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I'm buying Black Crypt. I want the definitive experience while playing on actual Amiga hardware. I'm willing to drop a couple thousand. Won't pull the trigger for a few months, though. I wanna research shit. I don't wanna spend more than necessary. I'd appreciate some advice.

(2/2)

OP here. Fuck. This shit's rare. I might have to play it on a modern PC.

OP again. Found a dope guide: http://www.racketboy.com/retro/commodore-amiga-101-beginners-guide

Would still appreciate advice.

Just use a goddamn emulator, they are pretty good and even emulate the floppy sounds if you want

>>4241984
>>4241990
If you buy, get an Amiga 1200.

>>4242057
>>4242069
But yeah, start with emulation.

I put a gotek in my Amiga. No need for floppies anymore

>>4242109
Granny in the background sure is praying for a cure for your autism.
Guess for A500 it does not really matter, cheapest way to play games.
Why Gotek and not HxC though?

>>4242069
>http://www.racketboy.com/retro/commodore-amiga-101-beginners-guide
>The hardware supports 2, as demonstrated clearly by the mouse
The hardware supports a fuck ton more. The author of the article never heard of a CD32 controller? Also CD32 games support way more buttons then just 1 or 2 too.

>>4242107
Where the fuck do I buy this shit?

>>4242142
Forums or online ads (Craigslist, eBay, local sales sites, etc).
But seriously, take some time to get more familiar with the stuff before going for actual hardware.

>>4241990
>I'm willing to drop a couple thousand

Thanks for making me feel better about emulating.

>>4242158
Pretty darn retarded to go and drop a couple thousand straight away, when nowadays pretty much a perfect setup already is an Amiga 600 plus Vampire 2, that won't set you back more than 350€.
...or sure, drop a few grand on some Amiga 1200 with accelerators and scan doublers, etc. Better if you build one up yourself though, else you won't know shit how anything works.

>>4242150
>>4242163
Clearly stated I'm not gonna pull the trigger for months. Gotta do research. I'm not paying more than I have to. Already starting to justify emulation. Shit's scarce as fuck, sadly. It's not like buying a NES or N64.

>>4242170
Just keep your eyes open and look around once you're ready to buy, chances are there's a fitting model for you (600, 1200, etc) on sale close to you for a reasonable price.
They aren't rare, just not easy to spot, like people selling them on Amiga related forums, etc, unless it's someone who just found it in their basement and put in on sale.

>>4241984
here's the list you're looking for:

must haves:
- Amiga 500 PAL from Europe/UK, not NTSC!!
- 1MB RAM expansion
- gotek usb floppy emulator + HxC firmware
- competition pro joystick in usable condition
- mouse

great to have
- a working internal floppy drive
- a second external floppy drive (you can also put the gotek in there, if so you want a df0 selector)
- a shitton of pirated games (can be bought on ebay)
- a shitton of original games for nostalgia
- a original Commodore monitor like the 1084S, the beast has RGB, s-video and composite, so generally a very good investment
- a good stereo to blast the shit out

You won't be disappointed.

>>4242178
...or you know, a stock (better is it has fastRAM also) Amiga 1200 with a CF card hard drive and WHDload.

>>4242117
She loves me regardless thanks.
Gotek was cheaper and I was just looking for a project.

>>4242181
if money is not an issue then an A1200 is great. But i'm always irritated by enthusiasts constantly recommending the A1200 with several expensive add-ons as the only choice, when all he wants is to play A500 games like everyone did back at the time. How much is a A1200 + addons? And how much is a A500 with a gotek floppy? Just do the math.

>>4242117
Gotek with HxC firmware is all you need.

>>4242196
>when all he wants is to play A500 games like everyone did back at the time
Depends, I upgraded to a 1200 right away when it came out. Kept playing it's games for years to come.
The "A500 is the only Amiga people used" meme is stale.

>>4242196
>How much is a A1200 + addons? And how much is a A500 with a gotek floppy? Just do the math.
That's why I said a basic Amiga 1200, with the money that would have gone on a floppy emulator, going on a chink CF-ATA adapter and CF card instead, these days it won't actually be much more, a couple years ago you could get one for 150€, new-in-box old-stock.

>>4241984
There's is no amiga game that doesn't have an equivalent or better on NES or Genesis with the exception of maybe 10 games

>>4242215
>There's is no amiga game that doesn't have an equivalent or better on NES or Genesis with the exception of maybe 10 games
Other way around buddy, almost all games that have an Amiga version, the Amiga version is the definitive one, except of maybe 10 games. That's always been the main thing about the Amiga. It's also the origin platform for many of the games from that time, like Worms, Lemmings, Another World, Cannon Fodder, Chaos Engine, etc.
You're also forgetting exclusives.

