/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4208735
Never took the time to emulate the prototype
but is that really the only changes in the final release?

And doesn't modern SF games still have lock-on for charge shots?

>title screen
>ending screen
>more text
>removed a feature
I look forward to the day it finally gets dumped, and with the exception of those minor changes is shown to be a direct copy of the fan-hacked-together prototype that everyone already has.

>>4209021
Remember when the developer guy said the final version was sooooo much better

Pfft I'm not even gonna bother downloading it.

>>4209029
>not wanting to play hard mode
This is great news for people with flashcarts. Congrats, lads.

>>4209059
>flashcarts
Topkek, m8, you can't flashcart an SFX2 game.

>>4209059
What are you talking about, prototype also had Hard mode. It makes more planets get captured.

>>4209061
Welp.
>>4209063
I mean the no lock-on for charged shot thing.

>>4208735
looks insane graphically for a SNES game

they should have cheated somehow and just gave it 60fps gameplay

>>4209378
>looks insane graphically for a SNES game
Meh, looks just like every shitty Super FX game ever. Yoshi Island is still better looking.

>>4209378
How is it any better looking than Vortex?

>>4209385
>Yoshi Island is still better looking.
That game ugly af

>>4209405
Still prettier than you're neckbeard face. LMAO rekd.

>>4208735
Seems like this has a lot in common with star fox command

>-charge shot is no longer locks onto targets

Thats retarded

>>4209445
Yep, same developer and all.
http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,50702/

>>4209378
I'd rather have it play as close as possible as it would if it was playing on a real SNES, or at least give the option of overclocking the virtual SFX chip so you have a choice between authentic and full 60fps.

>>4209472
Overclocking actually speeds and desyncs the whole game up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLcw3O7aTgo

>>4208735
That is one unattractive font. Oh, and it's still a smattering of 30 second "levels" and hardly different from the prototype at all. This game sucks and Nintendo knew it sucked.

>>4209539
Bullshit, this will be the more complete version with blackjack and hookers.

>>4209028
Yeahhh, that's shaping up to be a Randy Pitchford tier line bullshit.

Y'all can add me to the "This shit is the same as the leak" group.

They're saying that it isn't just to get more sales, standard.

There's talk that this could be an official nintendo romhack. They've possibly just edited the beta rom and advertised it as "unreleased finished game".

>>4208735
Like other anons already mentioned, removing the lock-on feature from the "original" version was a bad move. It's one of the reasons why I liked the fan finished version so much. Other changes weren't that big of a deal to me.

I wonder if they made the General Pepper coins useful.

>>4209545
Normies don't use emulators. They only buy what nintendo puts on their e-shop. So it doesnt matter if its the same or not because they've never played it to begin with.

So the story is that the Prototype is the only thing Ninty actually had then and there was no final version?

>>4209378

>they should have cheated somehow and just gave it 60fps gameplay

You can do that by overclocking the SFX2 chip. We can do that via emulation. Which is why I want that rom dumped.

>>4209545
I'll do anything to avoid giving Gideon Zhi another fucking download. Fuck that guy and everything he works on.

>>4208735
Not retro

>>4210080
>Starfox 2
>runs on /vr/ hardware
>not retro

Will this still be playable on an actual SNES?

I was getting ready to slap the prototype ROM into a Doom cart (it has the SFX2 chip), but then this was announced, so now I'm waiting.

>>4210080
are you fucking retarded?

>>4209787
>normies
Also, about that emulators bit: they're not as obscure as you make them out to be. For example I found a picture where they depicted Snes9X as superior to SNES Classic on social media today.

>>4210325
Don't kill cartridges.

>>4209445
>slowpoke.jpg

>>4210335
>Snes9X
What a fucking scrub newfag.

>>4209378
>looks insane graphically for a SNES game

You should should check out Doom SNES if you want to see the upper limits of what the system was capable of. It's a crappy version of Doom, but the fact it runs at all is impressive.

