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I got VCMI for Android to play HoMM3 on the go. It works great, but when I try to make a random map it just sits on the loading screen forever and appears to make no progress. Anybody have experience with this and know what went wrong?

>>4233094
Their "v 0.99" claim is simply way too far-fetched.

Dammit I totally forgot

>>4233053
So, my tour of the Armageddon's blade campaigns is finished. I must say, they seemed way harder when I played them as a kid 10+ years ago.

I'm going to give the Shadow of Death campaigns a go in a couple of days, but I need a break for now. IN the meantime, any reccs for any of them? Any particular order I should take the first four? I did play them, but a LONG time ago.

Also, I can't remember; I know that you have one campaign each for Gem, Gelu, Yog, and Crag Hack, and then you have the Sandro one, and then you have the one where the four of your heroes do their part against Sandro. Does it actually transfer your guys from the end of their individual campaigns, or are you stuck with new guys with shitty skill setups? If it's the latter, are their any editors that would allow you to change them? I'm going to be sinking a fair amount of time in building these heroes up, and it would be annoying to have it erased.

>>4233053
I love these threads just to see which month it is and any buffs/debuffs.

>>4233848
When you get to the final campaign you get level 25 heroes with randomized skills, so you can just reload as needed. There are some things that are banned like Yog with Wisdom though.

>>4233848
Only level transfers, not skills, stats or spells. Skills and spells you can change with in-game cheat menu (/nwcgrail), but stats you're stuck with. If you edit starting stats in editor, it tends to break the map triggers.
Also this >>4203052

>>4233945
>cheating in Heroes 3

I am shaking all my heads at you

>>4234159
The question was if you can change your skills. This is the fastest method.
If the game tells you repeatedly in mission briefings that all your skills, spells and stats will carry over and then they don't because of bugs, you have the right to flip the game off.

Why are water elementals in H3 so ugly? They're not made out of water but all the others are made out of their element.

>>4234317
To keep them visually distinct I suppose? Otherwise they'd look like air/storm elementals but blue.

>>4234317
Don't they collapse into a puddle of water/shards of ice on death?

If you were to make a new faction, what would it be?

Castle - humans/knights/heaven
Rampart - sylvan creatures/forest
Tower - weird shit/wizards/snowy mountains
Fortress - beast folk/lizards/swamp
Stronghold - orcs/goblins/badlands
Inferno - demons/devils/hell
Necropolis - undead/wasteland
Dungeon - underdark shit
Conflux - faggy elementals

As a kid, I wanted to make an egyptian themed faction for the desert, but I saw a russian fan-made one a while back, so it's been done.

>>4234492
Thats a hard one. Making an entirely new faction with nothing in common with the others.

I like fairies, but like full magical crazy creatures and not halfway or partially like Rampart and Conflux. Where every single unit is magical in nature with odd strengths and weaknesses. No "civilized" people allowed, elves wearing armor and riding flying horses? No thanks. The entire faction doesn't have to be "good" either, it could be filled with terrible things that go bump in the night that inspire fear and terror in those who would trespass into their haunted magical forest.

So the faction can start out as somewhat whimsical but the higher tier units get progressively more dark until the tier 7 unit is some sort of monstrosity I cant decide upon.

>>4234517
unseelie fey, sounds like
slenderman sounds like he'd fit

>>4234517
The series moving away from more magical fairytaile-esque Sorceress in favor of LotR ripoff is a crime.

>>4234542
I don't think they were going for lotr so much as druidic/gaelic/celtic/whatever. They put the rest of the sorceress stuff back in with conflux (though I don't like it as much).

>>4234517
>fairies
>full magical crazy creatures
>every single unit is magical in nature with odd strengths and weaknesses
>the entire faction doesn't have to be "good"
>filled with terrible things that go bump in the night
>inspire fear and terror in those who would trespass into their haunted magical forest
>somewhat whimsical
>higher tier units get progressively more dark
>tier 7 unit is some sort of monstrosity
So, a Gensokyo castle?

>>4234572
Celtic with... traditional Japanese architecture? H3 Rampart is pretty much the textbook case of "We need to go darker and edgier" and Sylvan is just an extension of that except with generic Tolkien high elf appeal added in.

>>4233053
Is this actually a legit mod or just a mockup?

>>4234642
That's from beta.

>>4234645
I can definitely see why they felt the need to redo it for the release. I kinda like the mage guild going down instead of up though, wish they kept it like that but just picked a different design for it.

>>4234627
Hmmmmm...!

>>4234660
I wish I had the image saved of her hanging on the arm of the guy with the dagger of command. She was totally falling for mister edgelord and his demonic artifact.

Shes my secret waifu along with the elf girl. I fucking love young elves, 100+ year old elves belong in the dumpster.

>>4234674
Meh good enough. I'm sad his character was never seen again

When they lose all HP, why do some characters drop dead and some just go unconscious? I don't really get it. Swifty Sarg died twice already and it's fucking annoying.
Also, when should I be able to take on the fuckers in pic related?

>>4234674
This one?
At least Aidan makes it to the final campaign. Jezebeth just disappears when Inferno arc ends. Still mad.

Anyone else notice how Redskins are always evil in video games?

>>4234741
I would really prefer if you were quiet.

>>4234738
I could have sworn the image looked different than that. I guess its been a while. Also Jezebeth appears in like 3 other games while Aiden is never seen from again.

Though her other appearances are so different its basically a different character.

>>4234690
IIRC death occurs if you fall below negative max hp

>>4234795
This one then?
*disappears in Clash of heroes, that is, when every other support character shows up later.

>>4234813
Oh yeah that is the one. I wanted them to go on a glorious campaign and conquer all of the demons.

So what are the best-worst Heroes V factions?

>>4234816
They kind of did (one city, at least). Since IIRC in Homm 5 Haven's Renegade tree units are demons in human disguise, I prefer to think they're in charge of them and lived happily ever after.
>>4234828
Pretty much like Homm3, actually.
Necropolis is op as usual, even with Dark energy.
Inferno is worst as usual since, unlike every other racial skill, gating sucks.
Haven is fun to play though. May not be the greatest but very underrated.

>mfw Dungeon faction from HOMM6 expansion
only fuck they managed to make the game FUN again

>>4234159
>shaking all my heads
Like this?

So, which is the greater HoMM idiot, Winston Boragus, or Isabel?

>>4235113
Isabel. She didn't even fucking notice when an impostor had taken over the throne and was actively waging war against every other bordering nation. At least Boragus had a reason for his retarded actions but Isabel has no excuse.

Also she gave birth to the anti christ. Kinda funny how they completely gloss over her being raped by the demon king. She didn't even care she had a child out there in the world, literally nobody cared at all.

>>4235152
>literally nobody cared at all
This guy cared.
Seriously, best vidya dad.

>>4235189
>Set up your son to have a pet succubus

Best dad indeed

>>4235209
>set up your son to have a pet succubus
>even this succubus tells me not to free him cause he'll betray me since he's eeevul
>oh well, it's the only ending I haven't seen
>*muahaha, I'm finally free, FREE!*
>inevitable betrayal.jpeg
>*thanks for freeing me, my beloved son*
>*sorry for not spending more time with you, me being imprisoned and all*
>*let's catch on the missed father-son time while we conquer the world together*
>*of course we'll rule it together later, who do you take me for?*
>*wanna play baseball later?*
>mfw I have no face
I'm sorry I doubted you, Brodad.

>>4235228
What a nice guy. I wish my dad gave me succubus pets.

>>4235152
>At least Boragus had a reason for his retarded actions but Isabel has no excuse.
Which is what exactly? Attacking your neighbors and destroying an earth-shatteringly powerful combination artifact just so you can make sure that your newest general is REALLY pissed about magic?

>>4234690
>>4234801
In MM1 and 2 it's different. If you are hit by anything at all while unconscious you instantly die. If you are unconscious and take 1 hp of damage you instantly die. You can start at 1 hp and take a 2k hit and you will be 0 hp unconscious.

>>4234690
It's been forever since I played MM1 but the first two games are a lot more trial and error than the later ones. You will wipe a lot; this is normal.

>tfw you want to buy HoMM3 but money is coming on 12th

Can't wait to buy it and play with a friend.

>>4235637
You uh, have read the pastebin right?

>>4235642
Y-you mean I can get that...for free?

>>4235649
Well, I mean you'll be playing Heroes 3 for the next 15 years so I'm guessing the price is your eternal soul.

>>4235667
Thanks a lot for the suggestion. I'm blind as fuck apparently. My soul is enough I guess. At least I'm 10 bucks richer.

>>4234618
"dark" and "edgy" seem to be going the way of "mary sue" these days, where everything gets labelled that.

The only way it could be so with rampart is if you compare it to its precurser cartoony-graphics sorceress faction from 2, in which case ALL the factions are "darker" than their earlier counterparts

>>4235689
>The only way it could be so with rampart is if you compare it to its precurser cartoony-graphics sorceress faction from 2, in which case ALL the factions are "darker" than their earlier counterparts

Well, yes, naturally, that's what they were going for with the artstyle as a whole. They wanted to sell it to normies and "realistic" 3D graphics was becoming the thing at the time and so the whole fairytale aesthetic had to go. Shame, especially considering they sort of reverted to that in 4.

>>4235587
Why would an enemy hit an unconscious party member? It just happens or...?

>>4235591
I know, I've been playing it for some time and it seems to be going ok, more or less. (I do get rekt every now and then but playing a lot of roguelikes made me used to it.)

