/vr/ - Retro Games

Too bad that it was released on the second worst and best selling home console

>>4244563
>Too bad that it was released on the second worst and best selling home console
>implying PS1 actually had good games
Too bad you made the wrong decision and bought the worst console of the gen instead.

Can't you faggots stick to your containment tread?

>>4241017

>>4244595
If we all stayed where we were supposed to, you'd still be hopping on your black boyfriend's dick instead of shitting up a DOOM 64 thread faggot child.

>>4244523
>Doom 64
>good
This is what Nintoddlers actually believe.

>>4244523
>best monster designs
Yeah, love those clay models with 2 frames of animation.
>best weapon designs
Yeah, great, especially that 1 frame shotgun reload animation lmao.
>best level design
A joke compared to Doom 1 eps 1-3 and most of Doom 2.
>best atmosphere
PS1 Doom did it first and better.
>best sound effects
Literally lifted directly from PS1 Doom.

Doom 64 fags are delusional.

>>4244639
Don't mock them. It's a disease.

>>4244680
>Yeah, love those clay models with 2 frames of animation.
Far better than the Hasbro color palette and saturday morning cartoon designs of DOOM 1 and 2.
>Yeah, great, especially that 1 frame shotgun reload animation lmao.
It's almost like no game is perfect and DOOM 1 and 2 have shitty flaws too, hmm.
>A joke compared to Doom 1 eps 1-3 and most of Doom 2.
Wrong. Next.
>PS1 Doom did it first and better.
Lmao did what better? PS1 DOOM is a stripped down PC port with shittier graphics, what the fuck are you talking about you dumb cunt?
>Literally lifted directly from PS1 Doom.
First you use the PS1 version as an argument and then you shit on D64 for its similarities, holy shit you are retarded.
>Doom 64 fags are delusional.
It sounds like you're upset that mommy bought you an autistic JRPG machine instead of the cool kid console with awesome games like DOOM 64.

>this insane delusion
Were you the fag from the D64 emulation who got blown away?

>>4244523
Fixed it

>>4244692
>this insane delusion
>Were you the fag from the D64 emulation who got blown away?
You could have just said "I have no argument and I'm gay".

>>4244563
One reply in and a Sony pony already derails the thread into a retro console war. Lmao man, PS1 dickriders really are some of the most insecure faggots to walk to the earth. Maybe if the PS1 actually had good games to play you wouldn't need to constantly shit on all the "inferior" competitors.

>>4244696
>quoting everything I said and ending it with "ur gay"
I really want to know if your were involved in this thread >>4241131
You seem disabled enough.

>it's on n64 therefore it's SHIT

D64 haters literally have no other argument

>>4244609
>still going on about the N64 and it's games and how great they are over everything else

Your's is a sad existence that you need this much validation on your tiny fragile ego

>>4244702
>quoting everything I said and ending it with "ur gay"
>literally ends his post with "ur retarded"
The intellect of the average Sony fan, everyone. But yeah, I was in that thead. As I recall the topic of being poor really touched a nerve with you and then you proceeded to have an autistic breakdown, call any argument longer than one sentence "getting mad" and then openly admit to samefagging.

>>4244706
How does one have validation "on" an ego, exactly?

>>4244523
And it is even better on PC.

>>4244714
>not actually playing the real game
>"better"

>>4244708
I didn't partake in it, I only stumbled into it and witnessed the autism, but nice try assuming who I am. Enjoy your console wars and inferior game.

>>4244703
OP probably is playing it on PC

>>4244718
>I didn't partake in it, I only stumbled into it and witnessed the autism, but nice try assuming who I am. Enjoy your console wars and inferior game.

>>4244687
>Wrong.
Nice shit taste.
>Lmao did what better?
The horror and hell ambience.
>PS1 DOOM is a stripped down PC port
It cuts the fat and gets rid of the crappy maps, most notably the city ones from Doom 2. It also has more monsters than Doom 64, only missing the Arch-Vile.
>with shittier graphics
It has new lighting effects and skyboxes.
>then you shit on D64 for its similarities
They couldn't even create their own sound effects, they had to get it from a 2 year old game lol.
>cool kid console
Yeah, the console with no games, glad I was never stuck with it.

>>4244523
Is Doom 64 the Sonic CD of Doom games?

