting games there, at least it's visible and not almost completely green. Holy shit it makes me furious. Been like that for a year at least.

They have one of the only Ninja Baseball Batman cabs in existence and it doesn't even fucking work 3/4ths of the time.

>>4285279
>They have one of the only Ninja Baseball Batman cabs in existence and it doesn't even fucking work 3/4ths of the time.

It was on when I went but it was really dark. That really depressed me when I saw it. The only Beavis & Butthead machine in existence? Shitty screen. The only Primal Rage 2 Machine ever? Shitty screen. It's a shame & they don't seem to care enough to fix any of it proper. I'd love to have my own small arcade, but realistically I could only really open a resale store that happens to sell games. Then I would have the excuse of having MAYBE 4 machines inside. I'm this close to just doing ot so people have a place to play magic/yugioh/fneo geo & stay afloat just buying things locally to flip online. At least then there would be some decent arcade machines n a good outside of the southside. You can't actually have an arcade that isn't freeplay because of the chicago laws though, so you either open a "club" where you charge at the door/charge for a pass for the year/month, or you're limited to a few machines. zoning laws are probably different where they are, but I'm guessing they're probably technically a game museum or a club judging by how they operate. If you ever find a small game store on the north side with a darkstalkers machine it's probably me.

>carnevil is almost unplayable
>house of the dead only reloads & doesn't shoot
>silent hill the arcade game is off
>Castlevania arcade has one controller broken 7 the other is always off center so you can't play it right
>tons of other random screens in just awful shape

If it weren't for the size of the place & the selection I don't think it would be in business.It's sad on a lot of levels.

I have recently aquired an old CRT computer monitor which only has VGA and no speakers.

Is there some sort of adapter I can buy that will meet in the middle so to speak, allowing me to connect headphones/speakers to the adapter to get sound?

I want to use it with DC.

>>4285440
DC VGA boxes have audio out

Picked up four JVC TM-H150CG monitors, feels good man.
None had RGB card, going to try making my own.

>>4285456

>>4284106
Damn that looks really nice - I wouldnt have guessed that is coming from composite!
Unfortunately neither of my small town electronics stores nor Wal-Mart had the adapter, so I'm going to have to wait until this weekend to play some nes.

What is the difference between cheaper low model number CRTVs and expensive high model number CRTVs of the same brand and style?

For example how much better is a Sony KV-27FV300 than a Sony KV-27FS12?

Does the higher end, higher model number TV have better focus, convergence, linearity?
Or better black levels, contrast, colour, more TVL resolution?

Basically what I'm asking is was there any reason not to buy the cheapest model of the a good brand TV in the size you want?
I know the better models have more inputs and outputs but as long as the TV has audio-out and S-video in I don't care about this because I have switchboxes.
I also don't care about extra menu features like PIP and BBE audio and VM sharpening.

I bought a lower end curved Trinitron of Craigslist. When I first turned it on and looked at the snow I noticed the corners had blurrier snow (focus) and more colourful snow (convergence) than the center.
If I had bought a higher end curved Trinitron would it have better convergence and focus?

>>4285907
General more TVL, and the stuff you mentioned. It sounds like a good consumer set would make you happy. I have PVMs and I still use a consumer set over them.

>>4285095
don't use it
>>4285907
the difference between those two wegas would be mostly down to the comb filter, pip, and the speakers. you're not really comparing high end to low end but newer to older with those two models.

>>4285095
Keep it clean and enjoy it while it lasts. Nothing lasts forever, anon, unless you don't use them at all, and where's the fun in that?

>>4285095
CRTs die regardless.

>>4284949
>not lifting with your legs
Plebs

>>4285095
My dad used to drill holes into the case (I will not do that) and adding additional heatsinks (or even fans) to components that get quite hot like vertical deflection IC for example.

>>4284949
>hundreds
I'm at my third CRT working my way up to a worth-a-shit trinitron and I've spent a grand total of $15. Who the fuck would pay more than 20 dollars for a cathode?

So I get wavy lines from my coax NES cable and don't have a remote for my Sanyo DS24205 to change it to my A/V. It's definitely something with my coax, since I've gotten the same result with my previous knockoff CRT (though the A/V was fine there).

Two questions:
How shitty are coax cable connections in general compared to A/V?
And how universal remote friendly are Sanyo TVs, primarily regarding access to the A/V channel?
No access to pictures for a few hours, sorry about that. The picture is pretty fucking boner-inspiring aside from the wavy lines, but that's just me talking.

>>4285095
Pic reminds me of a winter level Thief fan mission.

>>4286260
>How shitty are coax cable connections in general compared to A/V?
*Coax cable* typically is much higher quality than your premium magic-gnome-made monster cable. The signal carried by the coax cable is modulated composite video + mono sound.

>>4286297
It's probably just the age of this thing then. I'm sure I have a newer coax to plug into it, see if that fixes the problem.
If I'm reading you right though, coax is actually better than RCA jacks?

>>4286308
that anon is memeing you cause he overpaid for monster cables. coax is shit and picks up loads of interference even if the cable itself (the bit inbetween the two components) is of good quality. you're using an rf signal in a world full of wireless signals, what do you expect?

>>4286316
Yeah, I figured. Just making sure I woke up in the right dimension.

>>4286308
>If I'm reading you right though, coax is actually better than RCA jacks?
No. *Coaxial cable* is higher quality than whatever premium cable monster and other rip-off companies use for their AV/component cables. The actual signal used is lower quality because it is just composite video + mono modulated in such a way that it has to share the cable with hundreds of channels.
You are better off using composite cables with your NES.

>>4286316
>coax is shit
*Coax cable* IS higher quality. Try using the cable used in component cable to connect an antenna from the third story of a building to the ground floor. Or distributing cable TV for the whole house. You'll soon see why those cables are used only for short distances.

>>4286321
I meant to say RF is shit, not coax. coax is just a copper wire with a ton of plastic and rubber.

>>4286321
>You are better off using composite cables with your NES.

Thanks for clarifying. Yeah, the monster cables all just sounded like bullshit from the start. Reminded me of those "fancy" HDMI cables that they try selling for hundreds of dollars.

>>4286335
For analog signals cable quality may have some small effect that you can only see with an oscilloscope and gold plating makes the connectors keep a good contact for longer. But that doesn't justify charging hundreds of dollars for a few feet of cable.

HDMI carries a digital signal which typically uses error correction so if it works at all it'll work perfectly. If it doesn't work you'll get not picture at all, or horrible artifacts all over the place.

>>4286345
>HDMI carries a digital signal which typically uses error correction so if it works at all it'll work perfectly. If it doesn't work you'll get not picture at all, or horrible artifacts all over the place.

Exactly, which makes carbon covered HDMI cables completely asinine. You can tell they're taking full advantage of people who were used to analog signals, too.

Sure, the analog additions may help a little, but similar to the HDMI scam, they're just too damned much for too damned little.

>>4286335
I'll bet her husband was thrilled with the sound quality he paid for.

Anybody have any ideas what could cause this faint purity error in the bottom corner of my PVM-20M4U screen? My monitor's degaussing coil doesn't seem to work, nor does an external degaussing coil. I moved it away from any unshielded speakers.

Could it be the internal speaker?

>>4286345
>>4286353

>For analog signals cable quality may have some small effect that you can only see with an oscilloscope and gold plating makes the connectors keep a good contact for longer.
This is factually false. The biggest question is the context you want. Do you want the perfect cables or do you want how the console was suppose to look/sound? A lot of tracks sound different when you use perfect clear sound and there's no distortion.

