/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT EVENTS ===

QUMP
-We're still waiting
-https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Zlfb2U2VCeS70uS6Klc2ZEOC9KtnYyCyBXEmeetjh0c/edit
-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp_ZqCZPJKk

OP
-2016 torrent of idgames archive is gone
-Looking into replacing or removing outdated resources in the OP, need feedback
-Looking for more unique images to start each thread with

=== NEWS ===

[8-6] Juvenile Power Fantasy's v0 early release is available
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=57092

[8-4] Source port for Chasm: The Rift
https://github.com/Panzerschrek/Chasm-Reverse/releases

[8-1] Map Jam 9 released (Quake)
http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61494
-Anon notes a particular crash issue
->>/vr/thread/4162441#p4162683

[8-1] /newstuff Chronicles #532
https://www.doomworld.com/news/the-newstuff-chronicles-532-r5277/

[7-29] Press F as OBLIGE's 7.666 release will likely be the final version
http://oblige.sourceforge.net/

[7-28] Intermission E2M7, featuring Cage, Wartorn, and Pillowblaster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13IDbeckDUM

[7-27] Lilith.pk3, the latest hot mod
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=57364

[7-26] Project Xenome: Interloper, a map set for Unreal
http://www.unrealsp.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4195

[7-21] Anon map release: LEISURE.WAD
https://mega.nz/#!UyhnEYxA!BvZc-FDnp2Z6DqiyB3xD1_AJ04NWw9sPDFKE3NVUkXY

[7-21] 12.5 Quadrillion Shades Of Doom (monster randomizer)
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=57310

[7-21] Anon map release: "an arena where you can practise fighting two archviles"
https://my.mixtape.moe/xlahtx.wad

[7-21] High Noon Drifter released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=57098

[7-20] New Insanity's Requiem release
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=37130&start=480#p1010044

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=== PROTIP ===

Would you like to submit any news, personal releases, or other contributions? Just reply/backlink to this post with a link.

I've played through Knee Deep In The Dead at least 100 times, and I never get tired of it. The only parts of it that I don't like as much are the last few levels before Anomaly, they just don't feel up to the same standard as the first few maps. Not that they are bad maps, they're just less good than the other gooderer maps. And that fucking ending, I spent literally years trying to survive it. Just thinking about that shit makes me want to play again, how the fuck did they do it? Black magic? Fucking Doom.

Map Jam 9 is now on Quaddicted. Should be available through Quake Injector.
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/func_mapjam9_2.html

Go play this, it's probably the best jam yet.

I made some pikemen.

Two twitchy guys, and two not so twitchy guys.

God damn it, I posted in the wrong thread too. I'm really late for screenshot saturday but I'm currently sick and was trying to sleep this off.

>>4172451
Will the other eye glow as well

>>4172470
Shit I should probably add some draw in effect there too. The old charge animation actually ignored the left eye until it was maxed out

>>4172476
what

Are there any gameplay mods that shift the game's focus towards melee combat other than Demonsteele (too arcade'y for my tastes) and Wrath of Cronos (have to intentionally gimp yourself into meleeing - even Fighter is better off going full INT ranged attacker)?

>>4172501
GMOTA technically does, though the Blazter in 0.9.9 (the last release) was busted as hell. In general though, I guess more mods utilize melee attacks to decent effect in general.

I thought about making some melee weapon mods but shit like hitscan really kind of gets in the way if you don't touch monsters.

I feel like making a map for old counter-strike in Hammer/Worldcraft

give me a general theme

other ideas to force into the map (gimmicks, parts of layout) also welcome

At this point Im starting to think that BrudalDum is just an excuse for Mark to do a really cluttered inmersive sim on an outdated engine.

>>4172501
Not really, some have good melee options but most tend to go mid way and leave the option of what to go with to the user.

>>4172513
I don't think GMOTA is what he's looking for, it's more arcadey than demonsteele.

>>4172526
As i said once, people have low standards for mods, so nobody would like it as much if they had to pay for it like an actual DLC addon or a game.

Won't change the fact he has a Patreon, though.

>>4172526
I don't see why he doesn't just go into mapping. He's surprisingly pretty decent it, and Brutal Doom for the most just seems like it already does what it sets out to do just fine.

>>4172529
What do either of you mean by 'arcadey'? Does he just want something more deep or fleshed out? The only other notable first-person melee combat I've bothered with was from Killing Floor.

>>4172536
I'm assuming what he's looking for is a slower, heavier melee, like Chivalry or Mount and Blade. Though combat like that would be a real slog in maps with a lot of monsters

>>4172536
I think he's looking for something like Dark Messiah of Might and Magic or the Shadow Warrior remakes.

Even those are a bit arcadey really.

>>4172479

Guessing doom delta's gonna get it's own collection of ingame figurines to collect ?

>>4172380
Isn't this a general?

>>4172551
No, this is colonel

>>4172536
>>4172537
>>4172539
Demonsteele's melee is very simplistic and comes with multiple major deviations from Doom's fundamental rules (quantized HP that's only removed one at a time, invulnerability frames, hitting an enemy once stunlocks it and then you just keep slashing until it dies).
What I'm looking for is a melee system not too different mechanically from that of Doom's Berserker-boosted fist and Hexen Fighter's fist/axe, and without any monster changes (you still deal with the same enemies as in Vanilla, and can potentially port the mod over to any other mod or WAD that only changes monsters), but with extra specialised melee options to deal with boss monsters / tougher swarms. The ranged weapons should serve strictly secondary functions to your melee, being one of: weaker, more expensive or more difficult to set up (something like a few seconds of revving the attack up with movement slowed down).

>>4172567
Huh, maybe GMOTA's upcoming update might be what you're looking for, you can't stun lock monsters with melee, and ranged options are limited due to low ammo counts and mediocre damage output, though the new Blazter stuns enemies.

>browse /v/ doom threads
>every thread has the same autist spamming his rant about how doom 4 is a serious sam/painkiller clone and not a 1:1 recreation of deus vult 2
he does realize that if doom 4 is a serious sam knockoff then it absolutely shits all over serious sam mechanics and level design wise right?

>>4172567
So you just want something like buffed vanilla melee specialized for different encounters, while ranged weapons take a backseat? One issue I see with ranged vanilla monsters though would be how some would be placed too far away for total melee combat, Chaingunners are memed on for a reason.

>>4172567
>quantized HP that's only removed one at a time
There's a menu options for that.

>>4172578
>>browse /v/

>>4172578
why do you care about shitposters and their bullshit? why not just enjoy your games by yourself?

>>4172308
owo whats this?

>>4172578
When did Painkiller become a classic FPS that everything else has to be like anyway?

Aside from some of the guns, it was pretty fucking dull where nearly every room in every map was just victory by wack-a-mole.

>>4172578
this is the true answer
>>4172608

>>4172608
He's a /v/irgin and therefore mentally disabled.

>>4172380
Only id knows what happened to the Quake one player character after his killing of Shub Niggurath ..

If only they would do a direct sequel to the first one.

