/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT EVENTS ===

300 MINUTES OF /vr/
-Speedmapping project managed by 300manager !Os4LYDp5eQ
-Extended until 30 or 32 maps are made
-Original rules can be found here
->>/vr/thread/4172380#p4173453

QUMP
-May be released within the next two weeks
-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp_ZqCZPJKk

HUMP
-Project is underway
-All rules found here
-https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=57649&p=1014985#p1014985

OP
-Looking to update the OP, suggestions are welcome

=== NEWS ===

[8-29] Juvenile Power Fantasy v1 release
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=57092

[8-25] Lithium v1.5 released after 9000 years
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=1015558#p1015558

[8-24] Quake Champions: Doom Edition (QCDE) Teaser (DBThanatos)
https://youtu.be/oskVB0BHc3I

[8-23] Doomskater v1 released; removes friction
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=57659

[8-22] Intermission E2M8, featuring Alfonzo and MTrop
https://youtu.be/VCgmx80QoPY

[8-22] Anon shares a level
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/4202793/#4206613

[8-22] Doomguy to get Classic, Q3, and D3 armors in Quake Champions

[8-22] D4D put on hiatus
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=54843&start=540#p1015023

[8-21] Realm of Suffering updated
-http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=81599347127484224044
-https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/4202793/#4204581

[8-20] SM179 for Quake released; Wizard-themed speedmaps
http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61502

[8-20] Anon release; gun sounds with him saying 'shoot'
http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=19170807141829390137

[8-19] New Doom II world record (18:48) made possible with recently discovered trick
https://youtu.be/J0hh-6eGHOs
https://youtu.be/UOpAhbTv5LU

=== PREVIOUS ===

http://pastebin.com/PZDkqABT

=== PROTIP ===

Would you like to submit any news, personal releases, or other contributions? Just reply/backlink to this post with a link.

>>4225895
I do wonder why there aren't any throwable grenades in SS2's Campaign? Why no Gas grenade, Fragmentation grenade, nor EMP Grenade like in SS1?

>>4225917
SS2 wasn't even a System Shock game for most of its development.

>>4225873
It looks good! I consider fix3 to be complete version of Perfect Faggot. Thanks for taking the time to do that.

>>4225895
i love that picture

>>4225920
Oh really?

Sooo hows 300 minutes of vr doing ? Haven't seen many submissions in a while

>>4225930
thanks, just got to make sure 300manager sees it now.

>>4223642
http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=88605416916156545620

>>4225943
not 300manager but this is what i have. 28 maps. still unordered, i still have a load to test.

01 - 300minsconceptign.wad - - SARAIS
02 - crashsite.wad - CRASH SITE - HEXENMAPPER
03 - 300vr_anon.wad - -
04 - Bay54.wad - BAY 54 - RED
05 - GravelandFix2.wad - GRAVELAND - AXEBEARD
06 - bre_300vr_a.wad - SUPREME WEBBED COURT - BREEZEEP
07 - MtHeck.wad - MT. HECK - SKELLY
08 - s_n_codeine.wad - SATURDAY NIGHT CODEINE - TERMINUSEST13
09 - BlueSanctuary.wad - BLUE SANCTUARY - HEBRIDEAN ISLE
10 - PerfectFaggotFix3.wad - PERFECT FAGGOT - FAGGOT
11 - syndicate.wad - SYNDICATE - ROLO
12 - toomb.wad - TOOMB - HEXENMAPPER
13 - 300min-amok.wad - COLLIDER - AMOK
14 - faggotbeneath.wad - FAGGOT BENEATH - FAGGOT
15 - BFeud.wad - BLOOD FEUD - PERMUBAND
16 - donutcurse300vr.wad - CURSE OF THE DONUTS - TURRET49
17 - MoonlitHarbor.wad - MOONLIT HARBOR - A2ROB
18 - SubterraneanHideout.wad - SUBTERRANEAN HIDEOUT - 300 MANAGER
19 - Labradoodle.wad - TOP SECRET LABRADOODLE - REVAE
20 - TFOASP_300.wad - THY FLESH ON A PLATTER -
21 - ThePunchDimension.wad - THE PUNCH DIMENSION - DOGMAN
22 - 300minutev13.wad - PURGATORI - CHARCOLA
23 - the_park.wad - WELCOME TO THE PARK - RJY
24 - WarehouseCleaning.wad - WAREHOUSE CLEANING -
25 - IconOfShame.wad - ICON OF SHAME - 300 MANAGER
26 - bre_300vr2.wad - THE ROOM OUT OF SHAPE - BREEZEEP
27 - 300mvrmap-2.wad - ULTRA-PROGRESSIVE WORLD - TERMINUSEST13
28 - 300min-amok-goslowly.wad - GO SLOWLY - AMOK

>>4225941
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Shock_2#Development
that took all of five seconds

>>4225951
lol btfo

>>4225949
You should note which map takes spot 09 and 30.
I could guess IconOfShame for 30, but I've got no clue if a map already uses special tags from map09.

>>4225967
indeed, i am aware of the following

>25 - IconOfShame.wad - ICON OF SHAME - 300 MANAGER
this is map 30

>26 - bre_300vr2.wad - THE ROOM OUT OF SHAPE - BREEZEEP
>27 - 300mvrmap-2.wad - ULTRA-PROGRESSIVE WORLD - TERMINUSEST13
these both have secret exits so need to be maps 15 and 31

>07 - MtHeck.wad - MT. HECK - SKELLY
this one the author wants a hellish sky. i'm not sure if 300manager has decided on sky textures yet.

as for map07 (i think you mean, not map09!) nobody's used the sector specials yet. maybe it would be nice to keep it that way for once, and avoid "oh another dead simple clone" syndrome..?

Is it acceptable in HUMP to have all switches be shooting CHAINMAN texture in the dick?

Can I have dick waterfalls?

Can I put dicks in the map?

>>4222928
Just to spite you :^) but also for convenient refrence
>>4197790
>>4199178

>>4225949
Warehouse Cleaning anon here. I'll probably pull another map together tomorrow if it helps to get the ball rolling again on finishing this thing.

Maybe I'll actually release it under my usual alias, but I dunno if I want to put my name on a set along with a dude named Faggot,
ya know?

>>4226035
>ya know?
I don't, no. Why would it matter?

