/vr/ - Retro Games

I've never heard anyone here talk about either first 2 Twisted Metal games, they're some of the best /vr/ demolition games I've played.

>>4206034
My brother and I rented this and the second one about 50 times from blockbusters.

No idea why we never just bought them. But goddamn, they were the best.

>>4206013

I owned this. I liked it okay, the music was fun. The powerups seemed forced though.

>>4206007
Blood is overrated, though.

>>4206007
what rock have you been living under? it's one of the most popular Build games, on par with Duke3d.

>>4206060
>>4206064

I'll agree with OP, honestly. Blood is recognized within the retro FPS community, but it got virtually zero recognition beyond that. If you ask 100 random PC gamers to name their top 5 '90s FPSes, you'd get shittons of Half Lifes, plenty of Doom, some Quake and UT, maybe a Duke3D if you're lucky. Blood is a black sheep.

>>4206007
I thought you said underrated, what's Blood doing there?

Now, this here is easily the best FPS noone EVER talks about. It has good weapons (plenty of), three playable characters with their own weapon and level sets (they are even voiced), smooth mouselook (with key mapping mouse speed adjustment in-game separately on X and Y without shitty setup.exe of the build3d titles), great music, great engine, nice picture-in-picture gimmick frequently used in some weapons and in level design, it came a month (or two or three, i can't remember) before Duke 3D... I can go on and on and on. And not a single fucking person noticed the game that has more right to be called Doom 2 (it has the same core principles but expanded) than the expansion ID came up with.

>>4206092
This is op. Blood is recognised in our retro sphere however i was referring to to a wider audience. People who are mainstream gamers will recognise Duke but not other great bulid engine games such as shadow warrior or Blood.

>>4206034
I am going to recieve a lot of flak here but i played it on PC after Carmageddon because some guys on forum called TM2 the best demolition game ever and it was just really, really unsophisticated and simple in comparison. Several years after it the story repeated itself with Flatout and Burnout Paradise with the same feeling of "Really? THAT's what passes for best game ever on the system?".

>>4206056
Yea, I agree.
I did love the levels though and the bosses. The bosses were really fun to try and beat.

>>4206007
I played the first episode of Blood and part of the second back in the 90s but never finished it (unless I did and then forgot about it). I loved a lot of things about the game - great atmosphere and weapons, tough enemies, fun protagonist, awesome soundtrack. Loved the 1920/30s sort of vibe - Lovecraft, gunslingers, gangsters...
Watched some Let's Plays of it recently and the later episodes seemed a bit generic, except for some of the city levels (the one where bombers are flying overhead stands out)... is that the case or are the later episodes worthwhile?

>>4206034
I like 1, but it just pales in comparison to 2. 1 is just so "floaty" and harder to control in general for me. It's still damned good, 2 is just that much better.

And this is my underrated game. This game is excellent, and I've seen it talked about on here maybe once or twice.

I want to play this game, but I could never get the mod for mouse look to work.

>>4206126
third episode is one of the best, in my opinion. it has mundane environments that you can imagine people actually living in before the events in the game, but it also does a great job at making each level feel solid. the first level is probably the best. I loved how you had this one crossroad in the middle that you would revisit between exploring the buildings, and how the block gradually changed its appearance as the buildings got increasingly damaged during the scripted events.

>>4206159
>mod
you don't need a mod, mouselook is in the original game.

Even though I can't get past the first boss

Probably as good as the original SMB in terms of platforming.

>>4206013
Vectorman isn't underrated by any means. It even came out on the Sega Collection.

Pigskin 621 AD. Just kick ass gameplay, and an absolute blast that's really fun.

>>4206105
Sat down with this about 6 months ago. Good game. Very tough level layouts with timed switches and what not.

Good game but I couldn't see it through to the end.

No one ever talks about the series unless they're complaining about how slow the pacing is.

>>4206420
It outsold a number of games in the series and wasn't regarded as a black sheep until an e-celeb hate bandwagon converged upon it.

>>4206142

It's a shitty Pacman clone where you literally collect crucifixes and bibles.

>>4206007
POSTING THE MOST UNDERRATED GAME EVER

>>4206007
POSTING THE MOST UNDERRATED GAME EVER

my favorite rare game but the least talked about. i think its great and way better than golden eye. every best of n64 lists i see i never see it.

>>4206456
I love King's Field.
The atmosphere is top notch and it has great exploration.
I dropped 3 though since it was kind of weak compared to the second one. I don't even know how exactly, but it felt like a chore to keep going while I couldn't put KF2 down.
Too bad because the soundtrack was great.

>>4206559

PD is my all time favorite game. I feel like punching whoever says that goldeneye is better.

>>4206456
I love King's Field but you're right, nobody talks about it. It is nice to remind soulsfags that their game is babby shit compared to this clunky ass series though.