>>4233094

I got the homm3 ubisoft remake working on my android phone, it was a cracked version.

I have no clue how I did it

What colors best match each faction?

Green - Rampart
Grey - Necropolis (since the expansion added another faction but not another color)
Pink - Conflux

>>4234492
I was gonna say an Egyptian themed town but I saw the last part

Sauce?

>>4235909
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU3KA77uW2Q&ab_channel=Neph

My own would have had:
1 - Slaves (skirts and khopeshes)
2 - Scarab beetles (flying but slow)
3 - Chariot riders (fast, melee and ranged, 3 hexes)
4 - Anubis warriors (like from the 2nd mummy movie)
5 - Mummies
6 - Sphinxes
7 - Scorpion Kings (like the rocks guy from 2nd mummy movie)

>>4235926
That thing is beautiful.

>>4235728
Enemies randomly attack any of your characters that get in melee, but prefer ones that started the monster attack phase of the round conscious. What gets dangerous is anything that can attack all characters at once. They need to be dropped ASAP.

To determine which of your guys is in melee, you will see a mark by their number in combat. Usually randomly the first 3 or so start out in melee, but if you are surprised then all 6 are. Due to how dangerous unconscious is make sure to keep healing items around and make sure to have everyone back up by the end of the round. Remember that the speed statistic determines when someone attacks in the round so make sure to heal the person just below the current character (ties go to the person earlier in the party).

>>4234492
A floating kingdom is probably a good idea but I'm not sure what monsters could fit

>>4234492
When I was a kid, I once sketched out notes for a Monty Python based HoMM 3 faction. I don't remember all the units, but the T 7 was Spiny Norman.

>>4236087
Wouldn't it mostly be like Academy from HoMM5?

>>4236039
Ok I booted it up and this is slightly wrong. Monsters basically get a list of who is in melee at the start of their turn. They will attack anything in that list, but if it gets knocked out they will skip that character and then move on. If it was knocked out before the current monster phase then it is still a potential target. If all of the melee characters were knocked out by monsters this turn the monsters will advance and put all player characters into melee.

This means if you start out the monster turn with a melee character unconscious he is a potential target, but if he starts out conscious he won't be killed unless the monster has some sort of AoE/breath attack, in which case you better kill it fast. Jugglers in MM2 in particular are incredibly nasty as they will switch character order AND have an AoE attack.

Is there some way to sort the saves in HOMM2 by date? Forgetting which one was the last and having to try them one at a time isn't very fun.

>>4235926
Damn, I didn't know Oasis made a song about Heroes 3.

>>4235926
I'd make it so mummies are slave upgrade and put snek somewhere.

Which classic MnM game should I go for if I'll likely only have enough time to check out one?
MnM 3 or 4/5?

>>4236758
well 4+5 is much larger game, it has much more stuff to it too, so if you think you can finish it, go for it.

>>4236778
what about if I go for 4 only at this time and put 5 on my list to finish later? is 4 better than 3 in any gameplay/aesthetics/gui ways?

Can someone PLEASE give me advice on the second Crag Hack mission? It is fucking IMPOSSIBLE for me for some reason. Edric is SOOO strong and has 17 defence by week 2, he comes up your anus with 70 griffons, 170 halberdiers and 100+ Archers, and that's on NORMAL difficulty. There is only 1 other Stronghold nearby, and its units are incredibly inconvenient (unupgraded orcs even though you start with upgraded ones), it's at an insane tactical disadvantage at the monolith exit, and the faerie dragons you need to kill are impossible to get by without considerable army losses. Even on Normal difficulty there is NO WAY I can turtle enough because your opponent has 4 (FOUR) castles at his disposal! I had week of the Behemoth and STILL Edric fucked me up BIG time.

What the fuck is the secret to this god damn scenario? I've tried 5 times now, first on hard and now and normal: No luck. Crag is completely statted out from the first mission, and I make sure to get at least 3 heroes total from the tavern.

I mad...

>>4235113
What is wrong with Winston?

>>4236813
4 and 5 is honestly just one big game. You can put 5 and final quest off for later if you want but it's probably easier to just continue so you don't have to remember where everything is later. As for the second question, it's a lot like 3, a bit faster in certain places but the engine is basically the same.

>>4236828
Watch out for Winston Boragus
The public enemy of common sense #1
He is the main responsible for:
>getting 90% of his entire country standing army slaughtered just to test Yog
>breaking up Angelic Alliance because cool boys don't use magic
>invading Erathia during RoE and getting his ass kicked because of above mentioned
>refusing to learn from his mistakes
>jobbing when fighting Kilgor despite being lvl 30 with an array of powerful artifacts
>letting Kilgor destroy the franchise with Sword of Frost
>Homm 4

I know that Heroes V went a bit overboard with the girl whose nipples were literally openly visible (TotE) but why did Heroes VI and VII get so unsexy?

>>4236892
When I was a young boy, I tried to find a cheat code to fully undress my female characters in MM6

>>4236892
Probably because cheap titillation in 5 was tasteless just like the rest of its awful artstyle. Not even playing an SJW here, remember that Dungeon girl who was wearing nothing but belts? That's shit design.

>>4236915
>That's shit taste I have
fixed this for you

>>4236918
I too remember when I was 14. That's about when H5 came out. Ah, that pixie model. Many a sleepeless nights were had.

>>4236758
Go for 3 since it has better difficulty than 4 or 5

>>4236892
I bet Kujin gets raped all the time by the BCC (big cyclops cock).

>>4237042
>Kujin's natural intelligence and diplomacy have made her a respected leader. Tactful, wise, and learned, the Orcs say that her sole default is a lack of a sense of humour...
Would you elect her as your tribe leader?

>>4237093
I hate that noble savage ooga booga orc archetype so much.

>>4237143
same

>>4236918
FFFFFucking where is porn of her? I wanna see a minotaur titfuck her. Actually, a bunch of minotaurs gangbanging her would be even better.

>>4236758
You should play both of course, but if just one play World of Xeen. It's easier, but there is a ton of content because it's 2 games basically thrown together.

Are there any games similar to HOMM?
Other than King's Bounty (the new ones).

>>4237272
The Disciples series is similar. You get a hero, you explore the map, battle enemy, collect items to equip and use, visit various buildings and other points of interest on the map, etc. Though there are some major differences, like the way units, battles and cities behave, for example.

>>4237272
Eador

>>4236131
Thanks a lot anon :)

>>4237528
I forgot to add one of the most important things, although I can't remember if it applies to MM1 or just MM2.

Only the monsters that were in the list (the first 10) at the start of the player's turn are allowed an attack. This means if you start with 20 opponents and kill monsters 3-12 then 1 and 2 will still get an attack phase, and if you kill 1-10 then the next monster attack phase is skipped. This allows you to nuke down the really dangerous ones if you think you can take the hits of the others.

>>4237272
I'd say the Age of Wonders series. You can start at any title and still have a great time.

>>4237272
I played almost all of them.

My favorite is Disciples 2 - would have been perfect if it had a better AI and faster computer turns.They are extremely long even on modern machines (you have to turn GPU acceleration to make it faster and all computer turns at once). There are also some unit balance issues, but thanfully you can edit that (i.e. when I played it, I halved all the XP requirements for first tier upgrades, 75% for second trier, etc.

>>4237319
Eador sounds good on paper but it's boring as shit. It lacks the fast dynamic that Heroes games have.

>>4237143
>>4237163
>noble savages orcs are boring
>chaotic evil mass murderers are too cliched
>elf-raping machines are also cliched
How would you prefer your orcs then?

>>4238980
Warhammer Orks are best, fun loving peaceful people who just want to live their life to the fullest.

>>4238980
Honestly? Just simple barbarians. Not random genetic experiments, not some kind of indian allegory, just a bunch of really ugly motherfuckers living in the steppes, banding together to hunt and ravage and make survive.

Basically 1-3 barbarians. Anything else immediately reads like a Warcraft or Warhammer ripoff.

>>4237210
She is my pure virgin waifu.

>>4239047
>pure virgin
Anon...

A part of me hates myself for even thinking this, but...

...does anyone think the world of Ashan would have made a good MMO setting?

>>4239081
2generic5me

Forge raid when

>>4239081
You'd be surprised, but there was 2,5d one. China only. Now dead.

So is it true that after a fuckton of patches, HoMM6 somehow in the end elevated itself from "flaming dumpster fire" to "meh, it's ok"?

And speaking of flaming dumpster fires, considering how HoMM7 turned out (don't feel bad, I forgot it existed too), do you think they'll even bother with an 8th?

>>4239102
>So is it true that after a fuckton of patches, HoMM6 somehow in the end elevated itself from "flaming dumpster fire" to "meh, it's ok"?
I mean, its problems never went away, it's just sort of playable now.

>And speaking of flaming dumpster fires, considering how HoMM7 turned out (don't feel bad, I forgot it existed too), do you think they'll even bother with an 8th?
We can only hope they won't.

>>4234575
Leave it to modern anime to make anything, ANYTHING into a generic anime girl, lolis optional.

>>4239403
>2hu
>anime

>>4239081
I have a feeling thats what Ubisoft wanted in the first place. There was a huge surge of various Heroes related games for a few years and they were clearly trying to market it to a wider audience and make a real franchise. But by the time 6 came out they sorta gave up and let the series drift around like they do now.