>>4226035
i think there's a reasonable difference between submitting a project under the name niggerhitler420 and somehow happening to be in the same room as the guy

But okay.

Still keeping them for convenient reference though.

>>4197790
>>4199178

>>4226039
Cause I think it's dumb to have a slur as your name, is all. >>4226040 is probably right though, it's not really a big deal if I post my usual name one way or another for this.

which monster did this come from?

>>4226035
Seems like you might just be a faggot too, only afraid to admit it.

>>4226051
>slur
But it's not? It's a meatball.

>>4226051

I agree that it's dumb to choose an intentionally-provoking name and then act surprised when people say it might not be good, but I don't think it should affect how you carry your own contributions.

>>4226035
I doubt that it would be a problem if your alias isn't connected to your real identity.
People seeing it will just think of this general and that it's just a chan thingy.

>>4226053
argh i've played that but i can't name it. combat shock?

>>4226051
keep in mind that dump 2 and 3 had maps by The Gay Agenda, which is quite a politically-charged phrase
they were good maps and were received well by the community

>>4226048
most computer users would have copied them into a text file and saved it to desktop by now. not you though. you're not like the other mundanes. you're different. you're special.

>>4226064
>then act surprised when people say it might not be good
I don't act surprised, I just insist that I still be called it.

It's just what my mom called me. I didn't pick the name.

>>4226085
pull the other one mate, it's got bells on

Who /dumb/ here?

>>4226097
i don't get it, what's so dumb? that you took 9 minutes to finish the map? big deal

>>4226112
I see the par time and it makes me feel stupid

You can stop, on-topic posts are not off-topic.

>>4197790 →
>>4199178 →

how about that Demons of Problematique?

>>4226114

Romero's par times are insane.

>>4226114
oh i see. well the par times were made by good player who knows the maps, running through them to the exit (not getting 100% kills) on HMP skill, then rounding up to the next 30 seconds.

>>4226094
what do you think my mom called me?

>>4226114
oh i see. well the par times were made by good player who knows the maps, running through them to the exit (not getting 100% kills) on HMP skill, then rounding up to the next 30 seconds.

they're more to give you something to strive for, than a result you should be getting on your first or second try.

>>4226118
quite.

>>4226119
What is the point of par times anyway? Most people into speedruns are more interested in getting 100% kills as fast as possible, The par times here don't allow for it, and consider a lower difficulty too.

>>4226125
Your birth certificate does in no way say "FAGGOT"

>>4226127
>Most people into speedruns are more interested in getting 100% kills as fast as possible
in Doom, speedruns are to exit the map as fast as possible, and maxruns exit the map with 100%kills/secrets as fast as possible.

>There are some qualities—some incorporate things,
>That have a double life, which thus is made
>A type of that twin entity which springs
>From matter and light, evinced in solid and shade.

>>4226114
PAR Times are for speedrunning, and really only that, aiming for meeting or beating the PAR time you will skip exploring and looking for secrets, you skip your other score, it's not how most people would play the game most of the time.
I personally prefer to take my time exploring and fighting methodically, and searching for secrets and gathering supplies.

Romero (I think he did all of them) would set the PAR times for the maps by taking the absolutely quickest route he could from start to finish, then they'd take that time and round it up to five seconds or so. Romero was involved with the maps as they were being designed, and made a fair few of them, so being the dev, he'd already be fully familiar with most of the maps and know exactly what path to take.

The context literally doesn't matter and it will be deleted regardless.
>>4197790
>>4199178


Echelon is a lovely mapset. Aside from this and Ancient Aliens, which mapsets have the best artstyle? Mechadon's upcoming project seems to be interesting.

Echelon's skyboxes seem to tell a story in of itself, but what it is, I can't seem to figure out.

>>4226130
I didn't say my birth certificate said FAGGOT, just that it's what my mom called me.

>>4226139
That map looks pretty. Could need some hills, rocks and trees to decorate that flat lawn though.

>>4226136
now this is mapping

>>4226136
Peeing after nutting vs. with morning wood

>>4226136
a m a z i n g

>>4226136
lol and Graf Zahl says the Heretic textures are too limited to do any good.

Do most people here do pistol starts?
I don't, but I hear some people cound that as cheating somehow.

>>4226137
>>4226118
>>4226126
o-oh

>>4226160
>Do most people here do pistol starts?
i do. i don't think everyone does. if i had to guess i'd say it's about equal parts do and don't. but i really have no idea.
>I don't, but I hear some people cound that as cheating somehow.
it's not cheating but it can be unbalancing. many maps are designed to be pistol-started and bringing weapons/resources from previous maps results in the map being too easy. this is a common problem in community projects where each map was made by an individual working independently from the rest.

>>4226160
I normally do pistol starts UV cause of autism

Continuous if im replaying something or want a more relaxed experienced but honestly if a WAD is too hard I'd rather bump down difficulty than stop doing pistol start cause its fun.

>>4226072
oh, ok thanks

>>4226192
no i meant the map. i've no idea where the monster is from, sorry.

>>4225902

Colourful Hell updated to 0.91

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=47980&start=465#p1016169

>>4226136

>>4226136
>>4226218
Cacoward detected.

>>4226218
fucking lol mate

whut

>>4225895
that is an excellent image

>Juvenile Power Fantasy
>start getting reamed as soon as I come across an enemy

I feel like I'm missing something.

>>4225895
is there a reverse version of that where he's smiling at the top and then bloody or pissed off at the bottom?

>>4226259
it's not your power fantasy

top secret labradoodle (300min)
---

super nice! varied environment of industrial areas, caves, and slimy tunnels, blended together into a nonlinear yet unconfusing layout. if this is the kind of thing to expect from REKKR then we are really in for a treat.

i can't see much that needs fixing here. a few minor texture misalignments only visible if you're looking for them. it might be worth splitting lines 73 and 74 (the back of the lift north of the start) just to have thin strips of DOORTRAK at the edges instead of a block tile all the way across, but I'm being nitpicky.

you can bump the backpack and get it early without having to go the presumably intended route through the window by the red key, but you still have to go through the window to touch sector 12 and get credit. also maybe the the left-side chaingunner platform (sector 122) shouldn't be a secret, even though you can lower it there's nothing up there besides a dropped chaingun. plus, it's just a lift, the other two secrets are far more "elegant".

demo:
http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=53518346951250123383

>>4226265
here you go

>>4226270

>>4226259
>Real Guns Advanced 2
>guns are not actually real or advanced

I feel like I'm missing something.