>>4172772
He's stuck dimension hopping unable to find his way back home

>>4172451
looks cool. But why is it yellow? wasn't it originally red?

>>4172793
Quake is Sliders?

>>4172804
yeah, it's gold/yellow to match the meter on the HUD, so the flames will change color and appearance depending on what you're currently charging up.

>>4172808
ok. still hyped about gmota!

>>4172806
Yes, it was good for the first series and then went to shit.

>>4172686
Zero Punctuation

>>4172451
feel better soon

>>4172476
c u t e

>>4172578
Why do you care about what someone on /v/ has to say?

>>4172772
>>4172793
>>4172806
>>4172816

Ranger got abducted by aliens (vadrigar?) and dropped into the Tournament.
> quake 3

Sorry any chance of a direct canon sequel was blown all to hell.

Not trying to get off topic but what are some other sites where its worth discussing Doom stuff? /vr/ is great and the mods do a surprisingly good job at keeping this place unlike 99% of 4chan, but I'd like to see other places as well.

>>4172914
A-at least we've had the expansions, t-they're canon... right?

>>4172927
zdoom is okay if you never visit the off-topic sections ever
doomworld is okay if you map and enjoy playing maps
facepunch is okay if you're fine with people liking and rating your post instead of responding
badgame is okay if you want to complain about everything

>>4172936
>zdoom is okay if you never visit the off-topic sections ever
More like ok if you never actually read any of the posts and just download content.
>doomworld is okay if you map and enjoy playing maps
And if you can handle the goon-like elitism.
>facepunch is okay if you're fine with people liking and rating your post instead of responding
:^)
>badgame is okay if you want to complain about everything
I just use /v/ for that.

>>4172936
>facepunch is okay if you're fine with people liking and rating your post instead of responding
Informative.
Fucking Marphy I swear

>dynamic lighting works in gzdoom's software renderer
when did this happen? i kinda figured this was impossible

>>4173004

A long time ago.
dpjudas is a magician.

>>4173006
now all we need is for it to effect sprite lighting and also brightmaps

>>4172945
>Facepuch

I always feel so old posting there. Like anyone else is way younger.

>>4173006
Looking forward to his per-pixel lighting stuff getting into future version.

Not looking forward to Graf breaking it all for no good reason.

>>4173015
It's just edgelord shit to counterbalance something like Neofags.

Also Garry is still a twat.

hey redead why are you so interested in reposting /vr/ posts in chatrooms

do you really care that much about what we're saying

>>4173010
oh fuck it DOES effect sprites. just not weapons. this is something else

>it has mipmapping too
WHAT IS THIS SORCERY

>>4173075
If software rendering amazes you this much, you must have shat your pants when Outcast got released.

>>4173079
i just didn't know any of this was even possible in the original rendering engine

>>4173081
But it's not the original, it's a totally new one that looks like the original.

>>4173081
zdoom isn't really the original rendering engine

it's still impressive, mind

also is it just me or can you look further up and down than you used to?

and no im not using the polyrenderer

>>4173091
Correct, the new "capped" sky rendering style is designed for it, or vice versa. Makes all the other rendering styles look horrible though.

Damn i still feel like a Blame! Mod would be really cool, atleast a """"small"""" map like the section where they encounter with domo and pcell.
If i got inhumanly fast drawing skills i'd make the silicon life and safeguards

>>4173067
>pepsi

>>4173179
>soda

>>4173161
who's this semen demon?

>>4173227
I am port illiterate, what's the differenece

>>4173182
>liquids

>>4173231
Zandybam doesn't have ZScript.

>>4173231

Zandronum uses a very old version of Decorate and ACS. ZScript is a relatively recent development and only runs on recent builds of GZDoom.
ZScript can modify levels, adjust things, place objects, run event handlers, and etc very easily. Zandronum can't and has to use (as Mark demonstrated) a very hacky observation of the placement of items on maps and then use them to spawn things manually.

I'm amazed that he did it, frankly. But that's not really a good thing.

>>4173237
>matter

>>4173242
>antimatter

>>4173241
It's several inception levels of balls deep in getting shit to work in a awkwardly roundabout way that could have been done easier in something else.

It's Doom modding all the way through, really.

>>4172963
>Late x 1

>>4172945
>doomworld is full of elitists

Is it, though?

>>4173241
Does Mark know about ZScript?

>>4173329
he probably does, but it's irrelevant to him because brutal doom very much values its zandronum support

>>4173324
Yes, it is. That doesn't mean their content isn't top tier, but if you even mention ZDoom or mods there are still a fair few users who'll throw a 'tism fit. Admittedly it's better than it used to be in this regard.

>>4173335
>but if you even mention ZDoom or mods there are still a fair few users who'll throw a 'tism fit.

I've never once seen this.

>>4173335
>>4173342
i haven't seen any 'tism fits. i have, however, just seen a lot of straight-up ignoring. zdoom mapsets, even community projects that doomworld loves so much, tend to get ignored and passed over.
gameplay mods are lucky to reach multiple pages. all of the dumps got barely any attention. even joy of mapping 4, made by a long-time doomworlder with a lot of respect in the community, has barely a fraction of the attention it does on the zdoom forum.

i wouldn't say it's "elitist", but more that they just don't care.

Since /doom/ hasn't really had any successful collaborative projects in a long while, would any of you guys be willing to participate in another 200 minute speedmapping project? I'll whip up a rules post if there's anyone who's actually interested.

>>4173369
linguica was interviewed last week and he admits this is the case and even he says he doesn't understand it apparently

>>4173392
200 minutes makes for sort of barren maps though.

What about 300?
I'd also insist on replacement skies, as well as a different soundtrack, stock Doom 2 music is a bit boring.

>>4173402
Sure 300 could work.

---300 minutes of /vr/---

Basically the same rules as 200 min of /vr/:
-Make your map in 300 minutes or less.
-Use the Doom 2 iwad.
-Make it vanilla compatible (please test with chocolate doom/prboom+).
-No outside resources/textures (however you will be allowed to add mus/midis as long as you post a link to where you found them).
-Make sure your map has an exit.
-Add the name you want to be credited by in your post, otherwise you'll be credited as "anonymous".
-Post a link to your map in the thread by next Sunday and i'll add it to the compilation, but please specify that it's for this project.

Good luck and happy mapping.

>>4173324
Sort of, there's a lot of twats who follow Graf's lead in being an enormous cunt, about half or more of the moderation staff.

Then there's a lot of users who follow those, so you get a cascade of asshattery.

>>4173079

>outcast
blew my mind when it was released. Loved the shit out of it. I tried replaying multiple times though and I just find it boring now. Feels bad, I wish I could relive those memories.

>>4173404
Should we agree on a standard texture set or what?
Like maybe Useful Doom Edits/Useful Doom Flats? They can be versatile.
Looking at 667, there's a few interesting ones that could give a distinct character, like Darkbase and

It'd be cool if we could get Mark to contribute a map again this time, but I don't think he would.

>>4173470
I figured it would be simpler for everyone to just use the stock doom 2 textures.

>>4173474
I guess, but it can be a bit dull to look at.