>>4285995
Ok, which type of WEGA is newer, KV-(size)FV## or KV-(size)FS## series?

And for curved Hi-blacks which is newer, KV-(size)S## or KV-(size)V## series?

How much does an older style comb filter vs a newer style comb filter affect composite and RF picture, assuming TV is good brand (Japanese)?

>>4286525
>Do you want the perfect cables or do you want how the console was suppose to look/sound?

That's a fair point. Moral of the story seems to be that in this business less can be more.

>>4286531
For the WEGA (pronounced VEGA) series you have the FS and FV lines which are not any newer or older than each other. FS is the standard line while FV has the 3d digital comb filter, 15w speakers vs the 10w of the FS, and the useless picture in picture feature. There might be other features that come and go depending on the specific model but those three are the major differences between the two lines. If you do lots of stuff over composite just go for a FV set, the 3d comb filter is really the only feature that matters since you should have your systems hooked up to an AVR and a proper set of speakers. I can't really say anything about the black trinitrons cause I have no experience with them but I would wager it's the same deal since it's still S vs V like in FS and FV. A better comb filter is just going to make things less grainy and snowy, 3d>4line>3line>2line

>>4286431
Looks splendid anon

>>4285242

I can confirm what you said. I've been going there about once a year and its always the same shit.

>screen is green missing a color
>screen doesn't take up the whole screen (like its squashed in the middle

Not sure what monitors they are, but most likely Wells Gardener and such since they all seem to fail the same way (missing colors). Honestly it wouldn't be that hard to fix but they don't give a shit.

Not really CRT related but how not legit do you think this "China X7 megadrive cart" is?

>>4286650
you're right, it's not crt related at all

>>4286650
A lot of people say chink ones work fine and are worth it even if they suck since you're only paying a fraction of the price. I'd say suck it up and get the real deal

>>4286568
Can you actually hear the difference between 10w and 15w speakers?
Are the speakers different size?

>>4286784
You can hear the difference because it's a measure of how loud they can go, but you really should just use your own speaker setup because TV speakers are all equally shit.

>>4286784
>>4286804
The whole wattage=loudness thing kind of died out along with vacuum tubes. With solid state amps, there's hardly going to be a noticeable difference in volume between 10 an 15 watts. The 15 watt setup MIGHT do a better job reproducing lower frequencies, but that's because the drivers are likely to be a bit larger in the higher end model. But either way the speakers are gonna be trash compared to external units.

>>4286861
15W is 3dB louder than 10W assuming same speaker efficiency. Problem is the efficiency is unknown here.

Could anybody help me find the model number of this TV?

>>4286894
KV-8AD10
https://docs.sony.com/release//KV8AD10.PDF

Those mini trinitrons are cute. I like the white ones better tho.

So I picked up this PVM 8020 from a local thrift Store today. For some reason the picture is flickering(?) like this. I've messed around with it a bit, but I'm at my wits end. Not sure how to even describe what is happening so I'm having a a hard time troubleshooting. I'm an ametuer with this kinda stuff, figured someone more knowedleable might be able to help me.

>>4286898
I figured out what it was.
Shame it only has a composite jack.

>>4286924
most portable tvs dont even have composite and are rf only. composite is really all you need and what the developers intended.

>>4286431
What game is this anon? Just from the screenshot this looks like a fun time to the /vr/ fps fan in me.

>>4286650
They work exactly like the real ones, you just can't update the firmware. Never pay the Krikzz tax.

>>4286909
vertical hold or sync issue maybe?

>>4286909
Well of course it isn't going to work properly if you lay it on its side

>>4282550
Are there limits to which CRTs can be modded for RGB input? I'm genuinely curious if I could take my Samsung TXM2556 and just fudge in a toggle switch (in the style of this: https://youtu.be/jbi9HEz-cww)) so that I have both RGB and Component inputs

>>4287710
every crt has to do RGB at some point to drive the guns, but to keep it simple and safe it recommended to only do OSD inject or unused RGB input on the jungle chip.

Has anyone gotten a universal TV remote app on Android to interface with a CRT? I just need to hit an Info button to get the word VIDEO to disappear from the top-right corner of my CRT and I don't have a remote.

>>4287738
try your cable remote if you have one

>want to upgrade to a crt that supports component
>can't give up my Mickey Mouse crt
what a do?

>>4287738
Yes, I use the IR blaster in my Android phone to control all sorts of old electronics including TVs. My phone shipped with a "smart remote" app, but I have also used an app called "AnyMote."

>>4287753
Just use composite, bro.

>>4287741
I have this unbranded one. I found the list of possible codes for my TV (Sanyo DS25320) but no real steps in regards to programming it.

>>4287754
AnyMote did it. You're a lifesaver.

>>4287757
Well, you probably enter programming mode by holding down that "rcu setup" button for a few seconds (assuming that button doesn't normally do something else), and of course you also need to indicate which type of device you are programming a code for with that row of buttons at the top. Try different combinations of pressing the TV button and the setup button (like holding them both down at the same time, pressing one and then holding down the other, etc) followed by entering the numeric code on the keypad.
If any part of the remote is illuminated, it will probably flash or light up as feedback to tell you that you have entered programming mode.

Unfortunately these set-top-box remotes often only control the power, volume, and input functions of TVs, with all the other buttons only controlling the cable box.

Another thing to keep in mind is that any remote control with the same brand as your TV might work. You could just look for one in a thrift store or whatever.

>>4287769
>any remote control with the same brand as your TV might work
this should be common knowledge to you folk. sony is great for this as any wega remote works with any wega. for instance my rm-y180 remote works with my fs13 and my grand wega rptv

>>4287753
mod it

>>4287753
isn't disney/barbie shit sought after ? Even CRTs ?

When I press the menu button on my remote I get this strange set of letters and numbers. Is it a calibration menu or what?

>>4287961
You obviously need 7745 more EXP to level up your CRT, you n00b

You could have chosen a better background for this.

I've just located 2 Trinitron PVMs locally.
What prices should I be looking at?

>>4287969
whoops

>>4287978
Depends. We're going to need more info ya doof.

>>4288024
I think it's a PVM-1454QM, correct me if I'm wrong.
He's asking $100 for the bottom one, and he says it's in good working condition.

My apartment lost power today. I don't know if it surged at all, because I was out and my surge protector wasn't tripped, but when I got back the power wasn't working. Or rather some of it must have been getting through, because my CRT was whining oddly even though it was turned off and my room smelled terribly. I immediately unplugged it and aired out my room. The power is back and the CRT still works fine though. Is this thing damaged?

>>4288034
Actually I think it's a 14m2u

>>4286909
did you try V HOLD?

>>4286909
Sure your console's not set to output an unusual format like PAL60?

>>4288034
only an idiot would buy that

>>4288470
Tf? Why you say this?

>>4284060
How much did you pay for your 2030 and when?

Dumb question but where's my best bet to find 2048x1536 CRTs?

>>4288978
Start digging in some landfills.

>>4288978
make an ad on craigslist or your local equivalent asking for 19" or larger crt monitors and check every day for new listings

I'm not retro autistic or anything but why do older games feel better on CRTs? I did some comparison playthroughs and it feels like there is a layer of jelly or something when I play old consoles on modern HD sets. But when I play newer games I don't notice it. This is even on games I've never played before. It's especially noticeable on Dodonpachi and Star Fox 64.