>>4226272
No, you fucking moron, you've got to turn it FLOPFLIP

>>4226259
I always took it as a dig at Brutal Doom.

>>4226282
>Go Medieval On Their Ass
>at no point does protagonist ever do anal

I feel like I'm missing something.

>>4226259
>Doom roguelike arsenal
>It's a roguelike arsenal
I feel like I-
Oh. Uh, Um.
Hm.

>>4226259
I really don't get that mod, it's like if BURL TUMD had a retard baby with RGA and it was made by Kinsie and only included the worst bits of both.

>>4225949
Rolo here, I have a second map mostly finished, just needs some monster placements and tweaks.I had to disappear for a few days

>>4226285
>Smooth Doom
>Doesn't feature the ability to seduce Demons
Yep, really missing something on this one.

>>4225993
It's a map set started via 4chan. Pretty sure huge cocks are expected.

I just started playing Thief.
Can anyone tell me what a "Taffer" is?

>>4226218
>post in community mapping project just to shit on it
Seriously, why even bother to comment like that?

>>4226305
trickster

>>4226305
For Grud's sake, try guessing from context you smeghead.

>>4226305
It's never officially defined and only exists as a real word through various iterations of slang, but commonly-accepted definition is "trickster".

>>4226272
you fucking retarded faggot

>>4226321
rude

>>4226305
made up slang for a lowlife/criminal

>>4226321
did you mean you wanted it inverted?

>>4226336
ffs

>>4226297
cool mate look forward to it. re: spoiler, don't worry, 300manager hasn't posted since Sunday, either >>4219128

>>4226305
We have a thread for Thief here, you taffing taffer. >>4162227

>>4226336
Maybe he wants it sepia?

>>4226272
My sides.

Quarity moddo

>>4226339
you're not giving me much to work with here

>>4226349
no he made it clear he wants one on top of the other, sideways is definitely not what he asked for

>>4226382
>Dreamscape starts playing

>>4226382
DEJA VU
I'VE JUST BEEN IN THIS PLACE BEFORE

>>4226382
>>4226358
I beg your pardon?

>>4226401
What the hell have you done!?

>>4226358
>>4226382
>>4226401
Are we working towards a "Call on Me" webm? Need moar edits.

>>4226404
I AM SATAN

>>4226404
looks like -edge 10 -posterize 2 or thereabouts

>permaban everyone that hasn't posted to the ZDoom Forums within a month
What did the moderation mean by this?

Hey Kins, if you're here I decided to give JPF a shot in order to try it out, and I'm gonna be completely honest:

Not really a fan.

The idea is for speed above all else, right? You move fast, the guns are fast, stuff dies quickly, and I'm really not feeling the whole "stuff dies quickly" part.
One of the big appeals of things like Hotline Miami and Arma and things like that is that enemies only take a couple hits, which puts you on a relatively even playing field. Encounters are all dangerous, but you're just as dangerous to them. Hotline Miami has the additional benefit of being able to see things ahead of time so you can plan your strategy out, but Doom mapping based around that is bad. Here, their health values seem to be relatively unchanged and the player's gun's bullets seem to do the standard 10-ish damage per tracer. Even the RPG has the bog-standard 20-damage-on-hit with 128/128 damage.
The player is vulnerable, but enemies really aren't. There's more ways to dispatch them, yeah, but they're not really going down much faster.

I'm not expecting the player to be able to suddenly become a massive death machine like in Pillowblaster mods, able to mow down hordes with just the power of his (or her) cock alone, but I think it'd be good to experiment with weapon damage values or enemy health. I've been having much more fun with enemy health values at 0.75 or 0.5.
Also melee feels sticky as hell.
Also also you really should have someone do a once-over of the sprites and make them less modelrip.

>>4226408
love that lovecraftian filename

>>4226415
[citation really fucking needed]

>>4226419
Oh fuck my sides

>>4226358
i decided to try the techniques bloax-senpai taught me long ago and emulate his Style

>>4226425
I can't tell a difference, it's like he's really here with us!

>>4226425
amazing

With the existence of HND's whip and boomerang, does that mean it should be less hard to replicate a Gravity Gun in Doom?

>>4226419
>>4226416

>>4226430

With the existence of GMOTA's sword and Scythe 2's maps, a Gravity Gun's been doable in Doom for a while. It's mostly a matter of getting an actor to refer to the player as a pointer somehow (there's lots of different methods) and then constantly call an A_Warp on the actor so that it's constantly hovering in front of them.

why does the heretic sky cutoff with a blue bar below a certain point?

>>4226430

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B3wV4QA6-qA2fl93d25ZeF85ZmFYejhycGFsNG10MTJpejgwejVsSER2d0dhVzRLM0IyUFk&usp=sharing
It's been doable for a while.
ZScript should make it much easier, mind, since you can manipulate pointers remotely, but it's been doable even all the way back in 2005 when Linguica made a Gravity Gun mod with dehacked.

I've been building a self-contained, portable DOOM WAD collection (presented as a '90s diskzine) to make the whole mess of engines / WADs / configuration more accessible. I've put together a complete Cacowards 2015 package, if you'd like to give it a whirl, here: https://spideroak.com/browse/share/Kroc/PortaDOOM/releases/ [310 MB]

>>4226425
fuck off Bloax-oh.

shit edit

>>4226425
Why do we hate Bloax again? The guy never posts here anyways.

>>4226417
>>4226415

ok im done

>>4226432

>>4226463
>We

i just hate his sprite style

>>4226474
I do too, largely.

The color ranges are odd and the shading is...
I don't know how to describe it, I've seen him draw a Doomguy arm and it looks glossy, lumpy and pinkish.

>>4226463
I don't know anything about him personally. I've heard people say he's swell, I've also heard people say he's an utter cock.
I do hate how his shading looks like he smeared lubricant all over everything and then put it under purple lighting.

>>4226470
???

>>4226495
that's me, every fucking day.

women's bathroom

>>4226502
You and I both.