>>4173453
link it you fooool

>>4173453
>>4172382

>>4173513
isnt that the one with the secret porn room?

>>4173393
I feel like it has a lot to do with how most of the speedrunners hang out on DW. ZDoom, not so much.

>>4172476
isn't thi barret one of the characters in ROTT

>>4173513
>plate steps are only 1/4 bricks high each, not 1/3
It's trash.

>>4173539
The name comes from the Doom Bible, written by Tom Hall. Guess who ROTT's creative director was?

>>4173547
I learned something today.

>>4173513
Holy fuck, I was just playing this last week as it came up on idgames random wad.

>>4173560
Is that supposed to be Crash or just Doomguy with manboobs?

>>4173562
Yea it was Crash. Bit skinny for doomguy either way.

>>4173567
Ought to be even skinnier, then, I'm pretty sure you could fit one hand around Crash's waist.

>>4173567
What wad is this?

>>4173567
That's cute

>>4173567
What am I looking at?

Also, why isn't Golden Souls 2 out yet?

>>4173547
Also the dude who created the Dopefish, and got screwed by following Romero's ego.

>>4173570
Eh, I was just repurposing an unused sprite anyways.

>>4173574
I was thinking of joining in that map building challenge with everyone and was going to build a happy-go-lucky map, but I had other distractions and couldn't come up with a decent layout for it. This was the music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtcrAEzIz74

How do you get the old HUD back on GZDoom? Sure, the current HUD gives you all the info you need, but I miss seeing Doomguy shift his eyes around like a cartoon villain.

>>4173593
Press the minus button

>>4173590
Where can i play it?

>>4173593
press -
adjust hud scaling options as needed

>>4173590
I haven't heard this song in forever
That's a perfect song for the appearance of that level

>>4173453
where do I submit?

>>4173597
>>4173601
Thanks, it's only a small touch, but Doom doesn't feel right without the mugshot.

Here's some hanging boners.

>>4173609
>Post a link to your map in the thread by next Sunday and i'll add it to the compilation, but please specify that it's for this project.

>>4173616
They look kind of like those plastic figures you'd see in school or a doctor's office.

Has anyone actually used this before?

>>4173626

Yes, it's a very helpful guide.
It also helped me realize how shit I am with Blender.

>>4173626
kinda

>>4173640
Is that Arcie?
Is there more images of that thing?

>>4173646
Meant "Archie" as in Archvile

>>4173598
Nowhere, I never finished it. Maybe someday.

>>4173640
what map is this anyway?

>>4173513
>default doom 2 sky

>>4173640
that revenant had better use the mother demon fireball sprites, same as that vile and her fire trails.

>>4173640
I want to see the chaingunner and the spiderdemon

>>4173646
Yeah, though I might redo the set since the specular lighting is a little too busy.
>>4173656
Part of a mapset that isn't available yet.

>>4173640
And yet Mark is receiving money for his BD64 "Revenant".

>>4173679
Is this one of the upcoming extra levels for D64 Retribution?
Are you Nevander?

>>4173640
>>4173679
looks like argent d nur

>>4173676
>that revenant had better use the mother demon fireball sprites
Funny you should say that
>same as that vile and her fire trails
Didn't go that far, right now it's 1:1 from Doom2. It's flame pillar was retooled though.
>(no one will correctly guess where pic related originated from)

>>4173678
Spidey is still early WIP. Haven't even touched the chaingunner yet.

>>4173709
Are good Spider mastermind sprites really rare?

>>4173640
>>4173709
These are top fucking notch. I'd be easily fooled into believing they were real Doom 64 sprites that were left on the cutting room floor.

>actually try Oblige now the recent and possibly last version is out
Yeah, this is pretty fun. The three maps I've played so far were nice enough, but I'm still going to assume that being randomly generated the program is going to come up with hot garbage once in a while.

>>4173640
Any chance of seeing these in a webm, please?

Does load order in ZDL mean anything? I've been dickign around with it and the order rarely seems to matter.

>>4173717
i want to see a doom waifu beach party

>>4173717
Heh, thought she was naked before I clicked on it.

Maybe I thought that at first cus of my 3 week long dry spell

>>4173734
Who would be included?

>>4173739
Crash, the Barrel from A Boy And His Barrel, the BFG.
All in bikinis, naturally.

>>4173734
I once thought of a waifu sim on Doom, but as a crossover one with other games characters like Samus, Shantae, Kat etc.

>>4173739
Doom mod female characters aren't that common. We've got Lydia, Crash, Hae-Lin, Bassilissa, Samus, Violet, Agent Diaz, Imp-tan, and the Super Shotgun.

>>4173758
>Imp-tan
I'm more partial to H-Doom's Mancubus girl. Dark skin, red hair and bright green eyes go very well together.

I'm fairly certain Term said he wasn't trying to make a HDoom girl with Bassilissa, because proper demons have no place having an ass like that.

>>4173763
i prefer hell knights, but imp-tan is indeed the hdoom poster girl

>>4173767
i doubt this on both counts, since hdoomguy is the spriter and the cyber ass is fantastic

>CEREALS.wad from Maximum Doom

>>4173758
I remember Marty sent me a sprite of Mel in a bikini but lord knows if I can find it. I miss that guy.

>>4173732
it can, try loading an addon for a mod before the mod

On the subject of Bassilissa and HND, the patch for Strange Aeons is a lot of fun. Cowboys vs Cthuhlu isn't something you see often but I really like it.

>>4173771
I miss Hell-Knight chan's old design.

>>4173796
Ah yes. This reminds me...

Fuck, Term. You totally made me waifu that spider goddess.

>>4173796
strange aeons is a very good mapset in general, i'd like to have more stuff in that vein

>>4173798
Is he even working on it anymore? The last update was almost a year ago.

>>4173803
i never expected to see a classic native american legend in a doom mod
and yeah, tse-che-nako/sussistanako is hot

>>4173798
Sauce?

>>4173809
It was a neat little detail. It makes perfect sense that supernatural spiders would actually be good guys in a setting with native american magic.

>>4173679
What the fuck is this?

>>4173462
I've been lurking there for well over a decade, and have not seen this behavior from the mods at doomworld. Unless you think mods showing their authority to someone who clearly deserves it as being a cunt.

>>4173616
Those are totally not Mohrgs

>>4173840
it's something we've seen before, but more on 4chan here than anywhere else
someone gets banned, so they come to an anonymous image board to rant about how X is totally an arrogant douchebag

this was most common with zdoom bans and people complaining about wildweasel, who judging by how often people complained about him, seemed to be the only moderator who ever issued bans yeah fucking right

>>4173852
I never got a particularly harsh or strict vibe from WildWeasel, he's nothing next to the maelstrom of autism that is Graf.

I've played Doom a lot through out the years, I've gotten myself well antiquated with mods, source ports and the like. One thing I've always had a hard time trying to tackle is online multiplayer.
I've used both ZDaemon and and Doom Explorer with varying results.
Is it just not so great these days or what?
I just wanna be able to set up a zip file of everything set up and ready to go that for my friends who aren't as into Doom as I am and don't wanna mess with wad files and such for hours on end.I just want some quick multiplayer fun without slow ass servers and crazy ass mod incapability.
What do you guys use?

