/vr/ - Retro Games

Its great but not that great

>>4144037
>inb4 chrono niggered

You literally can't name a more perfect game.

- It's fun.
- It not only sticks to its rules, it reinvents the rules.
- Good sense of space.
- Surprises at every turn.
- Interesting characters!
- It allows ingenuity; there are no perscribed methods.
- Makes you think.
- Contributes to the betterment of society.
- Makes you rethink your assumptions.
- It encourages MISinterpretation. The game has so many potential themes, I don't even know where to begin.

Quite possibly the greatest game ever made.

>>4144037
IV was better.

>>4144062
>le edgy game
back 2 reddit.

hi edgar

>>4144037
That's the game that taught me why getting hyped up for something can be bad.

>>4144037
>FFVII
>better than any number of cRPGs
>even among the top 5 jRPGs

>>4144085
What's up?

>>4144094
>crpgs
>good

stale meme

>>4144096

>>4144110
>cRPGs
I can't believe people seriously defend Oblivion and Skyrim. Skyrim MIGHT be okay WITH MODS.

>>4144110
>being contrarian

stale meme

>>4144037
Judging by the way you typed this you sound more like a falseflagger then anything.

Anyway, yeah, there are better rpgs, and even jrpgs, and even ps1 jrpgs. I would say BoFIV is the best ps1 jrpg.

>>4144124
>falseflagger

>>4144062
>FF4 is better

honestly, i played it but i don't remember fuck all about that game other than having to defend when fighting my dark self and characters dying all the time only to comeback later

and the combat was just flat out dull and boring

in the grand scheme of things FF4 is incredibly forgettable and doesn't even compare to FF5 or FF6

>>4144130
Well if you think that FFVII is so good that every other rpg is invalidated then no, you're wrong. While good there are games greater then FFVII and even better then FFVII.

FF7 is spectacular b8, so I'm assuming that's why this thread was started. I'm guilty of engaging in long, meaningless debates about this game, and I'm ashamed. I regret being that autistic, and I regret that this stupid game has sapped so much time from me. Yeah, it's that bad.

I just want to say this: I can't fathom why people enjoy most JRPGs, and FF7 makes the least sense to me. Don't bother trying to explain it to me. I probably disagree. I guess the only point we can possibly agree at is--different people enjoy different things. I like to read about psychology/neurology, so I believe an "objective" standard of "fun" exists. But YOU have different ways of perceiving the world than I do, therefore, what you consider fun is different than what I consider fun.

Unless you have a better idea, let's just leave it at that and we'll stay in our own backyards.

>>4144337
Imagine referring to neuroscience and objective truth in an actual conversation about video games

>>4144351
Well, the unexamined life is not worth living. But to be fair, I've been pretty autistic about this subject, which was a mistake. You're into retro games for more than just the mystique/meme, right? There must be some reason old games tend to be more fun than current games, and that boils down to design. And design boils down to how we think. So it doesn't seem outrageous that it would naturally lead to objective truth and neuroscience. Yes, that's being autistic, but it's also gitting gud.

>>4144037
Obvious b8 thread, but Chrono Trigger is better than anything with "Final Fantasy" in the title/

>>4144062
I thought it was extremely bland, then again I played the DS version.

>>4144337
wow, the most useless post ever

>>4144360
I'm annoyed to hear you say that. Is there a reason for you saying this, or are you just a faggot?

>>4144037
The only good part is the first CD. The rest isn't finished.

>>4144361
Not him but looking at your post basically you said "this is bait" but made into a paragraph.

>>4144367
There's a lot more to it than that. I'd be willing to consider your side of the argument if you can explain yourself, but that's up to you. I'll just disregard your post otherwise. I've got shit to do.

>>4144357
Different strokes for different folks, man. Sometimes a game just doesn't click. I like retro games because I like retro graphics, mostly. It sparks my imagination. Sometimes they're creatively designed. I think modern games are definitely more socially oriented, which is fun for a completely different reason than, say, a great point-and-click or platformer. I think looking at the neuroscientific level totally overcomplicates it. As I get older I realize that I really need to prioritize things, or things just end up passing me by. I don't worry about which games I do or don't enjoy. There's just too much going on for that. But that's just me.

>>4144368
All I'm saying is I don't get why you added that point that you don't like jrpgs or FFVII, that's okay but I don't get it's relevance. Just say this is a shitty bait thread.