It's also the only early console version of Doom with every campaign intact, for whatever that's worth.

>>4210339
nobody really needs doom on snes

>>4210696
Nobody needs StarFox 2 on the SNES either. SuperFX 2 games are in short supply, it's gross to gut them.

>>4210696
It's your cart, do whatever with it. I hope the reflashing fails and you waste a cart.

>>4210787
Especially Doom, which came on a special red cartridge. That thing is a collector's edition in it's own right.

Then again, if you can replace the ROM with another file, there's nothing to stop you putting the original back on when you've had your fun. It shouldn't cause any permanent damage.

>>4210689
It's doesn't have Thy Flesh Consumed, though, it's not the full campaign.

>>4210813
Because that's from Ultimate Doom, released thirty-seven years later you mongoloid

>>4210817
Not the full campaign. End of story.

>>4210813
Thy Flesh Consumed wasn't added until the 1995 release, two years after the SNES port. I don't think it counts.

I don't even think you can beat Thy Flesh Consumed on a controller anyway. Garbage unfair episode.

>>4210819
It's the full DOOM campaign, it's not the full Ultimate DOOM campaign, because it literally couldn't have been due to time exsisting as >>4210823 pointed out.

>>4210819
holy shit you're stupid, holy fucking shit

>>4210837
Cry more, Nintenbabby.

>>4210823
I don't care. It's not the whole game.

>>4210845
It is the whole game. Doom has three episodes, one for Mars, one for Purgatory, and one for Hell. TFC is an expansion.

>>4210860
YOU SAID IT WAS THE FULL GAME, TIM.
IT'S FUCKING NOT THE FULL GAME

test

Save for some graphics, it doesn't look any different from the prototype. Didn't they say it'd have some roguelite nonsense in it?

>>4210939
Fuck no, they didn't. That's just fans being retarded.

>>4210946
>Fuck no, they didn't. That's just fans being retarded.

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2017/06/feature_the_full_story_behind_star_fox_2_nintendos_most_famous_cancellation
>Cuthbert is keen to point out that this version is far superior to the numerous leaked prototype ROMs which are currently doing the rounds on the web - the leaking of which has been erroneously attributed to himself. "There are a few ROMs on the net in various conditions," he states. "But the ones I checked out are all old and they don't have the randomizing Rogue-like stuff working or all the encounters in place, so you don't really get the feel of the game we were making."

>>4210953
Dilbert is a fucking liar.

>>4210808

You can't waste a cart, only an eprom.

>>4210956

>thread basing this off of 7 minutes of footage, which is all anyone is allowed to show right now.
I'm just saying, don't get out your pitchforks yet.

Youtube commenter noticed they removed the Pepper coin from the corridor leading to the center of the base. Interesting, maybe collecting those coins finally has a purpose now.

>>4211227
Given that everyone who cares about Starfox has already played the prototypes to death, you'd think they'd be showing off a highlight reel of things that those versions didn't have so people would get excited for it.

The pitchfork needed a cleaning anyways.

>>4211237
Bets on the coins being removed entirely from this version.

>>4211241
>Bets on the coins being removed entirely from this version.
But that would suck. At least in the Beta they healed you upon collection.

>>4211245
>But that would suck.
So would removing lock-on from the charged shot.

>That fucking font

Okay, let's assume this is legitimately a later build than the one out there like Nintendo want us to believe. What would possess someone at Argonaut, in the latter stage of development mind you, to replace a font that's perfectly legible, aesthetically pleasing and fits cozily inside the text box with this horrid Link's Awakening shit that's practically spilling out?

It's clear the script has been completely rewritten, likely to aid localization, and this monstrosity despite how bad it looks DOES squeeze in more words-per-line. I personally doubt this was something Argonaut did in the closing stages of development in 1995, and if we believe Nintendo are actively editing the rom I'd be inclined to believe it's just a romhack of the same old copy.

