/vr/ - Retro Games

Not really, but the scalpers ruined any chance of popularity it could have.

>overrated
Sick of this buzzword.

>>4236058
Yes, weebs and segafags will try to tell you it has good games, but don't listen.

It's the opposite of overrated. Most people still know fuck all about it, and pretty much everybody outside Japan just repeats the "fighters and shooters" line and that's it. If they're lucky they got an idea of maybe half of what the Saturn really has to offer.

In Japan, no.

It had a damn impressive lineup and a ton of game that never saw release outside Japan.

In the US and rest of the world, yes.

The PlayStation 1 did everything better, cheaper and it was easier to develop for.

Sega pulled a 64 and made the hardware a complete bitch to work with. It lost a ton of third-party support like Nintendo because of it.

Finally, no one trusted the damn thing after the disaster the 32x.

It was basically Sega's Wii U. Something they intended to go the distance but then had to cancel and work on the next system as a last-ditch effort.

As we all know they didn't pull switch and recover.

>>4236106
>Sega pulled a 64 and made the hardware a complete bitch to work with.

To this day, I still think Sega and Nintendo did this to lessen piracy. Remember Sony lost the bleem case and full-blown emulators were considered fair use. Also the extreme ease of burning copies.

However, it ended up shooting both of them in the foot as the PlayStation was the runaway winner of that generation

Do you like arcade ports? If yes, no. It isn't.

You don't like arcade ports and want more exclusives that weren't made by Sega? If yes, yeah, it is.

>>4236058
It's a video game system.

It has a ton of anime based games. Most never released outside of Japan. (Anine was still extremely niche in the states)

In terms of hardware, it was poor. Sega obviously didn't consider the complete dominance 3D would have on the market.

When I was a kid I never heard about any good games from the Saturn.

Not saying there wasn't but I just never heard about them.

>>4236058
Somewhat

It had no generation defining games, which even the N64 got (Super Mario 64, Goldeneye, Ocarina of Time).

In its strongest territory, Japan, its single million seller was a port of Virtua Fighter 2. By comparison, N64 had multiple million sellers in Japan (N64 only sold more due to lasting more years on the market there).

Its like the PC- Engine, most of its popularity was in Japan and a large portion of its library was arcade ports. Fewer great games than PS1 and N64.

>>4238058
>even the n64
Bow in the presence of a God, fuccboi

>>4238058
"generation defining" rides a bit too much on popularity though, doesn't it? And it had plenty of great exclusives like the Panzer Dragoon series, Nights, Guardian Heroes, Burning Rangers, and a whole lot more. It also seems woefully unfair to write-off it's arcade ports when people were always clamoring for them at the time.

>>4238106
Yeah, he's full of shit. Virtua Fighter is the most "generation defining" you can be.

>>4238123
People outside Japan stopped caring about Virtua Fighter after 1997. There is a reason that series is now dead while Tekken is still around.

Nights is a good game but not great. Burning Rangers has lots of issues.

>>4238126
>Nights is a good game but not great. Burning Rangers has lots of issues.
>>4238058
>It had no generation defining games
Virtua Fighter? Are you joking, kid? Also SEGA Rally.

riddle me this. did the retro-youtubers make the saturn more popular than it should be?

>>4238126
“Once Virtua Fighter was out, the direction of the PlayStation became instantly clear,” said Maruyama.
https://www.wired.com/2012/09/how-virtua-fighter-saved-playstations-bacon/

You can't get more "generation defining" than that

>>4238131
People no longer talk about those games like they talk about MGS, FFVII, Symphony of the Night, RE2, SM64, Goldeneye, and Ocarina.

>>4238141
It was defining as an arcade game dummy, not a port.

>>4238143
I wasn't aware it was a hipster and underage popularity contest. Makes sense coming from kids like you.

>>4238154
I am likely older than you and one of the few that owned a Saturn back in the day.

The console was the runt of its generation like the Turbografx was.

>>4238163
Nice age argument, kiddo. Also not an argument nor does it have context to our post chain.

>>4238140
Saturn already had a reputation for great arcade ports before Youtube was even a thing.

>>4238058
Tomb Raider, which is like the first good impementation of the Lock-On.