>>4244726
Nah it's the Shadow the Hedgehog of Doom games

>>4244725
>It cuts the fat and gets rid of the crappy maps
lmao

psx doom only existed for people who couldnt afford a fucking 486

>>4244725
>Nice shit taste
Pot, meet kettle.
>The horror and hell ambience
If this is really what you think, you should be arguing in favor of the PC version and not a botched PS1 port you dumb faggot. Nothing about the PS1 version is special, nothing. And it does not do the ambience better, that is retarded for so many reasons.
>It cuts the fat
Lmao, less content, and recycled content as opposed to original content like that found in DOOM 64 and PC is "cutting the fat" to this retard, oh boy.
>It has new lighting effects and skyboxes
Cool, so does DOOM 64, in addition to a hundred other new things.
>They couldn't even create their own sound effects
So your argument is that DOOM 64 sucks because it used some sound effects from a 2 year old console port, but the PS1 version somehow doesn't suck even though the entire game is a shit port of a 2 year old PC game... Lmao, how badly can you fuck your own argument in a single post?
>Yeah, the console with no games
That would be the PS1, sonyfriend

Hey has anyone played Doom 64 on ZDoom? Man not until you actually mess with the graphics and use a mouse and keyboard to you realize what a piece of shit this game is. Thank God they added that Survival Horror Hard mode with respawning enemies otherwise I'd fall the fuck asleep after the 3rd level.

>>4244757
>Pot, meet kettle
I, too, used this phrase once, in 1st grade.
>Nothing about the PS1 version is special, nothing.
There's plenty, some obvious and some little touches.
>And it does not do the ambience better
It sure does.
>original content like that found in DOOM 64
What good is original content when it sucks? Lmao.
>DOOM 64 sucks because it used some sound effects
I wouldn't say it sucks because of that, just a lazy thing to do.
>port of a 2 year old PC game
It's a great port of 2 great shooters.
>That would be the PS1.
Pretty lazy shitpost desu.

>>4244814
>I, too, used this phrase once, in 1st grade
So not too long ago, then.
>There's plenty
No actually there isn't. It's a dumbed-down PC port. End of story.
>It sure does.
Childish color palette, shitty rock music and cartoonish enemies say otherwise faggot. DOOM 64 is soaked in demonic atmosphere, especially with its ambient sound track. You are retarded.
>What good is original content when it sucks? Lmao
Except it doesn't. That's literally just your shit opinion. Just look at the geriatric original plasma rifle and compare it to the fucking awesome looking redesign. That "sucks" to you, what a faggot.
>I wouldn't say it sucks because of that, just a lazy thing to do.
No retard, using a few sound effects isn't lazy. Designing an entirely brand new game for a console based on DOOM isn"t lazy. Shipping a botched port of a 2 year old PC game with less levels and worse graphics is lazy. I repeat, you are fucking retarded.
>Pretty lazy shitpost desu
Lmao and saying "N64 has no games" took a lot of effort? Face it, PS1 is shit. Nothing but JRPGs and arcade ports. I bet your retarded ass has never even played the N64 and thinks it has nothing but "collectathons" lmao.

God damn neo /vr/ is literally /v/, good fucking job assholes.

>>4244858
>neo /vr/

Why is there a war between PSX and N64 Doom fans? All the games (PSX Doom, PSX Final Doom, and Doom 64) go together so well they're like an unofficial trilogy.

Scratching my head at this thread rn desu. OP posts about how much he likes Doom 64 and it's immediately followed up by hordes of butthurt sonyggers turning it into a console war thread for no reason.

Where did that come from? Why?

>>4244923
This is what they do every single time. If you have a thread about a PS1 game, nobody says shit, but if you dare mention the N64 the ponies come out of the woodwork and start getting super insecure, as if the memory of not getting an N64 for christmas as a child continually haunts them so they attack it at any possible chance. They boast about how "great" the PS1 is and how the N64 has "no games" but yet they get extremely upset when anybody brings one up. Jealousy and bias is the only answer.

>>4244930
Are you sure you're not projecting over not getting a PS1 for Christmas?

>>4244921
PSX is a DVD-R player and a reddit meme, stop using that word.

>>4244956
Ironically, I actually received a PS1 the year before I received an N64, I simply recognize the N64 as a better console. So no, I'm not projecting, you're just a faggot.

>>4244963
>I simply recognize the N64 as a better console
So you just have awful taste, then. Gotcha.

>>4244971
>likes a console with nothing but autistic JRPGs, arcade ports and wannabe SM64 platformers
>hates a console with some of the most highly rated games of all time and tons of gameplay variety
>good taste
Whatever you say, don't forget to breath retard.

>>4244957
Low quality bait.

>>4244978
>a console with some of the most highly rated games of all time
>tons of gameplay variety
Yes, I love the PS1 as well.

>>4244971
>I got btfo so u must have no taste lol xD

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>>4244523
>shit controls
Otherwise agree. This should have been Doom 3.