>>4226505

>>4226414
Agreed w/ all these points
I'd play the shit out of JPF if these things were changed

>>4226301
>High Noon Drifter
>No car drifting while on drugs at 12:00 PM
I feel like I'm missing something.

>>4226529
>Accessories To Murder
>it has accessories that can be used to conduct murder
I was satisfied.

Which old FPS or mod lets me play as a girl

>>4226414
Kinsie really does just need to play BURL TUMD, because JPF tried to do a lot of what that mod did but fails to do it better.

>>4226532
a lot
you have to be MUCH more specific because, seriously, there's a lot

>>4226532
wwhc_diaz

>>4226296
>>4226414
>>4226536
All I have to say about JPF is..
Well, it's juvenile all right.

>>4226532
Unreal.

I really want to play SS1 with sound(Its the floppy disk version FYI). I tried dragging the sshock file to the DOSBOX icon on my desktop interface; no sound. ThenI tried my hand at configuring the sound FX along with the music with SB Pro 16 and Adlib, respectively. Also selected the "create a boot disk" option and while the error message popped up after I press a key after the insert a blank disk message, it ended up giving me a boot disk detected message anyway. No matter how I input the install from path, it won't save when I select Exit and Save setup. Instead it keeps saying that it can't save the configuration because the game hasn't been installed yet. Help please?

>>4226530
>Guncaster
>Does not involve casting guns with molten metal
Smh desu senpai

Why does my prboom load pic related when I try to play ultimate doom? Happens on 2.5.0 and prboom+ 2.5.4.1

It tries to play plutonia by default for some reason

Anyone can tell me why this is happening? Works in prboom+

I raised the sector to make it more obvious.

>>4226582
google tutti frutti, I think its cause of something not being a multiple of 64

>>4226532
no one lives forever

>>4226550
>MetaDoom
>It brings other Doom games into Doom, but not the actual 1993 into itself

>>4226582
try unsetting the lower unpegging flag and realigning. i think that's what i've done in the past when faced with stair steps with tutti fruitti on the lower textures.

alternatively if the lower unpegging flag is not set, then set it, and realign. :)

>>4226586
right, it's because vanilla doesn't tile textures properly unless they are height 128.

>>4226586

Thanks. I read up on that on the doomwiki but none of the conditions seem to be why mine is happening. It fixed itself when I changed the upper texture on the other side though.

>>4226613
>It fixed itself when I changed the upper texture on the other side though.
hmm weird, i can't explain that

blood feud (300min)
---

fun map with clear plutonia influence (esp map18, neurosphere). not too hard outside of some nasty traps. fortunately for cowards, i think the end bosses are skippable. :)

i like the little indent into the wall above the foot of the southeast stairs. it doesn't do anything, just a nice bit of scenery that makes the place seem more solid.

the secrets are cool. the lava switch maze i can see annoying people but it's not overly long or miserly with health. (also you can bypass it completely by pressing the switch from below, which i didn't realise while recording.)

the rocket launcher on display at the start was a nice touch too. it is unfortunate that its platform lowers the whole way down to the level of the surrounding blood, but does not submerge (i.e. change flat). i know there is no S1 lower and change in vanilla - you need Boom for that - but perhaps there is a way to have it lower, but stop before it reaches the liquid surface. again having Boom's S1 lower to next lowest is desirable. however it is a minor point.

as for recording, my first attempt ended in death very near the end so you get the pleasure of a 21-minute long demo (and very sped up webm) where on second go i blow through most of the map because i know what's coming, then go into super paranoid mode to finish.

demo (one death, final 8:17, total 21:12)
http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=68693500463033726349

>>4226638

>>4226640

>>4226625
OK, I take that back, it's not the change in texture, it's making the lower front unpegged.

Here is a stripped version of my level; linedef is the one highlighted in pic.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lnowdy9zoz98mht/E1M1.wad?dl=0

It's not currently pegged, so you shouldn't see the TF. Try pegging it and see if you get it.

>>4226414
At least the monster sounds are funny

>>4226648
>>4226625

I just realised that I was reading your post the wrong way. Thought you meant not unpegged causes it. It's 1AM, think i need to go sleep

Well that wasn't intentional

>>4226658
sorry my post was confusing. i said basically "toggle the lower unpegging flag and see if that fixes it", but in a stupidly roundabout way. anyway, you got it fixed eventually which is the main thing.

>>4226430
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SceAIDtzT0s

Revisionist Tim Willits BTFO. http://rome.ro/news/2017/8/30/multiplayer-only-maps

>>4226690
But did Tim Willits personally claim that or is it just PC Gamer's shitty journalism?

Whens 300

>>4226690
laffo. put that in the news post please >>4225902

>>4226696
it's marketing managing to fool lazy journalists, i expect. it will appeal to the market to paint nu-id lead designer Willits as the inventor of multiplayer maps. you can imagine the 13 year olds arguing in school over which is better, overwatch or quakechampions, and the latter side can use that little "factoid" as ammunition. even though it's fake, they'll believe it.

>>4226697
after 299

>>4226690
>As a final note, I remain incredibly proud of our work at id Software and on Quake. It was a challenging project with challenging technology and this resulted in design changes, not uncommon in bleeding-edge game development. At no time was there “no design direction.” In discussing this article last night with Adrian, American, Shawn and others, and reviewing my own complete archive and design notes, Quake didn’t happen by accident. It happened by design.
Yes and no, Quake was originally going to be a fantasy RPG and this was scrapped from Romero's newfound allergy to doing his job (he pushed for this concept but did little to follow through with it).

Now, if there was direction after Quake was retooled into a shooter, then that's another thing.
Quake has this kind of unique quality of a vision being heavily compromised, and being in one way delayed for much of it's development but then also sort of rushed. I think this is what makes the game the wonderful pastiche that it is.

>>4226660
He's a pac-man ghost

>>4226696
Given how much of a sleazebag Willits it, I'm pretty sure that's exactly what he said.

>>4226660
is that the lost soul's soul

>GRAF ANGER MODE ACTIVE!
What's the dealio with this, I wonder.

>>4226716
Probably related to something fucking insipid that he said.