>>4173976
ZDoom has no real multiplayer component (thanks Ednerd), so you'll have to use Zandronum for that, the successor of Skulltag.

>>4173982
Oh duh, I used to use Skulltag back in the day too so I dunno why I didn't even think of using Zandronum.
Thanks anon, got my memory a joggin.

>>4173982
Not him, but I remember a few months back trying to play with a friend through Zandro and we couldn't get anything to work out. I don't remember if the issue was server creation or what, but we just couldn't figure out how to get a game going at all (though it was like 3AM and we were tired). Is there a 'recommended' way to play some simple co-op with a friend in Zandro, besides going through server creation stuff? I've never tried fucking with multiplayer stuff before then so I'm not really familiar.

Can we commend Master of Puppets for a cacoward mention?

no idea why the new dev decided to add RO stuff though.

>>4173976
ZANDRONUM
SPREAD WORD

>>4174015
>spread word
???
dude, zandronum's not exactly private knowledge

some of you guys are alright

don't come to hell tomorrow

>>4173474
>>4173470
What about Plutonia/TNT only

>>4174085
That'd be a neat thing to do, they have a distinct look which still sort of gels with Doom 2

>>4174084
to further add to this: hey, not-alright folk. you can come.

>>4172380
Newfag to Doom here. I'm really enjoying it but I was wondering if anyone knows on how I can get my soundtrack to sound like this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BSsfjHCFosw
Is there a mod that changes it or would I have to manually download and replace each midi file?

>>4173197
The Arms Peddler, a manga

>>4174154
If you're using (G)ZDoom, you can change MIDI playback with different playback software and soundfonts. There is a relatively outdated pastebin in the OP regarding them, and you can also find some more authentic SC-55 recordings here.

>http://sc55.duke4.net/games.php

>>4174134
hey, not-alt-right folk. you can come.

>>4174157
good shit, thanks.

Work in progress

>>4173616
Nice stuff

>>4174163
Thanks!

I haven't been involved with Doom Mapping and shit like since 2014. Has GZDOOM builder changed at all?

Is it safe to say that had Doom 64 been a PC release, it would be the best game in the series?

somebody's gonna freakin pay for screwin

>>4174179
Not with that art style, personally

>>4174184
Or music.

>>4174175
Main dev called it quits after nobody liked his shitty texture browser. GZDoomBuilder-Bugfix is the continuation.

>tfw finally did a full playtest of your own mod through all official iwads
>tfw you play an easier mapset after
>dodging projectiles and popping demons like you're some kind of gunkata master
No greater feel.

S'Arais here

Spit me some theme ideas for my 300 minutes map.

Thinking of some kind of technological crypt or some other hell-themed map. Don't know.

A techbase with a cratemaze.

Holy fuck, I'm almost done with the Arc-Vile's spine, that shit is so tedious. I've only got the last attack frame and the pain frames, with their rotations, to go.

>>4174275
"300 minutes map" as in a map that was made in 300 minutes?
Anyway, how about a UAC fortress built in the middle of hell? Can have hellish landscapes around the usual UAC techbase, maybe with some hellish corruptions leaking in.

>>4174275
a techbase built into a cliffside where they stored hidden weapons

>>4174169
Unreal Brute on the left?

>>4174292
Yeah, we're having another stab at a speedmapping competition.

Increased to 300 from the previous 200, so maybe they can be a bit more polished this time around.

>>4174165
cmon now, school shooters aren't THAT sad

>>4174179
With that art style and sound, definitely the best of the vanilla series. Very nice level design.

>>4174303
What did I miss?

>>4174312
Baitposting, don't mind it.

>>4174308
gyigas doom
>>4174312
alt right pun

>>4174230
Reminds me of that freeware game/TC thing based off crispy doom's engine with the crazy colours and swarms of hopping aliens (and I can't find it or remember its name, fuck)

>>4174308
>>4174230
What to heck ????

>>4174315
Or chocolate doom, whatever.

>Play Marathon
>Get muscle memory for checking my radar for enemies
>Play Doom
>Muscle memory kicks in and I realize I don't have a radar
Fuck, there needs to be a simple enemy radar mod, it's pretty handy to have.

What are some Megawads with no Death Exits?

>>4174352
TNTR.wad

Finally getting something done.

>>4174406
Cooooooooool.

>>4174406
>filename
floatRand?

I'm new to speedmapping and want to give it a go, but have a question: Are you supposed to make a map in one go, or is it just so long as each stab at your map doesn't exceed the time limit altogether? Or does it really not matter at all?

Okay, I've been working on my mod some more an-- wait, what the fuck? https://my.mixtape.moe/twvktb.webm

>>4174448
yes

>>4174458

>>4174453
Supposed to make a map in one go, but I'd imagine the latter is perfectly fine as well.

Mind, the only one timing this is yourself, nobody would really be able to tell if you spent an extra ten minutes doing last-minute fixes or something.

>>4174464
Thanks for clearing that up.

>Mind, the only one timing this is yourself, nobody would really be able to tell if you spent an extra ten minutes doing last-minute fixes or something.
True, though I want to be honest about it for the sake of improving as a mapper.

>>4174332
Marathon is more resource based while Doom is typically much more "run and gun". I don't think it'd be tooooo useful

>>4174332
IDDT
IDDT

okay i think i managed to load the right source port this ti--OH COME ON https://my.mixtape.moe/tpxbuk.webm

I made a thing for a different thread but someone told me to post it here so...here it is. I was very tired when I made this so it may have spelling or grammar mistakes I haven't noticed.

>>4174458

>>4174352
BTSX E1. Not E2, as it does have one death exit.

>>4174458
Oh, that's disappointing.

>>4174503
Technically E1 has a death exit.

>>4174406
quakebabby here, is one func_plat an impressive thing now?

>>4174496
this is great, thanks!

>>4174507
Where?

>>4174615
Thanks friend, I hope that isn't sarcasm

>>4174496
>>4174640
Thanks senpai, saved.

>>4174507
If you're talking about the damaging floor exit in map24, thats not a death exit. Damaging floor exits don't kill the player, as they end the level once the player has reached 11 hp or lower, and cannot drop below 1.

is there any way of making weapons affect the environment?

What are good WADs/mods to start with for Doom and Quake? Kinda looking for the techbase or castle aesthetics.

>>4174715
Dunno about Doom but for Quake, just hit up quaddicted.com and sort the maplist by best/top rated, then search by tags for base/medieval/wizard/etc.

>>4174686
You make the environment be affected by the weapon, ergo it's map specific.

>>4174715
apsp2 for quake. it requires the quoth mod but its a phenomenal techbase

quoth actually has some very nice redesigns of the first episode. best redesigns I've ever seen - completely new geometry but keeping the rough layout and feel of the originals. Adding some large secret areas too.

Suspended in Dusk for doom techbase. 4 great maps.

Any good zombie mod for doom?