>>4239502
If the development of VI is any indication is that they didn't know what the fuck they wanted to do.

>>4239403
2hu is 90s though

>>4239654
>2hu is older than homm3
really makes you think.

>>4239657
But it's not older than HoMM1 so we can still call them newfags and make fun of them

>>4239081
NO, NO, NO

>>4239657
What the hell

>>4239102
No sexies = no buy

>>4239102
Hopefully not.

>>4239734
>implying you wouldn't just pirate it even if it had corruption of champions tier sexies

>>4234834
>Inferno is worst as usual
What? How?
If anything they became quite viable in TOTE, especially with that new succubus alternative unit. Or rather should I say they were nerfed in TOTE? Because Deleb was annihilating everything in the original.

>>4234834
How can gating be worse than the Avenger trash skill?

>>4234492
Port - ocean faction (yeah, a one trick pony, fights best on ships and on the beach, shit in hard terrain).

possible units:
- pirates, a fast moving but not very strong unit
- islands native/witch doctors (yeah, go with that) - weak but can curse and shoot
- deep folk
- landsharks, a tough mid tier units with unlimited retaliations, maybe even moral-lowering attacks
- seaweed monsters, entangle like treants
- sea dragons, can fly
- kraken/cthulhu, attacks multiple targets at once like hydra, can make weaker units insane

special buildings, just names:
- smuggler's den
- slave market
- temple of insanity

>>4239890
I have a better idea than all of you

Mechanus - robot faction (made out of steam, steampunk robots)

Lvl 1 - Musketman (shooter, strongest lvl 1 shooter, but speed 1 only and has 2 shots only)
Lvl 2 - Fixer (standard melee walker, nothing special about him, high defense, low attack, can repair mechanical units he's standing next to)
Lvl 3 - Drone (shooter, flying, high speed, low HP)
Lvl 4 - Scrapper (melee walker, can attack walls and towers, can consume mechanical units to repair and resurrect himself even beyond max stack, destroying walls and towers also does this)
Lvl 5 - Clockwork Knight (fast melee walker)
Lvl 6 - Bomberman (shooter, no range penalty, AoE damage like Lich, but no immunity, explodes on death - free additional retaliation ranged attack)
Lvl 7 - Mechanical Dragon (see Heroes 4, but faster - has special charge ability to move it anywhere across the field once, but suffers speed penalty afterwards)

All units are unaffected by bless / mind spells like Undead.

WHY THE FUCK DID THEY PUT WEEKLY CREATURES INTO THE GAME REEEEEEEEEE

>>4239958
What the fuck is going on there? What is taking a 17 month game?

>>4239948
Combining the ability to consume walls and towers to resurrect yourself even beyond max stack sounds incredibly abuse-able, anon.

>>4239825
>>4239861
Avenger is good for 2 reasons:
1) In the endgame you tag 3/7 of your main opponent units as favored enemies. Now your troops have 60% chance to deal double damage to them. Multipliable by luck. Say, you're fighting Necropolis. Select Vampires, Skeletons and Liches. Unleash the dakka.
2) Enchanted Arrow + Rain of Arrows + Druids' Channeling. Enchant your arrows with Meteor Storm. Let your Druids buff your spellpower into stratosphere. Congratulations, you now unleash 3 aoe nukes per turn that bombard entire enemy army, favored enemies or no, while rivaling in damage the warlock's ones. And since rangers get plenty of knowledge, you can keep up at it.

Compare this to gating. You spend 50%/25% of your creatures turns to start summoning. Then it takes 1 full turn for reinforcements to arrive. Then it takes another full turn for them to be able to start acting. All the while your enemy trashes your main units with everything he has since he knows that wiping your not-summoned units out will make you lose instantly. Sure, Succubi with built-in Puppet Master are great, but your racial skill still sucks unlike every other racial skill of every faction in the game.

>>4239958
Tell us where we can get that map from, please.

>>4240057
I think It's one of those adventure maps that have a fairly linear gameplay (no portals or flying), but they are optimized to the last cell on the map and packed full of stuff. And damn near all fights require maximum cheese, often only beatable thanks to an item you got previously. (like a scroll of Blind that you have to abuse or some such shit)

I played one of those once and it was absolutely fucking awesome, except for the part that it had an inferno with grail and an enemy spawned on the coast, like it does in that pic, blocking you from being able to land onto the shore and fight them.

>>4240079
>adventure maps

they require too much grinding though where you spend month just collecting enough troops to even challenge the enemey

>>4239413
Looks like anime, smells like anime, tastes like anime. Could it be...anime?

>>4239654
Which, of course, renders it dissimilar to all the other modern anime which consist entirely of a harem of anime girls.

>>4240125

>>4240057
>>4240079
It's called Jedi Story. Although I'll never understand people who manage to finish it within 8 months let alone without using all the secret shit.

>>4240062
considering that it involves stepping on a landmine...

2hu reminds me, why is there no HOMM clone with anime graphics? Or old-style FF graphics.

>>4239890
One of the biggest problems with any kind of oceanic faction such as Cove or what you're suggesting is that thematically they only make sense on a shore. If it's any kind of map with no water, like for example a map set in the mountains fully made of snow terrain, then a town such as that simply makes 0 sense to have there at all.

>>4240329
Weebs be gone

>>4240329
The only people who care about HoMM enough to make spiritual successors are slavs, and they're not that weeb. Though I would bet good money there's some obscure chink F2P game out there that is what you've described.

>>4235926
Oasis is not Egyptian. Your line-up sound like early Bastion, a desert town planned by WoG team.
https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?act=url&depth=1&hl=pl&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.pl&sl=ru&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=http://heroes3towns.com/%3Ftown%3Dbastion%26ver%3D%26page%3Dunits&usg=ALkJrhhe4zSiZdp1YUeo_9fqWtqJ0ikvGw

>>4239958
>All that Gold and Resources
>All those troops
Holy flying FUCK anon

>>4240087
>they require too much grinding though

The well designed ones don't. they always give you an artefact or a spell (or an artefact that gives you a spell) that you can use to overcome the next challenge.

The ones I played, anyway. Spent half hour cheesing Clone on Archangels to resurrect my army in some....

>>4240594
That's nothing special, some maps are just designed that way, they dump absurd creature growth and money on you but you fight enemies with even stronger armies

>>4239958
There's a small mod (for ERA, I think) that disables the "week of" event.

>>4240323
Only if the town has a fully developed castle. What if it doesn't? You can usually get your t4 unit, at least a handful scraping of them, on the first week, when full castles are very rare. I buy like 4 of them on day 3, hit up some jackasses's fort, and have them munch on the walls until I have more. Now I've got a hefty stack of 4s really early, and I use that to beat up other stuff.

>>4240956
Wall HP-heal scales with wall level. Fixed!

Which specials such as Unicorn's Blind, Efreet Sultan's Fire Shield or Dread Knight's Curse / Death Blow can be triggered when retaliating and which ones can't?
For that matter, how many turns do the debuffs influcted by troops last? I think it's 3, but I've never bothered testing this.

Heroes games rated by packaged campaign storyline
1. VI vanilla
2. III+chronicles
3. IV
4. V = VI addons
5. II
===== POWER GAP ====
6. VII

I doesn't qualify on the account of not having one

Prove me wrong

>>4241757
>plays heroes 6 guys!!

>>4241798
Didn't say that. Just said the story was good.

building my perfect ranger hero, which is better:

Archery
Logistics
Pathfinding
Scouting
Leadership
Luck
Offense

Armorer or Wisdom?

>>4242175
Wisdom

But better remove scouting, leadership and luck to add earth magic, air magic and diplomacy.

Did you ever get a hero from a prison that was actually really useful? I was playing a map of the Triad template and there was a ton of swamp, snow, and rough terrain. I cracked open a prison and got a level 20 Coronius with Expert Wisdom, Expert Scholar, Expert Pathfinding, and Expert Logistics. The hero I rescued him with just happened to have Town Portal.

>mfw

>>4242175

Don't need wisdom just get water magic. Rangers barely get enough knowledge to take use of high tier spells. Having dispel and cure is essential though. Also armorer and resistance instead of offence and leadership.

I'm about to play Might and Magic 2 for Super Nintendo. What am I in for?

>>4242528
Battles against 100+ enemies at the same time. Having two sorcerors is essential.

>>4240624

The ones I played gave me a really shitty essential hero and one way portals to my base that enemies could easily invade. I also started with no resources. Always had to cheese my way with berserk through those maps. Also hide the essential hero at a monastery or some other weird place that is impossible for the AI to reach. Also the AI would chase me out of my starting town with their superior numbers.

>>4242528
All of the ports are inferior. Stick with the DOS or Apple versions or just use the pastebin.

As for the actual game, be prepared to bash your head against a wall repeatedly. Since you could import characters from MM1 (with restrictions on level) it was setup so that you could play way higher than level 1 at the start.

>>4242546
>implying
You just need to cast duplication on the flaming swords so everyone has a fireball nuke and you can take down 30 a round at no cost. Duplication in MM2 keeps all stats, bonuses, and charges for the clone.

>>4241560
I'm not a 100% sure about Death Blow, but all the rest do trigger on retaliations for sure. Debuffs are 3 turns and unicorns cast blind at basic level, so it should be 1 round per your spell power.

http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=21273

I want a faction whose units are all themed like insectoids (the trang from Wizard)

>>4243814

Necromancers have some spiders and worms

>>4243881
I have that in my pants.