>>4211272
you realize that font in the left picture was added by the fan translation by aeon genesis

>>4210956
Or it could be that Nintendo just cheaped out and put the leaked prototype on the thing because they didn't want to or couldn't dig up the "finished" version?

>>4209542
its clear this is the real deal.

however, maybe the proto he saw is actually the one not repurposed.

that doesnt mean nintendo hacked an existent rom here.

>caring about SNES Star Fox when 64 exists

>>4211275

I always figured the beta rom came out in English before their patch, since it had an English dev team and all, but I did some digging and found a Jap beta so disregard me I suck cocks. Ninty still could've taken the fucking hint though, that thing is a eyesore.

>>4211332
>Ninty still could've taken the fucking hint though, that thing is a eyesore.

> take the hint from a fan patch in the future

>>4211327
>caring about an unreleased entry on a series you like
So what?
SF2 is good. Not better than 64, but better than 1. And has its own ideas and quirks, and characters/dialogues.

>>4211447
i feel like starfox 64 is what starfox "should" have been all along. whenever i played Star Fox 1 or 2 it felt dumb because I could just be playing 64.

just my own taste though of course.

>>4211443

As in just edit the fucking rom and fix it, it's not like it makes any difference to the rest of the game. All this said I'm surprised Argonaut picked something so shitty when the first Star Fox had a fine font already.

>>4211447
>better than 1.
Disagree.

>>4210273
>>4210331
Game is releasing for the first time in 2017. It's not retro.

>>4211768
You really have no idea what you're talking about, kek

>>4211770
Release Super NES Classic
NA/EU: September 29, 2017
AU: September 30, 2017
JP: October 5, 2017

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Fox_2

>>4211770
This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games. Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier. With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro", though the remainder of the sixth generation (Xbox, PS2, GameCube) will not.

>>4211772
>>4211775
>/v/ children trying to be /vr/
You're so cute, so so cute

>>4211775
Are you the same nigger that uses Fifa 2013 on PS2 to actively protest against PS2 on this board? You lot is the reason why we get perfectly fine threads pruned because
>CVS2 on DC = retro
>CVS2 on PS2 / XBOX / GC = not retro
Get the fuck over your self. The game was completed in 1996. The release version's difference is minuscule.

>>4211794
Technically, the game wasn't finished up until recently.

>>4211794
>Get the fuck over your self. The game was completed in 1996. The release version's difference is minuscule.

Not an argument. The game is being released for the first time in 2017 on hardware that is being released in 2017. The game has never, and will never exist as a cart that can be used on original SNES hardware.

By your logic any games "mostly done" before 2000 but released afterwards would be retro.

>>4211817
It's a port of a 21 years old game.
If we can yalk about GC releases of Zelda games, collections and other ports, we can talk about Star Fox 2.

>>4211817
This. Starfox 2 threads should be purged. NOT RETRO.

>>4211768
The level of autism here is actually shocking

>>4211827
Seek help. Not even joking.

>>4211825
It's not a 21 year old game. It hasn't even been released yet. It's not a port. It can't be a port if there was no original release platform to port from.

Hell, Duke Nukem Forever started development later than Starfox 2 and was released in 2011...is that retro?

>>4211841
I don't know, did Duke Nukem Forever come out on the SNES?

>>4210817
>released thirty-seven years later

You think Doom was released in 1980?

>>4211842
Are PCs not able to have retro games?

>>4211849
PCs is a grey area. Anyway the board rules are fucking retarded, I agree with you.

>>4211775
> ... on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
Was the SNES released before 1999? Was Starfox 2 supposed to be released before 1999?
I'm not sure if this is your way of 'baiting' anons or you acting pedantic.

>>4211858
>Was Starfox 2 supposed to be released before 1999?
Completely irrelevant. When did it ACTUALLY launch.

>Was the SNES released before 1999?
It's not launching on a SNES though is it? It's launching on a SNES-mini, which is essentially just a virtual console emulating the games. It cannot play physical carts.