I'm not sure what I was supposed to have been doing here, but I'm sure it was good. At least for me.

Final map of Mutiny feels a bit like a letdown, with it being a slog of slaughter, but on the other hand there's only so much you can do aiming for vanilla limits.

>>4174308

that reminds me in response to "its saturday, post progress" post (since I didnt know exactly what I was doing at the time)

doing a revamp on my personal mod, now that I got help with using the dehacked patches to alter the ammo amounts

so I did a new palette using btsx as a base, and pic related is me reproducing the coloration for the monsters using translations

(the ones on the left are untranslated, and they look okay as is just leaving them in the main iwads, this way I dont have to store custom colored versions)

The baron is translated to red/black and it just about gets close to the way I had it before.

The ettins replace pinkies, and the red version above (think turned-red zelda monster trope) is the replacement for the spectre. No its not invisible so it loses the stealth advantage, but its tough enough that it cant be 1-shotted and its almost as hard to faze as a hell knight (so cornered by these freaks, a chaingun or chainsaw will not necessarily save you).

Overall this gave me the opportunity to tweak alot of other things that had become part of the infrastructure of the mod.

>>4174889
pic related was the way the baron looked before, so it generally still looks badass

>>4174864
I think for something like this I would expect it to be a jumping/climbing maze, for a map that relies on jumping

What's a good Doom frontend? I'm sick of having to drag/drop shit on zdoom.

Sorry if it's a retarded/newbie question.

>>4174904
use ZDL

nothing fancy, but you can save and load presets for your favorite mod combos

>>4174904
ZDL is a pretty basic implementation, but it works.

>>4174904

batch files

gzdoom.exe -iwad tnt.wad -file first.pk3 sloppyseconds.pk3 third.pk3 fourth.pk3


now that mod is all packaged up nicely in the proper file loading order, and all you have to do is run that


im oldschool so I prefer batch to using windows shortcuts because they're location-neutral, if I move it to a thumbdrive, or another place on the drive its not going to break the shortcuts

> though I might use a windows shortcut to run the batch file, which then loads the mod for me

There are some weapons that look incredibly edgy and over the top with skuls and so on.
I like the look. Are there more like this?

>>4173547
Damn, Tom Hall had the short end of the stick

>>4172410
these are good because they appear to fit the original art style well.

>>4174889
The ones on the left look really nice, they give off that "HD texture" look without actually looking like an ugly HD revamp.

>>4174916
I'd rather have a single exe to manually arrange the load order of the files and save them in a neat folder, but that's an option too I guess. too much of a hassle for me though.

>>4175058
palette related, the answer to this was just taking the darker ends of each texture range and making them darkened almost to black.

> why iD didn't do this from the beginning I don't know, it looks more realistic this way, there's nothing modern in terms of having been able to achieve this.

I wasnt intending on using vanilla sprites right out of the iwad but I clicked over at an iwad to reference it to see what kind of color anomalies I might have to deal with, and this was the result and its not bad (there are some inaccuracies, for example color #4 is pure white and I replaced that with fuscha, because the top of the blue range has the pure white color now - however little problems like this are easily corrected with translations).

It made the revenant look particularly more undeadlike, instead of semi-polished bones it looks more like the (melee only revenant which appeared here some time ago).

>>4174929
Romero is overrated

>>4174929
Following Romero into Ion Storm really fucked his career up to.

I think he still works making soulless mobile games or some shit now.

>>4175092
>tfw you keep seeing pepe in these pallette images

>>4174496
Cool stuff, senpai.

>>4174926
>magazine full of red demon jelly
It's so stupid that and I can't help but like it.

>>4175121

I know that feel bro

>>4175110
> Along with Loot Drop he unsuccessfully tried to crowdfund a game called Shaker on the crowdfunding platform Kickstarter during October 2012. Hall later tried to crowdfund another game on Kickstarter, Worlds of Wander, which was also unsuccessful in reaching its goal.

>In March 2013, Hall joined PlayFirst as Principal Designer.

>Hall provided the following voices for the computer role-playing game Deus Ex: Morpheus, a sentient AI; Howard Strong, a ruthless and cruel MJ12 operative; and Walton Simons, the nano-augmented Director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA)

Poor Tom.

>>4174496
> All of these maps consist of 7 and only 7 polygons
We should do something like that for Doom

>>4175197
zone300 is similar to what you want

>Stealth archviles

>>4175207
>Stealth anything

What are some texture packs you'd consider "essential" to spruce up visuals?

>>4175207
>>4175214
they're fun

>>4175207
>>4175214
they could at least make it drop flaming "footprints" on the ground to let you know something is there, along with that sizzle sound that the boss cubes makes

> the lava splash sprite from heretic or hexen would be just fine for this

> even the monster from the iD in the movie Forbidden Planet left giant footprints

>>4175121
>>4175183

I dont know, I saw the motion blur pepe image in the Quake 1 palette, because there was so much green in it.

But im just not seeing it in this one.

>>4174496
> that boss monster at the bottom
> looks like fingers with hot red fingernails

>>4174496
I'm probably just dumb, but I feel like the instructions for installing Aleph One are asking me to put things in folders that don't exist.

Is the "scenario" folder I need to put the executable in just the main Marathon/ folder, or Plugins, or what?

>>4175217
cc4 tex

>>4174929
>>4175186

> mfw the players *Actually* killed Tom Hall at the end of rise of the triad, since he was a character in the game
> resulting in the voodoo destruction of his career
> mfw he keeps playing characters that get killed as a voice actor, and it keeps killing his career.

> mfw killing romero's head in doom actually killed romero's career resulting in the shit quality of diakatana

> mfw john carmack wasn't a killable character in a game so his career continued to live on

>>4175261
By Shub, I think you're on to something.

>mfw john carmack wasn't a killable character in a game so his career continued to live on
Carmack was a playermodel in Q3A

>>4175240

look for the mouth, the rest should reveal itself to you.

>>4174292
>>4174298
>>4174293
>>4174275
>>4174282

huh. Well, damn. I'll take a while to concept a couple of things. I'm considering re-introducing these pointless little critters.

>>4174926
I love demonic-themed weapons like this.
>>4175145
I always thought it was the souls of the agonized.

>>4175186
Simmons was tom hall? Damn.

>>4175214
>>4175207
>Anti-Stealth kneejerk reaction meme

Literally nothing wrong with stealth unless you're a retard. Keep your senses about you. FEEL for it, don't LOOK for it. Your instincts will tell you when to shoot.

>>4174406
>>4174575
> i want this lift in my house
> shutupandtakemymoney.gif

Uhh hey guys I was just wondering what the purpose of this was in decorate code...

A_FireBullets got an addon tacked to it awhile back where you can define a projectile to launch (towards the puff generated) in addition to the gun firing

Whats the purpose of that and how might it be used?