>>4206559
>>4206683

PD is good and an improvement in many ways, but GE has better level design and missions. I think PD relies too much on trial and error, since you can fail an objective just by picking the wrong path. This makes most missions fustrating and not fun.

>>4206851
>but GE has better level design and missions.
This is the default defense of every GE fan. You know PD has more of everything so you attack some highly subjective quality and say "it... it was just better man".
>I think PD relies too much on trial and error, since you can fail an objective just by picking the wrong path
Lol dude, every video game is "trial and error", what are you even talking about? Either you're good at the game and you walk your way through, or you get fucked a dozen times, learn from your mistakes and get better at the game. Goldeneye is no exception. And in PD I can't think of a single time you fail an objective just from "picking the wrong path" because there is no wrong path. The levels are very open and non-linear and that's part of the fun.

Face it, GE didn't have anything. It had its time and place, but PD improved on it in every way. The sheer wealth of content and customization options blow GE out of the fucking water. PD crushes GE with the girth of its massive bulging cock and leaves it bloodied and defiled upon the ground.

>>4206851
Perfect Dark blows Goldeneye out of the water with visuals, a shit ton of weapons and variations, and even voice acting. How do Goldeneye dickriders still prefer Goldeneye? Sure it was a good game but compared to Perfect Dark it was pretty shitty.

>>4206105
played that game as a kid, owned it, too, actually. thought it was shit. can't remember why but just never felt like playing it, whereas I completed all the others (doom trilogy, build big 3, quake 1&2, etc) happily and several times over. Iirc the level design and enemy design were both shit and the weapons felt like ass, too. just a shitty game in general m8, would not recommend.

>>4206060

>>4206126
E1 = E5 > E2 > E3 = E4

I think the first and last episodes are the best. First one will give you the best atmosphere and environmental detail but E5 is 100% about gameplay. It also gives you new enemies to deal with like those plants, mini Calebs, tesla and dynamite cultists that are a lot of fun. E2 is a close second after those two.

E3 and E4 are both very decent. E3 is another episode very heavy on atmosphere, as is E4, can't really decide between them. I wouldn't consider any of the episodes bad but Es 1, 2 and 5 are definitely my favourites.

>>4206559
might be underrated now but it wasn't at release m8

>>4206013
maybe forgotten, but that was a pretty popular game back in its day.

>>4206851
The controls for that game are god awful, aiming is just something that can't be done with the fucking N64 controller. The graphics are so bad you get shot by enemies you can't see and 9 times out of 10 you die because of it. Goldeneye has aged like shit.

>>4207054
>aiming is just something that can't be done with the fucking N64 controller
nah that's just you being total fucking trash

Move over niggers, The Magic of Scheherazade / Arabian Dream Scheherazade coming through!

>>4206198
What is it?

>>4207302
> MontezumasRevenge-SMS-MontezumasTomb.png
I bet it's not Montezuma's Revenge on the Sega MasterSystem

>>4206851

GE has easier and more straighfoward levels. That's doesn't mean they are better.

>I think PD relies too much on trial and error, since you can fail an objective just by picking the wrong path. This makes most missions fustrating and not fun.
Can you give me an example of this? Cause GE has many trial and error as well. Used the item in the wrong location? mission failed. Destroyed something you shouldn't? mission failed. Killed someone you're not supposed to? mission failed.

>>4207054

>I don't know how to use the N64 controller
>therefore the game is shit

>>4206007
Blood is not underrated. It's overrated as shit.

Blood has some idiotic fanboys. They don't realize their game looks generic and the lovecraft horror gets old in a few levels.

>>4206007
at least 80% of nerds who were pc gaming in the late 90s have played blood, and literally everyone who's played blood loves blood

>>4207496
Lies. Lots of people dislike it.

>>4207519
That's a myth

>>4207520
Live in your fanboy dreams then. Blood and underrated don't belong to the same sentence.

>>4207496
I played it in the 90's and I couldn't care less about the game

>>4207313
Thanks.

Bloodfags were a mistake.

>>4206343
This looks a lot like General Chaos. I wonder if it plays similarly too

>>4206007
What's the best way to play Blood on a modern PC? go the original with dosbox or the Eduke32 version?

>>4207572
like you're face xd

>>4207496
This. If you played PC FPS in the '90s you had played Blood.

>>4207536
I played it in the '90s and loved it, just as all my friends did. And I seriously doubt you're telling the truth.

>>4206126
>and the later episodes seemed a bit generic
Post Mortem surely is. "Welcome to Square Room Town, population: you", at least the first maps (i didn't play it further). The later add-on, Cryptic Passage, is way better though. The studio that made it really knew its way with Build3D engine.

>>4207496
>and literally everyone who's played blood loves blood
Oh boy, you should've seen 2ch's retro shooter generals couple of years ago.