>>4226713
WAKAWAKA
>>4226715
Kinda? There used to be a thing in babel where rarely a lost soul would leave behind a burning ghost that would wander towards the player and do a weak DoT effect to them, but I decided that was actually kind of cheap since there was almost no way of avoiding damage when they chase you down a thin hallway or corner you. So instead I'm making that soul slowly grow back into a lost soul and respawn them. Current version is working pretty much as intended, it wanders around slowly gaining more form then respawns as soon as it's not being blocked by anything.

>>4226648
also that map snippet looks proper nice. i love what you've done with those ceiling lights.

>>4226727
thanks. it's my first map and ive been on and off it for months really. just been throwing stuff at a wall and seeing what sticks. i decided i would do pure vanilla ultimate doom to get the basics down but i fell into a trap of detailing quite a bit and now most my work isnt really easy to see at 320x200.

>>4226136
Noice.

>ketchup mod
>contains zero mention of the condiment
Woooow

>>4226764
>Samsara
>You don't play as Serious Sam

No More Demons mod when?

>>4226768
>>4226764
>Lithium
>You don't even find any or do any chemistry.

>>4226768
Chocolate Doom
Contains 0% cocoa

>>4226768
>You don't play as Sam or Sara
>It doesn't deal with Buddhist philosophy

>>4226764
>Alien Vendetta
>Doesn't contain Italian aliens looking for revenge anywhere

Fuck this gay earth.

>>4226774
Shihong out of Demonsteele has a beam sword.

https://twitter.com/DOOM/status/903043917205135385

>>4226815
WHY.jpg

>>4226815
Ugh.

And now, ONE BIG ASS DOOM SCREENSHOT.

>>4226815
*thunderous bass noises*

>>4226827
You are huge! That means you have huge pixels!
Screencap and post! Screencap and post your pixels!

>>4226778
>lithium
>it's not a tribute to map21

What Doom/Doom 2 textures would work for a college themed map?
Asking for a friend.

>>4226870
Making maps of school buildings always seems like one of those "things you shouldn't do" ideas, like making a map of the White House or something.

>>4226160
I do because I find it fun to hunt for bigger weapons nearby, but there's nothing wrong with continuous

>>4226874
I remember people used to map workplaces, schools, their homes and public places for fun.

There's even stuff like some train station that has been mapped out over on idgames somewhere.

>>4226871

>>4226270
>>4226275
Oh nice. Glad you liked it, because I was a little iffy on it - such is life in the doom zone. REKKR's maps are pretty non-linear, aside from a scant few. Hopefully not confusing.

I'll probably leave the nitpicks (valid though they may be). It's a speedmap and all.

Alrighty, now it works. Wanders around waiting to regenerate and if you or something else cockblocks it it just waits until the space is free. I just realized I forgot to set the frames to be bright, but aside from that shit's good.

>>4226889
Make that the jumping kick attack, for the love of god, DO IT!

>>4226815
>https://twitter.com/DOOM/status/903043917205135385

>Dinddu understood teh shitstorm

could someone please Enlighten me about this latest bullshit

>>4226894
Well, actually...

>>4226815

lol thats funny they should make him do harlim shake next

>>4226903
>>4226889

>>4226504
>not a gender neutral bathroom
cliff bazinga is gonna tweet about you, nigga

Anyone else found this map really spooky and intimidating with it's creepy and partially uncanny soundtrack, and unconventional 'storytelling'?

Like it does a lot of things right in a lot of places to unsettle me and make me feel chills, I love it, the bathroom walls 'melting' away to reveal the hellish corruption is an excellent touch.

>>4226914

>>4226941
>That sector comic book art
wew. might have to play that just to see what the hell is going on there... I do like spooky maps too

>>4226921

>>4226921
Not him but what's the joke there? What's Cliff "354 24-hour peak" Bleszinski got to do with bathrooms?

shadow puff weird

>>4226950
He called out overwatch or blunderborne about their games not including a gender neutral bathroom, even though they are in the future as well. Too lazy to find the pic right now.

>>4226941
Spooky is the last thing I'd say about any of the JPCP maps.

bluuuur

so damn blurry

>>4226947
>>4226959
Well I mean it's not like it's a horror themed mapset, but the map just manages to nail a very slightly unsettling atmosphere, much with the help of it's sort of unusual music.

It has a very good and strong beat and melody, but it also has these strange, high pitched whistle noises making up the occasional part of it, and they sound a bit unsettling.
Also the engrish in the comic is charming. Shame it's only on one map, it'd be nifty to see this done for a short episode, just because of how unconventional it is.

>>4226950
>>4226958
He made a big thing of having gender neutral bathrooms in Lawbreakers because it's the future, other developers took the piss.
https://twitter.com/DanielVavra/status/729009601568493569

>>4226964
>in a shitty public bathroom
>lost your glasses
>about to be gangbanged by some disenfranchised ethnic youths
We've all been there

>>4226976
i got the power of HeXen fists

>>4226976
I've never been to Charlottesville.

>>4226978
I like how it looks like you smashed one of them through the wall where the urinal used to be.

I'm imagining Baratus dropping his glasses and looking for them in this shitty bathroom, then getting accosted and having a throwdown.

>>4226815
Holy shit Mega Man is involved too

>>4226986
God damnit Crapcom had better leave Cancelled Man alone.

>>4226815
As far as shameless youth pandering goes, this is pretty tame.

You should have seen the US election.

I don't even mind DOF that much but why does ReShade have to fuck with the HUD, too?

>>4226414
Also, on top of being weak, the guns are also inaccurate as fuck. Which means that you'll probably end up missing a lot of shots that aren't going to do that much damage even if they hit anyways. Hell, I've actually ran out of ammo a lot more frequently than usual, particular when pistol starting maps with lots of zombies and imps at the beginning.

>>4227042
Also the SSG's bullets evaporating a foot in front of you severely hampers its potential.

kingo

Doomman GLOWS

>>4227042
Yeah Kinsie seems to forget that when bullets move at a snail's pace and enemies shoot around like lightning bolts, even well placed shots will miss quite a bit. Whole mod reeks of little to no gameplay testing.

>>4227057
>>4227062
Needs moar bloom.

dammit

damn

>>4227098
I would almost say that looks good if it was possible to make that effect fade in and fade out of the screen for like a split second when hit with a fireball.

>>4227104
explain because when i get hit and the screen turns red it shows the SSAO outlines for a split second

Mapping for HUMP; whats a good way to make a player know SHOOT THIS where THIS is a wall? It's for regular progression, not a secret area.