>>4238173
You said I was underaged and insinuated I did not enjoy the Saturn during the time of its release. The PS1 was the Saturn except superior in nearly every way. N64 existed as the Nintendo and multiplayer box to differentiate itself.

What kind of ass do you have to be that you cannot accept different opinions from your own?

>>4238182
People think of the Tomb Raider games as a Playstation franchise buddy.

>>4236058
CASUAL gamers don't get SEGA, not back then not now. Now go watch your youtube celebs.

>>4238210
Casual gamers and normies sure as hell loved the Genesis. Most of those people moved on to the Playstation, with a few getting the N64 as the party console.

Its amazing how Sega lost nearly all of their Western fanbase in a single generation.

By comparison the N64 sold nearly on par with the SNES in North America.

>>4238183
K, kid. You didn't need a Saturn to know Virtua Fighter is a generational defining game. More so than anything on PS1 at the time.

>>4238182
>>4238189
>Tomb Raider
>a console game
Underage is pretty strong itt.

>>4238220
Ever wonder why? Filthy casuals love to be told what to do. Like... "where is my SEGA?", etc etc

I am glad that marketing run ended. SEGA does better without.

>>4238228
Dumbass, I am talking about how most perceive it, not how its perceived among bitter Sega fanboys.

>>4238239
You mean how underageb& perceives it. Because anyone that posts on this board should be old enough to know it's a dos game.

>>4238224
D- dumbass, I know Virtua Fighter was an important game, it sure as hell was not important to people outside Japan though because it fucking flopped, and people got PS instead.

>>4238246
I am talking about sales of the Saturn outside Japan. The health of the arcades in Japan meant its arcade ports were a much bigger deal than to Westerners.

>>4238246
>>4238252
Learn to read a post chain kid. The guy said Saturn had no generational defining games. We aren't talking about console sales.

>>4238264
Learn to read dumbass fanboy. The sales are case in point that people did not care for a home console Virtua Fighter experience outside Japan.

Even the Xbox was able to be carried by a single series (Halo).

>>4238271
Shifting the argument and bringing up non retro shit. Confirmed underageb&. We're done here, champ.

>>4238276
You are a butthurt fanboy who cannot accept that the Saturn is not liked by everyone.

>>4238282
No. I'm just not underage and was around for Virtua Fighter. Unlike you, kiddo.

>>4238276
Holy hell this guy is childish.

>>4238283
I played Virtua Fighter back in 1995 on my Saturn you fanboy.

>>4238284
>>4238291
This means a lot coming from the kids who makes a comment like "It had no generation defining games".

>>4238291
Virtua Fighter Remix to be precise.

>>4238189
Goalpost moved successfully

>>4238294
It had no original software that defined the generation and instead of trying to prove the guy wrong you called anyone who disagreed with you underaged.

>>4238220
False. All the filthy casuals played on Nintendo consoles. Especially the Wii. The only reason the Saturn didn't do well in North America is because of the unnecessary add-ons(Sega CD, 32X), which made consumers angry at Sega, refusing to buy a Saturn at that point and the fact that the PS1 was cheaper and had a better game line up.

>>4238302
It had the ports, dummy. Not sure if you kids know what that means or not.

>>4238302
His argument would be if he was an Atari fanboy and in response to someone saying the 7800 had no generation defining original games would be pointing to its ports of Donkey Kong and Pac- Man.

>>4236058
Not at all, especially if you aren't burgerican.

>>4238309
Now I know you are a fanboy. Who the hell do you think bought all those copies of Madden, Mortal Kombat, Sonic, and Aladdin on the Genesis?

Not a super cool badass corporation worshipping ultra gamer like yourself, thats for sure.

>>4238312
It's not an argument. I grew up in a time when the arcade ports mattered. You clearly didn't.

>>4238323
People stopped caring about the arcades in mid 1990s in the West, which is a large reason why the Saturn bombed in the West, while it succeeded in Japan (where the arcades were much healthier).

>>4238329
>People stopped caring about the arcades in mid 1990s in the West
Don't think so kiddo. Nice attempt at history revisionism though.