>>4206007
Jackal on NES

Classic top down shooter, great fun.

>>4207851
Everybody loves blood on 2ch, except that one rpgcodex faggot

>>4206034
I remember playing all of them on the PlayStation. I've actually wanted to pick one up soon. I had a 64 as a kid, this was one of the few games (along with Crash and Hercules) that made me want a PS1.

>>4207480
blood is anything but generic, compared to doom or even duke nukem 3d

>>4208004
How can the game that basically started everything be generic?

>>4208013
doom is a generic space shooter and duke nukem is generic action flick badass guy, blood introduces variety of horror themes and settings

>>4208032
Doom is a space shooter with demons, and literally no game had ever done what Doom did when it came out. By default it's not generic.

>>4208039
ok so there are generic aliens called "demons"

Cosy dark atmosphere, and actually manages to combine the point&click adventure genre with 3D action.

Too bad the KQ fanbase are rabid autists demanding pure 2D pixelhuntiners, and villified the game at release.

Blood is and always had been a shitty fangame Duke Nukem total conversion.

>>4208004
Doom is generic, but it's point was gore shooting, not leveldesign or atmosphere. Also, Doom invented all the she-bang, made 4 years earlier than Blood.

Duke Nukem was also 1 year older than Blood, and had much more variety. City in several forms, space, canyon, tech bases, prison, underwater, alien infested areas, even pyramids from last year's addon.

>>4208127
>>4208136
>>4207480
samefag

>>4208143
Imagine being this much of an insecure Bloodfag.

>>4206076
You won the thread but no one is paying attention

>>4208153
>le edgy contrarian opinion

>>4208136
>Doom invented all the she-bang

What is Wolf 3D?

hagane

>>4208180
>all those buzzwords
Back to /v/ you go.

Before I read this thread, I didn't know so many people hated Blood.

I found its gameplay to be much smoother than the one in D3D and SW, and the human enemies were much more fun to fight than the generic brown aliens in the other two. The AI was much better, as well.

>>4208136
>Doom is generic, but it's point was gore shooting, not leveldesign or atmosphere
Wrong in every way, well done

>>4208282
It's just a vocal minority. Not saying people don't dislike Blood, or that their opinions are "wrong", but it's pretty clear that the vast majority of /vr/ does not hate Blood

>>4208285
I wouldn't be too sure about that. /vr/ is packed to the brim with doom babbies. It's a really awful FPS 'community' desu.

>>4206076
Never played Crystal Dreams because I can't read Moon, aside from that, Custom Robo has been one of my favorite games ever. The game on GC is my favorite one so far. Just so excellent.

love this game so much, never mentioned by anyone besides the very small community of cinemaware autists

>>4206007
Blood has terrible level design

>>4208697
I guess I shoulnt say "terrible" level design, but it definitely has sub par level design. The game often uses keys unnecessarily and too many times I found myself running around the entire map trying to figure out where to go next only to find out I missed a door, elevator, or switch that just looked like another generic texture. The game is also far too linear and doesnt offer as much freedom in levels as duke 3d

>>4208236
>>>/r/eddit

>>4208236

>>4208719
>door, elevator, or switch that just looked like another generic texture
examples? because I can't remember seeing that even once, other than the secrets.

>>4208731
>>4208739
>>>/v/

>>4206985

>>4206985

>>4209131

>Standing in front of cultists
>100 health

Cheaters go to hell, anon

>>4208136
>it's point was gore shooting

this is what brutal doom babies believe

>>4208758
fuckin shitposter stop ruining this thread

>>4209131

>>4209273

>>4206037
Blockbuster and video rental is retro all on it's own, good times.

Gta Advance

>>4209309
Fuck's sake stop using that horrible filter.

The actual gameplay of Blood is a bit uneven, but I understand why it has a place in many gamers' hearts. The aesthetic of its fictional universe is tight, consistent, and well developed. It's not ripped directly from some other artwork - rather, it manages to effectively synthesize various elements into something new. I also think the CD soundtrack is remarkable, other than the carnival song, which gets annoying.

I will say my favorite underrated game of all time is Shadow Warrior (1997). Not only have I not seen anyone talking about it on here I also think it is a better game than Duke 3D but it sees none of the praise duke has got, even though it was made by the same company in the same year. I think maybe if it would have got an N64 release like Duke it would have been more well known. Anyway it's a great, great game and I recommend it to anyone who hasn't played it.

>>4209309
>filters

Blood is hardly underrated.

>>4207480
>lovecraft
Confirmed for not even playing the game.

>>4208086
What game is this? Looks interesting.

>>4209338
Ehh I don't know, SW is a mess. Every single thing in this game feels like it belongs in a different game.

>>4209359
>Every single thing in this game feels like it belongs in a different game.
how? where the fuck do these retard doom babbies even get these "opinions"?