>>4242220
>Worms, Lemmings, Another World, Cannon Fodder, Chaos Engine
All lame games that I don't want to play

>>4242215
>NES
SNES had more Amiga ports

>>4242220
Not to forget the keyboard/mouse games that had no equivalent. I'd own an Amiga just for the superior version on Hired Guns already.

>>4242225
Nobody is forcing you.

>>4242204
>The "A500 is the only Amiga people used" meme is stale.
sales history by Commodore in Germany:
Amiga 500: 1 160 500 (Includes Amiga 500+ sales)
Amiga 1200: 95 500
Source: Petro Taras Tyschtschenko book

Don't have global sales counts, but germany was one of the most important markets.

I agree that the A1200 has great games, too. But the A500 definitely is THE relevant system.

>>4242230
Your mother is forcing me

>>4242214
don't know where you live, but on german ebay an A1200 is about 170€ minimum, whereas 50 € is quite a normal price for a basic A500.

>>4242232
It still sold several hundred thousand units in Europe, it depends how you look at it, the people who had a 500 just went over to other platforms by the time the 1200 came out, while people with actual love for Amiga bought a 1200 for sure and their contribution to the system was huge also.
ECS systems like the 2000 also sold over one hundred thousand in Germany.

If you can, AGA is a must if possible, as you said, it has great games.

>>4241984
PAL or slit your wrists.

If you buy an NTSC Amiga you've made a mistake.

>>4242240
You're right about the 1200, but a working 500 usually goes for at least 80€, now you also need the mandatory 1MB RAM for most things to work. Now also the floppy emulator, while the 1200 with stock 2MB chipRAM and just a 4GB CF (~6€) card and 1€ CF-ATA adapter. The final difference won't be worth not going for the 1200 when it has far better future expandability and AGA.

>>4242241
no, AGA is not a must. It's a must if you never ever want to buy a second amiga. For the start you just need a PAL A500 with 1MB RAM. And by start i mean years. And if you like what you get (and you WILL), you can still buy an A1200.

>>4242253
See >>4242250

OP here. This is what I want. New and perfect. Sleek. Sexy. Am I fucked? This is the dream right here.

>>4242253
That's the sole reason for an AGA Amiga for a beginner, you won't have to buy a second one and if you're not happy, it's far easier to get rid of it. As for the price point, I already explained it won't be much different.
It's far better for a casual user who does not want to own a whole room full of Amigas and just play games. I'd say exactly the opposite, the A500 is a machine for the Amiga enthusiasts who wants to tinker more on the side.

>>4242250
>a working 500 usually goes for at least 80€
not true.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Commodore-Amiga-500-TOP-Zustand-/122682327063?hash=item1c906fc017:g:jEkAAOSwj9lZqVnq

http://www.ebay.de/itm/AMIGA-Commodore-A-500-Drucker-Netzteil-Modulator-Amiga-520-Maus-/322687590500?hash=item4b21ade064:g:ng8AAOSweNNZoyXj

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Amiga-Commodore-A500-/372062569524?hash=item56a0a84434:g:uF0AAOSwLaZZqFop

>>4242263
I'm not saying you can't get lucky, like the boxed "buy now" one, but you don't know how much more the bids would go if you bid too, there's not much to go from 55€ to 80€. Ignoring the 43€ one, because it's not in good condition.

>>4242262
now it gets philosophical. I stand by my point, that a simple A500 is the basic amiga you want to start with. If you have balls even go for a cheapo untested unit since you're not losing much money if it's broken, and you can still replace the floppy with a gotek. It's the easiest entry into the amiga world.

>>4242276
See: >>4242261

Fuck the A500. CDTV 4 LyFe.

>>4242278
A500, 600, CD32 and CDTV here. Sorry m8.

>>4242276
Well, I'm just saying that saying something like the A500 is the only relevant one is ignorant and that if you start with the A500 you will hit the roof of possibilities pretty quick once you want to try out more things than just OCS games. There's not much room to grow with it. A 1200 will deliver much more growing room and possibilities. Even if you decide to pimp the A500 with something like a Vampire, it would be far more expensive than a 1200 with basic expansions then.

Easiest is not always the best.
I have heard way too much of people getting 500's and just getting bored of them quick and selling/stacking them without even trying.

>>4242279
I'm not >>4242278

>>4242284
i agree that can happen. But the A500 is a really nice machine that was ahead of it's time. And you have to agree that it's the most common.

>>4242284
but i'm also >>4242279

>>4242295
>But the A500 is a really nice machine that was ahead of it's time.
Indeed.