>>4238320
False. I don't worship any corporation, I just speak the truth. My favorite consoles are the Sega Genesis & Sega Dreamcast. I own a SNES, N64 & Gamecube. I own a PS1, PS3 and PS4. I own a Xbox & Xbox 360. So which corporation am I loyal to? Also "Madden" are bought by casuals. You think I don't buy Sonic or Mortal Kombat? LOL You're wrong buddy, I own those too. In fact Sonic was the first game I beat on a Sega Genesis back in 1991.

Gamestop is selling 3D controllers for $24.99.
On ebay they are about $30 $60, it almost seems to good to be true.
Has anyone bought retro hardware from them? It says tested to work.

>>4238338
>using age-related insults instead of disproving anything.

The arcades in the West took a massive hit during the late 80s and early 90s.

>>4238338
Time Crisis came out in '95, the beginning of the mid 90s and one of the last big lightgun games. Shit was dead by '97, also classified as the mid 90s.

>>4238340
Its pretty fucking obvious you suck and love the flavor of Sega cock though.

Whereas the guy that got your diaper soiled simply thought the Saturn was the weaklink of its generation considering how he boosted both the PS1 and N64.

>>4238342
>>4238343
Look at you kids attempt to back pedal. The arcades died in the late 90s.

>last big lightgun games
Nope. See House of the Dead, Silent Scope, and Lost World for other big light gun arcades of that era.

>>4238350
>Nope. See House of the Dead, Silent Scope, and Lost World for other big light gun arcades of that era.

All of which sold less units and had abysmal home console sales, of the two that even made it home.

>>4238361
>All of which sold less units
Compared to? Because they all made money.

Light Gun games generally don't have very good consoles sales. Not sure what your point is here. Probably an attempt to switch the argument again.

name ten exclusive saturn games that is a minimum of 8/10 along with 10 posters agreeing with the list or get deported.

>>4238370
Haha le pepe is my favorite reddti maymay.

>>4238350
>kids

You will be leveling up soon.

>>4238370
Its sad when a pol shitposter actually improves this topic.

>>4238370
Mr. Bones.

>>4238370
Nights into Dreams
Shining Force 3
Panzer Dragoon Saga
Grandia (it was originally released for the Saturn)
Panzer Dragoon Zwei
Guardian Heroes
Legend of Oasis
Fighters Megamix
Radiant Silvergun
Dragonforce

Thats all I can think of that are at least a 8/10 and were original titles. I am sure someone knows of two more.

>>4238367
Piss poor lightgun/fighting game sales from that era prove consumer's lack of interest more than your unknown Chucky Cheese token revenue reports.

>>4238387
Looks like I hit 10. I thought I posted 8. Btw, I am the guy that made the post thart pissed off the Sega fanboy to begin with.

>>4238390
Ya kid. Because arcade success is measured by the sales of the port.

>>4238396
>Counter argument is "kid"

Really can't be bothered explaining why a level 30 wizard is wrong. :(

>>4238402
I can't have a discussion on equal terms when the other side is saying the dumb underage shit you're spewing. Like the no generation defining game on Saturn and now this arcade shit. Just stop

>>4238409
>Like the no generation defining game on Saturn

Wasn't me, wizzrobe. Looks like you haven't hit self-omnipotence, yet. There are multiple "kids" against you.

>>4238416
It's called a post chain on an anonymous board. This isn't a forum. Showing your age (lack of) more and more with each post.

>>4238348
False you retard. I was the one who brought up Sega's downfall with their Sega CD & 32X, which contributed to Saturn's failure in the U.S. Any loyal fanboy would have defended that. See unlike you, I speak the truth. Go back to /v/ sucking on Gabe Newell's dick you faggot.

>>4238423
Not sure why you continue to push my age as your main argument. Even if you have a point, it really invalidates your entire argument when you get something so basic as age wrong. Twice. Or try to use it in any way to strengthen your argument. As if ad hominem ever helps an argument. xD

>>4238423
>this is your brain on console wars
>can only repeat age insults despite tge people responding to him being at the very least his age or older
>mfw this ass destroyed a whole topic because he could not accept one guy's opinion

>>4238436
>>4238437
It's more that I don't and wont argue on the level that you kids want to. See your pepe shit and /v/ garbage. And I don't talk about shit I have no idea about. Also helps to be able to understand a postchain and I will continue post like that because it's how I have since forever. Even bbs forums work that way.