>>4144375
>I think looking at the neuroscientific level totally overcomplicates it. As I get older I realize that I really need to prioritize things, or things just end up passing me by. I don't worry about which games I do or don't enjoy. There's just too much going on for that. But that's just me.
Well, if you had to write a thesis paper on why each game is neurologically justifiable before you play every game, that's obviously a pain in the ass. I wouldn't wish that upon anyone, including myself. Sometimes you play an imperfect game and enjoy it because all the ducks are in a row.

But I am saying if you're a designer, or if you happen to be interested, it would make perfect sense to learn how the brain works and why it works that way.

>>4144376
It was important to me to seal the deal on this issue because I've been going back and forth about this game for a long time. You're saying I'm using too many words to say "bait" and move on, but since you've responded to me twice I assume you want to hear an explanation. There it is. I don't mean to sound like I'm strawmanning you, but if you're asking why I think my opinion on FF7 is relevant to a FF7 thread, I'm not sure what you want from me.

>>4144384
Does a painter need to know what makes people consider art impactful to be a painter? Does a director rely solely on focus groups to distinguish cinematic quality? I know this is the 'video games as art' thing, but looking at it from purely a dopaminergic and cerebral level is just weird. Doom's a good game because it was made at the right time by the right people. And again, maybe writing a thesis on the neuroscience of retro video games isn't the best thing to do if you're intelligent enough to do it.

Lol PlayStation sucked and Final Fantasy is for autists. Burn in hell Sony, long life PS4 and PC gaming, fucking niggers.

>>4144056
>Quite possibly the greatest game ever made

A turn based game who's "gameplay" consists of selecting options on a menu.
>GAMEplay
>video GAME
no. just no.

If you like the story and characters, fine. Those aspects are nice. But as a game???? I guess changing the settings on your computer is a fun game too. That exciting menu selecting gameplay tho!

>>4144124
This. This game is better than any post SNES FF.

>>4144361
it's useless because you made an entire text about how you have discussed this game in the past, which is completely irrelevant.

then you say you don't like the game but there's no point in discussing it with you because you have accepted the fact that it's just not for you and that different people like different things.

so your post is one part an irrelevant text about yourself that you decided to share for some unknown reason and the other part is about how further discussion has no point whatsoever. I mean, yeah it's true but it's the most useless post I have seen so far. not only doesn't it make a statement of somesort, it wastes the readers time.

>>4144037
4bait

>>4144421
Are you retarded or are you just pretending?
Tactic is part of the gameplay otherwise SRPGs wouldn't qualify as games.

>>4144037
It's not even the best in its own series

>>4144037
5>9>6>7>4>1>>>>10>12>8>>>>>>>>>2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>13

>>4144459
Speaking of which, FF Tactics is the best Final Fantasy game

>>4144421
>"it's doesn't count because I say so"
Fuck off. I'm sick of this "Unless you 1CC some bullshit hard arcade game you're not a real gamer" bullshit I see from /vr/ occasionally. It's these dumb elitist that think the sentiment "gameplay over everything else" means "gameplay ad nothing else". Games are more then gameplay, though gameplay is always the most important aspect.

Mario RPG is better, best JRPG ever made.

>>4144469
Wow you like 13, 2, and 8 more than 10? Interesting, most people like 10, 6, 7 the most.

>>4144459
>ff7
>strategy
You mean the: attack heal attack heal grind attack heal attack heal grind attack heal win game, strategy? If that's what you call "strategy" sure?

ff tactics and games like it have more strategy. At least in those games have a character placement on game board to attack element similar to chess to it. FF 7 is just grind attack heal win, the game.

>>4144475
This. Unironically.

>>4144495
You don't know how to read greater than signs, do you?

>>4144483
>video GAME
>GAME
reading dialogue and watching FMVs isn't gameplay. Reading opinions on a menu and selecting them isn't gameplay.

Fuck off. I guess those visual novels are games all the sudden now too right?

>>4144037
It isn't even very good. It's incomplete, it's messy, it has too much grinding, the world is ugly, the characters are cardboard, the "amazing Materia system" is little more than magic through accessories, the combat is mediocre, the graphics are weak, and it gets boring by half way in.

I don't think it's terrible, but I never understood why it's so praised. It's really average.

>>4144497
>grind
>in FF7
You only need to grind for emerald and ruby.
FF7 is easy and the gameplay isn't particulary good, but if you actually need to grind for the story then you just suck at the game.

>>4144520
No, VNs aren't games. I get you like bragging about about games you never played online to impress people but you don't need to be a fag and shit on people for liking different games then you do.

