/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4274945
And by extension.

>>4274943
Hydorah and Blue Revolver are the only ones I can think of. Neither are retro though.

Bosses are terrible, but otherwise it's a spot on R-type clone.

>>4275287
I loved how Manfred Trenz didn't give a shit about the playtesters who were concerned about the difficulty.
As long as he could beat it on a single life then it was easy enough.
A shame that he more or less fell into complete obscurity.

>>4275287

People also seem to like pic related, but it's too Euro for me.

>>4275853
>it's too Euro for me

what does that even mean

>>4274943

>>4277884

Has a few euroshmup traits, like a health bar and unbalanced weapon upgrades. It's a cakewalk if you maxed them out and pure hell if you don't have any.

>>4279351

Perhaps more of a shooter / puzzle hybrid. It was less about shooting down enemies than it was figuring out how to advance to the next screen. You have limited quantities of weapons, and have to use them functionally to surmount the various obstacles the game places in your path. On harder modes, you'll have to sacrifice a few ships just to replenish your weaponry.

Also, no mention of Centipede or Millipede?

>>4279382
>Also, no mention of Centipede or Millipede?

Oh, right. Post-2nd gen. Although I think Millipede may be third-generation. The NES port was nice.

>>4279387
Yeah, 2nd gen had TON of awesome western developed shmups.

>>4275853
> Enforcer
It's up there as one of the best shmups on the C64. Unfortunately it's also not a very good game.

>>4279382
>Cybernoid
Horrible joyless shit. The worst part is the endless bits where you have to go through the little "mazes" of enemies that constantly move up and down. Only you don't maintain position when not touching the controls, so you have to repeatedly tap up or you just fall straight into them. It's like a Parkinson's simulator. Complete anti-fun that the nice graphics and music can't disguise from the stink of a turd.

Banshee (this one is really overlooked)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6B8i1IrHkY
Project S11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8Fw0zJYXfI
SWIV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ApMzEbfpH8

>>4274952
This one's actually pretty bad.

>>4280765
git gud

>>4280891
no it's not

>>4279382
Everything I've seen of this just seems far worse than the ZX Spectrum version I grew up playing. The rooms of enemies would be kind of randomised placement/movement and not only could you farm them for required crystals but you could get past them easier. The timing through those crushers was still a bitchwhore though.

Loved its ingame tune.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaBZbBRpNiQ

>>4280841
These look pretty cool.

SWIV sounds familiar. Was that ported to any consoles?

>>4284975
It's a series. There was super swiv aka fire power 2000.

>>4285146
How many games are there in the series?

>>4286986
Just 4.
Silkworm (Arcade and computers)
SWIV (computers and GBC)
Mega/Super Swiv/Firepower 2000 (consoles)
And SWIV 3D for PC?

>>4287037
Cool. Thanks for the info.

>>4280891
Sorry but I disagree. Raptor is pretty good

>>4287494
Shite, the graphics are good. Does it have cool music too? Hybris was dope.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKltp-EWxxE

>>4274943
shit my dude, I remember playing beer when I was like 10.
really great shmup.

>>4291431
Sadly the music isn't on par with the graphics. This and maybe Venom Wing are the few examples of Shmups on the Amiga without ingame music at all. Music is only played during the intro and title screen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGfh6NHxURY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wQkkS7fVBE

>>4275230
Thanks for the recommendations anyway.

X2 on the PS1, sequel to some Amiga shooter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u6aoafgCSI
Wonder how many Euro shooters were made for the PX1.

>>4294559
interesting

>>4294559
Oh shit if you're gonna download this get the Japanese release published by Capcom, it has weapon rebalancings that severely improve the game.

>>4294559
Oh shit if you're gonna download this get the Japanese release published by Capcom, it has weapon rebalancings that severely improve the game. You know you have the right one if there's a Capcom right before the intro.

>>4296879
And 60hz is nice too. Are the menus still in English?
I wonder how many games were rebalanced/improved for Japan.

>>4296879
>>4296927
The difference is tremendous.
https://youtu.be/68S4N-8gLFI?t=5m42s

>>4296879
>>4296936
Thanks for the heads up.

>>4274943
>western shmups
Why would you do this to yourself?

>>4300737
nah, some of them are cool

>>4296879
what a shit cover

why would that cover make anyone want to play that game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoqahGI9zm8&

>>4304573
Looks cool.

Rendering Ranger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe1vQnfzLVs

>>4306506
That game looks nice as fuck.

Thanks for the suggestions, guys.

>>4306506
Is this the best looking game on the SNES?

>>4311270
But it's kinda of a bore. Super Turrican is still better IMHO.

>>4311276
>a classic is better than a game no one cares about

no shit

>>4313091
I mean, both games are by Manfred Trenz.

>>4311270
Oh definitely, but I wish we got the beta version with handdrawn art.

>>4300737
No idea. Some people just like to eat shit.

>>4274945
>>4274949
Is Tyrian the greatest western shmup of all time?

>>4282651
>>4289274
Yes it is. it's basically a really weak raiden clone with monies and a shop.

>>4313537
>both games are by Manfred Trenz

That's actually really interesting.

>>4313704
Not even close. There are a bunch of 2nd gen western developed shmups that are better.

Cuphead was the only western shooter i ever enjoyed. Looks more vintage than retro though :D

>>4316361
You're using those words wrong. Mega Man 2 is vintage. Mega Man 9 is retro.

>>4313704
The best western shmup is inevitably going to be one of the ones that pretends to be eastern like Jamestown, Hydorah, or Blue Revolver.

>>4318060
Not really. The west still does multi-directional shooters better than Japan.

>>4318972
You mean stuff like Shock Troopers? I think of those as a separate genre. What western games are better than Shock Troopers, Pocky & Rocky, and Twinkle Tale?

>>4320247
No, like Asteroids.

>>4320247
That could be another thread entirely. Western developed run 'n' guns.

>>4318060
>Jamestown, Hydorah, or Blue Revolver

These look interesting. Any of them worth playing?

>>4324232
Hydorah and Blue Revolver are both extremely high quality. Hydorah is similar to Gradius and Blue Revolver is based on Cave bullet hell games, but both do enough of their own thing to stand on their own. Hydorah is freeware but there's a paid version called Super Hydorah with local multiplayer. I haven't tried it though.

Jamestown is another Cave-style bullet hell and I don't think it's quite as good as Blue Revolver, but it's not bad. It has local multiplayer for up to four players. It's a nice way to introduce people to the genre. There's an updated version called Jamestown+ and I have no idea what it changes.

Blue Revolver and Jamestown have multiple difficulty settings, which is nice if you're new to danmaku. Hydorah only has one difficulty but it's approachable enough.

>>4322376
Nah. Let's cover them here. I mean, what is there really besides Chaos Engine, Alien Breed (clones) and Turrican?

>>4274943
Had this on a shareware CD. It was fun amd funny.

>>4324305
Interesting. Maybe I'll look into those.

>>4324520
Abuse

>>4324520
Total Carnage

>>4324520
Doom Troopers

>>4280891

Why did western devs largely abandon shmups after the 2nd gen? Even the arcade-centric devs like Midway didn't make shmups.

>>4324520
>Alien Breed

was that even western?

>>4332548
Who else makes Amiga games?

>>4332601
fair point

>>4320247
>What western games are better than Shock Troopers, Pocky & Rocky, and Twinkle Tale?
Zombies Ate My Neighbors, Gauntlet, Robotron

>>4326747
>>4334675
Smash TV baby!

>>4322376
I really enjoy Apocalypse and One on the PX1.