>>4233848
If you are that obsessed about your original heroes, you can use the Shadow of Death trainer by Pix.

Here's an idea: fusion units.

If you have two different types of town under your control, you can have a new type of unit, provided you build the requisite facilities.

For example, if you hold both Necromancer and Rampart towns, you could have elf zombie archers or some shit like that. Or maybe vampire elves.

With 6 towns, that would give us, what, 15 unique pairs.

>>4244318
>Here's an idea: fusion units.
Yugioh get out!

>>4239948

Best idea ITT

>>4239948
Woow!!

>>4239948
Are you Jon van Cagehem?

>>4239948
>>4244341
>>4244348
>>4244372
>hated official Forge
>loves Deviant Art Forge

>>4242528
SOLID!
Sewage and muck ooze under foot!
SOLID!

Playing Homm3 HD. How do I git gud? I've been playing this shit for years. I may have completed one campaign. I'm a shitter, yes but I need some help. Chim me.

>>4244493
>Deviant Art Forge
It's closer to "And now for a random cyberpunk dungeon" of MM RPG games than Armageddon's Blade beta Forge was. AB Forge was... really an awful concept that was probably scrapped not only because of complaints. Goblins with mechanical parts? Really makes you think.

A futuristic faction COULD work in Heroes but it would have to be done cleverly and with style.

>>4242528
Play the Genesis version. Not as pretty but easier to cheat in. Also fights like this :2 Man at Arms, 4 Apparitions, 200 stray cats, 64 poltergeist. Thats one fucking fight. just one.
>Treasure
metal bolts pierce the party
>back to the inn it is

What about a faction where all the units are Japan themed?

>>4239890

this basically already exists in arguably the best fanmod for homm3 there is

http://mightandmagic.wikia.com/wiki/Heroes_of_Might_and_Magic_III:_Horn_of_The_Abyss

i'd highly recommend it if you feel like a change from the base game, it adds a ton of new locations that are pretty fun.

>>4244634

1/2

1) gold from chests 99% of the time

2) dont rush capitol. build creatures first. Prioritize the important ones + the upgrades if they are key for your faction (e.g. behemoths are easy week 1 for stronghold, double shooting marksmen/elves are always important to clear early stacks for castle/rampart, fortress can grab wyverns early on, tower should get ranged gremlins/beeline for nagas ASAP, etc) but don’t waste resources on non-essential upgrades early on. Even if you don’t recruit them right away, the more creatures you can generate early, the better. In that regard citadel --> castle should also be a priority to build on days 6 or 7 before start of new week for more soldiers.

3) your hero(s) should always be clearing something, or moving toward your next clear. Like all 4x games, the faster you clear the map, the faster your early advantage will snowball, and you will easily outpace someone who rushes capitol instead of clearing the map, and in general will be able to build capitol by week 3 with relative ease

4) build many heroes early on, give all units to 1 “main” hero, and ensure the “scout” heroes have a nice fast unit, and branch out in many directions to grab free stuff as quickly as humanly possible. Like rushing capitol, turtling is noob-tier.

>>4244634
>>4244813

5) learn to chain your heroes so you can clear the map faster and more efficiently (e.g. passing your army along a chain of heroes to move them across big chunks of the map in a single turn). It’s nice to level 1 or 2 main heroes, and that should be a goal, but once again, clearing the map is even better. That XP will come quickly later
6) prioritize what you clear and balance it with how you can move your troops around. 2nd/3rd towns should always be a big priority, mines/resources you need, solid artifacts, and so on. XP is nice but don’t waste time killing things when you can give yourself a bigger advantage elsewhere
7) spells are fun, but haste/slow + expert air/earth is all you really need. Haste is marginally better than slow, given the choice since it allows you to move across the battlefield and potentially end things turn 1
8) don’t underestimate griffon observatories, crypts, dwarven treasuries, etc. they can give a huge boost to resources, and the griffon ones especially reward you angels. Getting a couple angels by week 2 can enable you to clear otherwise impossible encounters with ease, once again enhancing that “snowball” effect
Obviously this will all depend on the map a bit, and you should adjust accordingly. For example if you are playing on a really “poor” map, rushing capitol may actually be a decent idea. but these are general guidelines on most maps.

>>4244813
>1) gold from chests 99% of the time
This is horrible. I only pick 2500 gold if desperate, 1000 gold always and 1500 gold sometimes.

>>4244813
>>4244819
Thank you mein brethren.

You know what I think?

>>4244834

nope, sorry. 3 main reasons why:

1) the difference between a level 1 hero and a level 5 hero (or even higher) is negligible early on. MAYBE if you had a hero with some nice spells and wanted to try to get advanced/expert magic in a particular school fast, but even in that highly specific case it's generally not worth it, since getting early XP simply won't help you clear anything that you might clear otherwise.

2) along those lines, you'll be relying on creatures to clear stacks of course, and to get creatures your need money. that early money is pretty much always the difference between skipping a build day/not recruiting all possible creatures vs. building a dwelling days 1-6 followed by a nice citadel + a fresh army week 2 day 1. it's easy to mop the floor with a level 3 shitter leading an army 1/3 the size it should be.

3) long term, the XP just plain won't matter. a level 20 hero needs 80,000 XP. even assuming you get lucky and let's say you get 10 chests that are all full 1500xp, that's 15,000 xp total, not even enough to go from level 20 to 21. pointless.

in other words, the advantages of gold outweigh the advantages of XP short term, and long term the difference is negligible. obviously if you play on easy or something and start with loads of cash, it matters less, but at that point it doesnt matter what strategy you take.

>>4244852
>>4244834

to add to this 1 more thing, you'll get plenty of XP fighting creatures anyway, which means you're just wasting those early chests on pointless XP you don't even need.

>>4244834

Oy vey, this is antisemitism

My dream version of Heroes is one that doesn't have any of the stupid backtracking shit and where every hero is valuable (none of that 1 unit hero shit that the CPU always spams just to slow you down), there are lots of options on levelup and instead of purely random skills given on levelup heroes have a natural inclination to some secondary skills more than others (unique to every single hero, not just types, typically secondary skills that are useful for their unique ability), all 4 primary skills matter, all spells are viable (at least situation ally useful, - no non stop haste/slow spamfests) and creatures can levelup while out on the field - unupgraded N level to upgraded N level (with relatively small amount of XP) and upgraded N level to unupgraded N+1 level (optional, high XP cost).

>>4244782
I tried to play it. looks fucking great. But I'm having mouse issues. The cursor just disappears. So looks like im fucked

>>4244813

Early expansion doesn't really work if you're roadblocked by huge creature stacks

>>4244910

Okay.

>>4244910

Sounds like you'd love homm6

Imo all the useless heroes and spells give the game more personality, you have a couple of weeks to let a good hero spawn that you can main, because you're still leveling up, the rest are for support and scouting.

I agree about backtracking though. L and XL maps are tediously unplayable without town portal.

>>4236842
Best comment award goes to...

>>4245263
ME

>>4245601
(You)

play heroes 6!

You know that the Might and Magic series couldn't possibly be very popular because of how very little rule34 porn pictures there are for it.

>>4239413

Holy shit, imagine if there was a Heroes game with anime units (cute anime girls included). Same gameplay but more anime.

What is your second and third most favorite FANTASY turn based strategy game after Heroes of Might and Magic III (which should be your number 1, otherwise, never talk to me or my wife's son again)?

>>4245940
Mine is King's Booty

>>4245940
My list is
1. Dominions 4
2. HoMM III
3. MoM

>>4245992
>some shit game on 1.
KONO YAROOOO

>>4245906
Speaking of which, why was a spin-off puzzle game (ported from DS, even) better and more fun than Homm6 and Homm 7 combined?

>>4246025
Blame the bald spider man

>>4246047
Ubisoft CEO isn't bald.

>>4245940
Sengoku Rance
Disciples 2

>>4246072
>Sengoku Rance
I googled this and now I'm fired

>>4246063
>consumers

says it all

>>4246241
How did you not know about it?

>>4246063
No, not that. I don't have pictures of Erwan Le Breton on hand but you can probably google his ghostly visage.

How is using VCMI to play this game?

>>4245992
>1. Dominions 4
What's so good about this game? It costs more than I make in one day on Steam.

>>4246676
It's a strategy game with an impressive amount of depth, but also with a tremendous degree of diplomatic interaction due to the slow pace of the turns since its a PBEM game.

Example of why I fucking love it:
I was playing Mictlan (blood Aztecs). My neighbors were Nifelheim (ice giants), Abyssia (lava people), and Ulm (Conan the barbarians). I receive a message from Ulm proposing an alliance against Abyssia. I accept, and immediately propose an alliance with Nifelheim against Abyssia, Nifelheim accepts. As I'm readying myself for war, Nifelheim jumps the gun and attacks first, Abyssia sends a global message about the treachery of his neighbors. Ulm takes this to mean I've attacked, and attacks ME, thinking my forces are committed. They're not, so I manage to stomp all over his raiding parties and claim a decent amount of his territory before he sues for peace. I'm fine with that, since Nifelheim and Abyssia have torn each other apart and I can start my actual war against Abyssia, which I do profitably. Nifelheim is miffed I didn't help earlier, but I'm way bigger than him now so he doesn't push it. I then turn around and eat the rest of Ulm, but lose the game when Nifelheim gets my neighbors to gang up on me, citing my "treachery" as proof I need to be removed.
You just don't get this dynamic politicking in other strategy games.