>>4144539
>you never played
Except I have though junior, that's why I'm commenting on them, projecting much?

I don't know man, maybe it's just FF games in general for me but it just didn't hook me at all. The midgar section was pretty fun since it felt different than other FF games but afterwards it just fell flat in my opinion. I've tried 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 9, and X and they all sorta had that bland taste. I mean they all did things differently but they felt the same to me. I will give it to you that the backgrounds in the game are top notch, and the setting was extremely cool.

>>4144430
>it's useless because you made an entire text about how you have discussed this game in the past, which is completely irrelevant.
I'm not sure why you're in the business of going around routing out irrelevant posts. You must be very busy.

>so your post is one part an irrelevant text about yourself that you decided to share for some unknown reason and the other part is about how further discussion has no point whatsoever. I mean, yeah it's true but it's the most useless post I have seen so far. not only doesn't it make a statement of somesort, it wastes the readers time.
Mate, I know that a lot of people discuss this game at length. If that wasn't the case, you'd never see a thread about it on this board, nor would the OP think it's good bait, if that was his original idea.

If further discussion about a subject was always useless, meta threads, for example, wouldn't exist, nor would you have any thinking about thinking, and nobody would get anywhere. I'm not trying to be condescending, but I guess you have a misguided desire for efficiency when a) having a casual conversation, and b) having a casual conversation about subjective taste.

I'd argue my post was quite relevant and in fact necessary in the interest of seeing the forest for the trees. At some point, what you imagine to be a waste of time/not a waste of time is also subjective, so your desire for posters to be utilitarian about what they express doesn't seem like it helps anyone.

>>4144560
FF games in general have always been decent at best and extremely overhyped. If you want a JRPG that will give you bang for your buck then play Chrono Trigger.

>>4144037
I know this may start a war, sorry in advance, I'll try to saw this in the least offensive way. I don't dislike FF7 I just never really understood the reverence its given. I've heard the revolutionary game argument, but still I just don't understand why it's held up as the pinnacle of FF, RPGs, Gaming, etc.

>>4144641
>I'm not sure why you're in the business of going around routing out irrelevant posts
how is you having discussed the game relevant? how is you feeling regret about having discussed the game so much in any way relevant? It doesn't say anything about the game it's just you telling something about yourself.

>If further discussion about a subject was always useless,
no, that's not my point. my point is your post didn't warrant any discussion. your post did absolutely nothing in any way possible.
you didn't say anything about the game. you just told people that discussing the game with you will lead to nothing so you rather skip the whole ordeal. you know what would have had the same result? you not posting at all.

>I'd argue my post was quite relevant and in fact necessary in the interest of seeing the forest for the trees.
how is it in any way necessary? "hey I've discussed this game already, pls don't discuss it with me now because everybody has their own idea of what's fun. bye". it's fucking useless. you came and went and left nothing. you could've as well not come at all.

>>4144642
Not >>4144560
Played Chrono Trigger for the first time a year ago and found the game boring. I would even call it one of the worst RPGs I ever finished.
I even disliked the music and I normally love retro RPG soundtracks.

>>4144641
>>4144664
but I'm going to end it right now because you yourself have said you're autistic about these things and I didn't mean for my initial reaction to start a fucking discussion with someone sharing their great insights like "it's all subjective"
and if you really don't understand why your post was useless as shit then you other (social) problems than some anon pointing it out.

>>4144524
See >>4144535
The game is ridiculously easy even by FF standards, if you have to grind then you're literally retarded. Also I know the characters being "cardboard" has been the hot meme for a decade, but they were actually quite fleshed out and well developed before they were shat all over in the compilation. The only thing you got right was the game being incomplete, everything else is purely subjective with nothing to back it up.

>>4144037
Yes 8

Honestly six is better.

7 Stands out because they got all the extra storage space from the CD. Plus good 3D when 3D was just starting out.

>>4144672
>Also I know the characters being "cardboard" has been the hot meme for a decade, but they were actually quite fleshed out and well developed before they were shat all over in the compilation.
This, I can't believe how many people believe that Aerith was pure or that Cloud was the edgy emo with no emotions.

>>4144669

>>4144037
Seriously now who's the 6fag constantly making these falseflagging bait threads every day?

>>4144056
>- Contributes to the betterment of society

>>4144094
>cRPGs
You tried. A gerne so shitty, that JRPGs replaced them as early as the retro age.

>>4144037
I actually didn't play any other FF game for a long time because I figured it would never get any better. While I was right I am still glad I eventually played some other ones in the series.