>>4208282
I'd wager a lot more babbies have probably tried it recently via BloodGDX. They couldn't before as they were simply too retarded to into DOSBox. Of course they got destroyed and couldn't run throughout the game with an SSG at all times and this is the result.

I'd love to play a modded version of Blood in which Caleb gets hurt realistically by damage (at least in the sense that he's as easy to kill as cultists) and the cultists have superadvanced bot AI. Now that would be true nightmarishly hard single player.

Pretty fun platformer made by Akira Kitamura, creator of Megaman.

>>4209273
My man, do you happen to have some CRUDOX CRUO with you?

>>4208427
it's not underrated, it was just illegal

Gun Buster

>1992
>arcade
>one of, if not THE, first FPSes released after Wolfenstein 3-D
>based on the release date it was clearly developed before Wolfenstein 3-D's release, so it's EXTREMELY primitive
>shooting controls with a light gun, but is NOT on-rails
>movement controls with a separate joystick, making it effectively a predecessor to dual stick FPS controls
>cabinet has 2 screens, each can be played split-screen
>features 1v1, 2v1, and 2v2 death matches
>features 2 player co-op
>features single player mode vs. CPU as well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVygWOEwqSc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk92NGh3mS4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL8Ay3xzye4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpsAiam760Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaJByAExJU4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y2LY2YUrHc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6Tm6jbPC8k

Wild Pilot

>light gun
>dog fight / fighter biplane sim
>fucking awesome seriously go play it now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGa9LGSfnwA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__BcYfQY1N4

>>4209357
King's Quest 8: Mask of Eternity

>>4209285
I really miss it. I find online services, or torrenting is just not the same. There's more choice, but part of the fun of blockbusters was just going in and seeing what new stuff they had, or searching for some older classics on the huge walls of games and VHS.

>>4209338
How different is it from the remake? Remake's free on Steam right now so I got it but it's pretty bad.

I also don't know why they have two versions of the original on there. One is free the other is not but they appear to be the same game.

>>4209338
I hated the graphics in that game. the enemies just looked like different formless brown guys, and then there were the awfully drawn anime girls (deviantart tier).

there's also the way they completely lumped japanese and chinese culture/stereotypes together. at first I thought it was a tongue in cheek thing, but in retrospect, I'm not so sure. americans tend to think of entire continents as countries (i.e. they often talk about europe as if it was a country, as opposed to america as a country).

the level design could have been much better. there were instances where I actually found every single secret in a level BEFORE I managed to find the actual exit. this is where I'll get called a babby or to git gud, but I swear that I never had these issues in D3D or Blood. those games must have been doing something that SW didn't do.

the voice acting and the jokes were definitely the strongest point in the game, but I'm not sure if it's good enough to carry it.

also this:
>>4209359

>>4209372
maybe I'm a babby of some sort, but if I am, I'm definitely not a doombabby. I'm a Build fan all the way. it's just that I didn't find SW to be all that good compared to other Build games.

>>4206467
I like it ho And it's underrated so suck my nuts.

>>4209449
Holy fuck, yes!

>>4208086
To be honest, it did have some genuine issues like the extreme loading times even for tiny areas like the castle, the shitty undead maze that even was the second world and the ridiculously silly violence.
But hey, at least it had one of the most hilarious nude modes in it and I liked how there were quite a lot of optional quests.

>>4206013
It was alright desu. Played it when I was a kid back when it was on Gametap, before Gametap became complete shit.

>>4208136
> Blood, and had much more variety.

it's like you didn't even play blood. Also, I can defend that unlike Duke, Blood had a consistent visual aesthetic, which has remained one of the key points that draws people to the game, even to this day.

>>4209551
it's not that impressive considering arcades had superior hardware to PCs for gaming

>>4209432
but this is exactly how blood plays normally

>>4209338
Dick jokes/10

>first sidescrolling shooter with mouse aim
>frantic gameplay, terrifying enemies, state-of-the art lighting and brilliant sound design
>lauded by critics as the "Doom of sidescrollers" on release
and of course no one fucking remembers it

I know it isn't the oldest but a childhood favorite that still holds up pretty damn well today, especially given the time it came out (same year as gta 3 I believe.)

First time on this board by the way, seems very civil compared to the howler monkey shit fights we have on pol or tv

>>4207618
Eduke32 no doubt.

>>4207618
>Eduke32 version?
DOSbox is best. BloodCM is not yet complete. It become be the best version someday but it's not yet there.

This shit right here. One of the best of the old school survival horror games. While the cutscenes haven't aged well, the controls are a little clunky and there are glitches galore, it's one of the most beautiful and atmospheric games of the gene.

>>4207032
Yea, I meant it by forgotten but I do fully agree with ya

>>4210876
Like silent hill?

