/vr/ - Retro Games

>>>4241284

If you want the grind-heavy dungeon crawl experience, Shin Megami Tensei, Dragon Quest, and Wizardry.

If you want the epic sweeping adventure, Suikoden, Phantasy Star, and Grandia.

If you want action-RPGs, Ys.

>>4241296
There's no likes to gather here, go away.

Y's, Shining Force, Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy, Lunar, Dragon Warrior, Breath of Fire.

>>4241295
Instead of worrying about what's essential, just play games that look interesting to you. That chart is 99% bait, by the way, so if you're posting it in good faith as someone who genuinely doesn't know much about JRPGs, please don't use it as a serious guideline.

>>4241295
At this point everybody knows they are DQ and FF.

>>4241295
JRPG are a shit genre for brainlet retards and you should feel ashamed of yourself for playing this garbage.

>4241437
>this guy is seeking out JRPG threads to cry about them in public again
Hm.

FF, Grandia, & BOF are my go-to's.

>>4241440
That wasn't me retard. I didn't know this thread existed, and I don't know who linked that post up top. I was busy attending to other matters, but I'm glad that there are others on this board who don't have tastes comparable to a feces slinging chimp.

>>4241445
>grrr i'm mad >:(((
Vewy scawy anon

SMT if you are a not faggot!

>>4241447
I was just stating four different facts. But hey, the cycle starts anew, here you are again too, fruitlessly resisting. I suppose that illness is terminal.

>>4241452
Ooh, did I get you a little poopoo peepee anon? Did I put a little tingle in your dingle, buddy? Hey man, did you get a little chunk in your trunk? A little tripey in your diapey?

>>4241454
>literally poopoo peepee Pepe posting because you've had a full-body meltdown
I said I'd leave last thread, I'll do so now because you've lost whatever little mind you had and this thread is likely to die soon.

>>4241457
No, anon, please, I'm begging you, we need you here to enlighten us on how we're wasting our time on a video game genre that you personally don't prefer.

Wild Arms, Tales of, and Grandia.

>>4241445
You don't even know why you posted here and you are calling us retards? What a retard.

>>4241457
>>4241460
just suck each others dick already you homos

>>4241295
>series
If you mean entire series then probably none of them. Generally, there are 2 or 3 games per series that are worth playing. Tops.

>>4241469
When will your gay down syndrome having ass stop projecting everywhere? The world dealt you a bad hand, sperging out over a game genre won't change that.

>4241492
How do you not see that you're the one sperging out? You keep entering these threads and crying about something you don't like to a bunch of strangers that couldn't care less. You even got so curious (furious?) that you self-aggrandizingly announced you were leaving the thread, only to come back and cry some more.

>>4241492
eh. you've got the wrong anon dude.

>>4241498
Yeah I fucked up, only checked the first link and assumed it was the guy in the second link. Remember kids, don't be a lazy fuck.

ff smt persona ct mother ys hdn ds from what I've enjoyed so far, will have to try the rest at some point but I want to complete games before I move on to next

>>4241481
What about Legend of Heroes, that series has only good games

As someone who generally doesn't care for the genre, Grandia, Skies of Arcadia, and the Breath of Fire series really hooked me. The Chrono series too I guess, although I liked Cross more than Trigger (I know, rage if you want).

Rance. Continuous story over 10 games from 1989 onward.

>>4241295
>panzer dragoon
>rpg

>>4241682
The second game wasn't even translated that's how shit it was.

>>4241682
What really? I bought Cold Steel (not retro) on a whim and the first hour or two of it just felt like a budget version of a Persona game with a far more generic look. I never felt like getting back into it because the combat was so slow and boring. But maybe I didn't play enough of it.

>>4241295
>A list like this without mentioning SaGa

>>4241295
Where does Chrono Cross go? Because it sure as fuck ain't bandwagoner.

>>4241731
It goes into the oddity "never should have been made but some of us are glad it was" love/hate section. Never have I seen a game cause such polarizing opinions.