I mean usually you would just shoot out either a blaster bolt, or a hitscan bullet, but not both. Whats the purpose of shooting both (if you're not shooting a railgun that is) since the hitscan will automatically hit, then the projectile will hit later on

> im thinking this is for kicking out shell casings, but it sets the Target as the puff object generated downrange so I have no idea why that would play a role in shell casings

I can see the utility of having a projectile go in the same direction as the trajectory of a bullet to follow that path... but senpai a bullet doesn't just half-hit you

>>4175273
spoken like a true zdoom modder

>>4173947
If anything, he always steps in to tell him to chill the fuck out.

>>4175253
I got that one already. It's good, but I need more orange textures or orange lights.

>>4175263
yes but in quake 3 arena you respawn readily, thus the death isnt actually real its fake

but still didnt he get sued a few years back for stealing someone's artwork?

>>4175273
>>4175279

I always thought it would be good to meta for something like an invisible critter that does VileChase and looks for corpses to reanimate and then goes poof.

> have it do a bunch of A_wander states with 0 tics each, then a bunch of vilechase states with 0 tics each, effect is almost immediate
> make it flying

Sorta like a resurrection missile that explodes somewhere, releases several of these things then suddenly a clump of monsters resurrect

Or like a popper skull that runs you down, explodes in your face, and then shoots out these invisible resurrectors so that it does more than just hurt you it also raises enemies all around you that you've killed.

> im giving people evil ideas and I need to stop it, because I do not want to see this shit come up in a mod at all

>>4175273
they're not fun to fight

that's the point

>>4175249
I'm not good at tech support as I'm easily confused and not good at explaining things but I'll try to help

When you download Aleph One, just extract it and let it be. There shouldn't be any more work needed. Then download the individual Marathon game and extract it. Clicking on the application inside the Marathon folder will then launch the game.
>Is the "scenario" folder I need to put the executable in just the main Marathon/ folder, or Plugins, or what?
Many people create scenario folders to be better organized. If I download a custom mapset, I can put it in a scenario folder, or just dump it into the main directory of the folder. It doesn't matter. If you're asking about total conversions, all you need to do is copy and paste the Aleph One application (Found in the Aleph One folder) and paste it into the total conversions main directory folder. If you need any more help, just ask and let me know exactly what you're trying to install.

>>4175279

I don't know if this is a compliment or an insult, which I suppose is the point.

For the speedmapping project I already know I want to include an Erasure midi.

I just don't know which.

>>4175314
a good one, preferably

>>4175314
Any that you think fits. But if it sounds like ass i'll probably ask you to find a better one.

>>4175317
Well, contenders are:

>Oh L'amour
>Sometimes
>Blue Savannah

I find Always has become too associated with a certain visual at this point.

Is there any working links for D4D v2.0.3?

>>4175214
stealth enemies always felt like a weirdly specific feature to me. they're a pretty gimmicky concept for such a base zdoom feature

>>4175295
"they're not fun to fight"

Maybe it's time to quit DOOM then?

>>4175295
>>4175271
>>4175273

Now with my insulting of others and being a fuckwit aside and dealt with, I was considering using this video for map flair as well as the music. Anybody got some good MAPPING INSPIRATION art?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FLuUFziBW4

>>4175273

You're a dumbass.

>>4175314
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MC0G-Lbuuk

>>4173771
>and the cyber ass is fantastic
The fact that you get to fug that butt is the best part.

>>4173758
and Shihong.

>>4175346
yeah, sounds good to me. maybe not play future maps from the same author would do it, but I'll go with that, sure

Anyone know what's the deal with these Doom 4 emotes?

None of these names/organizations appear in the game at all. I thought they were going to be the team names or flag logos for MP but it's just generic red vs blue.

>>4175414
It's possible they reference something that was dropped during development.

>>4175414
it's safe to say the UAC is in doom 4

>>4175413
>Literally refusing to play instead of gettin' gud.
Bizzare, but that's your call.

>>4175417
Listen ok

best dehacked

>>4175414
>Vorus
That's such an unfortunate name

>>4175428
getting a bit out of hand now though
probably not a good idea to stay here much longer

>>4175428
>>4175439

What mapset?

BloodGDX is a fantastic port and I'm really impressed with it so far. Are there any good training maps out there for learning the mechanics and tricks?

>>4175420
that's you putting words in my mouth

>>4175414
really dig those names.

>>4175440
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/m-o/osiris

>>4175420
>With all due respect this poster is suffering from anal bleeding

>>4175420
why are you so annoying?

>>4175460
It's his default state, even when he's trying to "redeem" himself.

Just some concepting before I make the 300 mins map. Likely going to go to the various islets there before encountering Icon.

>>4175092
>>4174889

While revamping my mod I decided to replace the pistol with a (semi auto, still fires pretty quick) UAC rifle (its the m41 pulse rifle recolored to be darker).

But while I was at it, since the pump shotgun is also a free starter weapon... also decided to throw in a blaster as a free starter weapon too. Pic related.

This way the player is able to use bullets, shells, and cells from the start if they need to. After the player gets the double barrel they throw the pump action away. After the player gets the plasma cannon they throw away the blaster.

(since the dps of all three weapons are roughly 65-70 points and the blaster will do 6 dice its probably going to have a 13 tic refire)

the blaster is the q2 machinegun from quake champions that someone ripped, recolored, with glowy effects

>>4175443
I like that it gets stable continuous updates every other week. it's brimfull of peeves here and there but they're very minor ones, and the palette issue I can easily overlook.

sgud.

>>4175471
>WE machinegun from quake champions
what? they put it in? when?

>>4175475
these models came from somewhere, rumor was it was quake champions, or quake legacy, or something else like that - im already using the chaingun model rip sprites

> I wouldnt know which game because I dont play modern games
> muh opengl sucks

>>4175451

Thanks very much.
I decided to take a look at this and see what was inside and what was going on, and I found something baffling.

It seems like the Dehacked redefined the gibbing deaths of the Shotgunguy and Chaingunguy so that, rather than just staying dead, they perpetually shoot out their weapons and keep on doing so for eternity.
...Okay, but why?

This seems like something that would have killed older computers.

>>4175484
>>4175475
this also was specifically the rip/alteration I got the hand from

the way this looks would be very comfy with quake 2 machinegun sounds, and pitch-shifting muzzle rise dynamic (though im not going for that in my mod exactly)

>>4175486
does the same thing happen without drifter?

>>4175494
Check how it performs in Chocolate Doom as well.

>>4175475
doesn't seem like it's congruent with the designs other gun recreations have in QC. the way the gun model is positioned is on point, though.

>>4175494
>>4175497

In GZDoom, yes, the same thing happens. You gib enemies, either with the rocket launcher or the BFG or plasma rifle or MDK, they splat and start spawning their thing everywhere.
Couldn't run in Chocolate Doom to verify, midway through map01 it gave me a fatal error crash about R_DrawSpriteRange: bad texturecolumn.

This is the sort of thing I'd need to write up a quick map-compat patch to fix, but since it's Dehacked I'm not quite sure where to begin.

>>4175467
I thought the point of speedmapping is seeing what you can come up with under a time constraint, not plan the whole damn map out before actually making it.

>>4175471
its coming along, used beta plasma sprite thing to help make a muzzle flash

>>4175207
Stealth monsters in general are pretty awful. Thank fuck its only a (g)zdoom format thing, so hardly any serious maps use them.