>>4144337
Ever read Consciousness and the Social Brain my Michael Graziano?

i was thinking about this thread on the toilet and i have formulated a response

i think, at the very least, FF7 is the best of it's genre within the 2 generations it occupies (ps1/n64/sat - ps2/gcn/dc/xbox) - i pair those 2 generations together here because they represent a sortof bracket of technology that is significantly different from the preceeding 2d generations and not yet at the level of fidelity and expanse you see with ps3/360/ps4/xb1

so I think at the very least, FF7 is the finest game of it's genre from that period - i think it's very easy to also say it is the finest of it's genre period, and that no other games since or before have surpassed it in such a complete way as to be widely considered even an equal

there are many reasons why it is commonly cited as one of the best games ever made period, and while opinions will always differ and so will tastes and on and on, i think the broad concensus is that FF7 is a fantastically important game in the history of the medium and it was groundbreaking in many ways, and it will be a monumentally tall order for anything to equal it's success and beloved-ness (can't think of an appropriate word there)

that's what i think about it anyways, i very much love the game and have played through it many times, i'm sure there are greater fans than I but I count myself as lucky and grateful to have experienced it in it's time, and I think many would share in those feelings

Does /vr/ really need another /v/ tier shitposting thread?
Sage.
Keep this board clean.

>>4145593
you ain't from around here are you boy

>>4144695
In what aspects is 6 better?

>>4144037
literlay baby's first ARPEEGEE

>>4144037

>It's there any point in playing RPGs once you've played this?

Well, there's no point in playing any other RPGs from Japan. Move on to Daggerfall, Fallout 1 & 2, and Planescape: Torment.

>>4146537
why not play a genre with good game play and writing that isn't tabletop autism adopted for lonely virgins? something like JRPGs

>>4146558

>Final Fantasy VII
>not made for lonely virgins

>>4144124
>BoFIV
>Not BoFIII
You wot, mate?

>>4145430
Sega CD has better RPGs damn game it's overblown by fanboys, something we know a lot.

>>4146737
This> I rather enjoyed the first US releases of Lunar, Vay, etc

>>4146767
> the first US releases of Lunar
>vic Ireland shit
Yuck

To be Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy 7 are both the pinnacle of the "JRPG". Not so much because they're "the best", but rather that they both encapsulate what made (the past-tense is important) the entire genre worth caring about in the first place.

VI and IX are the superior games

>>4144428
It's even better than the SNES FF
>inb4 kefka
Second most overrated villain after Sephiroth. Fou-Lou blows both of them out of the water.

>>4144363
>The only good part is the first CD. The rest isn't finished.

You sure you aren't talking about this game?

>- Contributes to the betterment of society.
>Shinra is remaking it right now.
>This post is sponsored by Shinra

>>4147839
Broooookeeeen miiiiiiirrrooooor,
A million shades of light!

>>4147839
probably not, because the second disc is good too

>>4147567
>I only played CT & FF7

>>4147824
FF5 is better

>>4146727
IV is better then III.

>>4148818
nah b
> 3 better music over all
> 3 had more useful characters overall
>3 actual dragon transformations instead of the static one
>fairy maintenance is a bit much in 4
> too many lose ends during the ending in 4

>>4149169
> 3 better music over all
Debatable, I prefer the mix of Western and Eastern music to the jazzy feel of III's soundtrack but I can get liking III's more.
> 3 had more useful characters overall
This is just a lie. In IV everyone will see use due to combat system allowing everyone in your party. I would say everyone is pretty good and no one is really useless. In III some characters are just outclassed. Basically every person uses the same team in III, Ryu, Rei, and Momo. Garr, Nina, and Peco require way more dedication to make viable and often are just benched. Nina is really a shame since magic in III is just kind of shitty overall.
>3 actual dragon transformations instead of the static one
III's system is overrated in my opinion. On paper it's a great system but ultimately some genes are just kind of shitty and will never be used. Not to say IV's system is amazing but I wouldn't argue III's as anything amazing.
>fairy maintenance is a bit much in 4
I never really had much of a problem with fairy maintenance in either. In IV all I did was check in occasionally and once I got Ursula I would hunt food for them every so often.
> too many lose ends during the ending in 4
I feel IV's ending is brilliant. The fact Yuna escapes with no consequence is a great twist that really makes you feel that Fou Lu's position, while wrong, was more understandable and adds depth to the story. With III I like the story but I feel it wasn't used to it's full potential. I wish there was some questioning as to whether Myria is fully wrong in her ambitions. It's an interesting story but I feel they barely touch on it.