>>4241295
>Persona
>Anywhere but Casual
That's a shit list.

>>4241730
Are you crazy?

>>4241782

>>4241295
Seeing BoF on knowledged section is baffling, that game is so silly.

>>4241314
>Wizardy
>jrpg
...

>>4241295
There's no such thing as a game being essential to play.

>>4241295
>"fan" has shit like golen sun
>"knowledged" has fucking Gradia

This is one if the worst charts I've ever seen

>>4241881
Wizardry is basically as Japanese as Final Fantasy. A few games were made in America but most were done in Japan.

Dark Souls, Skyrim, and Pokemon are really the best ones.

>series
If it counts, I'd say Lufia, if only for Lufia & the Fortress of Doom.

>>4241905
Most were done in Japan? Like what? Aren't most of the games developed by americans?

>>4242041
Wizardry 1-7 and Nemesis were originally done by Americans but most ports were handled in Japan.
Meanwhile you got 4 Gaiden games, DIMGUIL, 5 Empire games, Chronicle and two cell phone games developed in Japan.
And that's just the retro titles.

>>4241295
>well knowledged
>only non trash game is Valkyrie Profile

This better be bait

>>4241295
>Xenogear
>Bandwagoner
Maybe XenoBLADE, but Xenogears is at least JRPG fan tier

>>4241295
>he doesn't like Baten Kaitos or Wild Arms
Come on, my dude

>Final Fantasy (not the dumbed down ports)
>Final Fantasy II
>Final Fantasy IV
>"casual" tier

I didn't see any mention of SaGa for that matter. It might go under weird or dangerously otaku since it has such an autistic following.

And since when is Shining Force an RPG? I thought it was a strategy game. They have RPG elements, but they're still classified as strategy.

>>4242098
There are Shining games aside from Force.
There are also Atelier games aside from Totori.

>>4242098
It's a troll chart made by someone who barely knows anything about rpgs. Almost as funny as the fighters one that gets posted. I wouldn't waste too much effort trying to put logic to it all.

>>4242068
Xenoblade isn't an essential playing by anybody standards. Neither is Xenogear. And for that matter, neither is Xenosaga.

But Xenogears at least has an amazing atmosphere setting musical soundtrack and an ending that doesn't belong in a post 2007 light novel.

>>4241295
undertale needs its own category
>casual bandwagonner

>>4241790
I like your style.

>>4241295
So where do I stand on this image if I enjoy almost all of those games?

>>4242320
Maximum weeaboo.

I'm right there with you.

>>4241726
You played an hour or two of a 90 hour game. Play more of it.

>>4242320
Rpg enthusiast

>>4242063
>Wild Arms
>trash
What shit taste

>>4241295
Persona is more mainstream than 90 of that list. Not that it's a bad thing, it's a good series.

>>4242395
Sorry dude, if you liked it that's cool but I was very disappointed.

What game is the one by Dragon Quest? SMT?

>>4242506
yes

>>4242510
Thanks, anon.

>>4242465
Other than the terrible translations in 1 and 2, what didn't you like about them? Genuinely curious as I've not seen too many people that have played Wild Arms not like the games.

>>4241901
Golden Sun is a classic though. Work on your post quality.

>>4242741
Golden Sun is derivative garbage with a terrible plot force-stretched over multiple games.

>>4242395
>>4242559
>Want's to marry Sony
>claims others have shit taste
Now that's funny.

Not him but I remember renting WA2 after seeing an ad for it in either EGM or Gamepro, and from what I remember the game was fairly ugly, the battles and "puzzles" were boring and unchallenging, and the story wasn't even remotely compelling. I asked a game shop owner if the game got any better towards the end or at least had a decent twist and he said no, so I just returned it early.

Maybe you could convince me to give it another go though, and maybe the first game too.
>>4242826
I loved the graphics, music, and gameplay both in and out of combat (except for the autoguard bullshit), but you're absolutely right about the plot being shit. Never touched the DS entry.