>>4244523
>no mod community
>terrible controller
Huge deal breaker

Too few enemy types. There are only so many times I can go down hallways strafing Hell Knight/Baron of Hell fire balls, none-the-less the space station levels are fairly cramped not allowing you much movement. A good game but not on par with the old Doom PC games. Better than Doom 3 though.

>>4244639
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>>4244725
>It cuts the fat and gets rid of the crappy maps

Obvious troll is obv. FTFO.

What the hell's with you autistic shitheads, anyways? All of the Doom games are good, and the N64 has nothing to do with the situation now that 64 Ex is a thing.

Doom - Classic.

Lost Episodes of Doom - Meh.

Doom II - Classic.

Master Levels - Good, some original ideas in maps, worth playing.

HacX - Not bad, but not very Doom-y.

Final Doom - Plutonia is classic, TNT is good.

Hell to Pay - Weird, but okay.

Perdition's Gate - Good.

DII: No Rest for the Living - Fucking awesome, easily the best commercial expansion.

Doom 64 - The real Doom 3.

Doom 3 - Good, but doesn't feel like a Doom game, and not enough Hell.

Resurrection of Evil - Good. Improvement.

Lost Mission - I don't remember. So, probably not bad, and probably not amazing.

Haven't yet played RPG, RPG 2, or 2016, but they look good.

All ports are significantly inferior, no exceptions.

>>4244595
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>>4245954
I know it isn't retro but Doom 3 was a good game that I would like to see done again even better in some way some time. Maybe doesn't even have to be Doom itself but even a new IP.

I would agree with you on Doom 64 being the true Doom 3.

>>4246926
DId you play the new DOOM? It's what Doom 3 should have been.

>>4244523
What's really ironic about posts like these,>>4244595
is they get really upset whenever anyone branches out from vr/doom, but also tend to start shit in other threads and every thread other than vr/doom is just arguing over entirely subjective taste. /vr/ is just elitist /v/ to a whole new level of cancer. /vr/doom is way more welcoming and accepting of opinions than /vr/ by itself.

>>4246973
No it is not what Doom 3 should have been at all. I liked Doom 3's attempt at a horror FPS. There is so much potential there for an even greater game.

DOOM 2016 was just a weird bastardized hybrid of old school and new school FPS design philosophy. I hate that people keep memeing and hyping it up to be much greater than it was. It was a decent-good game and nothing more. Not the second coming of christ and not what Doom 3 should have been.

>>4244778
I have, but I use Consolation Prize so it's the Doom64 maps without using the Doom64 monsters/weapons/etc. so I can use gameplay mods. Tossing in a quick simple monster randomizer helps out a lot, especially if you replace all the Hell Knights that every goddamn level has 40 of with things like Hell Warriors, Satyrs, Vore etc.

>>4244523
I've noticed that Doom 64 seems to be getting a lot of appreciation lately. It deserves it, too. Really excellent game. Probably the best single-player FPS on the N64.

>>4244523
>best level design
Duke Nukem 3D, especially Allen Blum's levels like Derelict, Golden Gate, Egypt pyramids

>>4249034
I agree with this, but Duke Nukem 3D isn't a DOOM game.

>>4247567
Oh cool I gotta check that out man.

>>4244523
Im just gonna come out and say that Doom 64 enemies look fucking terrible
>not really 3d
>poorly animated as fuck
>doesnt even look as nice as Doom 1

>>4249193
The demons, lost souls, pain elemental, and imps look great. Hell knight and barons of hell are similar to the original concepts. I don't enjoy the cacodemon, mancubus, or aracnatron though.

>>4249198
>I don't enjoy the... aracnatron
u wot m8?

>>4249203
The metal legs look a bit too cartoony for me. Very blue looking rather than the grey steel aesthetic from the originals. If they made its legs thinner, changed the color of the metal, and made the tips more pointed I'd like it a lot more.

>>4244717
The original game is too dark tho

>>4244523
>best monster designs
kek

>>4249220
Are you somehow implying the D64 Lost Souls aren't the best in the entire series? Cacodemons are shit, granted, but pretty much everything else is either better or on par with the originals.

Spectre is the best looking enemy as you don't see the ugly pixelated design.