>Blatantly stealing the bastion ideas:

Bastion - Neutral Desert Faction

Quicksand moat
Sandstorm siege defense (slows enemy speed by 2)
Monolith (auto-casts quicksand outside of walls at the start of a siege)
White, gleaming gold-tipped pyramid grail buildling flanked by flame-topped pillars (grants additional land movement to all heroes and +1 speed to all units)
Artifact Merchants

Outrider - 1 2 1 2 - scouting/pathfinding (looks like nomad on camel, has turban with gem and feather)
Sorcerer - 1 1 2 2 - sorcery/wisdom (looks like pharoah on chariot - horse not visible, holds cobra staff)
hero sprites cast spells in black

1 - Scarab/Holy Scarab (Fliers, holy scarab has 5% chance to auto-cast Fortune on allied unit[s] as if hero had cast it), weak/numerous, speed of 7/9
2 - Nomads/Desert Nomads (2-hexes, Sandwalking, Jousting), desert nomads ride camels
>Caravan/Oasis, stopping at oasis refreshes some movement for the day
3 - Mummy/Royal Mummy (curses whoever attacks it or whoever it attacks, vulnerable to fire, undead)
4 - Elephant/Oliphaunt (2-hexes, damages walls, oliphaunt immune to moats), have carpets on backs
5 - Sphinx/Ur-Sphinx (2-hexes, Fliers, can Roar to reduce enemy morale by 1 step up to 3 times, 2-hex eye laser attack), sphinx is female, ur-sphinx is male with short bull horns and sumerian beard
6 - Priest/High Priest (Shooter, can Bless ally unit, High Priest teleports and is Mass Shooter which hits main target for 100% and all other enemies for 50%, uses khopesh in melee), like bad guys from the stargate movie, priests have horus head in gold, high priests have anubis head in black, eyes glow blue, twisting gold cobra staves
7 - Scorpion Rider/Scorpion King (2-hexes, 20% Weakening Poison -2 Attack, hits 3-hexes, scorpion king attacks twice), scorpion rider has a khopesh, scorpion king is liek a centaur, pic related

Towards lower end stats-wise, but very heavy specials. I wanted to use gold/diamond golems, but eh. Only one archer.

>>4246871
>very heavy specials
*very heavy ON specials

>>4246871
*and sphinxes retaliate with their claws (1-hex attack), not their eye lasers

Fey - Pixie Faction

Filled with cute anime girls.

/thread

Why does this campaign fuck with you so bad
>every map has some asinine tactical disadvantage for you to find out with trial and error
>3 unaccessible necropolis vs 2 mediocre castles
>artifact is on an island
>Orb of Inhibition is as cumbersome as it is useful against ressurrects
>PC actively trying to bait you and fuck with you in unforseen ways
>have to keep fleeing and doing cheesy rolls if enemies are gonna kill your stack of archers or not
>campaign deliberately exhausts you with undead enemies, making them more frustrating every mission
>All the might in the world doesn't compare to sheer numbers of enemies

ugggghghhhhh... I don't know how to deal with this feel

>>4246871
>quicksand moat
so, worse than generic moats because they do the same as quicksand but also deal damage?

overall I prefer the OG Bastion more. teleporting shooter who hits everyone would break the game in half and units shouldn't change their aesthetics so drastically between upgrades

>>4246910
So basically it's doing a good job of making you feel like Crag does about Necromancers.

>>4246914
no, even the castles water moat deals damage
I was gonna have it take an extra round to move through, but I wasn't sure if another town did that already and I'm not sure how they'd show that in-game ("uh, did it skip my turn?")
>changing aesthetics
whatever floats your boat, I guess, but I didn't think changing a mount, a gender, a headpiece, or a lower body/head was such a big deal.
With the nomads, they are already present in the game, so I thought I'd leave them on their horses, but given that they live in the desert, why aren't they on camels already?
The sphinxes could both be male, but *the* sphinx is female I think
The head-piece on the priests is literally a minor costume change, no biggie there.
With the scorpion kind, I couldn't think of an appropriate lesser version, but then I thought to that part of the Clash of the Titans where those guys were riding a giant scorpion.

>>4246918
Just found out that not only are you outnumbered with no way to swing the odds, but all 3 castles have Covers of Darkness, and the Quest guard wants you to kill a random Necropolis hero, that you have no way of keeping track of because of the aforementioned Covers.

I'm afraid this is where my run is gonna end, at least for the time being. Fuck this noise.

>>4246998
Rush FASTER, friend.

*casts Mass Haste every turn*

>>4246998
Hero isn't random, he's stuck behind 3 border gates, one of tents for which is shown by Seer while 2 others are underground where Covers of Darkness don't reach.

mfw plebs around me praise tacky useless Heroes V town screens just because they were THREE DEE

>>4247186
*casts Mass Slow every turn*

>>4247816
>>4247186
Sounds like yet another pleasant match of Heroes 3 multiplayer. When did you start playing this match, 8 years ago? Me, I've been playing the same match with Vasiliy from Russia since 1999, we send our turns via the postal service once a month.

>>4247779
They are biutifel

>>4247816
>>4247186
I kill everything with Armageddon!!

Heroes V (with expansions) IS THE MOST BALANCED HEROES GAME EVER

Why is the initiative system in heroes 5 so bad. So the moment combat starts she gets to move, then I get my dudes to move, then she gets to move twice in a row. I wish I had a video of the time my golems were killed by neutral royal gryphons using that battle dive attack without ever allowing them a chance to fucking move out of the way.

Is it supposed to work like how I described or am I not understanding this properly

>>4247867
>>4247892
hehhh

>>4247892
It's great...

>>4247892
>>4247901
>>4247903
I honestly do enjoy the game but I hate hate hate hate hate hate the initiative system. If it was like Heroes 4 when units had a speed stat that determined who went first and a movement stat that determined how far you could move it would have been much better. Being able to move multiple times in a single combat round, or not getting a single move for the round is dumb.

I wonder if someone made a mod out there that changes it

>>4247892
it looks worse than ii (besthetics), even iii

>>4248026
Hipster opinion. Heroes V has best graphics.

Gameplay >>> Graphics.

If you could use ONLY Might or ONLY Magic what would you pick?

>>4248035
anytime a game goes 3d, the graphics get worse
it's just that normies can't handle 2d

Eventually, the hardware catches up and they can make it look good, but it never does at first

>>4248142
I prefer might heroes.
I'd rather rely on superior combat ability than spell damage, and I prefer might skills.
>want resistance too, would drop scouting to get it

Orb of negation makes magic heroes bitches, unless they can use out of battle spells to make up for it. Most of the spells I want to use are level 1 or 2 anyway.

>>4248035
>muh 3d
Fuck off

>>4248272
It's not even about the 3D, it's about the attention to detail, the animations, the overall model design.

>>4248275
The animation is actually terribly synchronized and disgustingly slow (just try making matriarchs walk around). The "attention to detail" is just autism with tacky and tasteless results.
And the 3d makes the whole experience inferior to the previous games. In H1-4 you saw everything at once, efficiently, so you could play at peace. In H5 you have to rotate, zoom in and out all the time to be able to see shit. The creatures on the battlefield are also more difficult to identify. The town screens look fancy, but they are completely useless, nobody clicks on specific buildings there, you just use the simple menus in the corners. It's all supposed to look cool and awesome but it only obstructs gameplay.

Imagine if Heroes 3 had this.

Any particular builds you guys are especially fond of?

>>4245940
1. Heroes III
2. Heroes IV
3. Heroes V

>>4248340
What's the point of Tazar existing when you can get this sexy instead? Fortress confirmed Rampart but worse.

Holy fucking shit. All these years and I never realized that Fly enables you to fly over all obstacles - except rock terrain ones.

I guess I didn't cast it very often.

>>4248202
>>4248142
If you had pure Might with no spells (which is often how bad HoMM3 discussions go on the web: "My Zydar will spam Slow / Blind / Implosion / Armageddon while your Jabarkas will be just standing here in the corner walking like molasses to me"), I'd say you would lose most of the time. Magic is really good and even Might heroes use it a lot to leverage their power; Master Gremlins ran by a Barbarian with Atk 10 is nice, Master Gremlins ran by a Barbarian with Atk 10 and Mass Slow is extremely strong and lets you take down all banks with no losses, which is a big deal for Tower.

On the other hand, I have no idea what an "only Magic" hero is. A single fast unit and a ton of spells? A regular army, but with precisely 0 Attack and Defense from hero?

I suppose I'd still go for only Magic vs only Might just because uncountered spell combos let you kite for days and spells are the thing that unlock most fights. About the only Pure Might thing I would be inclined to do would be Fortress / Wystan, hope for a lot of level 2 dwellings, get a ton of archers (underrated as of SoD 4.0) and rushing Hydras to get an early Dragon Utopia (huge Def means you can just stand in the middle and often take very minimal losses; all yo need is a hydra stack and 1+1+1...+1 dragon flies), but Pure Magic can also do that by the virtue of Expert Ressurrect being more likely.

>>4248362
Why Jabrakas?

>>4248350
Female aragorn has always been my favorite.

>>4248362
This post made me do a little research on magic characters, and I discovered that I'd been ignoring intelligence and Ellishar this whole time, having confused (and mixed) intelligence and scholar in my mind. Bonus spell points, and I've been missing out.

>>4248436
Elleshar is a male who identifies as a female?