>>4210909
No it's more like Alone on the Dark, but less focus on puzzles and more focus on shooting shit.

>>4206034
Critical Depth, TW's submarine cousin. It has a slower pace but just as fun.

>>4206467
>where you literally collect crucifixes and bibles.

Which has nothing to do with its quality one way or the other. God you're retarded. How can you stand being a person who writes such bad posts?

I guess E.T. is the most underrated at this point, maybe. It's constantly being chortled over (by various morons and children) as the worst game of all time, when in fact it's just a mildly inscrutable and mildly buggy game that's pretty good by the low standards of its console. It isn't great but it's arguably further from being the worst game of all time than Blood or whatever is from deserving to be forgotten.

>>4211041
No, fuck off with your stupid hipster contrarianism. ET was just a shitty game, that's all there is to it. It wasn't even "buggy" the way you describe it, not at all, so you clearly have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

>pretty good by the low standards of its console
No, it really wasn't, again showing how much of a fucking clueless hipster you are. There are plenty of games Atari 2600 had that were far better than ET. Please kill yourself immediately and do /vr/ a favour.

>>4207618
the retards recommending eduke32 (bloodcm) are trolls. that's just a shitty eduke32 mod masquerading as blood and it's fucking awful. it will never be 'finished' either; it's as 'finished' as it's ever gonna get and it will remain in the awful state it's currently in forever.

>>4211041
No, ET is a shitty game, people just overrate it and have made it a scapegoat for the fall of gaming in the West in the early 80's. And to be fair more then anything it was shitty since Atari gave Howard Worshaw a development of five weeks so it was out before Chrismas. Warshaw was a competent developer, he made Yars Revenge, but Atari fucked him over.

>>4207618

BloodGDX worked great for me.

>>4211208
If any game killed Atari it was their godawful pacman port.

>>4207992
>>4209309
>filters

>>4206034
carmageddon kicks the shit out of twisted metal.
Twisted metal sucks.

>>4210849
WE remember.

>>4209987
The new Shadow Warrior is not a remake. A reboot, a very liberal re-imagination of the first game at best. The free SW is the original without any frills, Classic Redux is a sourceport of the original so it has some extra bells and whistles but is otherwise the same game.

>>4211969
What does sourceport mean and what does it add?

I heard one of them was censored, like the women were less exposed or something.

>>4209359
Somebody's heart should be ripped out by a gorilla.

>>4210027
This post deserves the annual dumpster fire award of vr. Congratulations. Not.

Shadow Warrior is like 887384 times better than the shitload trainwreck called Blood. I stopped playing Blood when I first heard those annyoing monks' awful voice. They make Super Mario look like a heterosexual person.

>>4210532
Consistently bad, I agree.

Why were my posts removed? It's not possible to say SW is better than Blood here?

>>4212794
Trolling isn't allowed outside of /b/, anon.

>>4212794
>why were my shitposts deleted?
it is a mystery

>>4212797
Then you should remove Blood fanboys' posts as well. Double standards.

Shadow Warrior is the better game, made by better people, tru pros. Blood has generic leveldesign, and a small but very angry fanboys.

>>4212794
>Why were my posts removed?
>I stopped playing Blood when I first heard those annyoing monks' awful voice. They make Super Mario look like a heterosexual person.

Wow, I wonder.

>>4212804
Why would you just go on the internet and tell lies like that?

And another post was deleted which is just declared Shadow Warrior is a better game than Blood. Congratulations. Not.

Why the fuck are opinions being deleted.? Did this site become a safespace? Fuck you, janitor.

>>4212810
What if he ain't trolling. What makes you think he's lying, was anything he said false?

>>4212836
if you were being honest then i'm pretty sure you wouldn't have gone on about how the blood cultists make "super mario look like a heterosexual person".

Very fucking mature, janny.

JANITOR YOU PATHETIC PIECE OF SHIT STOP SHITTING UP THE BOARD WITH YOUR DICTATORSHIP

>>4212843
ah yes this will really show that i was truly being honest in my opinions and that i wasn't trolling!!!

Wow, this is disgusting. Mods are not at the top of their game.

And what's bad at saying cultists are annoying as shit. A game stopper for many.

>>4212847
People shouldn't be banned for voicing opinions, ever. Doesn't matter if the way he expressed them was less than polite.

>>4212851
Not to mention there was a guy who said SW is a great underrated game, and got the same inpolite trolling shit in his face as those who said Blood is nothing special.

See a coincidence? There had been reported shitposts in this thread that are still here, simple opinions are deleted, only from one side.

>>4212862
>same inpolite trolling shit in his face
nah

nah, bro

nah

Someone who is in command now should be removed from his position. He is clearly breaking the rule of the forum.

Shadow Warrior is a better game than Blood, and deserves much more to be called underrated.

Why?

3DRealms was a more professional company than Blood.