>>4245954
>Doom - Classic.
Groundbreaking but only KDITD has aged well, Shores, Inferno and Thy Flesh are all decent to mediocre.
>Lost Episodes of Doom - Meh.
Really fucking bad
>Doom II - Classic.
Level design is mostly garbage.
>Master Levels - Good, some original ideas in maps, worth playing.
Mostly garbage.
>HacX - Not bad, but not very Doom-y.
Pretty fucking bad, especially for an iwad. The first few levels are decent but it goes to shit really fast.
>Final Doom - Plutonia is classic, TNT is good.
Plutonia and half of TNT are better than Doom 2. TNT has some good music, too.
>Hell to Pay - Weird, but okay.
Never played.
>Perdition's Gate - Good.
Never played.
>DII: No Rest for the Living - Fucking awesome, easily the best commercial expansion.
This is pretty good. Played the .wad on PC. Probably awful on xbox 360.
>Doom 64 - The real Doom 3.
Tend to agree.
>Doom 3 - Good, but doesn't feel like a Doom game, and not enough Hell.
Yeah.
>Resurrection of Evil - Good. Improvement.
Yeah.
>Lost Mission - I don't remember. So, probably not bad, and probably not amazing.
Mediocre.
>Haven't yet played RPG, RPG 2, or 2016, but they look good.
>Doom RPG
Pretty damn good for a phone game, it's a turn-based fps dungeon crawler.
>Doom RPG 2
Never played, looks like more of the same.
>Doom 2016
It's different, kinda fun though.

>>4244523
>trashy 90s cgi look
>good
nope

>>4249901
>"My opinion is important" the post

>>4249246
>this
>on par with the original
And don't get me started on the animation

>>4249915
I like it personally. Old DOOM graphics just look like a pixelated mess with gaudy colors. D64 sprites have pre-rendered/clay look to them and I find that appealing.

>>4249983
DOOM is supposed to be a gaudy game, so it fits.

>>4249930
Holy shit could your taste be any worse? D64 Imp looks way better. It actually looks like a menacing demon whereas the original Imp looks like a fucking joke.

>>4249995
>you
>not having reading comprehension

>>4250001
Either you need to work on your own reading comprehension or learn how to write like you aren't autistic. The anon you responded to was in favor of the D64 sprites and you said "this... on par with the original", implying that you disagreed. Not to mention you said "don't get me started on this animation", also implying D64 has shit animation. Are you retarded?

>>4250001
lmao deleted his comment because he realized he was the one who misread. cringe.

>>4250014
The real cringe is thinking that D64 generic design is anything but shit

>>4250017

>>4250017
No, the real cringe is the dumb fuck who can't even be bothered to read a simple sentence before accusing someone of doing the same thing and then using his subjective preference of 20 year old game sprites as an excuse for being a literal retard. And by the way, your opinion is shit. D64 design poops on the chest of everything that came before.

19 years later and pc babbys are still rectally ravaged because the N fucking 64 got the best DOOM game ever made lmao. the gift that keeps on giving.

Always bothered me that the imp corpses have a visible anus. Can't focus on the spooky atmosphere when im looking at buttholes.

>>4251141
Yeah... that's not a butthole, unless you intend to tell me that your butthole is a giant, ripped, gaping wound in your back.

>>4244523
Please keep it in your containment thread.

>>4252725
Hmm... Nah.

>tfw you're a doom fan and actually agree with most of the OP besides level design
D64 had a more consistent (and IMO creepier) atmosphere than Doom 1/2. I know that's pretty subjective though.

Some of the guns (chainsaw, chaingun, plasma) look and feel way better but not having proper reloads on the shotguns blows. The monster designs are hit or miss but missing skellies and archies cripples makes encounters much more stale than Doom 2 or Final Doom.

Honestly I still like it more than Doom 2 and think it's worth playing. The hell aesthetic is great and the first 15 or so maps are fun. Unfortunately it falls off in the back half, like every other Doom game.

>>4244732
Wouldn't that be 3?

>>4252720
But the imp is lying on its back, you can't see it.
You can see the starfish between it's legs before the death animation is completed.
The corpse sprite has a gaping fudge tunnel just hanging out for you to observe.
I love doom 64 but if that's supposed to be a bullet hole then it's a suspicious one.
Full on imp goatse, this IS hell.

I really need to give Doom64 another go soon. The only time I played it was some 10 years ago, tripping on acid, and I got stuck for 40 minutes in like the second or third level because I couldn't find the fucking exit. I remember hugging every wall pretty much going in one retarded circle over and over. I never had this problem in previous versions of Doom, even on a litany of drugs.

>>4255016
Go for it, Doom 64 is amazing. Especially the Hell levels, which is more than half the game.

>>4244523
Played Doom64EX for about ten minutes before dropping it. It's slow boring trash. If I played it as a kid on N64 I'm sure I would have liked it though. Too bad never knew that it wasn't a straight port. I always thought it was.

>le D64 is the best because it's dark and gritty
Let me guess, you play Brtual Doom.

>>4256008
>because it's dark and gritty
No, because it has superb level design beaten only by episode 1 of Doom 1.