There is no cartridge of starfox 2 playable on original SNES hardware. You are quite stupid if something that looks like a SNES is enough to convince you it is a SNES.

>>4211850
>Deus Ex, Arcanum, Baldur's Gate 2, etc. will never be "legal" to discuss on /vr/ because of the ass-backwards rules that are in place to stop people shitposting about 2001 sports games on the PS2

>>4211879
I personally think that the following terminology should be used to specify thread content:

>Retro
Games released at least 10 years ago.
>Vintage
Games released in the 90s for PC, or specific console generations (4 and 5)
>Antique
All games released prior to 1990 or console generations 1, 2 and 3.

It makes no sense for Retro games to be locked at pre-2000. As the years go on and console generations progress it gets more and more ridiculous.

Clearly a further board split is not desirable since traffic would be diluted even more. At the same time discussing Gears of War (2006) along side early NES games would also be a bit jarring.

>>4211897
>Games released prior to 1990 are antique
my sides

>>4211897
>those BS definitions.

The first definition of "retro" was: new things made to look old, or to be reminiscent of old.

With time the definition of the word evolved and started including "actual old things" too, probably because of people either not using the word correctly, or not being able to make the difference between "retro" things and "actually old" things. Thus "retro" now means both.

/vr/'s rules got it all backwards and only accepts the 2nd definition of the word. What it should have been called is "old games".

This is why all your discussions about "what is retro" is flawed to begin with.

In any case Starfox 2 is retro, by both definitions of the word, at the same time.

>>4211897
>Games released at least 10 years ago.
That means Gears of War is retro.

>>4211907
Yep, which I mentioned.

>>4211879
rules exist for a reason

>>4211775
Imitative of a style or fashion from the recent past.

>>4211950
We all know the only people who would make threads about fifa 13 would be autistic idiots shitposting. Ps2 is the best console ever made and is old enough to be here.

>>4211841
Can DNF run on Windows 95?

>>4211847
anon you bojo, it was released in 2030

>>4211986
>Imitative of a style or fashion from the recent past.
So shovel knight belong on /vr/? Got it.

>>4210335
nn

>game made in 1995 isn't considered retro because it wasn't officially released until 2017
this is a level of autism you can't make up

Miyu is CUUUTE

>>4211865

>There is no cartridge of starfox 2 playable on original SNES hardware. You are quite stupid if something that looks like a SNES is enough to convince you it is a SNES.

Except there is a cartridge (fan made) that is playable on original SNES hardware. So, wanna try that again?

>>4212179
>bootleg
>butchered a real game to make it
wow it's the worst argument of all time

>>4211847
I'm from the future motherfucker, mind your manners

>>4211320
There was no "finished' version. What you see is what they did. It's still a totally playable game.

What they most likely did was fix some of the game crashing bugs (not many) and slapped a machine translation on it to call it a day.

>>4212179
We doing a gore thread now?

>>4212195
arts and craft does not count as a logical fallacy.

will this get a rom dump?

>>4212179
What's that thing in between the Super Famicom and the SNES cartridge? I wanna buy one.

>>4212235
Of course. The nes mini took like a week to crack open.

>>4212179
>Except there is a cartridge (fan made)
>Fan made

Well done senpai, you played yourself.

>>4212228
Oh, that's where you're mistaken.

>Star fox 2 isn't retro

By that logic pic related is an 8th generation console.

>>4212270
Does this obsolete byuu's msu-1? I mean people have already programmed games to use the cd drive, so I would imagine if you wanted more space/better sound for your rom hack or something you'd use this.

>>4212274
Nobody actually has a SNES-CD and emulator support is partial at best and based largely on guesswork so it's less practical than MSU-1.

No-one has and probably ever will manufacture a proper MSU-1 cart, but SD2SNES implements everything it needs so it's easily available en masse.

MSU-1 can be used for both audio and data. The spec establishes a 4GB limit for data which is more than the SNES-CD would allow without using multiple discs. Are there even any games/hacks other than Super Road Blaster that use MSU-1 data beyond proof of concept?