The theme is more versatile, easier to being modded.

SW has better and funnier enemies. Blood monks are terrible, and everyone is just loud and annoying.

SW has more professional leveldesign.

That is shared by many acknowledged people as well, although neither game got critical acclaim on their release dates.

>>4212884
there we go.
see, was that so hard?

>>4212884
3DRealms was a more professional company than Monolith.

>>4212890
OK then you remove the other troll posts here or not?

WHY THE FUCK DO YOU KEEP DELETING POSTS YOU RETARD WHAT ARE YOU DOING

>>4212884

Both of them are good and underrated.

>>4210849
My deceased uncle got me some variant of this on Linux with a multi-episode hub where every level from third episode onward was fucking impossible to beat. Or maybe I was just bad because I was a kid.
Replayed this a few years ago, but got a completely different version from the internet for Windows, with way fewer levels, no hub and no absurd difficulty. What's up with that?

>>4212884
>more professional
define professional, and give examples of why SW would be "more" professional.

>Blood monks are terrible, and everyone is just loud and annoying.
how? explain, or your argument doesn't mean shit.

>>4212884
>garbage opinions: the post

>>4212909
Apogee/3DRealms was a well established company which created many games before and after SW. Monolith on the other hand was just handed the game and didn't create anything noteworthy after that.

With that said, Blood could still have been a good game, but it really wasn't. Like Redneck Rampage, the whole game is just a one joke story and gets old fast. Some of the enemies like the monks are shouting their same awful speech all the time, which gets on the nerves fast. One important rule in gaming to not base characters on a few frequently repeated speech, let alone yelling, because it becomes annyoing and earraping fast. Shadow Warrior addon Wanton Destruction made the same mistake with the "stop you" yeller ninjas.

Third, terrible leveldesign and texturing. When I saw the train level, I couldn't believe how ugly its' texturing is. Also the game lacks all the good nonlinear design what was good in Duke Nukem.

That's all. The game deserves a fair 5/10, no more.

>>4212925
then don't post shitposter.

>>4212957
>Apogee/3DRealms was a well established company which created many games before and after SW. Monolith on the other hand was just handed the game and didn't create anything noteworthy after that.
This has nothing to do with the enjoyment of SW and Blood. The games created before and after SW obviously won't change my enjoyment of SW.

For the rest of your arguments, they all boil down to "I don't like it". Sure, you have the right to your opinion, but I don't agree with any of them.

>>4212957
Why does being "well established" matter at all?
also
>shogo was not noteworthy

>one important rule in gaming...speech
says who
I have never even heard of this type of argument being used for any game, if anything, it makes the enemy memorable, like wolfenstein nazis

>ugly leveldesign
valid
>texturing
some parts

Dynamite Headdy is undoubtedly THE gem of the Megadrive desu

>>4207618
BloodGDX

>>4206007

how do you play Blood nowadays?

as in on modern systems?

>>4211093
what do you think of BloodGDX? I love it personally. I even considering tipping the creator for doing such a great job with it. not prefect but I like it.

>>4206007
I've never played Blood.
Is it good?

>>4213382
I played it briefly for about an hour but from what I could tell the gameplay was legit.

Only noticed two differences. One is that the colours of GDX looked slightly different and seemed to lack the pixel shading that the real game has. I don't know if the colours themselves were slightly off, or if they looked off because the pixel shading qualities of the original weren't there. This actually kinda sucks and heavily detracts from the atmosphere and art style of the real game. Other difference I noticed was that those harmless civilians now scream, "Please don't hurt me!" Never heard that before, guess it was from the alpha or an earlier version. I don't like that either, seems too dark, I prefer their whiny "Go away!" which practically begs you to shit on them with a big smile on your face. This isn't a big deal though.

Oh, another difference is that the sprites have that weird cut-out paper thin look when your view perspective is a bit angled. NESfag was complaining about this shit in the Shadow Warrior Redux port. That's here, too, w/e.

I don't care that people recommend BloodGDX, whatever. Dude has indeed done a good job and it is nice playing it at super smooth framerate and perfect mouse controls. (It's actually weird for me to play it with perfect mouse settings because my muscle memory of the game is tied to vanilla Blood's mouse.) I do prefer the original though personally just because it looks much better -- and who knows what small pieces here and there are missing from the versions that were released later, such as Caleb quips or other interactive moments for example. This version is buggier than the real game too but I understand he's still ironing it out and the project hasn't hit 1.0 yet. But yeah, it's not a bad offering by any means and gameplay wise it is fucking Blood, unlike that BloodCM pile of AIDS.

>>4213831
It's not good. It's crispy.

>>4213860
>Other difference I noticed was that those harmless civilians now scream, "Please don't hurt me!" Never heard that before, guess it was from the alpha or an earlier version.