>>4174889
>so I did a new palette using btsx as a base

Is Essel allowing this?

>>4174889
>>4175092
>Those sprites on the left
God damn, those look sexy. Is there a mod that replaces the base sprites with that simple palette edit for all the enemies? Because if not, then there should be. I wonder if it'd work with Smooth Doom as well, 'cause that'd just be a great combo for some eye candy.

>>4175486
>>4175506
I checked in prboom+ and it doesn't happen there. Like it says in the reviews on idgames, it seems to be a fault of (G)ZDoom's dehacked interpreter that still hasn't been fixed.

>>4175527
thanks, grafbama

>>4175484
Huh. And here I thought they were trying to ignore the existence of Quake 2 to cater to salty faggots.

quakejs.com
It's Quake 3 in your browser, and it's more authentic than Quake Live, meaning mods

>>4175526
I can do this in a few minutes, and it will appear here, though like ive said it may have glitches, ill use 1024 doom palette as a basis since it doesnt juggle colors.

> then it will be lost in the morass of 4chan posts and probably not get out much

>>4175520
Its a personal mod, probably not going anywhere, definitely unofficial.
> palettes arent really something you can control

>>4175526
>>4175550

here it is, no telling if it will satisfy but most likely it will have about the same effect I got earlier, ill post some litmus tests later after dinner (or tomorrow)

>>4175520
Has anyone in the Doom community ever thrown a fit about something lie that?

>>4175414
With exception of UAC, those companies only appears trough stickers or paints on walls, from what i got from them:

1. MIXOM exists since Doom 3, makes appearance also in RAGE, they seems to provide machinery to UAC and other big companies.

2. VORUS Technologies, those are like MIXOM but i think it is more towards computers and hardware, probably laboratory stuff too.

3. TANAKA seems to be a company which provided the chinese workers whose constructed the entire facilities on Mars.

4. TITAN Offplanet Construction, alongside TANAKA they offered the equipment and premade parts of the facilities.

5. NAUTILUS idk.

6. MAGNA same as Nautilus.

>>4175601
Essel himself did when someone dared to use the textures he was going to release as a resource before he released them as a resource.

>>4175601
Permissions and usage are kind of a big thing in the community.
One thing that's really prominent that's still kind of annoying is the whole "Oh boy, a new gameplay mod! Time to rip the sprites out for my own usage and not credit anybody!" thing.

http://www.pcgamer.com/this-new-brutal-doom-gun-costs-souls-to-fire/

ok then

>>4175613
Credit is something that I understand, but permission sounds like unnecessary legwork for something that is not made for profit to be begin with.

>>4175615
Must've been a slow news week.

>>4175615

Lol.

>>4175615
Games journalism was and still is a joke.

>>4175615
>It's never been easier to make games. For Brutal Doom creator Sgt. Mark IV, all you need is a Patreon project and a profound passion for demons and gore to create great things.
Mark's not making a game, gamejournos.

>>4175615
Mark invented the Unmaker, ported Doom 64 to pc for the first time, made what the Icon of sin is supposed to look like, made the real way to play Doom, gave birth to John Romero, invented video games, discoved electricity....

Holy shit ,this is why there's people who keeps shilling other mods.

and yet you keep legitimizing this shit by giving it clicks and attention.

really makes you think

>>4175615
>Described more than two decades ago in Doom's original design document, the legendary Unmaker is back.

it's been back
you clueless idiots
you fucking retards
you dumbasses

>>4175628

i have adblock and noscript
my clicking it does literally nothing for them

>>4175616
It absolutely is, and I'd advise you to not give a fuck unless someone is throwing a fit over it.

>>4175186
glorified idea guy

>>4175628
Here you go, just for you. https://archive.is/dyHRV

>>4175616
Why does it only matter if someone's getting paid?
Free doesn't mean "I can use this use however I want for whatever I want".

>>4175628
I didn't. I'm just giving my honest thoughts on this shitty advertisement practice.

oh, and you're an idiot.

>>4175632
>implying it still makes it okay

>>4175514
it is. you do everything under a time limit. you shouldn't even know the theme of what you're doing before the timer starts.

>>4175601
yes. woe betide anyone who used the nimrod resources

>>4175635
Because if you follow the ridiculous chain of "permissions" back you end up with a situation like this 1000000000 hours in MS Paint, since 99% of all doom resources use some piece of the original game. Feel free to replace Carmack with Zenimax if it floats your boat.

>>4175613
>>4175616
>>4175635

It's worth pointing out this is exactly the sort of discussion that gave rise to the Creative Commons license.
Permissions and usage is kind of a Big Deal and can't really be summed up cleanly under a blanket umbrella or a sarcastic one-liner.

>>4175646
carmack put out the game for people to use and has actively said he doesn't give a shit

>>4175646
Carmack said he doesn't care, dude.

>>4175635
>Free doesn't mean "I can use this use however I want for whatever I want".

In this case it does. In my opinion one is a prima donna if they believe they can release resources like this online for free and still have any say or control in usage beyond release. Or believing they are owed anything beyond basic credit.

>>4175646

Carmack literally put out the game for people to modify as they want.

>>4175590
Nice. I'm not familiar with graphical changes like this, but if I wanted to use this myself would I have to put that palette image through SLADE or something?

>>4175648
>>4175649
>>4175651
Which retroactively applies to all resources derived from his work.

>>4175646
carmack put out the game for people to edit as they see fit

>>4175654

No, it doesn't.

>>4175654
nope

>>4175654
That's not how it works, no.

>>4175654

So every game engine that uses idtech code in some way should now be free?
Wow, dude.

>>4175654
>Which retroactively applies to all resources derived from his work.
do you want to know how many game engines and games still use idtech-derived code

because i'm pretty sure you have no goddamn clue

>>4175656
>>4175657
>>4175659
>>4175660
>>4175662
Ok, let me just go ahead and patent anything that's been released for free then, since that's totally how it works.

>>4175629
svkaiser must be rolling in his grave

>>4175663
you have no clue how this works, do you?

>>4175663
You're a dumbass, and the rest of you guys, stop giving him (you)s

>>4175663

You're really clueless about this, aren't you?

>>4175665
I think it's more the people saying "lol nope not how it works :^)" that have no idea how this works.
>>4175667
>>4175668
Feel free to explain in detail how the license something is released under by a dev becomes invalid when a modder changes it into a transformative work, but not when another modder uses it in their own transformative work.

>>4175670
I don't think licenses like this apply to e.g. original texture work.

Maybe for edits? But that's not easy to prove anyway.

>>4175649 >>4175651 >>4175653

>>4175660 >>4175662

>>4175665 >>4175668

look at the similarity in these posts. there's some weird hivemind going on tonight.

>>4175674
the community cares a lot about licensing and permissions
it's what happens in open-source engine communities

>>4175674
happens all the time.