>>4227106
Fuck if I know, I haven't tried it out in person, I'm just saying it could be neat if that blurring could be applied as a temporary screen effect for things.

>>4226414
I'm going to have to agree, enemies don't actually go down much quickly at all. They're all fast and shit which is fine, but the weapons are just horseshit - contrary to what the mod description suggests. It feels like I'm barely above vanilla Doom weapons but with a reload mechanic by default. Yeah it's hard and it's a cool ZScript tech demo, but it's just not that fun to play as-is.

>>4226296
>>4226536
>BURL TUMD

Actually, this is a very good comparison since it's essentially sped-up Doom with some outlying changes. Goddamn it Eric, all these slot changes still take me by surprise.

i can't even see the damn console.

>>4227118
I edited BURL TUMD myself when I played it to re-slot everything to make more sense. You should too.

Are there any good Doom streamers?

>>4227108

with cool ass doom

>>4227126
so real!

>>4227131
ayyyyyyy

Which wad is he playing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI80XYJD-zA

>>4227168
wait nevermind it's brutal doom by the looks of it but i've never seen the hud look like that before, who made that hud? It reminds me of when people tried to "HD"ize DoomMan's face along with other textures.

>>4226272
Why does upside-down smiling Doomguy look like Tony Hawk?

Dude

>>4226889
looks more like he's looking down while taking a shit
>>4226915
KEK

>>4227187
Ayys

wtf is this difficulty

>>4227192
lmao

>>4227205
git gud

>>4227209
i did

>>4227205
E4: romero makes you his bitch: daikatana was a distraction

>>4227205
Isn't this known as the 2nd hardest stage, despite it's insane lack of monsters?

>>4227205
E4 wasn't made until after Doom 2, and it was made to kick you in the dick. Go play 2 first and then come back.

>>4227205
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS MAP ROMERO
I'M GETTING SODOMIZED

>>4227265
Brace yourself.

In Quake is nightmare difficulty more like in Doom (ie. not really intended for normal playthroughs) or more like Quake 2 (ie. its just marginally more difficult)?

Not sure if I should be playing on hard or nightmare for my first playthrough. It's the only Quake/Doom I haven't beat.

>>4227257
I wonder if there's a Daikatana TC for Doom, making Romero his own bitch.

>>4227265

>>4227265
don't worry, it gets easier after that map
then it gets hard again at e4m6
then easy again

>>4227276
It's a secret difficulty for a reason. Hard is the highest spawn filter.

>>4227282
I mean hard+/nightmare in Quake 2 is a hidden difficulty too, and it's not actually that hard. Either way, guess I'll just play on hard.

>>4227276
Nightmare actually makes the game easier, as it breaks a lot of the games' AI.

>>4227276
>>4227285
Nightmare in Quake is hidden because it's half broken. It uses all the same enemy/entity/etc. spawns as Hard, but makes enemies attack as often as possible. This leads to things like Ogres turning into stationary grenade launchers (so you never have to worry about getting chainsawed, they'll never jump off ledges either), Shamblers who either won't stop or won't start hurling lightning, etc.

Hard is the recommended difficulty.

>>4227286
>>4227289
Ok cool, thanks guys.

>>4227289
Not exactly true about Ogres. They still move around and can definitely jump off ledges since these are brush triggers and they work for all monsters. Shamblers will use their lightning attack as soon as they see you unless you are flush with them, and that attack is much faster. Vore balls also travel much faster, are far more accurate and are overall absolutely deadly. Grunts aim better, Enforcer shots travel faster, Scrag spit travels a lot faster, Hell Knights will use their fireballs a lot more, etc.

I do find Nightmare harder than Hard and it's a blast to play.

>>4227293
>Not exactly true about Ogres. They still move around
You sure about that? Unless you mean move around when they aren't attacking the player, which they obviously do. I was referring to how in normal fights an Ogre will take a shot at the player, move around a bit, take another shot, etc. which helps randomize the grenades as otherwise they're subject to the engine's very basic physics and tend to all hit the same spot.

> and can definitely jump off ledges since these are brush triggers and they work for all monsters.
They have to reach the entity first, which they won't do if they aren't moving.

>Vore balls also travel much faster, are far more accurate and are overall absolutely deadly
I was going to cite this as bullshit but then checked the .qc and sure as shit, there's a few lines about skill == 3 setting their velocity higher. Don't see anything for the Scrag but I might just be missing it. Grunts do seem more accurate but I'm not sure if that's intentional or just something screwing with the 'always aim x amount behind the player's position' bit.

So nightmare does have more changes than I knew of, but IMO the negatives still make it a minus compared to Hard.

So what's a good Doom wad/mod for the average /k/ommando?

>>4227313
hideous destructor

>>4227309
Yeah I meant to say they do move around when they lose sight of you. They will also use their chainsaw if you're close enough.
The Scrag spit is definitely faster on Nightmare. Leaving a bunch of Scrags unattended during a fight is a bad idea.

But then again everyone has preferences. I just love how relentless and fun Nightmare is so I only play with that mode.

Nice webm btw. Fucking Ogres.

>>4227309
>the end of that webm
>Very Fast Ogre grenading at Incredible Hihg Speed

Doom movie:
Soulless corporate cashgrab that was made solely to sucker fans of Doom for easy money
or
Cheesy-yet-enjoyable-in-a-weird-way movie that has some actually good scenes and is worth a watch?

>>4227289
Reminds me how Mercenaries in Unreal are less dangerous at high difficulties due to their "spray bullets while moving" animation being so short that the bullet spray itself doesn't complete and hit the player. (mercenary in webm is edited to have low movespeed and not fire rockets)

Are HUMP maps supposed to stay within vanilla limits?

>>4227321
both

how are my doom skills

Have any of the mappers here happen to hold on to your very first completed project as a keepsake to look back on?

>>4227345

Modder, but yes. I have a copy of several of my very first gameplay mods.
Boy it's nice to look back on.

This is how most people play Action Doom 2.

>>4227345
I dont have a copy but other people do
it's terribad

>>4227348
Do people actually enjoy this objectively bad mod?

>>4227336

This is how you play Action Doom 2 the right way.

>>4227360
>>4227362
go urban on their asses

>>4227351
I used to play it a lot. It taught me to git gud at using melee weapons without getting hit so much.