>>4289152
Older games were designed for CRTs. Newer games are designed for HDTVs.
That's a general explanation, but it comes really down to a lot of things like how developers used to engineer the graphics (deeper black levels, and taking advantage of dithering and composite artifacting being just a few example), as well as the lower refresh rates. The latter in particular might explain your issues: HDTVs have far worse refresh rates than CRTs, and if you couple that with the inherently laggy process of upscaling standard-definition signals to HD then it results in an assload of frame-lag.
eg. You press jump and Mario takes 1/12th of a second to start jumping on a HDTV, versus 1/60th of a second on a CRT. So the delay between button:action is increased by a factor of 5.

Newer game consoles and PCs output HD video signals so the display doesn't have to upscale anything, resulting in no delay (Strictly speaking "less delay" but that's just me being pedantic).

>>4289179
I heard PVMs have so little delay that Mario jumps before you press the button

>>4289185
This is true but be careful that you do actually press the button or bad things could happen.

Dudes asking for $250 without any pictures of this 2030 even working.
How low should I lowball this dude?

>>4289454
I would lowball him for approximately a value of three dollars and fifty cents.

>>4289454
"If you can't even prove it works I'm going to assume it's broken; $15, or an even 20 if you help me carry it to my car"

Built a component input card thanks to the pastebin in the OP, looks pretty sweet.

>>4289454
Create 2 or 3 temporary emails. Send him ridiculous offers ranging from 10 to 20 dollars.

Send him an actual offer from your main e-mail ranging from 40 to 60 dollars, make sure to call the amount "reasonable".

>>4288768
I got two for $60 a piece several months ago. It was a both or nothing deal.

>>4289475
nice
what monitor model ?

>>4289502
JVC TM-H150C

top quality protoboard input card, will probably make it RGB too later, what connector should I use?

>>4289475
Damn bro. Looks great

>>4282550
Pardon my ignorance, but would playing Wii games on a Wii U hooked up with HDMI result in any issues? I'm kind of a newbie at all of this.

>>4288034
that's the same model I purchase. 100 bucks sounds an "eBay" price though. I pay 50.00 for mine.

>>4289454
>How low should I lowball this dude?
Unsuccessfully. He will just hold onto it and wait for a bigger idiot to come along and actually pay, because they will.

>>4289505
just put a connector like a JST, so that you can have several backplates and connectors adapted to your uses.

Slo-mo CRT raster sweep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6HAI715fog

>>4290089
woah that's cool

>>4289678
Not at all. Wii games look better on the Wii U because the video out is all digital as opposed to the Wii's analog output. Especially if you'd otherwise be playing the Wii on an HDTV via component.

Is he right about CRT PC monitors?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W86eYfO2nac

>>4290186
I have a CRT as well, but that's good to know; my Wii pooped out a little while ago, and I wasn't too intent on replacing it anytime soon.

I read in another CRT thread that for optimal picture quality your CRT must be facing east or west to minize the effect of the earth's magnetic field.

What specific visual artifacts appear when you turn your CRT to the north or south?

>>4290610
None, that sounds like bullshit placebo

>>4290610
Image rotates a little.

>>4290765
See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2k8wKHIJCE for example.

>>4287163
Quake II on PSX.

Hello guys, I was offered a 27" Sony Profeel for free, you might remember me from a few threads back. Wanted to give you a quick update.

I went to check the screen out again, this time I had a BNC adapter and could get the 240p test suite to display correctly. The screen is absolutely gorgeous, although it does have some minor upper corner pincushion distortion. How hard would that be to adjust? I do realize that I'll basically need to remove the back and climb inside this beast.

Also, this legendary old man managed to procure the original clip-on speakers a friend had bummed from him and is adding them to the set for a tenner. Amazing.

>>4287163
It's not, don't play it. It's a shit port of Quake 2 with half as many levels, loading screens every 20 feet and god awful controls. Just play it on PC if anything.

>>4291421
When you get it installed in your house please use a photoviewer on a haxxed Wii or PS2 to put a Wojak on the screen.

>>4292087
Will do, but I won't pick it up until 2 weeks from now, also I'll likely put it into storage for half a year until I move (little room for now), but I might snap a quick pic with my abysmal camera for you guys. <3

So, any thoughts on the geometry?

Will a smaller CRT have better geometry or linearity or focus or convergence than a larger CRT of the same brand and model despite both having the same tube deflection angle?

>>4292115
The geometry controls are pots on one of the side boards (better than the 20" which has them on the bottom board underneath the tube). They are pretty basic compared to the controls on more modern sets and tbqh I'd advise leaving them alone unless the "problem" is really obnoxious.

If you do decide to tinker I'd highly recommend getting a set of non-conductive pot trimmers rather than using a metal screwdriver. I managed to short out on the board when doing mine and blew a few caps which necessitated a repair (and a fresh pair of underpants).

Found a Mitsubishi CK 35FX2 for free. Should I haul the beast?

>>4292593
Yes.

>>4292585
Thank you for the advice. Well, I'd still like to look into fixing it. I found a service manual for the HF chassis, but having no background in electronics I have no clue about the circuit diagrams.

What exactly would I be looking for? How can I tell which pots will perform which distortion?

>>4292632
The D board is the one which deals with geometry (on the left hand side when viewing from the front).

Like I said controls are basic but there is a pin amp one which sound closest to your reported issue. I find it's easiest to undo the securing screw and swing the board out so you can perform the adjustments more easily. A pot trimmer can be used from the back side of the board but you'll find it very hard to watch the screen and perform the adjustment at the same time. Names are silk-screened onto the board at these adjustment points (black circles with a sort of zigzag line on the circuit diagram).

>>4292698
Forgot pic of board location.

>>4292704
...and closeup of D board.

Note RV508 pin amp adjustment point.

>>4292698
>>4292704
>>4292717
Nice, thank you. You're a real bro, anonymous, you know that?

Will this affect both upper and lower Pin? Because from what I saw, only the upper corners were distorted.

Saved it for future reference. Now let's hope I can haul the thing safely back to my place, at least I've already got a friend willing to help.

>>4292771
Ah, wait, is that were the PIN PHASE pot comes into play?

>>4292771
That's quite alright anon. Just wish I hadn't had to figure this all out for myself when I got mine last year.

They're heavy fuckers but the handles make them quite moveable. Managed to shift mine singlehandedly up a flight of stairs and onto a 3 foot high stand despite barely weighing more than it does.

Just don't blow it up alright? Post pics of the screen here before you touch anything and we'll advise if it's worth fiddling with or best left alone.

Say I don't have a way to output my PC to a CRT TV, but I have a CRT PC monitor. What's the best way to display old console games?

Currently I set the monitor to 512x224 for SNES, which is 2x horizontal and 1x vertical, so it displays natural scanlines. It's kind of weird but I guess it works.

>>4282751
I have a WEGA and the geometry is so fucked that it makes me regret ever hauling the heavy piece of shit up to my apartment. I've tried fiddling with the service menu so many times but can't get it right. I want to die. I got it for free but still hate myself for it.

>>4293450
https://www.reddit.com/r/RetroArch/comments/675ugt/guide_how_to_run_retroarch_in_240p_on_your_vga/
inb4leddit

>>4293512
Okay, now I have it running at 240p. But I can't figure out how to get the scaling right.

>>4293591
not sure what you mean. cant you adjust the image using the osd of your monitor?

>>4293625
It doesn't stretch out far enough

>>4293627
Also I don't understand why 240p is what they're aiming for.

>>4293450
Also can someone tell me again why it's not possible to just output the game to a CRT via a composite adapter or something?

>>4292624
I saved it. What an experience moving a tube so massive is.