Some hacks have in excess of a GB of music, but I'm not sure about a hard limit for MSU-1 audio. I suppose it might be limited to a certain number of tracks rather than total length, whereas CD-DA audio is limited to a max of 80 minutes.

With the CD you also have to factor in things like seek times and throughput, whereas MSU-1 is instantaneous.

So MSU-1 wins out in most categories, but it's not without flaws.

>>4212324
ah didn't know about the 4gb limit, that certainly is way more storage than I can imagine an SNES game needing.

and there's a few msu-1 hacks out there like https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/2483/

>SF2 thread
>devolves into arguments over "not retro"
>sparked by a bunch of faggots taking obvious bait

never change /vr/

>>4210813
>>4210819
>>4210845
>>4210865
>when you realize how stupid your post was after the fact and instead of just accepting the fact that you're a retard you double down on the shitposting hoping to play it off like you were just trolling

>>4212334
FMV feels like the absolute bare minimum for a data hack though. Over 95% of licensed SNES games range from 256KB to 4MB, so think of how much extra content is possible with a thousand times more space.

"Oh, we added an intro video" doesn't seem that impressive or worthwhile.

>>4211817
>The game has never, and will never exist as a cart that can be used on original SNES hardware.

I'm literally reprogramming an SNES cart with the updated ROM as soon as it hits the internet.

You're retarded. Go back to /v/ or /r9k/

>>4211841

The earlier builds of DNF are allowed to be discussed here

>>4212357
I can see what you're saying. In theory you could port the additional content of chrono trigger DS back to the snes with it including all the fmvs, But most rom hackers are children who rely on tools and maybe dabble in the most basic of assembly so anything beyond the above would be a feat to see.

>>4211841
>It's not a port. It can't be a port if there was no original release platform to port from.
There is, but it was never officially released. It was developed for old hardware and it runs on old hardware, but was never released. Like, let's say, Mother 1 english version.
Even if you don't consider it a port, you can consider it a remake of an old unreleased game, so it's retro, as we can talk about remakes too.

>>4212270
Someone needs to make a Nintendo Playstation clone console that could play SNES & PS1 games.

>>4212341
Honestly, the date rules for this board are retarded.

Star Fox 2 is technically not retro because it wasn't officially released until this year and isn't available on the original hardware.

Pier Solar got released in 2010 and is technically retro because it's on a real cart for real Genesis hardware.

Retro City Rampage has a version built to run on 486 hardware but isn't retro because here PC games go by release date and not generation.

Daikatana on the PC is not retro because it got released after the cut off date but the N64 version is retro because it runs on a 5th gen console.

I don't get this place sometimes.

>>4209028
He said it was more finished, not that it was better.

>>4213219
Dating console games to the release of their system makes sense as the systems tend to be a very self-contained set of culture, design style, graphical and audial set.

The fact that a few indivual games have weird rules isn't too much of a problem since it's only a few games.

What is stupid is that we use the word "retro". Retro doesn't mean old, it means in imitation of that which is old. So super mario brothers is not retro but a 2017 game that tries to mimic it's art style, graphics level, and level design is retro. Only new things can be retro.

>>4210953
I like how every fanboy wants to give this game some magic qualities that make it better than 64.
Realistically if they had an idea in 2 they could very well have scrapped it and get it added to 64 or any later game but they still believe this is some kind of powerhouse just because they haven't played it already.
Having this kind of innocent hope is cute but then they also act like assholes and ruins it.

>>4213219
>Retro City Rampage has a version built to run on 486 hardware but isn't retro because here PC games go by release date and not generation.

Yea and it was also based on Grand Theftendo where the main programmer wanted to make a demake for GTA3 on the NES

>>4213379
It is a really cool game though. I'm excited to play this 'finished' version, the ROM hack is pretty hacky.

>>4213219
It wouldn't be so bad if the people here would just accept that there are grey areas and some new releases are very relevant to this board's interests (Sonic Mania).