>>4238429
The only truth you speak is the obvious obnoxiousness, belligerence, condescension, and pompous elitism oozing from your posts.

There was more to the Saturn's failure than the add-ons, which obviously did not effect its performance in Japan.

>>4238443
>And I don't talk about shit I have no idea about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Read this slowly, and try your best to comprehend what's written. If you get stuck on a word, we're here to help.

>>4238443
>pepe

Have another.

>>4238453
When you make claims like the "Saturn had no generation defining games". there is no real argument to be had. As I said and I'm repeating myself. This is a problem with common core kids I've seen in the last few years, They like to go this route in arguing of saying something stupid and then yelling really loudly about something else. Like little girls. Or it just goes into memes.

So only one guy can managed to list Saturn games. Confirmed this console is shit.

>>4238154
saturnfags just can't accept the truth

Just got a Saturn from a friend.
Buying a Action replay to play imports, any affordable fun games I should get first?

>>4236121
Bleem came out in 1999. Same year as the Dreamcast.

How did Sega and Nintendo anticipate the Bleem lawsuit and design their older consoles years before?

>>4238749
Nights into Dreams
Sega Rally Championship
Fighters Megamix

>>4236058
>come to /vr/
>assume the locals would be above the same arguments that have been fought for 20 years
>be proven wrong

>>4238857
>summer
>come to /vr/
>assume the locals would be above what i was at the start of summer
>be called a loser fedora tipping wannabe
>wear the shoe because it fits

Should I get a Saturn when I move to Japan?

>>4238370
Bulk Slash

>>4239558
If you like arcade perfect ports, (mostly vertical shoot em ups) and some fighters

>>4240048
Might as well go to a real arcade.

And I thought Castlevania threads had a lot of shitposting.

Is there still no way to play backups on non discs ways? That dude still hasn't delivered.

>>4238387
Shining Force III is 3 games too.

>>4240093
Does Japan have a good amount of real arcades that aren't 99% pachinko?

>>4240783

They don't.

>>4240783
Every town that isn't some back woods village will have a game center or two. They are more likely to be filled with rhythm/racing/gundam/weird strategy and quiz games/fighting games than shooters and stuff, but most will have like one sitting around somewhere

Is there a best model to buy like in mega drive/genesis case?

>>4236058
It's the PC Engine of the 5th Gen.

>>4238067
saturn was better than the 64.

>>4238163
how old are you?
i had (and still have) a saturn

>>4236058
op.... after reading this entire thread ive decided that the majority of the posters couldnt get laid in a whore house if they had a handful of 100$ bills

>>4240874
The 1st model is easier to do the disc swap trick with, but the 2nd model is easier to install a mod chip in.

>>4240921
>The 1st model is easier to do the disc swap trick with

Not correct. The disc swap is equally easy to do on both.

>but the 2nd model is easier to install a mod chip in.

Also not correct, if anything it is more difficult since you have 3-4 jumpers to configure for the 6 or so different drives. In model 1s you just pop the chip in.

>>4240921
I meant image and sound quality

I bidded on a untested Saturn. Someone quick and overbid me now.

Is Initial D for Saturn any good?

>>4241149
Not really, the draw distance is awful and the controls are a little iffy, even on a wheel.

>>4240884
>calling it 5th gen
>not calling it the 32-bit era
underageb&

>>4240889
Terrible bait, at least put some effort into it.

>>4241039
Enjoy the best 2D games of that era.

Sega Saturn and PlayStation One are honestly some of the worst consoles of all time. If you honestly believe they even hold a candlestick to the N64 then you should commit suicide immediately.

>>4241232
>32 but era begins in 93 with FM Towns Marty
>immediately ends later that same year with the launch of the "64 bit" Atari Jaguar
>>4241259
How about this then? >>4241276

>>4240783
Yes.
https://www19.atwiki.jp/karishooterwiki/

>>4236058
what is that cartidge slot in the back, did the Saturn play megadrive games?

>>4241957
No it was a expansion , memory, and action replay slot...

>>4241276
N64 failed worldwide, except for the USA.
Saturn failed worldwide, except for Japan, and maybe the UK for a year.
Playstation was a gigantic success worldwide everywhere.