>Mario and Luigi not on casual
The fuck man?

>>4241295

>Shining Force
>Undertale
>Kingdom Hearts
>Panzer Dragoon
>DrakenGard

>JRPG


Dude. One of these isn't even made my a japanese company.

>>4241730
It is good that a list like that doesn't include it.

>>4243109
Mario and Luigi takes more skill than other JRPGs

>>4242063
>this better be bait
Dripping with irony

>>4241720
PD Saga is a thing, yes

>>4244305
It's not a series though.

>>4241295
this will sound incredibly bait-ish, pleb-ish, or whatever the hell else but i have to ask:
What's so good about Valkyrie Profile? I've started playing it and it seems kinda repetitive ad bland... look at random character's story, recruit him, train him in dungeon, watch pretty animations, send him to valhalla.
The combat system seems fun, but I can't unsee how unfinished it looks near something like SRWOG endless frontier (which isn't retro, but i can't just unplay it and stop comparing both games).
Granted, I just started playing it and recruiting Belenus, how does it improve(if it does)? It looks like it has potential, but i don't want to sink over 30 hours into something before it gets good.

>>4241295
>SaGa not even on there.

Fuck off back to /v/, you casual.

>>4245885
I think it earned the props from being its own thing when RPGs in general were getting all samey. It integrated (western) role playing elements into the game. It's also more geared towards western than Japanese market. I don't think you'll like the rest of the game, all you'll be getting are some einjariar that fight better and some better dungeons.

Dragon Quest I-IV, Final Fantasy I-II, Ys I-II, Pokemon RBY.

Anything past these is loose speculation.

>>4242880
Golden Sun is not that bad, it's just kinda dull despite its good presentation. Like its protagonists, it lacks charisma.

That being said, if you like the music by Motoi Sakuraba then Star Ocean, Valkyrie Profile and the Tales of... series are must plays.
For more puzzles, I was gonna suggest Wild Arms but you didn't seem to like it. Maybe Lufia 2, then.

>>4245885
It has some great dungeons: the puzzles and platforming elements are both well-executed, and they tend to have a strong theme to make them distinct from each other. The combat is fun, the character stories are interesting, the soundtrack is excellent, and you can customize your party pretty heavily. There's a lot to like. It sounds like the formula just isn't working for you, though, so you may as well drop it.

Endless Frontier certainly has flashier combat, but I'm not sure I would say the battle mechanics are actually any better than those in Valkyrie Profile.

>>4246102
>>4246143
I see, well thanks for the info.

>>4241934
Silly Anon

>>4242048
even if they were made in japan they still use western gameplay mechanics

>>4246557
As opposed to?

>>4243162
>Dude. One of these isn't even made my a japanese company.
JRPG is a genre not the nationality of the product.
Dark Souls is not a JRPG, but South Park and the Stick of Truth is.

>>4247042
What elements separate jrpgs from other rpgs?

Also most don't consider DS an rpg.

>>4247045
>What elements separate jrpgs from other rpgs?
It depends on who you ask. Is something to do with influences and feel even if every RPG is inspired by D&D.
Roguelike is one of the few genres to have standarized design rules.
http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Berlin_Interpretation

>>4247045
>Also most are fucking retards
Thanks for reminding, I guess.

>>4241295
no weeb would ever tolerate the tone of drakengard

>>4247258
It's literally popular with that specific audience, what are you on? Plenty of weebs love constant despair and suffering with no relief, just look at how much Madoka blew up.

>>4247076
Indeed, but rougelikes aren't rpgs. And yes, both western and Japanese rpgs taje heabt influence from pen and paper. I wasn't asking what you think makes them different from each other in your eyes

>>4247258
It has edgy violence, pedophilia and incest. It's 100% appealing to weebs.

>>4241295
literally only the japanese Wizardry games. not retro, I know, but the only decent jrpgs I know.

>>4248536
What makes them decent for you?