OUT OF FOCUS.

If nobody is making a Love Life wad then it's up to me to make one since everybody is TOO DAMN busy making something better. I'm going to make a damn Love Live wad and I'm not sure how I'll do it but I might make it either a custom skin or monster wad since it seems like people have a bit of hate for idols.

>>4227387
le nico nico nee xdddddddddddd

>>4227387
ganbatte

>>4227387
A skin might be good.
What've you got in mind for the sprites?

>>4227387
I understood some of these words.

>>4227387
todokete

>>4226118
>>4226137
i hope romero didn't set the par times for all of them because it's technically cheating since he would be setting times for levels he made

>>4227351
it has a novelty to it if you enjoyed games like final fight or streets of rage.

plus i always get a kick out of the max payne style cutscenes it has

>>4227407
Why? Trackmania (a racing game all about essentially speedrunning) works the same way- the medal times are dictated by the best time set by the map creator, so you better be really good at your level to set a good enough time that people don't easily get the gold/creator time medals.

>>4226160
i don't mind it but i usually prefer an assault rifle as the "workhorse" gun in most shooters

>>4227407
I remember an interview Romero did where he talked about the par times and mentioned that the times were rounded up, so he's given you more time than was expected to finish the maps in.

>>4227426
because he would know the map more than average player and know the quickest routes,spawns,shortcuts,etc.

also games that are entirely UGC are a bad example because of those reasons + what's stopping the creator from putting a go to the end shortcut so they can ace it?

>>4227442
>because he would know the map more than average player and know the quickest routes,spawns,shortcuts,etc.
There is nothing wrong with that. Have you never played a game where you get goodies for beating the developer times? Doom is far, far from the only game to have it.

>>4227442
>what's stopping the creator from putting a go to the end shortcut so they can ace it?
The creator's own honesty, the player's ability to find the shortcut if it exists (case in point, there are many Trackmania courses with out-of-left-field shortcuts that aren't obvious at all and take extreme user skill to pull off, but anyone can do it and it's always there), and the player's ability to take apart the map themselves and see exactly how something was done.

>>4227451
problem is it's getting called the par time, not the dev time

a better par time would be the time someone moderately skilled gets on his third or so run through the map, not "I made the map and now I'm gonna speedrun it and call that the time you should be getting"

>>4227428
>Be evil game dev
>Make the gold medal par times my fastest time rounded up to the nearest ten second mark so players have to be almost as good as the game's creator to get a gold
>Make the platinum medal par times my fastest time rounded down to the nest five second mark so players have to be better than even the game's creator to get a platinum
>Put in a secret medal tier that's only achievable through TASing just to fuck with people

>>4227456
>and call that the time you should be getting
but it's not
it's the par time
as in the absolute best time
as in the pinnacle speedrun time
as in the "only experts can reach this" time

this is the dumbest thing to complain about

>>4227456
suck it down

>>4227456
>problem is it's getting called the par time, not the dev time
Right. Because it isn't the dev time, in this case it's the dev time plus five seconds. Should be plenty of time for a speedy two-shoes like you, right?

>>4227463
>spoiler
I am stealing that for a future project.

>>4227456
It should be seen as an extra challenge for players that have finished the game already, a means that makes you learn the maps more in-depth and master the game's mechanics and enemies as well as the levels themselves. Beating par times isn't something for new players, it's meant to give experienced players more of a challenge and a way to learn the game even more than they already do.
If you play E2M7 for the first time and take 28 minutes on it and then see the par time is 2:45, you shouldn't be thinking "I took way longer than the average player did", you should be thinking "this is for speed running and clearly this map is too large and complex to finish quickly on a first play-through". Playing some maps from TNT or Plutonia for the first time can take me well over half an hour or even nearly a full hour to complete, but their par times will be under just a few minutes because those times are acquired through memorizing entire maps and the fastest routes to complete them without killing all (or even any) of the enemies or hunting down any secrets. It's just an extra challenge for skill mastery.

>>4227469
>thinking "par" means "absolute best"

words mean things y'know

>>4227482

>>4227387
>it seems like people have a bit of hate for idols.
i really enjoyed love live. i don't care much about idols and that kind of music, i outright skipped through the songs. the drama, which often seemed rather forced, wasn't interesting. but the funny parts and character antics were top-notch.

>>4227550
Good job, you are very fast at the game.

>>4227550
SLOW DOWN

>>4227557
>>4227562
i went a lot faster than necessary. the bastard made me think the par time was 2:45!

>>4227562
GOTTA GO FAST

>>4227327
>Are HUMP maps supposed to stay within vanilla limits?
No, you can go nuts with sectors as long as (G)ZDoom doesn't explode.

>>4226439
I believe this only happens in vanilla ports like crispy and chocolate heretic. Doesn't seem to happen in zdoom

>>4226136
10/10
I'd love to make this the HUMP tie-in. If many maps had this guy somewhere (secret or not), it would be hilarious. What do you think anon? can I suggest this to the mappers?

>>4227327
vanilla format, but limit removing. So you can go nuts with linedefs and segs, but its not UDMF, just vanilla linedef actions (regular doom format)

>>4227550
Come on, you can do it faster.

>>4227683
no, i've never been able to do the thing glide, or whatever the name of the trick is. the monster against which you need to build up momentum never seems to behave itself for me.

>>4227712
> doomguy builds speed for 12 hours

>>4227716

>>4227265
Ultra-violence, I assume? Git gud. That and the previous maps are the only time they've gotten the difficulty right in the franchise.

>>4227265
>Mfw first running into that map

>>4227730
fuck off

>>4227740
rude

>>4227745
sorry

>>4227730
You sound like a teenager that brags about only playing on Nightmare in order to look cool to his friends when you say that. "Plutonia was too easy" would also sound like something befitting for that.
Also why does this baron have tits, god dammit.

>>4227740
The maps are hard, but they aren't unfair or tedious. They can still be completed by conventional means, unlike Nightmare difficulty or certain community-made slaughtermaps which turns the gamplay into nauseating trial-and-error. They are short, sweet and interesting. Probably the two best maps in Doom.

>>4227749
I can't get past the third level in Doom 2 on Nightmare. I don't think that difficulty is fun for me.