>>4293851
The composite is pretty decent for what it is. Need to get an s video cable and bust out my yellow SNES to really see what it can do.
[spoilers]sometimes i wish i wasn't so spoiled with RGB[/spoilers]

>>4293856
Meant to attach this

>>4293851
>>4293851 (You)
The composite is pretty decent for what it is. Need to get an s video cable and bust out my yellow SNES to really see what it can do.
sometimes i wish i wasn't so spoiled with RGB

My small JVC 10" Monitor has a "set up" button on the back (not my pic, see upper right corner), which can only be reached by using some tool (like a pencil) to press it. Any idea what it might do? Can't find info on it and don't want to break anything.

Also, anybody know what the AFC switch (NORMAL <-> FAST) does?

I've been playing GBA games windowed at 480x320p is this fine or is it better to just play at 240p?

>>4294227
>is this fine or is it better to just play at 240p?
I dunno, is it? If it looks good to you, why not just stick with it?
It could just be the angle, but that looks a little squashed horizontally to me.

found an IBM g70 on CL, can't find much about it
seems like a great little monitor though
I wish my phone would pick up the colors better

retroarch users: my retroarch menu stays at a 240p resolution even after exiting a 240p game, is there any way to make it return to standard resoluton on game exit?

>Sony PVM-14N6U and PVM-1350 - $250

>Two Sony PVM units. Working well, excellent picture, clean and clear image, no major cosmetic defects other than the usual dings and scratches from use in a commercial environment. $250 for both or $140 each.

Worth it? My current Sony triniton doesn't have component input, only up to s-video.

>>4294518
>paying actual money for tiny screens when you could get big ones

>>4294158
That button collapses the raster vertically to a single line.

Unless you're a trained engineer I'd recommend not pressing it though it won't break anything.

>>4294518
250 for both is too much. 140 for one is too much. 110 is acceptable. 50-70 is what you want for something of that size.

>>4294518
that is alot of money. when you look at the prices on ebay, factor in the convenience of the buyer and also the pain in the ass of shipping for the seller. buying these sort of things in person should never cost that much.

>>4286368
Alright I managed to fix it by taping a 20 cent magnet to the corner of the tube. I'm guessing my shadow mask is probably fucked up, but at least I can enjoy muh scanlines without that super annoying purity error.

Could I damage my tv or stereo by accidentally switching the av video and audio hookups?

Is the idea with RGB/scart whatever that if you live in NA you just need to get a SCART to component converter?

Do you guys use separate speakers from your CRTs or just use the sound from the TV itself?

>>4295675
Its one way. You could also get a pvm that has rgb and do it without converting. But the jump from component to rgb in terms of video quality may not be too noticeable on a crt

>>4295719
Oh, so I should just look for a CRT with component or something? The one I have right now only has rf/composite/s-video.

>>4295683
I use separate but that's primarily because my tv doesn't have speakers.

>>4295723
Sure. Component consumer crts are the best we got in na so it would be nice to have something that can accommodate consoles that can use it. That being said it really comes down to what consoles you have and whether or not you plan on growing or modding your collection. If all you have is an nes and your not willing to mod it then you dont need to go for a crt with component.

So unless you get a PVM you are pretty much fucked if you want to play NTSC games in Europe isn't it?
I've moved here a couple months ago, but I see no sings that shows that a Trinitron that I could get around here supports NTSC.
I only have a PS2 and Wii, most games of that generation support PAL60 so no big deal, but what about older games? I read stuff about RGB fixing this, but does consumer TV's support that?

>>4284106
Not sure if you're still around but the adapter came in today. I don't think I've ever seen the nes produce as such a nice picture irl before.

I currently have a Trinitron KV-24FS120 that I'm pretty satisfied with but I just saw a local posting for a KV-27FV300. Would this be a noticeable upgrade aside from the screen size? I'm currently using HD Retrovision cables for my SNES and Genesis.

Also, any recommendations for a component switcher? Swapping cables for each console is pretty annoying

Is getting a genesis modded for s-video worth it if I have a sega CD?

>>4295934
Nah. Just a bigger screen.

Im using a cheap $15 3 to 1 component switcher that i got off amazon. Its unpowered so there is no chance of the switcher doing any processing that could induce lag or degrade the image. It just doesnt have the luxury of auto detecting sources. I have to press a button to select my source. Woe is me

>>4295897
As a follow up, I only see flat screen Trinitrons around my area, but if they support RGB via SCART (which they all have) I'll get them, I just want to play all the NTSC content.

>>4295897
You might want to do some further research but I think if you find a cheap CRT set with SCART inputs (SCART being native to Europe, so you should have a good chance) then merely buying RGB/SCART cables for your PS2 and Wii should suffice to make all games playable.
Again I could be wrong, but my logic is that "if it has SCART it should support RGB", and "if it supports RGB (which is a standard unto itself, like NTSC, PAL, and SECAM) then it should just werk".

That aside you could also get an upscaler unit like the framemesiter or Mimo Genius II and play the games on a HDTV, but that's considered heresy 'round these parts.

>>4293834
Regular VGA or HDMI to composite adapters scale the input to produce an ugly 480i out.

>>4295568
Damage is very unlikely, will make a horrible noise if you put video in audio.

>>4296121
Yes it did make a really loud buzzing noise, and I didn't even have the speakers up very loud at all. Thanks

>>4294227

Is that an Amiga monitor?

>>4296114
>>4293512
Why is 240p desired? Wouldn't you get the same or better effect just setting a custom resolution of the game's native resolution? The only difference I can see between the two methods is that I can't get rid of the black borders on 240p because I can't adjust my monitor that far out.

Hi! I have a SCART switch with analog audio out which I have headphones hooked up to. One ear sounds good but the other ear is just a buzz. Which leads me to three possible reasons I can think of:
Is my switch a dud?
Is my setup incorrect?
Does SCART only do mono output?

>>4296478
When I unplug the RGB-out on the switch, stereo works. It only buzzes when I plug it into my TV. What the fuck?

>>4296509
Scart cables are bi-directional. They are designed to also transmit both audio and video FROM the TV, so that's likely the source of the noise.

>>4294543
Cool, good to know. So, what's the use of this for an engineer?

>>4296509
Thanks. It looks like you're right. I found a temporary solution: Plug it in half-way, at an angle. The SCART input I have is a custom-made adapter for my CRT by the previous owner and is specific to my CRT. It could very well be a quirck of my CRT. Or the cord. I'm not sure.

>>4296556 Meant to reply to >>4296516

Proper 240p out = one line of pixels from the game = 1 line scanned on the monitor. Anything else results in fuzzy scaling, and with 480i you get flickering/bobbing too from the interlacing.

>>4296516
>what's the use of this for an engineer?
To initially set up the RGB bias and gain controls on the tube.

One adjusts them until the line is pure white. It avoids any north-south landing errors influencing the results.

>>4296319
Is there a way to make the custom 320x240 resolution draw out horizontally a bit more? Overscan, I guess? Basically I just reach my limit for adjusting it via the CRT's OSD. Assuming I am doing it right by setting the game's output aspect ratio to native and just stretching the image manually.

How are JVC regarded? I've got an AV32D500, which has component ports. Was currently using a consumer Sony trinition, but it only supports up to S-video. Would I be better off with hooking up the JVC?

Is there a difference between SCART and Component? Considering in the US I'd have to use a SCART to component converter anyway, it seems like it'd just make more sense to use component cables for my SNES/PS2/N64?

>>4293851
>>4293862
Fucking nice man. Good on your for saving it.

>>4295918
I am, and I'm glad it worked out for you man. I'm a big proponent of not modding NES/Famicoms for RGB so I'm always happy to help.