Good console, deserved more titles

>>4241979
kek saturn was just as (un)poplar in japan as 64

>>4242321
>kek saturn was just as (un)poplar in japan as 64

In japan it was the best selling console in 1998 iirc.

>>4242568
>resorting to cherry picked years
>raughing.jpg
The PlayStation sold nearly 4 times as much total in Japan.

>>4242592
Over a lifespan that was more than twice as long. Regardless, the Saturn sold well in Japan from 1994-1998 and certainly performed better than the N64 in its home territory.

>>4242609
>and certainly performed better than the N64 in its home territory.
True but not as much as people on here would have you believe.

Saturn outsold N64 in Japan by 0.5 mil. That's it.

>>4243731
N64 sold more software in japan anyway

>>4243757
Huh, really? That's interesting.

>>4242568
Stop spreading lies. Saturn had two good years 95 and 96 and was never the top selling console on any year. In 98 it was definatly outsold by n64

are these saturn component cables legit? made in japan.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SEGA-SATURN-Component-Ypbpr-video-stereo-RCA-cable-/192295880795?hash=item2cc5ba485b:g:1PoAAOSwWWxY-YiK

can't really see a huge difference between s-video but fuck, i can get it now versus waiting a year for hdretrovision to make a new batch.

>>4243731
Which is still a huge deal considering how completely unassailable Nintendo was during the third and fourth gens.

>>4243795
A world exists outside America, you know.

>>4245164
>A world exists outside America, you know.
Not one that matters.

>>4244287
Then it's an even bigger deal how hard the Saturn lost to the 64 in the west considering Sega won in those markets the previous generation.

>>4245201

Saturn didn't have the Sanic and sports games that made the Genesis so successful.

>>4245204
And the 64 had terrible 3rd party support even compared to the Saturn.

yeah it had shitty games. not one even worth playing at all. its basically one giant steaming pile of shit, especially the gay huge circular controller.

When the hell was this console ever overrated? I never heard anyone talk about this console back in the day and barely today,

>>4247272
It has gained a lot of traction in retro communities in the last few years. Personally i chalk this up to the fact that most people didnt own one as a kid/didnt have access to the japanese library, so there is a bit if a honeymoon period while people try all these new titles.

In a few years when the novelty has worn off people will talk about it way less.

saturn sold pretty well and if for the eroge games alone.
Doesnt matter really. Did anon ever notice how fun-and-quality as a benchmark of how great a game is, has been replaced by sold units, by the likes of sony and co? They made their crusade for money yours and you didnt even notice.

>>4236182
Poor in 3d you meant.

>>4236182
>Sega obviously didn't consider the complete dominance 3D would have on the market.

They considered it, and the machine was okay at 3d. What they didn't expect was Sony releasing a console that was four times better at it.

>>4247397
Sega seemed to be betting on really, really good-looking sprite-based graphics being the direction the home market was heading. Good-looking 3D, perspective-correct and filtered, was still insanely expensive (Model 2 cabinets were $10,000). They were definitely caught off guard by Sony's machine being able to achieve acceptable results with super-fast but kind of shitty looking 3D.

>>4238341
wouldn't trust them after all the repros and swap out game boards issues.

>>4236058
>>4236062
This

The word has lost all its meaning with 4chan because for some reason people on this site do not understand that something overrated could still be good. They also don't even truly understand when to use the word.

Saturn isn't overrated. It didn't even sell as much as it should have. A better way of looking at the Saturn is it could have been so much better. So disappointment is the more appropriate way of discussing it. Not saying it is overrated.

>>4236058
Sega consoles are like the PS4. I just want to get it to play japanese shit because gaben is too ashamed to put panty super soaker battle on steam.

>>4247764
>gaben is too ashamed to put panty super soaker battle on steam
Not anymore.

>mfw saturn controllers costing more than games

>>4247963
Makes sense to me, you can't burn a controller onto a cd-r.

>>4236121
In segas case no, they believed that 3d was to far in infancy to bother with and essentially developed a 2d power house but then realized sony was going with 3d and tried to rush capabilities in very late into development, the reason saturn has the sh2s for example was arcade devs had already worked with it a ton but 3rd parties had no idea how to dev for it. It was just a misread and over estimation of consumer intelligence on segas part as they were right 3d was abysmal at that point.