>>4248418
Generic example of Might main hero. May be because my current Tower game, I have Jabarkas, and when I play Tower, I don't ever roll with a native Tower hero (unless it's S-sized, then Solmyr), I just take the first barbarian, battle mage or overlord available. Jabarkas is pretty amazing for Tower actually.

>>4248436
Intelligence is one of the best skills on huge SP maps, some starting heroes (I believe El Trueno in Unleashing the Bloodthirsty) start with it because Intelligence lets you spam Town Portal and to have massive prolonged fights, you need the staying power and the ability to ressurect/clone over and over, or to maintain a Force Field for over 15 turns.

>>4248449
Wish I had Intelligence in real life.

>>4248275
>It's not even about the 3D, it's about the attention to detail, the animations, the overall model design.
All of which wasn't very good though?
It is a 3D game made in 2005 and its age shows but just besides that, unit design is awful (genies with a wheel for a head? a town entirely of dwarves?), no thought it given to whether they'll blend with the ground textures (zombies on mud is my favorite), Monotype fucking Corsiva as the main font, hilariously bad hero portraits, creatures being impossible to distinguish on adventure map at max zoom... Man oh man I love Heroes V but it looks like flaming poo and shows its age.

I mentioned town screens earlier, the devs must've known that they're just useless graphics because they added all the interface elements to the HUD. Previously if you wanted to see your spells you'd click on the mage guild but in H5 you can't even tell what your Mage Guild is half the time. In some towns like Dungeon and Haven all buildings look the same or completely blend in the environment, in others like Sylvan or Academy they're blocked by the view and in Fortress you literally can't see anything because they're all on the walls of a huge gaping hole.

I mean just look at this shit. Tiny greenish brown on greenish brown.

>>4248436
It's not a top tier skill, but very useful situationally.

>>4248436
Off topic, but that pic reminded me of something.

Ryland's specialization of Dendroids gives them one extra speed. Is that just on the battle map, or will it affect overland movement (at which point Dendroid soldiers are no slower than battle dwarves)

Heroes of Might and Magic - why not Heroes and Villains of Might and Magic?

>>4248583
I assume they meant "hero" as in "person that has achieved something great" or something to that effect, rather than "good guy".

>>4248580
I would think that increased speed is increased speed. I don't know how to test it.

>>4248583
Because the heroes for the evil factions are still largely heroes for people of their own faction.

>>4248580
Bonus speed (both from specializations and artifacts) only applies to combat.

>>4248639
That's like saying Adolf Hilter was a hero to Germany.

>>4248350
1. Even more focus on defense.
2. Leadership is useless if you get morale boosting artifacts.
...I still like Memphala more anyway.

>>4248750
There's a high chance that Tazar gonna get a much worse skill than Leadership.

>>4248758
Yeah, that's true too. I don't really like the "starts with advanced (skill)" because I often get into that situation where I have to pick from two crappy basic skills with them.

>>4248713
He was for them at the time you faggot.

>>4248792
Oy vey, Nazi get out!!

Who is the Hitler of HoMaM III heroes?

>>4248858
Gelu

>>4248858
Sandro obviously

>>4248858
first we'd have to determine who the jews are, then figure out who is saving the world by fighting them and getting labelled a bad guy for it

>>4248893
Epic

>>4248873
this

>>4248893
The Jews are clearly the Rampart, the Dwarves in particular. Making money out of money? JEWS!

>>4249207
Tolkien's dwarves were based on jews.

>>4235694
eh, I like Rampart. The factions didn't need to be exactly the same from one game to the next, and we did get the other sorceress creatures with the expansion.

>>4235891
Red - Inferno
Blue - Castle
Green - Rampart
Orange - Dungeon
Teal - Tower
Purple - Necropolis
Tan - Stronghold
Pink - Fortress

Though I agree with your grey/pink choices.

I want yellow for bastion/oasis. It'd be cool if cove's flag was black with a skull and crossbones.

>>4239890
Horn of the Abyss Cove faction is pretty much exactly that, it even has cthulhu's (but not as part of the cove; they come from an artifact). Forget the seaweed monster, use a squid/kraken for that. I can't believe Cove doesn't have sahuagin; it's such a perfect fit.

>>4240494
>cove not fitting in
But that's true of any faction that's out of place. Also, cove's terrain is swamp.

>>4249254
>Pink - Fortress
I was with you until this. This is bigly insulting.

>>4249458
Agree, Fortress should be Blue. I'd move Castle to White.

>>4249458
Nah, Teal is the ideal Fortress color, since it blends in with the swamp best. Blue is Tower.

>>4248858
Kilgor

What's your favorite HOMAM meme?

>Hard Mode: No skeletons.

>>4249595
I hate memes.

>>4249595
I am the greatest meme.

Boy it took me really long to figure out that the fog not disappearing when you're in a boat in Heroes V was a feature and not a bug.

>>4249458
>>4249462
>>4249471
Then who is pink? Conflux, sure, but there's more factions than colors so something has to give.

Fortress has pink stuff in their castle.

>>4249595
pic

>>4249985
This picture mildly annoys me because early economy was proven an objectively wrong for the overwhelming majority of situations in so many online discussions that only noobs believe Capitol rush is a thing.

>>4249985

>>4250006
I will rush you with my early army and rape ur anus kiddo

>>4250020
Dungeon is color-corrected and Necropolis with Fortress are both huge stretches - H3 necropolis is basically devoid of color with small injections of red and yellow and Fortress is predominantly dark green.

>>4250020
ZTOP with the pink fortress, or else!

Pick the best feature from every Heroes game you played to create the ultimate Heroes game.

Heroes 5:
>alternate unit upgrades
>amazing initiative system that only brainlets dislike, avoid Mass X spamfests
>racial unique skills

Heroes 4:
>caravans
>your skills change your class (different bonuses given) but you can lock into one once you unlock it

Heroes 3:
>everything else

>>4250164
if each faction MUST have a color, which should have pink then? Yes, fortress is also a candidate for green, but the only other color that makes sense for rampart is tan, but tan clearly goes best with stronghold. Even if stronghold used its secondary color, red, ...well, you see how the whole chain gets fucked up.

Who should be pink then if not fortress?

>>4250278
2 had the best feel. Something to do with the music and graphics, but it drew me into the world more than the others.

>>4250278
Heroes 6 has all of those things and more.

play Heroes VI

Wow this thread is filling me wit ha sudden urge to check out Heroes of Might and Magic VI

>>4250402
Excuse you, it's Might and Magic: Heroes VI

>tfw you're the only girl ITT who isn't getting paid by Ubisoft to shill their new games

Heroes orchestra almost completed the Homm 3 Fortress cover, heres the trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V3_JOzX2LQ


Previous ones
Inferno
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHaLZBxJMdc
Necro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7VMEW2MByo

>>4250769
They don't seem to enjoy it, especially not the womynfolk.

>>4250773
Thats their focus face.

>>4250278
>Pick the best feature from every Heroes game you played to create the ultimate Heroes game.

H2
general visual aesthetics

H3
general mathematical model behind economy, townbuilding and combat
simple hero specializations

H4
flexible map event scripting that's easy to command and only allows you to work within the mechanics of the game, but of those, it has full control

H5
main skill + subskills system, crazy dependencies and questionable racials taking a whole slot has to go though
altgrades
thematic, rather than elemental separation of magic schools

H6
combat faction skill, although tailor it so that using creatures of faction that isn't yours isn't a disadvantage
robust creature skills synergistic with one another
artifact sets rather than combinable artifacts
optional town buildings

H7
Very limited AOC up to the map maker's discretion
This exact model of caravans

>>4250769
Pretty neat. The Fortress theme is my favorite of all the towns in game so it should be really good when they actually finish it rather than cut off right before the main part.

>>4250792
>~ play heroes 6 ~
*deposits 0.5 franc into your bank account*

>>4250795
Oh shut the fuck up.
I played it so you don't have to.

>>4250769
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL5rwIe5Q3E&ab_channel=Alvernus

Play Heroes VIII instead.

>>4250825
Thats pretty weak desu.
This guy should cover it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U47eF-N7HuE..

>>4236816
I'm not sure, I'm playing it now, and I'm not experiencing anything like that. Playing on Expert, and the biggest army I've run across was a mixed stronghold-castle one, with no more than 40 of each type of first tiers, and about 30 griffons. The hero in question (Sorsha for me) was also considerably weaker than Crag Hack.

Honestly, if you have a save before you started the mission (I always save right before winning a campaign mission because sometimes I want to change my initial bonus depending on what I start with, which they don't tell you), I'd suggest you just reload, it seems to be fairly random.

I fucking hate Trolls so much.

>>4251459
Trolls and cyberbullies are the worst.

>>4251459
>Those stats
You can just magic arrow them down at that point.

>>4250278
>Heroes 2

Sense of wonder and it being something new and different

>Heroes 3

Improving on every single thing, with great mechanics, a sense of balance.

>Heroes 4

Town music-best music
Campaign was most engaging

>Heroes V
The heroes were kind of fleshed out, alternate unit upgrades

>>4251756
>Sense of wonder and it being something new and different
Well that's kind of impossible if you're making a game in a series while still wanting to stay true to that series.

>Town music-best music
They're pretty good. Except for Preserve.

>Campaign was most engaging
It was top roleplay but I'm not sure if reading an essay every day is good storytelling.

>The heroes were kind of fleshed out
What do you mean?