>>4227315
>hideous destructor
I wonder how you can actually have fun with that mod.

>>4227208
>I'll trick them into thinking we're stuck to 500 years ago
what's the mod btw?

>>4227751
thank you for your reply and explanation. FWIW i mostly agree with you, although i found e4m2 distinctly "trial and error" the first time i did it (with savegames / keyboard only, in 1998). my rude response was more aimed at "git gud" which is the sort of thing shitposting /v/ children say -- coupled with your assertion that E4M{1,2} are the only maps in doom.wad that are of "proper difficulty" marks you as a certain highly virulent troll of nearly 5 years constant threadshitting on /vr/, whose name i won't mention (since last time i did i got banned for 24 hours).

Which was would you recommend based on this picture?

>>4227712
>>4227716
This reminded me of that Super Mario 64 TAS video
With building up speed and "travelling to parallel universes"

>>4227782
that is the intended reference, yes

>>4227781
Pester Byeblothingal to send you his maps.

>>4227787
>Par: 1:30

>>4227787
this looks like auto-generated garbage

Wad recs that actually feel like a Hell on Earth scenario instead of vanilla D2's bizarro nonsense earth levels?

I've played Hellbound (good but not enough city levels) and Hadephobia (gets shit halfway thorugh)

>>4227781
uacexp
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom/Ports/s-u/uacexp
castevil
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom/a-c/castevil
2complex
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/0-9/2complex
scrchhet
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/s-u/scrchhet
mm map28
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/themes/mm/mm_allup
epic2 map28
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/megawads/epic2

I remember reading something about a text-based level editor on Doomworld. Has anyone actually created maps in it?

>>4227787
That looks thoroughly un-fun.

>>4227805
ITYM id's inhouse level editor?

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/DoomEd
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/DWD_format

no idea if anyone's actually used it since id employees in 1995. even Romero switched to doombuilder.

>>4227787
>>4227806
To me this looks really fun

>>4227805
>>4227812
Screw me and my memory, I found it again after checking an archived version of Doomworld's utilities section. Apparently you make levels by writing code and the editor shows your input.

>>4227781
Foursite.wad

>>4227794
After the Holocaust is nice, but it's a single map

>>4227816
good lord, and I thought quake mapping was bad

>>4225895
300 MINUTES OF /vr/ SUBMISSION

Trench, by Rolo

An early level with mostly low level monsters and low-tier weapons, although arachnotrons do make an appearance. Took the full 300 minutes to make. Secrets and difficulty levels included.
Tested with Chocolate Doom.

https://www.mediafire.com/file/dvlr4l3klhw0ogf/VR%20Speedmap%2031AUG17%20by%20Rolo.wad

>>4227816
oh WadC, yeah that's still being developed.
https://github.com/jmtd/wadc

>>4227787
This map looks like what I would play if I wanted to David Carradine myself with a video game.

>>4227749
Whenever I hear anyone say shit like that, I tick them off in my head as a "lying fucking retard" and proceed to disregard everything they say afterward.

>>4227730
>dat baron
Do....do you have moar?

>>4227838
thanks!

>single cacodemon in open space
>fire 3 rockets
>all hit

>>4227893
if the second rocket doesn't kill it, tradition is to run up to it and punch the sad sack of shit to death for daring to survive

>>4227662
>I'd love to make this the HUMP tie-in. If many maps had this guy somewhere (secret or not), it would be hilarious. What do you think anon? can I suggest this to the mappers?
Sure, go ahead. Do you need the file they're in?

>>4227901
should be all good. I'll just post this image in the discord and let people add in something like this if they want to.
kind of like a HUMP in-joke

Didn't think I'd see a DOOR3 minifridge.

>>4227908
I already added this in an optional path in my map. Graf's personal review when?

>>4227893
>Blasting a mid/high tier demon with a stream of plasma cells
>Stop firing at just the right time so they die without having wasted a single extra shot

>>4227920
>using revenant fireballs to redirect an archvile's attack right before it goes off

>>4227893
>shoot second rocket
>lost soul floats in from the left side of the screen
>his face when

>>4227929
> shoot imp with shotgun, killuing it before it could block a baron fireball that hits you in the face for max damage

One thing that makes me mad about heretic is how gargoyles aren't instagibbed by close ranged crossbow.
Also how do you activate faster enemies and such? I feel like the last difficulty is a bit bullshitty just like nightmare but the penultimate one is okay but would be even better with faster enemies.

>>4227914
Is it really a minifridge if it almost reaches the ceiling?

>>4227960
Pretty sure in Heretic last difficulty is ony FAST and maybe double the ammo, not sure

>>4227960
just add:

-fast

on to the end of the target of your shortcut.

>it's a hitscan enemies in a wide open space episode

Hello? I'd like help/advice with
>>4226546 please.

>>4227976
>frogposting

I should actually focus on the layout. Voodoo dolls are fun.

>>4227968
>>4227974
So is playing on the hardest difficulty the same as inputting fast besides ammunitions?

>>4228024
> Black plague possesses thee: Similar to skill 4, but ammo powerups give 50% more than normal; monsters attack and move 300% faster; enemy missiles fly 300% faster; cheating is disabled.

http://doom.wikia.com/wiki/Heretic

>>4227345
My first map is long-lost but most of my old maps are still on the Internet. They suck.

>>4227345
I don't have my very first "fucking around in a map editor" map, but I still have my first "actual attempt at making a legit map" map. It's pretty okay and has some nice but simple details. Maybe I'll post it some time.

>>4227914
What WAD?

>>4228035
So -fast is nightmare equivalent fast

>>4228042
Joy of mapping 4

>>4228004

>>4227838
Nice, I was looking forward to playing this when you posted that screenshot a few threads back. Now we're up to 29 maps, only 2 more regular maps and one map for the super secret slot.

>>4228110
oh hey, you're not dead.

>>4228197
Sorry for not posting, I've been pretty busy this week and there's only been one submission since the weekend. I also have the updates that the demo anon has been posting.

I know this has probably been asked a million times but why does everyone in these threads hate brutal doom? Vanilla is better but I enjoyed playing through with it a couple of times.

>>4228246
at this point it's mostly fatigue of having brutal doom be a hot topic for these threads (and the doom community in general) for the past four goddamn years

it's better if everyone here just acts like it doesn't exist