>>4238126
Not exactly, virtua fighter is incredibly complex and very hard to get to competent levels unlike tekken which managed a balance of good play and letting the button mashers have fun also. Virtua fighter 5 required a ton of practice to get anywhere..

>>4245167
Nice murrican reaction pic you got there, Chet

>>4236058
wasnt overrated. SEGA always happened to release their next gen consoles before the other companies and next gen consoles are always a big deal.

SEGA consoles were like what you got if you were too late in the current gens life cycle but too early for the next gen.

>you got a genesis if you never had an NES and didnt want to wait for SNES
>you got saturn if you never had an SNES and didnt want to wait for PS/N64
>you got a dreamcast if you didnt have a PS/N64 and you didnt want to wait for PS2/XB/GC

i wish SEGA would come back to the home console market. they still make pretty fun arcade games.

>>4248096
The fuck that has to do with popularity. What he said is completely right, people stopped caring after VF3.

>>4247432
Sega hedged their bets. They absolutely expected to do polygon games on Saturn (like, always), but they never expected the market to absolutely just drop 2D games like a hot potato, and designed their hardware accordingly.
It's 2D hardware that was also built to put some 3D on screen.
It's design is adapted from 2D hardware that made "3D" worlds (eg, Sega's Super Scaler boards, like the Out Run hardware, X-board, Y-board, System 32), and VDP1 is still designed similarly (in particular, quads are just stretched sprites instead of using UV mapping).

And hell, it gets relatively okay 3D performance for 1994... assuming the PS1 doesn't exist.
Sony caught the whole fucking industry with their pants down with the PS1's video performance, which was ridiculous for 1994.

>>4248298
just found out Nintendo originally commissioned Sony to make a CD drive for them but Nintendo scrapped the project which is why Sony just converted it to their own project.

pretty much the reason why a lot of the 3rd party developers that were present for the SNES days started making Sony games while Nintendo got next to nothing.

>>4248096
Casuals have a hard time with Virtua Fighter 2 & 5. I've beaten them both with no problem.

All Sega consoles after Genesis are overrated trash

>>4249429
Filthy casual detected

>>4249437
Underage hipster detected

>>4249248
I remember trying to play one of the VF games on Saturn and there were like 20 different moves and combos for every character.
I couldn't figure out shit while my friend was throwing me in the air as the Ninja guy and then grabbing me in the air with another flip attack to slam me to the ground.

>the saturn was awesome
>the saturn sucks
>lists three games, two of them that came with the system

How the fuck are you going to judge a system that you didn't even play anything on?

The Saturn had some awesome games: Shinging the Holy Arc, Mystaria, Panzar Dragoon/Saga, Clockwork Knight 1/2, Soviet Strike, Dark Savior, Deep Fear, Mansion of the Hidden Souls port, Lunacy, Command and Conquer, Black/Matrix, Legend of Oasis, Shining Force 3, Rise of the Robots 2, Solar Eclipse, and plenty of more pretty awesome games. Not to mention the really cool arcade ports like D&D Collection for example that were mostly only JP releases. The main down point of the Saturn was that a large part of it's library was never localized in the US or EU areas so most of the games remained JP exclusives which is a shame because there are some really great ones.

>>4238387
Toppest of tastes

>>4238123
And Virtua Cop.

Hell even Goldeneye was inspired by Virtua Cop.

>>4236058
I know it costs almost twice as much as a fucking Xbox 360, so maybe.

>>4236058
It's a bad console with a handful of amazing games.

>>4238341
I have boughten some dreamcast games and 1 controller. All smiles here.

Question: My saturn's light turns on, but nothing else, no menu,disc spin or sensor movement... any one have an idea what happened?

Has anyone gotten Pseudo Saturn to work on one of these?
I am following the steps and get to the menu from disc swapping.

It doesn't see my flash cart Vendor or Device ID. I can erase and try to install the flasher but it fails at the end giving me a Write Verification Failure.
I am using "pskai_sdm_flasher.iso", but the file I downloaded also came with "pskai_alternate_flasher.iso".

There is also a bunch of other files like cdpatch.exe and flasher.bin, but I have no idea what those do.

Did I miss a step or is this cart not working with the flasher?

>>4253216
Screenshot. Was trying to install the original Action Replay firmware this time but it failed and gave me the same error.