They did that in the retail release. It's a random sound from a set of clips whenever you injure them. eg:
"Don't hurt me!"
"There's no place like home!"
"Go away!"
"*sobbing sounds*"

>>4212884
>>4212957
>3DRealms was a more professional company than Blood.
This is such a ridiculous argument so I'll answer it with another ridiculous argument. Where are 3DRealms now? Dead as shit. Where are Monolith now? Still making AAA releases.

>Monolith on the other hand was just handed the game and didn't create anything noteworthy after that.
Blood, FEAR, NOLF1&2, Shogo, Condemned, Aliens VS Predator 2 are not noteworthy? They're all games that were reviewed very well and loved by fans. Blood was their first game, every company starts somewhere. It is 3D Realms actually that didn't create anything noteworthy after SW.

>Some of the enemies like the monks are shouting their same awful speech all the time, which gets on the nerves fast.
Cultist speech in their made up language is actually one of the things I love most about the game. You're stating an opinion, which isn't actually a fact, and it also happens to be an awful one.

>Third, terrible leveldesign and texturing.
I personally love Blood's pastel coloured look. It has far superior lighting and shading effects that weren't in Duke or SW. It also has higher res textures than SW and Duke did. Actually if you play both Blood and Duke in DOSBox at 800x600 for an extended period of time you'll notice the graphical bump when you switch to Blood from Duke. I'd wager you're used to seeing Duke in sourceports at 1080p while you only see Blood in DOSBox at low res and of course that is an unfair comparison.

>>4214057 continued

How is Blood more linear than any of the other 2.5D games? Even ignoring the fact that you have boots of jumping (and dynamite jumps) which allow you to sequence break even key door requirements, the game is intricately designed and offers you a great deal of freedom of approach, often having multiple paths to get to the same place. Even the first level alone can be approached however you'd like, and that's ignoring the fence window trick. Actually Blood is the only 2.5D FPS I can think of that has levels that are intentionally made to be able to complete without even getting all the keys as part of its core design (without using jump boots/jet pack/other tricks and without finding a secret exit). E.g. Overlooked Hotel allows you to use back way secrets to access rooms that would otherwise require keys. I don't remember this being in Duke. More linear levels like Train (a fantastic level btw, linear =/= bad) are actually the exception. Hell, even in Train, the most linear level in the game, you're given a choice of entry when you get the skull key; you can use the elevator route or you can use the skull door from the opposite end for that particular section. The game also gets a lot more non-linear past the first episode. Have you actually even played it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EWl3lKAimw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfP4jaSRtNQ
^2 players doing the same level, look at how different their routes/engagements are.

>>4213831
Yeah. But I love its 1920s Lovecraft / gunslinger / war-torn Europe sort of aesthetic and dark humor, and this probably makes me overlook its flaws more than I would if the aesthetic did not grip me.

>>4213831
Yeah. It's flawed, but I really love its 1920s Lovecraft / gunslinger / Frankenstein / war-torn Europe sort of aesthetic, the dark humor, the sound design, the weapons, and the cultists, and this makes me overlook the game's flaws.

>>4213831
Yeah. It's flawed, but I love its vaguely 1920s-themed sort of horror fiction / gunslinger fusion, the dark humor and horror fiction parodies, the sound design, the weapons, and the cultists, and this makes me overlook the game's flaws.
They really managed to throw in a lot of different popular horror fiction tropes... there are elements of Frankenstein, Lovecraft, Stephen King, and a bunch of other stuff. It could have been a dumb disconnected mess, but the fusion works.

>>4213831
Yeah. It's flawed, but I love its vaguely 1920s-themed sort of horror fiction / gunslinger fusion, the dark humor and horror fiction parodies, the sound design, the weapons, and the cultists, and this makes me overlook the game's flaws.
They really managed to throw in a lot of different popular horror fiction tropes... there are elements of Frankenstein, Lovecraft, Stephen King, and a bunch of other stuff. It could have been a dumb disconnected mess, but the fusion works. I think this is mainly because the dominant theme of the game is serious. The humor is there, but it never dominates (Duke 3D also did this well).

>>4213831
yeah

>>4213860

>One is that the colours of GDX looked slightly different and seemed to lack the pixel shading that the real game has.

According to people on BloodGDX's forums, depth cueing (the process by which distant areas are made darker) stops working at higher resolutions because of renderer quirks. The developer is planning on rewriting the renderer to fix this and other issues

>>4210849
This was rad!

>>4206851
>Pleb cunt who hates learning detected

Absolutemente asqueroso.

>>4206076
>tfw just found a complete in box copy for 200 yen

>>4206119
Are they really that comparable? I feel like Carmageddon is trying to do an entirely different thing from Twisted Metal. Flatout and Burnout are sort of similar to each other but have nothing similar to either of the first two games. They all do 'car demolition' but they do it in such a vastly different way that I never even thought about comparing them before.

