/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4249726
IBM PC > your shitty meme computers

>>4249731
IBM PC was a shit at its time. So was the XT, AT and even PS/2 line.
The PC Compadibles didn't get good before the early/mid 90's.

/vr/ is too young and too American to feel nostalgic about any of these and Amiga was clearly better so there's not a whole lot to discuss

>>4249736
OP here. Ignore this post, I do not encourage EU vs US shitposting, just a thread about two computers.
Even people who are too young to have any nostalgic feeling towards those systems are free to post about their experiences if they have any, no matter where they where born or live.

Atari ST vs Amiga shitposting is ok though, that's part of the culture.

>>4249736
>Amiga was clearly better so there's not a whole lot to discuss
Was it? I'm pretty certain there exist some games that where better on the ST.

>>4249740
No one is encouraging EU vs USA shitposting, I'm just saying that most people here don't really care

>>4249745
Sure, but that's because of bad ports. As a machine, the ST was just a cheaper Amiga afaik.

>>4249726
Amiga for video editing, Atari for music production.

The Atari ST sound chip was diabolical, the C64 was better. Amiga hands-down.

>>4249762
Atari ST was good for music production because the integrated MIDI, to be fair Amiga had plenty of nice sound software that worked fine with a MIDI adapter.
But the ST was a better idea as just a MIDI machine, because you literally only used it to control MIDI instruments and save/load sheets, so it didn't matter if it was worse hardware wise or even a black/white monitor (that was actually nice and sharp for GUI use), Amiga would have been a waste as such a tool in music production.

>>4249740
>Atari ST vs Amiga shitposting is ok though, that's part of the culture.
Are the even any Atari Bros left? It was basically dead for games even by about 1992 whereas the Amiga had another four or so torrid years where it looked like things MIGHT get back on track before it was all ground into the dust (hence the psychotic nature of the Amiga fanbase).
All the Atari threads I've ever seen just peter off to "it had MIDI".

>>4249735
>The PC Compadibles didn't get good before the early/mid 90's.
So when computer gaming actually got good then.

How is IBM PC not the best, again?

>>4250672
(you)

>>4250672
>playing early/mid 90's games on a IBM PC from '81
u wot m8

>>4249726
Amiga all the way.

>>4249726
Superior meme machine

>>4249726
Amiga. By a landslide.

>>4252796
Also acceptable.

MSX is best

>>4252796
The x68k is a great machine, but actual hardware vise it was weaker year-by-year when compared to an Amiga. It does however have more colors over the Amiga, until AGA came out.

>>4253005
MSX a weak but cool.
MSX 2 a less weak and cooler.

>>4250735
>imblying it's not true

'80s computers couldn't even fucking scroll smoothly like consoles, what a joke.

>>4254164
Fuck off with your shit bait faggot.

>>4253772
>The x68k is a great machine, but actual hardware vise it was weaker year-by-year when compared to an Amiga.
Actually, before the arrival of the Amiga 3000 the x68000 was more powerful than any amiga model on both graphical and raw power aspect. When the Amiga 3000 was released though, it topped every single x68000 model out there when it came to raw CPU power though, even the x68030 one that came out later. The 4000 did the same, while the Amiga 1200 topped all of them except the x68030.
When it came to the graphic chipset, the x68000 was still better when it came to the number of planes and sprites, though the Amiga could achieve more colors on-screen with AGA just like you said.
>>4250663
>All the Atari threads I've ever seen just peter off to "it had MIDI".
Well, that's what it was great at, making music. MIDI ports on a computer this cheap. Yeah, you'll tell me the amiga can have those, but you actually have to expend it for that (on top of paying more for the computer itself). When you expend the ST, it's so it can handle master tape recorders and the likes. The atari crowd aknowledge the fact that the games weren't the biggest point of the computer.

>>4253005

For 8 bit. But this is a 16-bit computer thread.

>>4249726

The Atari was the first machine to ever break the 1 MB memory for under $1,000 wall. But Amiga still trounced it. Still, the pre-PC 16-bit computer market was a tiny niche in America. Even the winner was a loser.

>>4255278
MURRICA!

>>4255278
>Still, the pre-PC 16-bit computer market was a tiny niche in America. Even the winner was a loser.
The PC was 16-bit and it was older than Atari ST and Amiga. You mean home computer market.

>>4255272
>But this is a 16-bit computer thread.
Not really, the ST and Amiga both where 32-bit machines with 16-bit data bus. They where considered 32-bit machines at the time also, in the late 80's both where also fully 32-bit already with a 32-bit bus.
It's weird we call the Genesis a 16-bit console when in the heart of it it's 32-bit.

>>4253005
Did the MSX have any presence in Europe?

>>4249726
Only Amiga makes it possible.

>>4249731
>IBM PC > your shitty meme computers

The IBM PC could barely display more than eight colours in the 1980s, and god help you if you wanted to multitask.

>>4256191
Depends on the country. Here it was like
ZX >> CPC >>>> MSX (Both 1 and 2) >>> C64
It wasn't a commercial success but people was definitely familiar with it.

>>4256191
It did, mostly in the Netherlands. Konami localized most of their MSX games, including Metal Gear 1 (but not 2), to English.

some random comparison vids

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRQEZYmAvzo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_gGNE7u5Es
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D0i8CyoKT0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3McJPC2Qink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNGXuQKSjhI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1F0X-rK8HY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJcAPM_dMeA

defender of the crown

amiga
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOhCYuI9ZrY

atari st
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BbZSmpORFo

dungeon master

amiga
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VSVaJOemEU

atari st
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGLkPY22pkg

Some interesting history on the two systems too, I might be a bit off but basically

In the beginning atari 8 bit and commodore 64
Jay Miner lead design on atari 8 bit
Tramiels ran Commodore

Tramiels end up going to atari, release the st's
commodore picks up amiga which was designed by Jay Miner

Crisscross!

>>4256279
Jay Miner designed the Atari 8-bits in Atari.
Shiraz Shivji was one of the engineers in Tramiel owned Commodore who designed the Commodore 64.
Jay Miner left Atari and started working on his own vision of a home micro and got picked up by Commodore.
Tramiel left Commodore with a few engineers, one who was Shiraz Shivji and purchased Atari.
Jay Miner made the Amiga under Commodore.
While Shiraz Shivji made the Atari ST in Atari.

Atari 8-bits = Amiga's grandpa.
Commodore 64 = Atari ST's grandpa.

>>4256191
It was popular enough for konami to add a french translation in the european release of Metal gear on MSX (see the back of >>4256234).
I was not as popular as the CPC, but still managed to sell more than 60k units.
>>4256290
Actually Shiraz only led the team that designed it, the ST was conceived by a bunch of engineers at Atari Japan (in the service manuals all of the engineering drawings are from Atari Japan). But yah he did play a role in both the C64 and ST conception.

>>4249726
Got both. I still use my Atari for midi music, it's reliable af. But for playing games and getting the good sound and colors I always go to my Amiga.

>>4257071
A good Amiga is far better even for MIDI nowadays.

>>4257907
It actually isn't. The Atari still has better music-oriented expansions and the sequences available on it are among the tightest ones available on any computer.

>>4258391
>Atari still has better music-oriented expansions
>sequences available on it are among the tightest ones available on any computer.
Oh boy, what sad planet do you live on? You're not very familiar or up to date with Amiga's, are you?