>>4251756
>Sense of wonder and it being something new and different
So.... nothing from Heroes 2 then

>>4251953
you name one game that gives you the same feeling like you're living in a fairy tale, then we'll talk.

>>4251963
Sengoku Rance

>hot Japanese hentai girls everywhere desperate for your dick
>not a fairy tale

>>4251965
Weebs be gone from this place

>>4236758
went for 4+5 after all.
I was thinking that I would have a rough time, since 6-8 were the games of my childhood, so no nostalgia goggles for me on 3-5, but man... it was a while since any modern or old game provided so much FUN!

gladly will go for 3 as soon as I'm finished with Xeen

>>4251965
is anon shitposting with low quality bait, is he retarded, or maybe has garbage taste, I guess we'll never know ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

that's a fairly OK game, but waaay far from what was requested

>>4251978
I'm gonna crosslink this post on Rance general for emotional support against you.

>>4251756
>Improving on every single thing
I don't think so, Tim. The 3d graphics were worse in many respects.

>>4251953
get fucked, faggot

>>4251965
weeb. Shoulda known.

>>4251459
Of course, the trolls are harassing women (heroines)!

How do I find out how much spellpower / damage creatue spells do?

How do I motivate myself to finish a campaign in any game? They're all so bland and badly written.

>>4252136
Play H4 (vanilla campaigns).

I like all Heroes equally.

:-) ALL

>>4252157
>Massive walls of text every few turns
>No connection between those story texts and the gameplay

>>4252209
Damn. Mic dropped!

>>4252209
>I want better story
>but there shouldn't be too much story
>and it should be more closely related to the gameplay (i.e. be less developed)
Fuck off

>>4252108
Look it up on the wiki. And for an individual casting, if you right click on the spell, it'll tell you how much damage it does, albeit not the formula.

At least we can all agree that purely in terms of style/visuals, Disciples >>>>> Heroes of Might and Magic.

>>4252383
Disciples has amazing presentation all around, true. The models didnt age that great tho.

>>4250278
Heroes 3:
> Use as a baseline
Heroes 2:
> A bit of campaigns
> Non-regular, non-symmetrical upgrade style
Heroes 4:
> Adventure map variety and presentation
> Campaigns writing (to some extent)
> Artifact variety (where it applies to heroes 3-style combat)
Heroes V
> Alt upgrades (combine with h2 style)
> Class-specific skill
> Take -some- inspiration for hero involvement in the battle

>a boar is as fast as a dragon
Wow Heroes II, wow.

>>4252383
>At least we can all agree that purely in terms of style/visuals, Disciples >>>>> Heroes of Might and Magic.

Disciples I-II style is cool to look at on screenshots but actually playing it is awful. Everything is dark and it can be difficult to make black and brown objects on black and brown background. Devs even knew this which is why in II there is a setting that adds flags to every active character and map object.

>>4252439
Well, that is legitimate criticism. Worse so, even after right-clicking at the object you get no indication wether its a decoration of a POI. Still, maybe i just played this game way too much, but it never really bothered me in the recent memory.
Anyways, what Disciples really excels at are unit portraits.

>>4252431

I haven't even played it myself and just looking at the creature stats and the massive imbalance between factions is giving me a headache.

>>4252461
Heroes was never supposed to be a particularly balanced game. It ain't esports.

>>4252479
Then why do the Russian multiplayers always apply insane rules that take all the fun out of Heroes?

>>4252482
Because when you do actually try to compete getting skeletrolled for the 1000th time isn't so fun.

>>4252482
>take all the fun from heroes
Oh yeah, because changing whole two faction -slightly- and banning a single skill makes heroes literally a chore. I just coudnlt imagine what the game would be without diplomacy or upgraded firebirds.
The horror.

>>4252461
there's six factions in homm2:

the basic bitches, castle and barbarian, low on magic, weak, best for small maps
sorceress and necromancer, medium magic, medium strength, medium maps
wizard and warlock, high magic, strongest, large maps

the evil ones are a bit better than the good ones

>>4252512
>best for small maps
This rarely works out in practice because H2 has very little on the map to play off of.

>>4252509
Okay, sorry Vitaly.

>>4252431
Faster than any but Black Dragons, but it's more that flying creatures have infinite movement. Their turn is dependent on the speed stat, but unless slowed they can always fly from one corner of the map to the other.

>>4233053

>>4252601
Be glad you didn't get a choice between learning and eagle eye.

>>4252601
What's wrong with Resistance? It's quite good on Barbarians.

>>4251978
>>4251969
>>4251965
Member from Rance General here.
Dear /HoMM/, I must apologize for anon's weeb behaviour. Clearly he hasn't been fed yet.

Please pay no more attention to him and have a nice day.

>>4251984
What did I tell you about bothering others, child? Leave the nice anons alone, you hear? Back to /haniho/ with you.

>>4252629
seems pretty totally unnecessary

>>4252648
Based
Have a nice day, sir

>>4252629
It's bad
There are like 6-7 mandatory skills if you want to optimize your hero, and then the flex slots can be used on way better things; resistance is too much luck based to be useful most of the time, and that is when it actually does anythig (so only against other players)

>>4251953
>>4251965
faggot

>>4252512
>the basic bitches, castle and barbarian, low on magic, weak, best for small maps
even that is fucking arguable because Warlock starts with Gargoyles and can buy them from town, and if he gets 1-2 more Warlocks from spending all gold on heroes then Gargoyles will fucking eat everything while being fast, plus you get the usual HoMM scaling on attack spells but with HoMM2's extremely low HP.

Metagaming-wise, Knight hero exists to get early Expert Leadership necessary for certain events and is decent for late game melee armies and Barbarian is the best main hero material for the archery-heavy Wizard armies (or most armies) because of his ridiculous Attack. Also you want Barbarians to speedrun certain maps like the one in Archibald Campaign where you go through desert to get a Dragon Utopia.

About the only way to play Knight is to try and get a second town and either double-build some shit like Rangers and try to swarm, or if the other town is something good like Warlock or Wizard then you just change to that. Knight faction is arse otherwise, but you can build it up as a secondary town and replace your tier 1/2 in late game with like Crusaders or something (they still fucking die in droves).

Sorceress has the best hit'n'run potential and can win games solely with Phoenix + Armageddon, aside that she's just alright.

HoMM2 is overall a game of Warlock vs Wizard. Necro can work but it's much harder to snowball because it doesn't have HoMM3's various Necromancy skill increasers (but it does have Knights and their retarded fucking Peasants).

Just played the Voyage Home HoMM2 expansion campaign and this time I decided to do the betrayal option. Holy fuck that was so much easier than the times I stayed loyal. You not only upgrade to Necro and Barbarian from Knight, but the way the map is setup you can expand so much more easily due to where the Barbarians are. I finished the last scenario in week 8 and my final score was 141 days.

>>4233053
In Heroes 3 how do you make random map templates, or which should I use?

Also do the templates work on the hota mod?

>>4253946
There are no templates.

>>4253946
The templates are basically text files with descriptions of possible zones for RMG to base its process on. HD mod adds the possibility to select templates out of a dropdown list to SoD and HotA both (they're all in \_HD3_Data\Templates directory).

There's some guides on how to edit templates out there, use your google-fu. HotA team is developing a visual editor for RMG templates but it's not out yet. The most popular (played in PVP) templates should be 8mm6 and Jebus Cross I think.

>>4248893
Lord Haart seems suspect of Jewery, were the devils good all along?

>>4236816
>>4251184
So, last night I finished winning the mission substantively. I haven't gotten the sword, but I took all 5 of the towns in the main area and eliminated all enemy heroes I can see.

Playing on Expert. The date is Month 2, week 3, Day 6. For a while, there were no special tricks, just playing HoMM 3 and a bit of musical castles. The enemy had several strong heroes, but no real main army, and eventually I had Crag Hack pound them one by one. The combination of roads, easy access to stables, and those monoliths near the west side of the board make it easy to attack but hard to defend. If I had to do it over again, I would concentrate on the west side of the board, as that's where the monolith is. Honestly though, to win, all I really did was standard stronghold tricks; get a Behemoth crag on week one, go for castle, then go for the upgraded version. But I never had more than 6 AB's at any one time, but they were sufficient, with Crag Hack's skills and a bit of support. My "main army" is a bit anemic for this late stage, with

54 Royal Griffons
5 Cyclops Kings
7 Ogre Magi
24 Crusaders
4 Ancient Behemoths

But of course, if you break the enemy it doesn't matter how many losses you take.

I never saw an army that big, that early as you did. I'm not entirely sure how it mustered one up. The map has a shitton of gold mines, and recruitment restrictions on 4 of the 5 real towns, not to mention that Red apparently has a town tucked away somewhere where it can't make troops but can make gold. So manpower is your usual limiting factor, and that makes all those external dwellings very important. Constantly raid your opponents ones when you can, and hire out those archers and pikemen and griffons and whatever. It doesn't matter if they get hunted down and killed, your main point is to deny them to the enemy.

>>4234492
Palace - Sand terrain

t1 - Slingman (Ranged)
t2 - Sandmen (Sleeps enemy)
t3 - Wadjet (Ranged, no melee penalty, spits poison)
t4 - Crocodile Rider (Can swim through moats)
t5 - Priest (Ranged, Cure all)
t6 - Lions (Slowly reproduce with each other when bought)
t7 - Sun God (Attacks close range with sun beams, will burn enemies adjacent to target)

>>4254395
>t6 - Lions (Slowly reproduce with each other when bought)

>>4254248
What the fuck?