>>4206007
Is there a WAD around for this shit?

>>4218140
what

>>4218140
it's a build engine

Best in the series

This is the most underrated RPG on NES.

Shining Force on the Sega Genesis.

Love that game.

Killing Time

>>4218565
I always wanted to play this but I heard it's bugged where there's a random chance late in the game you can't get a key item and it's basically just game over.

>>4207271
This game is great! One of my favorites growing up. I should play it again.

>>4214138
>I think this is mainly because the dominant theme of the game is serious. The humor is there, but it never dominates.

This is the best way to make a game world. A lot of games are ruined by self-aware lolrandumb "humor". Yeah I know the thing that just happened is dumb, you don't have to tell me thrice.

>>4209338
Out of all the build games this one is my favorite. The XPacks had better levels than the base game though, imo.

>>4206007
Played the Doom version of it and thought it was pretty fun.

>>4206343
Why go with a specific date if you're not even going to try to make it so much as even look a bit remotely like that date?

Nothing in that game even remotely implies 7th Century. I mean, I know it's a fun comedy football game and it's not supposed to be historically accurate. I'm not that autistic. But what I'm saying is what's the purpose of the "621 AD" part? Why not just "Ye Olde Pigskin" or "Barbarian Blood Bowl" or something?

Cringy edginess aside this was a surprisingly good horror game.Everything from the setting to the audio in general was incredibly eerie. .

METAL

FATIGUE

Magic the Gathering (Shandalar)

Nox - like Diablo, but better.

>>4219189
Is it really good? I just got it from a GOG pinata last week.

>>4206420
This.

The other two are not considered retro on this board yet, so I will refrain from listing them in the meantime.

>>4209449
I can actually support this one.
A very strong, artistic refinement of Mega Man 1 & 2's game design

>>4206420

Just no. I played it when it came out and I can still remember the feeling of dissapointment, and the dull gameplay.

>>4206105
This game did a lot of things right, but too much switch-hunting in the level design. Definitely underrated though.

>>4222779
The setup makes the game sound like trash. Just reading it was enough to make me decide not to buy it.

Some random guy gets sucked into his TV and has to become the Destined Savior of TV World. That works fine for tongue-in-cheek cartoon comedy games/movies like Toonworld or Who Framed Roger Rabbit. But "light-hearted tongue-in-cheek cartoon comedy game" is not the sense I get from Nox.

>>4206119

I haven't played Carmageddon but if you think Flatout is better than Burnout Paradise, your opinion means shit.

Marathon 2: Durandal
>THE best level design of any FPS I have ever played
>Dual wielded lever action shotguns
>Satisfying gunplay
>Likable story with deep lore
>Improved upon the first game in every way
>Rivals Turok for best FPS underwater swimming
>The platform and developer it came from was too niche for its own good
>People were too hyped for Quake and Duke Nukem 3-D to notice when it came to PC

>>4226954
Not him and I haven't played Flatout but Burnout Paradise was fucking awful. Easily the worst Burnout game. You have shit taste.

>>4226913
>Some random guy gets sucked into his TV and has to become the Destined Savior of TV World

It IS tongue-in-cheek comedy.

>>4206174
>Awesome music.
>Nice gore.
>Nice health bar to balance out the cheapness.

This is a very good answer. Loved this game as a kid. If it only were a little longer.

>>4208136
how can someone be so wrong with so few words?

>>4209338
Loved the game as a teenager, but I can't pretend it isn't derivative and with many flaws. Lo Wang is Chinese Duke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgtOxH6d6c0

V82nd > twisted metal

>>4229484
Good pick. I always felt the Twisted Metal clones like V8 and Rogue Trip were just as good if not better.

>>4207976
rpgcodex loves blood though

>>4229498
RPGCodex is a cool guy

>>4206007
Today I shall remind people of Gunman Chronicles, an original game made using the GoldSrc engine by a company that immediately died when their debut game was eclipsed by other GoldSrc games and mods.

>>4218538
>Best in the series

this 100%

>>4209338
I-I-s that you G-g-geni?

>>4229484
>Dat intro
This shit will never get old

>>4206105
Thanks for bringing this to my attention, never heard of this at all and it sounds great, gonna check it out

This did starfox 64 a year before starfox 64 yet no one talks about it

>>4212619

It just means they made the game by porting the original source code. They make the game work on modern operating systems and sometimes add features like hardware rendering and better mouse look

Battle ships for c64. It's one of my favourite games and very few knows it.

>>4232183
What makes it so special compared to Starblade, Afterburner, the vector Star Wars game, or the original Star Fox games? Or all range games like Terminal Velocity, or Tie/X? A lot of games did Star Fox 64 before Star Fox 64.

>>4206007

>>4206007
>>4232616
original hostile waters

>>4206007

>>4232621