>>4296850
The JVC has 800 TVL. Would be worth trying out just to see how sharp it gets.

>>4296824
Set a custom resolution with less horizontal front and back porch.

if CRTs are so great then why don't they make VR headsets with CRT displays

>>4297180
>strapping a 40 pound vacuum tube timebomb to your face

You first

Someone please make a tier list for PC CRT VAG monitors.

Viewsonic, LG, Samsung, NEC, Mitsubishi, Sony, AOC, Iiyama, HP, Compaq, IBM, Dell, Toshiba, etc.
Rank all the brands you can think of into tiers.

Also, should I go for a curved or flat model?

>>4298039
Curved with component and s-video is what you should be looking for

>>4298237
>PC CRT

>>4297180
>>4297190
Disney did it

>>4298242
Ah shit, sorry anon, although I'm still going to say curved

How does RGsB work?
I thought Trinitrons could only take up to 480i but retrorgb and this video seem to indicate otherwise:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pzTfdUcAfg

>>4298272
>RGsB
It's like component. And you're talking about non retro stuff so there's that.

>>4298272
There were some later model trinitrons that can take 480p or even HD. Or PC monitors, pretty much all of those since the 90s can take at least 480p.

RGsB is RGB with sync data added onto the green signal, like how Component adds it onto the Y signal. Can be converted to the RGBS or RGBHV systems through a sync stripper chip

>>4298286
>>4298294
Fair enough. Thanks.
I'm too dumb to work out if my 20M4E can take a 480p signal until my PS2 RGB cable arrives, but it's mostly an afterthought since I'm mainly using it to play PS1 games. I do wonder though if you can force games to 240p the way you can 480p via ESR.
And yeah, not retro, sorry.

>>4298356
20M4E is 15kHz only, so no 480p. PS1 games should properly switch between 480i/240p automatically

>>4298356
M4 doesn't support 480p. Only PVMs which do support 480p are the 14L5, 20L5, and technically and 20M6MDE, but that is a very special case.

Some of the port collections of games can be hex editted to restore them back to 240p(mixed results depending on the specific collection), but forcing 240p on native 480i PS2 games isn't likely to work well. Older versions of GSM did have that sort of things as an option, but the weird way the PS2's framebuffering work seems to throw everything for a loop.

>>4298363
>>4298373
Well shit. Oh well, still otherwise a fantastic monitor.
I'll have to try the hex-edit thing though, as I had been planning to go through the metal slug anthology with a friend and it'd be nice to play through it in 240p.

Thanks again for all the help.

My current consoles are:
NES(composite)
SNES(s-video)
N64(s-video)

Genesis 1(composite)

PS2(s-video)

If I'm looking to upgrade, does this look about right?

Including what's in the picture, plus 2 SCART to Component converters, and component cables for PS2. And yes, I realize the SNES cable seems to be out of stock.

A seller has:
>BVM-2016P
>PVM-20M4A
Both are 600TVL apparently, both with low hours.

Which should I go for?

>>4299292
BVM if you're going to use RGB only, as it requires addon cards for decoding foreign signals.

>>4298039
no problem with pc flats. They are a bit more bulky and heavier.

The power went out in my house and my CRT broke, it doesn't power on.

Only the led goes on, I don't hear the clicking sound when I plug it in or anything, it broke.

It's fucking 155lbs so I can't just take it to a repair shop because I'm by myself (tfw no friends)

How should I kill myself?

>>4299529
Sony FD Trinitron PC CRTs are notorious for G2 drift.

This also includes Dell, IBM, Sun, SGI rebadges. Probably others too with Sony tubes and chassis.

>>4299530
I'd help you but you reaction image tell me you should leave instead,.

>>4299530
touch the big capacitors to check if the power supply still works

>>4299530
The model is KV-32FS60E

And here's the user manual, schematics and shit: https://my.mixtape.moe/vkibyy.pdf

>>4299543
>>4299549
I'll plug it in and stick my hand inside and hope it just discharges on me, that way I can go to CRT heaven

>>4298039
For a high-res primary display: Eizo, NEC, iiyama.
For low-res retro gaming, anything will do. Smaller screens look nicer imo unless you like thin scanlines.
and curved > flat.

Can potentially rained on and found in the dewy morning TV's be dried to a functional state? One of them I tried once the internals all seemed dry and the picture was hazily distorted with a crackling coming out of the tube, the other one I set out to dry without testing to avoid frying the electronics as I probably did with the first.

>>4299542
>Sony FD Trinitron PC CRTs are notorious for G2 drift.
1.5 €/$/£ delivered fix

Question. There's a guy near me selling a BVM-20F1U with just under 29k hours for $900. Is that a fair price or should I try to negotiate the price down?

If I want to get a somewhat authentic look for NES/SNES games on my PC CRT, what's the best method for this? Set it to 2048x240 and use linear horizontal scaling? Or do that and use the tvout-tweaks shader?

>>4299752
>1.5 €/$/£ delivered fix
What's the fix?

>>4299878

Hey /crt/ is this a good monitor for retro?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/JVC-TM-A101G-Broadcast-Color-CRT-Rack-Mountable-Monitor-as-is/322738916350?_trkparms=aid%3D777003%26algo%3DDISCL.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D47507%26meid%3D71419feddd56438bb557099fdae69786%26pid%3D100012%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D321197370107&_trksid=p2047675.c100012.m1985

>>4299818
Got one with 1/6 the hours for 1/9 the price.

Negotiate the fuck out of that joker.

>>4299984
But what do you do with that serial cable? Reprogram an eeprom?

>>4300328
Yep, for Sony displays there's calibration software called WinDAS http://www.piclist.com/images/com/geocities/www/gregua/windas/index.htm

>>4300056
It's not great, composite input only, pretty low rated resolution and wide stripe pitch.

>>4300494
Thanks, I figured as much. One of those too good to be worth it moments. I'm looking for something respectable but economic, perhaps that's an oxymoron. I've looked at frameisters and the sticker shock gets me every time.

>>4299542
What is G2 drift?

Any thoughts on this? It's a Sony KV-27FV300.
It's free for me to pick up but I know its gonna be a bitch hauling the 100 or so pounds it weighs.

>>4300607
The FV models are a higher tier than the basic FS models. If you are lucky it may even have a better high voltage regulator, check the documentation to see if this is the case. It'd pick it up, specially since it is free.

>>4300537
G2 = screen voltage, accelerates the electron beam, when it goes up black levels will become visible even if you have the brightness setting all the way down.

>>4300652
Thanks for the input. It seems that Sony added a HV regulator to the later 310 model, which I'm okay with. Now to see if my buddy can help me lug it up to my place.

>>4300670
you'll be fine skeltal just like turn it sideways through doorways.

is there much of a benefit to playing 6th generation consoles on CRT/PVM? Do scanlines fit the look of that generation?

>>4301113
You're talking about eyebleed 480i so ya unless you want to deal with the lag of deinterlacing on OLED/LCD. Xbox and GC no since anything worth playing is 480p+.

Not retro.

>>4301113
>do scanlines fit the look of that generation?
When most people say "scanlines" they are referring to the blank space between lines drawn to the screen. These really only exist on 240p output, which 6th gen games are 480i/p. Much of this is up to opinion, but I think most people will tell you that 6th gen is "modern" enough that it looks great on modern displays with proper upscaling. By all means, huddle over a 20 inch CRT if that's what you're into.

>>4301121
You do get a "scanline" effect with most PC CRTs, which can be used with those consoles in 480p mode.