>>4238131
those were arcade ports you useless fuck

Death Tank Zwei actually has the best local multiplayer game of all time for 4+ people (other than maybe Saturn Bomberman). I've played these 2 a lot with 5 - 6 other people for these past few years. Those 2 games for local multiplayer and all of its known and less-known great games really make the console not overrated; it's great.

>>4254203
It really picks up when you start buying air strikes and other power ups.
Nothing beats flying over to someone and machine gunning them to death while they are still trying to slowly aim their default cannon to find where you are.

>>4253235
The Saturns cartridge port is very awkward. I kept getting these messages too. With the system turned off, put the cartridge in, then lift the left side of the cartridge up slightly . The Saturn doesn't seem to like the AR carts being fully inserted.

But to be honest, pseudo saturn brings up more issues, you need a specific make of CD-R for the Saturn (had best results with Maxell discs). Then my saturn would make these really loud noises whilst reading CD-R's, music in-game my stutter or stop completely, and cause the console to lock up. Shame really. I just use the AR for saves now.

>>4254243
Missiles and jump jets are quintessential. Missiles are kinda hard to control at first but you can kill steal from across the map, and jump jet allows you to get away from danger or be offensive. Nuke can be good for kill stealing or for multikills if they're close together, but I find missiles more valuable since you get multiple per purchase and are in more control than nukes. When you get a lot of money you can start buying hover coils to fly directly above somebody and shoot MIRVs straight up so it'll land straight down on the opponent and be an instant kill. And killing first place gives you more points, so the whole game is pretty balanced. And MIRVs are also great for grabbing the power-ups and weapon power-ups embedded in the map. Those weapon power-ups are seriously nuts. But aside from those 2 uses Mirvs aren't that useful at all. Shields can be a life saver but is kinda expensive, but lasts throughout multiple rounds until it's all used up. And I think Death's head is way better and more reliable than an air strike and can pay for itself a lot of times. Corbomite can possibly get you a free kill if you die. Target comp can be useful; it's basically an aimbot, but kinda expensive and not exactly worth if if you're good at aiming; but can be used to guarantee you land a nuke. Rolling mines are expensive but very easy to hit someone with. The game has so much depth; it's extremely underrated.

Anyone here ever play Ninpen Manmaru? It's a 3D platformer for the Saturn, and apparently a licensed game. There's a cheap copy floating around right now, so I wonder if it's worth investigating. There aren't many 3d platformers on the Saturn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JCy7zThSG0

>>4254268
I think i got it working. Even though it says failed.
Though now I can't it as a ram cart?
I tried to play some games it would not let me choose it for saves.

>>4255353
Reminds me of Sonic World.

>>4255353
the game's decent enough with some pretty dumb flaws
graphics are relatively solid for the machine
controls are mildly ass, but it's not hard to adjust and you usually won't complain about them, except when the game flips the camera around for no apparent reason rarely
the game eventually just becomes annoyingly tricky 3D platforming by the end of the second level and doesn't really let up with that
there's also a kind of weird-ass triple jump that you need to do later on
tilting the camera all the time sucks
for no good reason, you take damage when running into walls (this is negated if you jump)

>>4255376
The custom firmware overwrites the save area.

You can still use the RAM expansion capability though.

Is the laser prone to die as easy like the PS ones?

>>4255701
No, they're far higher quality

>>4255601
>graphics are relatively solid for the machine
one thing that does impress me about Ninpen Manmaru is its pretty good framerate and graphics.

It's retardedly expensive these days - in that there are a lot of stupidly expensive listings that never sell -, but if you can find a dirt cheap copy I would say it's worth it.

>>4255623
Well that sucks. The default Saturn memory only has like 500 blocks and 1 Dragon Force save takes 384.
Is it possible to buy two carts and just swap them?

>>4236058
I've never seen or even heard anyone talk about this console in Australia. I only found out about it in the mid 2000s, purely through the internet. Even on the internet, I barely see it mentioned.
Surely this can't be considered an over rated console.

>>4254289
lol this list includes bug.

>>4236058
No one really hypes it up though.

>>4255353
Looks neat. Reminds me of Jumping Flash on PS1 a bit.

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>>4245167
Yup he's here alright. Classic.