But it seems like people ENJOY being gatekeepers. Like they're defending their turf or something.

>>4213219
Let's not forget that Diablo 2 and Deus Ex, PC games released in 2000, are /vr/ because mods didn't delete them back when they fell for that "Windows 98 is a platform therefore anything that runs on it is /vr/" argument.

So wait, some retards are actually arguing whether this game- which was supposed to come out before the N64, was reported about in gaming magazines and fully finished before the N64- and so by all means is a product of its retro time- can be discussed here because it technically wasn't released back then and now isn't released in cartridge form for the SNES?
The fuck?!

>>4213556
I think that anon is just a trololol.

>>4213556
>some retards are actually arguing whether this game...
Here we go...
>which was supposed to come out before the N64, was reported about in gaming magazines
Almost like Duke Nukem forever...
>and fully finished before the N64- and so by all means is a product of its retro time
The game wasn't fully finished. The leaked build was basically a playable alpha build that was not complete at all and contained bugs, debug code, and unfinished features such as multiplayer". Hey, that's a little bit like Duke Nukem forever that had playable builds pre 2000!
>can be discussed here because it technically wasn't released back then and now isn't released in cartridge form for the SNES?
By "can" you mean can't and yes, due to those reasons.

The fact is you have no idea what modernising, quality of life changes have been made to the game to call it a product of it's time. It could be as far away from the intended 1995 game as a modern Doom 2 sourceport with a wad made in 2017.

All this is academic however. The game being released in 2017 is not compatible with SNES hardware and is certainly not the same game that would have been released in 1995 (because that game doesn't exist).

>>4214107
k

So, what do you guys think about that Star Fox 2? Who is your favorite character?

>>4211994
>Ps2 is the best console ever made
Laugh at the Plebeian!

>>4214190
Take it to /v/ or face serious consequences. Trust me on this kiddo.

>>4214213
I prefer Peppy.

What's your favorite level?

>>4208735
For what it's worth, as a general comment on the SNES Classic, I saw a GameXplain video where the guy was saying he couldn't detect any input lag

>>4211994
It is objectively one of the worst consoles ever made and absolutely not retro.

Although some are pissed off that the homing charge shot is gone, I'm glad that it's gone. Sure, it's artificially lengthening the game but it was too short in its beta form.

>>4214297
hold up tho
the ps2 is good

>>4214107
>Almost like Duke Nukem forever...

Early builds of DNF are allowed to be discussed here

>>4213219
>Star Fox 2 is technically not retro because it wasn't officially released until this year and isn't available on the original hardware.

Starfox 2 is playable on the original hardware, and that's the key distinction. Rom hacks and Homebrews are allowed as long as they run on the original hardware/emulators.

I agree about the PC thing though, the lines are much more blurred there as PCs as a whole never really had hardware "generations", rather their individual components did. Organizing by OS is a convenient way to break it down chronologically but a poor way to categorize the types of games that came out during those years and their hardware requirements.

>>4211327
>we can only play one Star Fox game

>>4210953
>they don't have the randomizing Rogue-like stuff
I'm annoyed this turned out to be bullshit. I like my randomised autistic restart simulators.

>>4211247
Do we know that it isn't only available on Easy? The dumbfuck in the video played it on Hard

>>4211535
This is like saying there's no point in playing SNES F-Zero when F-Zero X exists. They're different games, anon

>>4216637
Who gives a FUCK about easy, there is only Hard, you pleb piece of shit

>>4211897
>>Retro
>Games released at least 10 years ago.
Oh man I can't wait to talk about Halo 3 ODST on /vr/

>>4216642
No shit assface. But everyone complaining about the lack of charge shot doesn't know if it's still there in the Easy mode.

>>4210325
use stunt race fx instead

>>4210339
If he's gonna make it out of one of the many mediocre Doom ports out there, then who gives a fuck? At least it's put to use for a better game.