I like both games but I find IV greatly superior personally but respect your opinion.

I liked FF3(J) and FF5 the best. Love the class systems.

>>4149245
>Garr, Nina, and Peco require way more dedication

Just use the lavaman trick, have fahl assigned as peco's master and he is a tank for the ages.
Same with Nina on Deis or Emitai magically speaking.
Garr was never that bad, he was just a tad slow.

Nah, b Yuna needed to be dealt death! No other Jrpg ever let the bad guy get away like that, he should have gotten his shit kicked in right after the dragonslayer incident. They just brushed him of truth be told

>ith III I like the story but I feel it wasn't used to it's full potential.

She was batshit insane, end of story.
>Dragon clan killed
>tech can't progress
>supposed perfect world but there was still crime
>Released killer mutants onto the world to keep people in check.

What part of her logic wasn't fucked dude.

>>4149169
And II is better than III

What a stupid question. Just because you heard what you think is the best song doesn't mean you stop listening to other music.

And FFVI, Chrono Trigger and Suikoden II are better than FFVII.

>>4149502
I feel like killing Yuna would have just made it a generic "happy end" where everything turns out okay. Having a ending where things are better but the events of the game had a serious effect on the world is really coll to me.

I guess I should have worded it better. Myria is obviously a crazy bitch but I feel like they could of framed her better. I wish the mystery of "Maybe what's she saying makes some sense". Like for example, I think it may have been cool if the party started to doubt themself, decide to maybe follow Myria for awhile, then start to see how batshit insane she is. I still like the story though.

>>4144037
There are several rpg's better than FF7. Like ff6.

>>4149502
>>4149576
Isn't there a bit at the end of III where after you beat Myria, she kinda collapses and wonders why everything went wrong when she just wanted to protect the people and Deis shows up and says something about people needing to find their own path.

I wish they had explored more of that in the game. Where Myria is this extremely over protective mother who's smothering her children.

Name a better JRPG than pic related

Protip: You can't.

>>4146680
This board is for retro games, not retro memes

>>4144056
>quite possibly the best game ever made

doesn't the jewel case literally say that on the back? Come to think of it, is this post just a verbatim copy of the back of the game case?

>>4150351
Yeah, Deis will come to tell her where everything went wrong. As I said, i think the material was interesting enough for a better plot they just don't really use the material to it's potential.
>>4150475
While good I would say there are even better snes jrpgs. Still a good game.

>>4150475
Terranigma

>>4151274
i believe it is exactly what it says on the back of the box.

>>4144056
I agree with most of this but not the "it's fun" part.

If you enjoy JRPG's, why not just play with a calculator while watching anime?

>>4144037
this game is overhyped garbo, and V and VI was better, and arguably so was IV, but the beginning was fucking retarded.

Thing about old classics is newer games can and have learned from and improved on their ideas.

As much as I love a good nostalgia trip the future holds the advantage, it's literally got the rest of gaming history to surpass my old favs.

>>4144337
The main appeal of jrpgs for me is the sense of progression thats derived from the increasing numbers in the form of levels and stats increase wich is also reflected in the increasing powerlevel of the enemies (from wild animals to literal gods), no other genre gives me the same sense of progression.
If you can't see the appeal of that then its just not a genre for you.

>>4153340
You just mash attack and see your stats get bigger. It's not actual progression, it's a jewish trick to deceive your brain into thinking you've progressed, but it's only artificial progress.

>>4153312
FFXIII and its sequels were shit, FFXV is dogshit, FFXI and FFXIV are literally mmo's. and the last half decent one was XII

>>4153346
You've literally used the word literally correctly this time.

>>4144037
yeah

>>4144037
Never been able to play anything else since I played FF7. This game was the perfection of RPGs

>>4144056
>Quite possibly the greatest game ever made.

That would be Ocarina of time

as>>4144421 said, games are more than menus

>>4153501
>That would be Ocarina of time
lol buggy as shit and can be beaten in 12 minutes

>>4153503
Never encountered any bug and I am not autistic enough to use glitches to finish it in 12 minutes, WTF? Go back to Overwatch

>>4144037
it was the best of its time but jrps have really fallen behind lately. it cant compare to more high tech games today like skyrim and witcher.

>>4153513
Americans dominated the videogame industry like they did with Hiroshima.

>>4144037

it's ok

>>4153513
Jrpg is not a genre.

>>4146558
He's right.