>And you have to agree that it's the most common.
It is, I ain't saying it isn't, but all the other Amigas together still sold as much, if not more.

>>4242295
>but i'm also >>4242279
I have a fetish for the A600. It's CUTE.

>>4242284
>>4242295
I want all this shit: >>4242261

My balls ache just thinking about it. Will I ever succeed? New. Sealed. Or as close as fucking possible. Also, is Black Crypt compatible?

>>4242305
>Will I ever succeed?
There's nothing money can't buy.

>Also, is Black Crypt compatible?
Yes, the CDTV is basically an A500, some had even ECS chipsets.
Black Crypt is a OSC game that I think has some extras if ran on a ECS machine (or possible just a machine with 2MB of RAM with Fat Agnus).

>>4242309
How much we talking? Can I buy one part at a time? Not talking about the inside components.

>Keyboard.
>Mouse.
>Monitor.

That kinda shit.

Please explain these terms:

>ECS.
>OSC.
>Fat Agnus.

Appreciate you taking the time.

>>4242405
>>ECS.
>>OSC.
>>Fat Agnus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_Chip_Set
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_Enhanced_Chip_Set
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_Advanced_Graphics_Architecture
The newer the chipset, the better it was, more colours, resolution, etc.
Fat Agnus was just a Agnus (read about Agnus on the first Wiki page) that could map more memory, instead of 1MB it could do 2MB of ChipRAM.

>inb4 chip/fastRAM
ChipRAM is memory that the chipset can use directly, like when you used higher resolutions, you had less memory for other things, like GPU memory nowadays, etc, it's slow for the CPU to use it but that's originally what most Amigas came with, it's also expandable, FastRAM was again expandable RAM what the CPU could directly use, making it very fast, but you couldn't use it as graphics memory, etc. Usually you want to max out ChipRAM and put as much FastRAM as you can into a system.

>>4241984
It's 200 euros but you might want to consider the MIST box. It's an FPGA Amiga and Atari ST in one box, plus C64, Speccy and a whole load more if you're into that kind of stuff.

>>4241984
emulators.com/free.exe

>>4242565
I'll read and respond in forty minutes. Gotta deal with some real life shit.

>>4242628
I'm going with the CDTV. It's too sexy. Nothing else can compete.

>>4242565
Read a load of shit right now. Were there multiple CDTV revisions? Do I need to worry about that? I'm guessing I gotta buy the extra device that reads floppy disks. Black Crypt didn't get a CDTV release. Not a big deal. I want everything. I don't have unlimited funds, though. Shit might take me years. I'm cool with that.

I have another question. Is the CDTV released in Britain the same as the one released in Germany? Do I need to worry about that?

>>4241984
>I'm buying a fucking Amiga

>>4243354
OwO

What's this??

>>4243118
>Were there multiple CDTV revisions?
Yes, OCS and ECS.

>Black Crypt didn't get a CDTV release.
It doesn't matter, the CDTV is like any other Amiga, you can play Black Crypt on it, even as simple as just burning it on your own CD.

>>4243453
How can I tell the difference? I thought the CDTV had ECS/AGA. I'm talking about eBay.

>>4243474
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_Enhanced_Chip_Set
>ECS was introduced in 1990 with the launch of the Amiga 3000. Amigas produced from 1990 onwards featured a mix of OCS and ECS chips, such as later versions of the Amiga 500 and the Commodore CDTV. Other ECS models were the Amiga 500+ in 1991 and lastly the Amiga 600 in 1992.
CDTV was either OCS or ECS
CD32 is AGA.

>>4243505
How do I make sure the CDTV I'm buying's got the ECS? Please be patient. I'm really fucking new to this shit.

>>4243521
It's easy to ask to be sure if it's ECS, it's not something random people find in their basements anymore, someone selling it should know such things already.
I don't own a CDTV, so I'm no expert in them.

>>4243541
Thanks for taking the time. Appreciate it.

Alright. Decided to sober the fuck up. The 500 might be my best bet. Or the 1200. I don't want to spend a brutal amount and have the computer die. Might go with the CD32. Anyways, will Black Crypt run good on the 500? That's my main concern. Game released March 1992.

Also, how accurate is Amiga emulation?

>>4244184
It will run

>>4244191
It's okay, FS-UAE for games, WinUAE for more specialized stuff

>>4244209
Thanks.


Looks like getting the CDTV's costly as fuck. Shit's decent, though. Fresh and new. Extra shit provided. I'll never ever find that sexy black monitor, though. It's best to buy PAL Amiga shit, but can I buy a Canadian CRT? Already know I'm gonna need extra shit to get the power cables to work. Oh, and can the CDTV run Alien Breed 3D II: The Killing Grounds smooth? What about the CD32? Heard it's a bitch to run.