>>4301130
Using what hardware to get H/V sync? Are you euro? I never saw those when I used my GBS but granted that's not for 6th gen.

>>4299729
My Amiga 1080 was left in the rain for days and infested with bugs. After days (!!!) of drying some intense cleaning, it worked just fine, albeit with a few issues that were probably not from the rain. Depends on the TV's innards I guess.

>>4301134
Many ways to skin a cat, some are uglier than others.

Component from any of them through GBS is easy, but on the revision I have at least it tries to crop overscan and upscale what's left, so doesn't look that nice. Also adds a couple frames delay. A nicer option would be direct component to RGBHV converter.


DC puts out RGBHV natively, would just need the output box/cable.

PS2 and Xbox with modded BIOS can put out RGsB, can be used directly with the few PC monitors that allow sync on green or composite level combined sync. For those that don't, can go through a sync separator chip.

NTSC GCN can use expensive digital to VGA or HDMI + HDMI to VGA. Or just get a Wii. PAL GCN no 480p for you.

PS2/Wii can use cheap HDMI converter (make sure it's one that doesn't upscale) + HDMI to VGA but then you're getting an ADC feeding a DAC, which just feels wrong.

>>4299530
Drop it on your head you piece of shit

>>4301121
480i is bad for modern displays too and will produce a laggier, blurrier image. 480p is OK, but stretching will result in lag, and the few xbox games in 720p hardly justify the majority that aren't.

pic related
anyone know what model this is?

>>4301121
Some close up scanline action with a 17" trinitron at 640x480

>>4282550
You know, OP, my April 1980 Color Sampo 13" TV displays Nintendo roms and real games alike beautifully, but my cameras won't pick up the correct tint and hue, so pictures ruin the point. At any rate, I completely forget I'm emulating while playing on that TV. It's a shame I can't show you guys the correct Super Mario Bros. hue. I'll try to take some pictures of some other games, but damn I need a better camera.

>>4299515
BVM it is.
Thanks bro. And apologies for the late reply.

>>4286297
Coaxial is not superior since it combines the video and sound signals and it also produces a lot of color bleed and blurring, but it is authentic and it's how I prefer to play.

>>4301526
Coaxial *cable* does not imply RF. Component and composite are usually carried over coaxial cables too.

RF>Coaxial>composite

Twin leads have to be the worst, but if you can get past the increased interference and bleed, it's retro good times.

>>4301532
You got a point, but to most eyes the visual effect is negligible. That was stupid of me, but since I'm so used to the two going hand in hand with matching transformers (for old, old TVs with no coaxial inputs) it seemed correct.

I bet a blindfolded test would result in hardly anyone discerning the difference.

>>4301539
>I bet a blindfolded test would result in hardly anyone discerning the difference.
Make the cable long enough and even the blind will tell the difference.

>>4301551
You're telling the truth, but you're pretty much saying that one is matte finish dog turd quality while the other is glossy finish dog turd quality in the final analysis. Someone mentioned Monster cables, well, they are shielded well, but I get what you mean, the signal can be degraded, but it's negligible unless put to some extraordinary test, like being sent over any more than say 15 ft? Maybe less, but who wants long cables?

>>4299729
>and the picture was hazily distorted with a crackling coming out of the tube
It's possible that the rain washed away a considerable amount of the aquadag coating the outside of the tube, and the crackling is the sound of the tube discharging where ever it can.

>>4299542
>>4300439
I actually need to order of one of those to see if I can raise the G2 on mine to deal with low light output; Dunno if it's just how old and abused this poor SGI is or an odd quark of it actually going down, but just a bit is all I really need.

Thinking about it though, it isn't actually an FD tube in my case.

>Got a BVM 20f1e 2 weeks ago
>Can't stop adjusting the linearity
>Can't tell if I'm making it better or worse

Someone just end my life

I have a trinitron VHS combi

Pic related is the manual. Does that mean the one scart socket can also be used to record a vhs to a capture card?

>>4302964
yes, you need a scart-rca adapter with a in-out switch

Is a sony kv-24fv300 worth buying at $50?

>>4302705

Man I’ve fallen into that trap before luckily the service manual had the default values, but that was consumer. Does it have a service manual?

>>4303587

Incidentally, does anyone happen to own a 21 inch trinitron that has good geometry? If so would you be able to share a picture of your service menu geometry settings? I’m desperate to try and get mine to a decent level.

>>4303587
>>4303592
What are the default values? Mine has H and V AMP and BALANCE that go from 0 to 200

>>4304229

Is it a trinitron? The values on mine only go to 36.

I had a quick go and I found out that some of the values only change when I’m on a certain source channel, which is annoying since it’s not the RGB input so I can’t compare it out to the 240p grid unless I keep switching back and forth.

>>4303592
>If so would you be able to share a picture of your service menu geometry settings? I’m desperate to try and get mine to a decent level.
You can't just take the settings of one monitor and apply them to another and expect them to give equal results. The various settings in the service menu need to be adjusted specifically to suit the individual monitor/TV they're being applied to. It's not some sort of digital setting that will have the exact same effect between sets of the same model.

>>4304258

Ah well, it was a long shot.

>>4303530
pls respond, thinking of going to get it today.

Where do you all find your BVM/PVMs? They all seem north of $200 and are heavily camped on ebay. Would it be worth calling hospitals/broadcasting stations to see if they have any sitting around or should I be expected to pay a premium at this point?

>>4304325
Hospitals are impossible these days in my experience. I have family in many levels of medical profession and no one knows shit about where it all went when LCD screens replaced them.

Production and broadcast is hit and miss, I've heard stories of people lucking out on asking around but the vast majority of them will sell their old stock off at auction. Usually through an auction site dedicated to selling off AV equipment and there you can usually find good deals if you're willing to travel as all auctions are like "hurrr we can offer packaging service for 20lbs+ items that'll be $299 plus premium plus 30% plus tip thanx"

>>4287205
can it savestate?

>>4282550
I still own a little CRT I bought with my own money from working at a grocery store. I played Paper Mario on that thing. That was a magical time of my life when things seemed to be looking up. Then 9/11 happened. True story.

>>4304631
I don't know the differences between the 40 Genesis EDs, but I didn't think any of the Genesis ones could save state.

Yesterday evening I was playing on my CRT and when I went to sleep I forgot to turn off the CRT.
I turned off my Dreamcast, the screen got dark and I thought TV was off.
Next morning I realize from the red LED the TV was on for 8 hours.
How much wear and tear did this cause on the tube?
Is it as bad as leaving a running game on the screen for 8 hours?
Will there now be a burn-in of fullscreen black image causing all future games played to be darker than normal?


New rule: turn the TV off before you turn off the console.

What is the opinion on magnums

>>4304701
It's 8 extra hours on the tube, but it was an essentially blank image without anything actually being sent to hit the screen. Unless it's already incredibly worn, you've still got thousands upon thousands of hours of use in it.

No it isn't nearly as bad as leaving a game running, as stuff is actually being actively drawn to the screen then, meaning you can actually burn stuff into the phosphor surface. A black screen isn't going to have much of an affect at all.

>Will there now be a burn-in of fullscreen black image causing all future games played to be darker than normal?
I'm not sure if that's a joke or not, but no. You need to remember; Black = Off and White = On. Displaying a bright full white picture for extended periods of time is what would lead to the picture growing dimmer and less vibrant (eventually).

Is there a way to stream CRT’s reliably?