>>4175672
Except they do, if no license is specified it is in fact free as in free. If one is then the license applies regardless. The people who seem to think that they can secure their own released content behind a layer of "u need to ask permishuns" but still use tools, engines, and sometimes base content secured under different licenses to do so are deluding themselves. Either transforming the work by using the resource in a new way allows the application of a new license, or it doesn't.

By the way it's the second one if your license is anything actually legal.

>>4175683
You are like a little baby, watch this https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/385750146/#385752391

>>4175674
DOOM's community is firmly rooted in forum mentality of "who did what" modding. It's and old horse, don't be surprised.

Mainly because many people in this general are zdoom and doomworld expats who can't express their hot opinions in their main communities.

>>4175692
Someone should really just tell WW to link https://creativecommons.org/licenses/ at the top of the projects forum on ZDF and a lot of idiotic drama could be avoided.

>what's that you want to use this asset? did you get the permission?
>the creator has been mia for over a decade? you better hunt him down and get that permission kid :^)

>>4175692
Pretty much any creative community is a mentality of "who did what".
Even drawthreads on anonymous image boards have people asking who the author is and if they have a tumblr/deviantart/whatever to follow.

People like making stuff. And when they like making stuff, they like to let the world know "I did this".
You'll rarely, rarely, rarely see a really impressive work by a completely unknown author.

>>4175698
personally, i would count this as a "fringe case" and would say this is the only real reason to go ahead with not getting permission
but my thoughts on the matter are simple
just message the dude and ask, takes maybe two minutes and 99% of the time they say yes anyway, and if they say no, oh well, there's like fifty other alternatives out there you can use

>>4175615
I don't have a link, but I saw an article talking about The Forgotten Sepulcher for Quake, and it said "JUST came out", but that article was like 2 days ago

>>4175698
>the creator has been mia for over a decade?
>you better hunt him down and get that permission kid :^)

This is some bullshit.

Like, I understand that they want to stop people from flat-out plagiarizing other people's work and the people don't want their mods getting broodledooped, but I think there ought to be a statute of limitations.

If a creator is inactive for a period of, let's say 5+ years, you should be able to release a version of their work, provided you do the following:

-Be absolutely transparent about what your contributions are to the project and what you intend to do with it. Credit everybody properly.
-Provide a download to the original version.

>>4175695
Honestly just be happy that all content in imageboard communities in assumed to be public by default.

Really, what happened to the idea loving and contritibuting to the community and game? Modding should never be used to measure your importance in a community, nor to be claimed as "yours".

>>4175701
True, but that's not the vision in ib culture. If you like something you contribute to it, and that's the end of it. no endless crediting, authorization, nothing.

If your stuff is appreciated by the community (or hated enough), people will remember who you are. We don't need excessive crediting and authorization nor none of that retarded drama (We already have our own style of retarded drama after all). Essentially you post the content here with the implicit understanding that you will not care about what people does with it. People will instantly call you out if you claim something that's factually untrue and people outright appropiating other's work - And even then, if the content's actually good, it will not become some sort of taboo to use it.

if you wanna discuss things here, understand that there's different rules at play. It's really annoying when people jump on defense of community rules that aren't even seen as a thing on 4chan or any other imageboard for that matter.

>>4175601
I would understand that. It was --before-- he released it, and it was a big mod he was releasing, so yeah id be upset too. But btsx has been around for a long time, people have been using the palette for awhile to make sprites, not a big deal in my opinion. Besides I made an even better palette and decided to scale back to just modifying btsx so that I could reference vanilla sprites without including them
> a downgrade
> btsx palette is inferior to mine
> if he wants to bich, he can take the one I made and use it as he wishes since its better than his

>>4175674
welcome to the collective unconscious
> jung

>>4175698
In all fairness I do provide credit for the resources I use. Usually I have absolutely NO idea who made them because I often use a google image search for spriting carnival or some other shit - so I typically leave the door open for "hey man if You made this, then you get credit"

I mentioned where I got the q2mg-turned-blaster-gun from earlier.

>>4175650
>>4175647
> ethics of copyrights

I dont think it should be legal to even charge royalties for something you made. Or tell somebody that they cant use your idea to make money at it.

It should only be legally possible to sue someone for defamation/slander for taking something you made and actively using it to troll you and make it look like shit (which would be up to the judge whether someone is making another guy's product look bad).

> this would gradually increase the quality of products, since for example cheap ass chinese knockoff shit could be (((Shut It Down))) for being cheap POS knockoffs that besmirch the quality that the inventor made it with

However, it should be written in stone for all of history that YOU are the originator and inventor of such said thing. That nobody else can take that glory from you, for making that contribution to the human race. There may be lookalikes, there may be clones, there may even be improvements, but yours is the one that started it all.

>>4175723
>Really, what happened to the idea loving and contritibuting to the community and game?
People with more ego than brains. Anything I release ever is under MIT or nothing, specifically because I don't believe in ego stroking by restricting creativity and essentially demanding tribute.

>>4175721
Like Project MSX for example. Great mod, but it's fucking OLD. It doesn't work properly in modern GZDoom, and due to its age, it had to resort to some methods to achieve things that are fairly hacky by todays standards, and would be achieved much more elegantly today.

>>4175723
>People will instantly call you out if you claim something that's factually untrue and people outright appropiating other's work

I mostly agree with your post, but this part is something I'd say is unfortunately outright wrong. We already have quite a few instances of people crediting Mark for inventing features/creating sprites that he had no hand in (and now he's aiming to be paid for these things that are based on other people's work); I suspect a lot of the current discussion about this in the community is motivated a lot by being burned on the huge gamut of randomizer/mashup wads that were all the rage in the late 00s.
We have a LOT of resources floating around the community that we don't know who made, and now we have Patreon and money entering the equation.
It's a touchy situation all around.

This is why, personally, I either try to make everything myself or make damn sure I know who made it.

>>4175531
>>4175484
It's not Quake Champs, that's way too low poly and low detail for Q:C. It's some mod someone made a while back called Quake Generations Arena that I'm not sure went anywhere but included remakes of the Q1 and Q2 weapons.

>>4175729
Furthermore I don't think it should be possible to sell licenses privately to make money with a copyrighted product... and it should never be possible to transfer the owership of a patent/copyright to someone else (to where the originator, the person who Made the thing to begin with, can no longer claim that it is theirs).

Nor should it be possible to prevent a product from being distributed freely which was protected by a copyright.

Instead the copyright office should hold a list of "waivers" that the Originator files, providing permission for someone else to use it to make money.

And under no circumstances should these ever be held confidentially, since it must be public knowledge who is able to make money from the duplication of a registered product/invention.

This would safeguard the historical record of who made what, while also preventing anyone from having their idea bought out by somebody else (which like I said, is actually harmful to the person who made it, and society, even if they were paid a handsom sum for it).

And it would also safeguard the public existence of a given idea or invention too.

> the recording industry, as well as big business in the computer industry wouldn't die, but would become just business... not big business

If you guys have a time machine you can probably go back in the past and tweak this.


>>4175740
yeah thats probably it now that you mention it, but that guy disappeared and I couldn't find a download link for the QGA...

have no idea how somebody got those rips of it...