First of all, this makes no sense. Why Disease Haart and War Tazar? Crag Hack should have been War if anything. Also, why War AND Conquest? Isn't that basically the same thing? Should have made it War and Pestilence or something.

Second of all, you cannot spell Horsemen without semen.

>>4254435
>Why Disease Haart
Because he was a necro spy the whole time. A sort of disease rotting within Erathia. I couldn't think of anyone more fitting of "disease" anyway.

>and War Tazar?
Because he's more war and less conquest, where crag is more conquest and less strategy/tactics/etc.

>>4254435
>Also, why War AND Conquest?
I didn't come up with the four horsemen.

Pestilence is disease, ya doofus. Did you mean famine?

>>4254540
Yes, Famine. That's the right one that's missing.

>>4254395
>Palace
A fitting faction name.

>Wadjet
A mythological creature I had never heard of before; kinda surprising. Good choice, but I would have went for a higher tier than 3.

>t6 - lions
...not t6, and we already have manticores, but I like the unique specialty. Can't explain why no other creature does it, but it's still an interesting idea.

>Sun God
What would that look like, Ra?

>>4254547
>>4254540
Anon is right, you're missing Famine in there. Pestilence and Conquest are one and the same.

>>4254552
> Can't explain why no other creature does it, but it's still an interesting idea.
Because it's an incredible free self-sustain and you can just look at Heroes 6 if you want to see what happens when there's too much self-sustain.

...Or at Necropolis.

>>4254552
Kind of was looking for a unit to represent Bast, and yes Sun God is based on Ra

>>4254586
>Kind of was looking for a unit to represent Bast
why not a sphinx then? They're lions with human faces (and eagle wings); bast is a cat woman, it's pretty close.

>tfw will never play a Might & Magic game even though I really want to because my autism forces me to start at the beginning of the series and MM1 is too hard

>>4254708
Same here, but MM1 doesn't seem that hard. Been playing it for some time, members are around level 3. It's not easy, you do get fucked up occasionally but you can just try again.

>>4254708
>>4254728
The first game is more just that you don't really know anything and there is a fuckton of grinding and no map. You will wipe a lot, but most of the time it's obvious why. The game takes open world to the extreme which makes it really not suitable for that many people. If you use a guide though you can finish it in a week or so, but it was designed to originally take a year or more to solve due to the lack of information. In the age of the Internet it's a very different experience.

The second one has a lot more puzzles but it has a basic automapper in game, and the major game clues are put on obvious signs. You just need to decode it. There's a ton more content in MM2 and it has a much better story that will lead into 3 and eventually end in 5.

We mainly say to skip the first two games because the graphics really show their age and the forgiveness of the rest of the series is a complete shift. For most players that aren't comfortable with old RPGs IoT and especially WoX are still pretty easy to get into. Jumping into the first two will frustrate almost anyone that isn't ready.

>>4254708
If your perfectionism, completionism and adherence to hierarchy is so important to you, perhaps you could be convinced to get some help with MM1? Play it with Grid Cartographer at least to help with mapmaking.

>>4254708
t. b.1999

>Astrologers proclaim month of the snake tits
>369 replies
>0 snake tits

You faggots had one job

>>4255310
Snake tits are for horny 11 year olds. Real men want pixie anime girl butts.

>>4252648

This is the most pathetic virtue signalling I've ever witnessed.

>>4255337
Can you post some Sprite or Pixie rule34 pleas?

>>4234828
The Tower equivalent. I forgot how it is called in HV

>>4255386
Eh, Could've been worse.

>>4255576
Academy is strong.

>>4254956
MM1 is tuned with exploration in mind.
They expect you to walk around cataloging everything you find while drawing your own maps because as you do chances are you're gonna have a good number of successful battles and therefore level. If you just open up a guide and go from important spot to important spot of course you'll end up having to grind something somewhere.

That said, MM1 is really dated and even Apple version interface can be tough to wrestle with at times.
If you don't have enjoyment with it, just move on to World of Xeen (4-5). I promise you won't really lose much.

And if you absolutely HAVE to play MM1 first, I recommend this automapping tool:
https://www.eskimo.com/~edv/lockscroll/WhereAreWe/
It'll basically spare you the trouble of actually drawing maps without taking away discovery and exploration.
You casual.

>>4255626
3rd strongest

Would you play a new Might and Magic game from Ubisoft?

>>4255738
I would try it, but I refuse to give ubjiews a single penny for any of their games, so I'd have to pirate it.

>>4255738
I didn't play their figurine game because it looked like abject trash.
I'm willing to give anything a spin as long as it's good but their track record so far is lacking.

>>4254708
MM1 is quite easy past the first town if you know what to do.

There is a repeatable fetch quest that starts in the basement of the first town with huge rewards and you can finish it without fighting a single enemy outside of this basement. To get started you just need a few gems to pay the Leprauchan to warp to those towns and a small bit of money to get the levitation buff from the temple to not get killed by traps on the way to the teleporter in Dusk dungeon.

After doing this quest a few times you should have enough money for the best buyable equipment and a decent level making the rest of the game smooth sailing.

>>4248651
Can't believe nobody said otherwise yet. Unlike artifacts, creature specialization bonus applies to adventure map speed too. Meaning Galthran is Necropolis logistics specialist, so to speak.

>>4255884
uhmm... but zombies are slower, so the true specialist would be Straker!

>>4255889
True, but who in the right mind would select Straker over Galthran or Thant?

>>4255892
This guy >>4246063

>>4255906
>implying

Why are Might and Magic 7 goblin girls so sexy (and males are big and strong) but Heroes of Might and Magic 3 goblins are all ugly male manlets? They are set on the same continent.

>>4255954
Really made me think

>>4255954
Might & Magic and HoMM games generally have some massive inaccuracies both in lore and in graphics. Look at what Kreegan look like in M&M6 and wonder which HoMM game does that depiction fit. Why is Bracada in M&M7 a vast desert and in HoMM3 Towers are most distinguishable by their snowy aesthetic?

>>4256192
I always thought that the Tower territory had both desert and snow... hey... wait!!

I was right! Guess your head is the plot hole haha. There's a desert (Bracada Desert) between Bracada itself and Erathia.

>>4256214

I´ve played only HoMM1,2,3 and 4.

Are the new ones any good?

Which is the best one for /vr/? Im quite bored of playing constantly HoMM III (actually i don´t but im in the mood for something else).

>>4256216
Rekt!

>>4256384
Well, Homm5 is homm3 in 3d with better skill and magic systems, better balance, alternate upgrade system, caravans and dead multiplayer. Also every hero in every campaign is retarded. Everything past it is Ubisoft going in random directions.

>>4256402
Are you fucking suggesting that HoMM5 is
>3 in 3d with better skill and magic systems, better balance, alternate upgrade system, caravans and dead multiplayer.
Because that makes my dick diamonds

>>4256402
DAMN

Heroes 5 completely raping Heroes 3 ITT!

>>4256408
On the other hand, it looks like a weird world of warcraft/warhammer mash-up design wise. Which may or may not be for you. Scantily dressed female units are present, if you're into that. Also it's hard to notice interactive objects on map. You can actually respec your heroes. Etc.

ITT: Play Heroes 6 and Play Heroes 5.

~/vr/

>>4256419
>such shill, very wow

>>4256418
I wanna fuck the shit out of this pixie

>>4256446
Which one would you prefer?

>>4256450
2006 >> 1999 >> 2002 > 2015 > pre-1999 >> 2009

>>4256450
Why was it that for H6 Sylvan wasn't even on the cards I wonder? Was it too girly or whatever? Or was it seen as clashing with Sanctuary? Because Academy and Fortress designs in 7 are both unused concepts from 6 that they had to cut because Ubi are incompetent.

>>4256419
>shilling for dead games in a dead thread
Acquire brains

>>4256216
Are you talking about that desert between the snowy Bracada and Tatalia? Because I'm pretty sure that's where Krewlod (stronghold) is located.

>>4256450
everything after 1996 was a mistake

>>4256450
1992 and 1995 are by far the best. 1990 might be good but there isn't enough to tell.

>>4256789
I kind of like H5 design, it's not too overdone like H7 pixies that are just blobs of random color

Any homm3 discords?

And do any anons know if the HotA port is stable?

>>4256789
This. Too sexy!!

Why are there no healer units in H3?

Before saying hurr tent, let me clarify: i want a healer unit that you can actually have more control over. And can actually fight

>>4257807
So, Archangels?

>>4257810
Shit i forgot.

Well how about a lower tier healer

>>4257812
Skeletons should've been able to cast animate dead.

>>4257807
NWC were smarter than Black Hole and probably understood even back then that overabundance of various sustaining abilities makes fights protracted and creature stacks bloated.

>>4257541
Girl here. What's wrong with being sexy? I once dressed up as a Pixie for my bf, he always plays Conflux only in multiplayer.

>>4254047
This cleared some things up for me, thanks. I did do it eventually and never even saw edric with such a large army again. Guess it was a rng fluke that one time. Im also
>>4246910
But I think Im getting the hang of the campaigns a bit more, just have to accept that my instincts are wrong, and it can br fun trying to use different tactics, but main thing is that the objectives always take so long, giving me the feeling Im being punished for wanting to experiment and being an idiot for not getting a hang of the map on try #1.