I’m planning on doing some streaming/recording and I’m not sure if at that point I’m better off with an emulator or a framemeister.

fucking why Retroarch

why do I get perfect vsync with bilinear filtering on but as soon as I turn it off the screen tearing is horrible? I've gone through retroarch settings and the nvidia control panel and nothing seems to help

>>4305078
>stream CRTs

>>4305227
alright let me clarify then lil bitch

stream consoles with a capture card while using a CRT

all I can really think of is splitters and using an XCapture from Micomsoft

>>4305240
Splitter or CRT with passthrough outputs is best option.

>>4304701
I do this all the time, some of my carts need the battery replaced so in the mean time I'll just let it run and turn the tv off until I beat the game. I haven't noticed any issues with my set and I regularly did this as a kid as well.
>>4304723
Is right, full white screen/ static images would be damaging over time and cause burn in but even that would be semi correctable if the entire screen faded at near the same rate.

>>4305248
gotcha, thanks.

I have a xrgb mini but I’m wondering what I can do to stream the troublesome games like Silent Hill.

My other idea was using a PSTV to play those and run that through the xrgb mini but iirc sony’s emulation of the PS1 already makes it look shitty so the framemeister can’t do much when the source is already altered and shit.

>>4304715
Too small

My current setup in my new house. The boxes in the back are the rest of my consoles and games.

>>4303530
>>4304321
Not $50, maybe $25 but even that is a stretch considering many people are giving them away. Definitely test it if you can, I don't have that exact model but a similar one and I really like it. Try to talk the seller down once you get there, inspect it, then offer $25. If the seller doesn't budge on price you need to walk away.

>>4303530
A late model WEGA is only worth getting for free, anon. Unless you don't mind pissing away money I wouldn't pay anything for it.

>>4305270
>TV on the floor

>>4305279
Not like I have much of an option right now. I'm getting my Kallax shelving units soon and I'll be much better off.

What cable should I get for my OG Xbox? My CRT has component and S-Video.

>>4305310
get one of the advanced av packs. I use the s-video one because I'm too cheap to buy a component version and it works fine.

>>4305240
>>4305254
If your CRT of choice doesn't have an output of some sort you can leach off of, and you don't have a setup where you can say use one video signal to play and another to record(depending on console), a distribution amplifier is what you'd want. Just using a splitter will degrade the quality both on the CRT and the capture.

>>4305319
This thing?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-OFFICIAL-MICROSOFT-OEM-ORIGINAL-XBOX-ADVANCED-AVS-AV-S-VIDEO-CABLE-PACK-/310325050374?hash=item4840d07c06:g:2CoAAOxy~g5RwgsE

>>4305330
Yes that is what I use but if you're starting with nothin I would aim for a component pack.

>>4302705
Update

I've being staring and adjusting it every few hours now thinking I can see image distortion that now my laptop screen looks like it's bending as I scroll and nothing looks straight

>>4284106
>NES looks great on a good CRT over composite.
Well, it can only run over composite, since the graphics chip for some reason internally outputs a composite signal. I dunno why, stuff like the Atari 2600 didn't do that.

>>4305321

Gotcha, how much do those typically go for?

>>4305521
For cheap shit composite ones, under $10 http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-to-4-Car-DVD-LCD-Video-Monitor-Amplifier-Booster-Distribution-Splitter-RCA-/332144518023?epid=860234020&hash=item4d555b2387:g:z98AAOSw4CFYuged Expect to spend more for S-Video/Component/RGB

>>4305397
you've fallen down a rabbit hole that no man should ever encounter. I'm sorry anon, there's nothing we can do to save you.

Someone help an Anon who lives in Jew York Shitty find a good CRT without busting my ass on absurd online prices.

>>4305673
Whatcha lookin for?

>>4305849
I'd like a Sony one, but I'm desperate for one that isn't a piece of shit.

>>4305857
BVM?

>>4305858
>BVM
I know I'm going to be called a retard but what does that mean? I'm a newfag to these threads.

>>4305863
Just a fancy crt.

If anyone’s selling a CRT or a PVM for not absurd crazy prices drop me a way to contact you.

Been looking around the Miami area but I can’t reallt find anything unless I’m just looking at the wrong places.

>>4305867
>Just a fancy crt.
Well, I guess I'll try to find one of those.
Where should I start looking, though, especially in a huge urban area like NYC?

>>4305869
Me, right here. I'll sell you mine for a ridiculous amount of money. It's really sweet though

>>4305521
>>4305542
You can actually find some pretty decent and sizable Key Digital RGB/Component amps for "cheap" on ebay.

>>4305894
Any suggestions?

>>4305896
http://www.ebay.com/itm/172827703005

>>4299818
I'd quite frankly just set up a meeting and not show.
using several email addresses and aliases.
several times.
I'd fuck with him

Here's some pics I took of my PVM 2530 running my Neo Geo AES

>>4306019

What's the besrt CRT I can get reasonably quick for like $200?

14M2U?

>>4306019
>>4306024
Also where can I find a general information about PVM 2530s besides user instructions I've found online. Like resolutions or image adjustment?

I've decided that it's time to get rid of one of my monitors. I've got a PVM 20M2U and BVM 20G1U.
Logic would tell me to just get rid of the PVM since I've got something better, but there's some things that worry me about the BVM.
It's got a few chips in the glass, though they're hard to see while using and there's a very slight horizontal jitter. Again, it can't really be seen when in use but still bugs me. It's also got upwards of 35k hours.
The PVM on the other hand is in really great shape other than some slight geometry and convergence problems, neither of which bother me all that much. (Still would like to eventually fix)
I'll also add that I don't really need the s video the PVM has, albeit a nice feature. All I would really use on either would be RGB SNES, PCE, MD, and (occasionally) PS1.
Please give me some advice.

>>4306069
Sell the PVM to me.

I have a panasonic CT-27SX12AF and I’m new to /vr/ willing tto play n64 with everdrive with is this crt ok?

Pic related (got from google)

>>4300607
Went ahead and picked her up. I'm liking it so far.

hi guys, I have a dumb question. I need a small tv, most likely 15-16 inches, to use with my n64. What model do you suggest that is cheap? I live in europe

>>4306045
The service manual is on Shmups, but i've uploaded it it here for you - https://my.mixtape.moe/unlasm.pdf

Also google the service manual for the PVM-2730QM - same set for EU and Aus. Those two manuals cover most revisions of the set, ones with S-Video and without, and with SCART or the weird-ass D25 connector on the US 2530. I think you can still get SCART adapters for those, in fact your images look like you're using RGB. If not, try to get S-video at least, it’s tons better than composite.

There is no OSD. 10 screws around the back of the case release the shell. Size, position and geometry adjustments are limited to pots on the D & D2 boards. Bias is two pots on the C board, gain is two on the B board. Convergence is D3 and the H-stat - the latter being the fat red resin block with the knob on it that sits between the flyback and the Anode cap. Pic related. The adjustments are labelled. A thin flat-bladed screwdriver will fit through the holes from the reverse side of the boards, so you never have to move them. Get an insulated one, because you have to make the adjustments while the set is on. Read the service manual to figure out what you want to play with, and in particular, what order to do the convergence adjustments in - these are pretty good, but can't fix things if the rings around the neck are in the wrong spots, which is a whole other bag.

If the HV is arcing or crackling around the red resin block, be careful. And the B+ is exposed in a few spots, but if you don't try to touch the boards with metal or your hands while the set is running, you'll be fine. Do it one handed and only lean on the plastic casing around the tube at the front, if you have to.