>>4248536
There's plenty of retro Japanese Wizardries. See >>4242048.

>>4241295
>Dark Souls
>JRPG

If Dark Souls is a JRPG, then so is Legend of Zelda and Metroid.

>>4247346
Here you have a list of clichés of JRPGs, but today a lot of the games try not to do the things listed.

http://project-apollo.net/text/rpg.html

>>4241742
Spotted the nocturne fag

>>4242384
Is legend of the sky the best one to start from?

>>4250670
So how is that helpful to the question asked? Most of the things that marked a jrpg as a jrpg don't even get used anymore?

>>4252423
>Most of the things that marked a jrpg as a jrpg don't even get used anymore?
That's right. Like most of the things that marked survival horror don't get used anymore.

>>4241295
>Baten Kaitos
>Well knowledged

Really? I love the game to death, but I don't understand.

>>4246106
But DQV is the best DQ and FFV is the best FFV.

Based on aestetics alone what are the best JRPGs?

I'd put the secret of mana games as one em.

>>4253302
that image is absolutely retarded try-hard meme shit, don't take it seriously.

>>4242741
It's not retro, regardless.

>>4253364
Skies of Arcadia

>>4253364

Legend of Mana
LUNAR: The Silver Star Story
Chrono Cross
Shin Megami Tensei II
Final Fantasy VII or VIII
Kowloon's Gate
Ore No Shikabane O Koete Yuke
London Seirei Tantei-dan
Eldorado Gate
EarthBound
Breath of Fire IV
Phantasy Star IV
Tales of Rebirth

>>4241340
I love you.

>>4241295
gotta be the shittiest pic I've ever seen, thrice for leaving out so many good games, having such a queer as faggot tier list. and then not even putting games in their correct place on the gay ass tier list.

>>4253364

>>4253873
GBA is Retro.
Suck my dick off.

>>4254993
>This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games. Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier. With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro", though the remainder of the sixth generation (Xbox, PS2, GameCube) will not.

>>4254993
>GBA is Retro.
Not in this board.

>>4247076
This video breaks it down pretty well

https://youtu.be/l_rvM6hubs8

>>4255628
What is that bullshit? The eroge made by Falcom or Enix weren't visual novels, they were simple shit like RPS or shifting puzzles.
Kanji also didn't allow for more text because most of the games at the time didn't even have kanji.
It's like they spend five minutes on Wikipedia to get some basics and then just talk out of their ass.

>>4255628
>extracredits
KYS

>>4255628
posting dark elf tits is just barely enough to make up for linking that twat YouTuber.

>>4256921
What RPG have dark elves?
Marlene from DK4 comes to mind though she isn't actually a dark elf.

>>4256927
Morrowind

>>4241295
Neptunia

>ctrl-f 'lufia'
>0 results

KYS /vr/.

Anyway i just beat 2, a fine game with lots to do for completists, but not particularly hard without god tier equip either. Grinding casinobux I got into for a bit before realising carrying on and getting Dual Blade was better than the Dragon Blade. Would've liked to see the highlevel capsule monsters, but I've got a save so I can Ancient Cave whenever.

Ruins of Lore looks like only other good game in series but hearing it isn't quite the continuation of 2 it seems. Lufia 1 is sloggy and boring, I've tried before jumping straight into 2. Any opinions?

>>4256939
try the gbc one

>>4256939
3 is the best

>>4256942
>>4256945
Heard mixed opinions on it - the crazy party size looks great fun and it all being Ancient Caves is pretty cool. I'd miss puzzlesolving and all the stuff you can do outside of battle though, which was the highlight of 2 for me - you could avoid battles by being crafty, but there were battles you had to fight to clear a puzzle area/corridor too.

>>4253342
Are there any other Final Fantasy V's I should know about?

>>4255628
Isn't it the video where they call Dark Souls a WRPG? lol

>>4257551

>>4241697
Cross is definitely better than Trigger
Thx for the list, would try Grandia & BoF

>>4254776
same for me