>>4244249
>but can I buy a Canadian CRT?
Commodore Amiga monitors should be able to accept PAL input or Amiga RGB.
There's always an option to get a scandoubler with VGA out and use a VGA display.

>Oh, and can the CDTV run Alien Breed 3D II: The Killing Grounds smooth? What about the CD32? Heard it's a bitch to run.
A beefed up CD32 could run it, not a CDTV, it's a AGA game and does not even run on stock machines, except maybe for an Amiga 4000. But usually a expanded Amiga 1200 or 4000.

>>4244301
The problem's that I want a black monitor. Fucking aesthetics, dude. I wanna buy a black television and be done with it.

>>4244301
>it's a AGA game and does not even run on stock machines
>There's always an option to get a scandoubler with VGA out and use a VGA display.

More reasons for getting a MIST box. VGA out as standard and you can basically make it simulate any kind of Amiga you want.

>>4244249
>Oh, and can the CDTV run Alien Breed 3D II: The Killing Grounds smooth? What about the CD32? Heard it's a bitch to run.

Barely any "real" Amigas in existence can run AB3D 2 smoothly, you have no chance with a CD32 even with the expansion stuff for it, and even then you'd have to pay a fortune for something massively inferior to a similarly expanded A1200. Sadly it's not even that good a game, the first one is better but suffers from horrible sub Gameboy resolution..

>>4241984
I would love to hear about how this turns out.

>>4244249
>STOP IT =NOW=, OK! You will gain *NOTHING* from breaking this protection, but I guess you're too fucking ignorant, narrow-minded or maybe even too stupid to understand that. Yeah, so you and your 'leaders' and 'spreaders' (that's what they like to call themselves, but they're nothing but LEECHES gaining some kind of fame from the work you do) will have something to spread around on BBS', ok... But what the hell do they, or you, REALLY get for all that, huh? Ok credits... So they can download some shit games or other software, but in a wider perspective? I'll tell you =NOTHING=. It's pointless. If you don't realize that now, I assure you that in a few years you will look back at this time and wonder why you did it. I know that from experience. Go and do something constructive, like studying, socializing, programming or whatever! Cracking is not constructive. To you it might seem like a challenge or something you do to get famous, well OK it is a challenge to crack, and you do get famous if you're good at it. Famous for a while, a short while. But nobody will care about that five years from now. You will benefit much more from getting a job, education or a girlfriend, I'm telling you because I KNOW. I was a cracker once, one of the best. In a time when you could actually send the originals by mail, work for a day or two, and then send the cracked version back, and still have a world-first release. Then the scene consisted by computer freaks who made it for the fun of it. The scene today is perverted and lead by ignorant computer-illiterate idiots, only in for the fame and money. They think they're famous and legendary, but nobody likes or admires them for sure. I HATE IT! Now I've realized the stupidity of my actions, and I wish I could undo them. You'll also do just that in a few years too if you have a conscience, and wish you had done something else. SO DON'T CRACK IT!

wew

>>4245039
Why? Am I making a mistake?

>>4245094
What the fuck?

>>4245191
https://tcrf.net/Alien_Breed_(Amiga)

>>4245195
lmao.

>>4245094
>calling themselves spreaders
that's gay

>>4245094
You sound incredibly assmad and full of shit and off your meds. Cracking and working with others in the groups I was part of was one of the best experienced of my youth.

>>4245347
You're retarded, dude.
>>4245195

>>4244853
>you have no chance with a CD32 even with the expansion stuff for it
My CD32 with a '030 runs it fine.

>>4241984
Get yourself a CRT and download WinUAE and CRT Emudriver.
>>4242215
t. person whose sole experience with the Amiga is vicariously through giantbomb or other retards probably on youtube.

buy a vampire 1200 and thank me later

>>4246038
Red pill me.

>>4246038
Might aswell buy the standalone Vampire then that comes out with the 1200 version.

>>4246409
A brand new, modern, FPGA based accelerator/expansion for the Amigas that add's a LOT of features, options and power/performance.

>>4246412
Yeah. I'll buy the stand-alone. Do we know what it looks like?

>>4246412
that's not the vampire 1200?

>>4245832
>>you have no chance with a CD32 even with the expansion stuff for it
>My CD32 with a '030 runs it fine.
You're running the full 4MB version at full screen 1x1 pixel mode, full detail at a smooth(i.e. 30fps) framerate? Are you sure? My 030 A1200 certainly couldn't, and all the videos of it on Youtube running on an '060 look to be in the 15-20 fps range at best.

OP here. Will the Vampire V4 stand-alone be good? Is the hardware gonna be brand new? How many are getting made?