>>4306372
>>4306045
Lastly, it's a CRT, so "resolutions" isn't a very good way of describing what it's capable of. At 15kHz it'll do 240p and 480i only, but super-resolutions like 2560x240p are still 240p. Try reading sections b) through e) of this guide: https://www.aussiearcade.com/showthread.php/87668-A-guide-to-connecting-your-Windows-PC-to-an-SD-CRT-TV-PVM-or-Arcade-Monitor

Nice sets, those. And I wish mine were in the same condition as that one

>>4306374
>>4306045

Sorry, as in, the set is a 15kHz CRT. It will go to a shade over 16.2kHz happily, though you'll probably be playing with the V-hold knob on the back to get there, but won't go any higher.

If that confuses you, read the guide in the link above. That's mostly for PC though, consoles work at 15kHz, and won't work on your set at anything above 480i - so no 480p, 1080i or 720p.

And fuck me, the SM doesn't seem to have worked. I can't get the link to load. DESU the 2730 SM is the same, regarding adjustments. If you really feel the need, mikejmoffit uploaded the 2530 SM on shmups a while back.

>>4306320
Errr, CRT's are no longer made, therefore anything nearby/cheap is great to start you out. Ideally you want Composite, S-video and SCART RGB ports, though the n64 doesn't output RGB natively it'd be nice to future-proof yourself a little. IF you fall in love again, start looking at higher end sets like PVMs, i guess.

>>4306381
I know they are no longer made
very well, I'll search around my area

>>4305515
I know, anon; this is /vr/, not /r/retrogaming. For the record, the Atari 2600 DID do that; it does not generate an RGB signal internally.

>>4305673
Pick one up off the curb.

What do you guys think of the Ikegami 1505R?

So apparently Ikegami is still making CRT monitors. Anyone ever encounter one of these things in the wild?

https://www.ikegami.com/archives/menu2/htm-1990r

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/632861-REG/Ikegami_HTM1917R_HTM_1917_R_19_HDTV_SDTV_Multi_Format.html

>>4306831
Pretty much eBay prices, might as well buy new.

>>4306884
No kidding. Imagine having a tube with 0 hours on it. With internal test signals!

Seriously someone convince me not to buy this

>>4306921
do you have a couple of grand to burn on this??

>>4306941
No. No I do not. Phew thanks that was easy.

>>4306471
2600 does luma/chroma, svideo modding is decently easy

>>4306379
Would a gamecube/PS2/Dreamcast running on RGB work at 480i?

That's my big question.

On retrorgb, they make the distinction of using the on ps2 as opposed to component. I thought component was rgb? How do other ntsc users get rgb, I assumed everyone ntsc was having to use a scart to component converter to actually hook into the display at some point along the way?

Are people importing old EU CRTs or something?

>>4307012
This is why Americans still fuck around with S-video, the only RGB-capable CRTs you can find in the US are broadcast equipment and the like, no consumer-grade equipment compatible with broadcast standards such as NTSC shipped with it in the US.
>Are people importing old EU CRTs or something?
I don't think so, shipping is really expensive on these pieces. I wanted to get a Sony PVM, but they seem to be basically impossible to find outside Japan and North America, but it's just so hard for me to justify the shipping cost.

>>4307012
>I thought component was rgb?
Component can be YPbPr or RGB or other less common systems.

>How do other ntsc users get rgb
It's selected in the PS2 system menu.

>I assumed everyone ntsc was having to use a scart to component converter to actually hook into the display at some point along the way?
No. You select YPbPr in the system menu and use component cables for PS2.

>>4307030
So buying snes/genesis scart cables and using a scart to component converter would be dumb, then? Seems like the only option is shelling out either $200 for a 14" pvm/bvm or $700+ for a 19-20", fug.

>>4307040
>So buying snes/genesis scart cables and using a scart to component converter would be dumb, then?
I'm only talking about the PS2, as was the post I replied to. The PS2 can output either RGB or YPbPr. The genesis and snes can only output RGB so a RGB to YPbPr converter can be useful.

>got 31 inch CRT for gamin
>looking around for PC CRT for VGA
>visiting grandfather
>find Dell E772c still in box, unopened and still sealed
Only 17 inches, but mint condition.

>>4307051
Oh, so you're saying for ps2 specifically there's an option for either component directly or scart via component. Whereas snes/genesis would just be scart via component. Sorry if I'm being retarded here, just wanna be clear.

Is a pvm-1910 worth paying $200 for? Can't seem to find anything beyond a 14 inch between the $150 and $500 price range.

>>4307096
>Oh, so you're saying for ps2 specifically there's an option for either component directly or scart via component.
No. There's a menu option that lets you choose whether the component cables will output YPbPr or RGB.

>Whereas snes/genesis would just be scart via component.
SCART is not synonymous with RGB. It is perfectly possible to use RGB without SCART.

>>4307026
>the only RGB-capable CRTs you can find in the US are broadcast equipment and the like, no consumer-grade equipment compatible with broadcast standards such as NTSC shipped with it in the US.
There were analog RGB monitors for computers over here, you just usually had to make the cables yourself.

>>4307123
Well shit, I learned a new thing today. Thanks a ton, anon!

>>4307140
Yeah, but those aren't really compatible with TV standards.

>>4307149
>Yeah, but those aren't really compatible with TV standards.
Sure they are. The Commodore 1080 and 1084 certainly are. In fact, here's a whole list of mutisync monitors:
http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/15KHz_SVGA_Monitors

>>4306971
Yes.

>>4307149
See any of the monitors that regularly shipped with an Amiga/Atari ST or similar, those usually are both 15kHz RGB and NTSC component compatible.

Also some monitors intended for PC with a CGA card have RGBI and NTSC composite, however the RGBI will be intended for 5V TTL levels not the standard 0.7V into 75 ohm.

I'm at a weird point in what I'm looking for it's not truly "retro" in relation to what the rules say but this has to be the best place to ask this. I took peoples advice on here to buy component cables for my Wii to play Gamecube games in 480p. What kind of tv should I look for to play these? I've got two CRTs without component inputs. Thanks in advance if anyone can help me.

>>4308431
You should definitely use an LCD or modern TV. Anything over 480i imo looks better on a flatscreen, as they were made to handle these standard resolutions, whereas the "retro" resolution of 240p is considered low-res and aren't handled nearly as well. 480p will be handled even better by your TV, so I wouldn't recommend looking into or using CRTs. Of course, make sure your Wii is in 480p mode. Be sure to enable "game-mode" or something of the like to reduce latency if your TV has, and only put the video in widescreen if your games support it. Hope I helped!

>>4308464
Thanks man, that's exactly what I was looking for. So as long as it has component inputs it should work perfect?

>>4307026
S-video is about 90% of the way to RGB in terms of picture quality at 240p, anyway. Even at 480i it's pretty close, particularly on an aperture grille screen. Composite to s-video is definitely the single biggest leap in image quality you can make.

Does anyone have any knowledge about a Toshiba 34HF81? I'm thinking about picking one up and it would further entice me if someone had any input about the TV itself.

https://www.cnet.com/products/toshiba-34hf81/specs/

>widescreen/HD
Yes, I am aware, however I honestly think these CRT's look amazing, especially with "non" retro systems.

>>4307102
Pls respond.

The price seems to good to be true compared to other p/bvms of the same size.

>>4309009
at first I thought you were talking about bvm-1910 which a fantastic monitor.
Then I saw it's pvm-1910. Looks okay but not for 200 buckarinos. 350 TVLs is quite on the low side for monitors.

>>4309158
It's hard shopping for a pvm/bvm without knowing what I'm looking for in them. TVLs seem like one of the more important ones?