/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT EVENTS ===

QUMP
-Two maps still in progress
-https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Zlfb2U2VCeS70uS6Klc2ZEOC9KtnYyCyBXEmeetjh0c/edit
-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp_ZqCZPJKk

OP
-2016 torrent of idgames archive is gone; needs replacement?
-Looking for more unique images to start each thread with

=== NEWS ===

[7-20] New Insanity's Requiem release
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=37130&start=480#p1010044

[7-20 High Noon Drifter release rate
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=57098&hilit=terminusest13&start=75#p1009799

[7-20] BloodGDX 0.771 released, fixes ROR
http://m210.duke4.net/

[7-19] Colorful Hell got updated to 0.90; adds gibs and White Archvile
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=47980

[7-16] Spaceman333's proper release of his slow motion addon, adds actual slow-mo
http://www.moddb.com/games/doom-ii/addons/slomobullettime-ultimate-r3

[7-14] Anon shares a Masters of Doom audiobook
>>/vr/thread/4117396#p4117883

[7-9] New test build of TerminusEst's High Noon Drifter available
https://www.dropbox.com/s/t84eaksqg5au9gx/HighNoonDrifter-prerelease_final.pk3?dl=1

[7-3] Anon makes a joke map while waiting for QUMP
https://mega.nz/#!lQQSSIjC!TtptcHyxmxi0STHHkYm067tbfCm8yBI77CiIsUIC18k

[7-3] ROOTPAIN V2; the sequel nobody wanted
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/94860-rootpain-v2/

[7-2] scalliano's SUPER Shuffle released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=56220

[7-1] Doom Retro 2.5 released
https://www.doomworld.com/profile/13784-bradharding/?status=1728077&type=status

[6-29] Wildweasel releases No Shotguns For You 2, replacing all shotgun-related entities with automatics
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=57073&p=1006547

=== PREVIOUS ===

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=== PROTIP ===

If you would like to submit any news or your personal map or mod releases here, or want to contribute to the OP, please reply/backlink to the OP or this post.

HUUH

>>4132838

>>4132807
Is there a Doom map where the majority is spent swimming underwater or floating in space? I have an itch to shoot space cacodemons for some reason.

>>4132847
Golden Souls 1 has a moonbase map with a sizeable outside area.

>>4132847
Deus Vult II had some of that.

It's a serious slaughterfest though (but a beautiful one), so I hope you have the energy for it, as well as the processor.

>QUMP
>Two maps still in progress
>Deadline was nearly 3 months ago

>>4132861
i'm starting to wonder if qump is actually this hotly-demanded or if it's just one autist who thinks complaining about it every thread will magically make it poof out

I want to FUCK the big demon muscle girl!

>>4132763
>Zero mention of what's actually changed/new in the update
This guy's not very good at informing people.

>>4132861
On the plus side - we're making progress and its paying off. It's amazing what time and effort can do to a map.
The deadlines were always "rough" deadlines and we ended up removing them in favor of encouraging people to map.

Alright, need to post it again because I'm desperate.

I get this error message every time I try to run DoomRPG+RLArsenal. Can anyone help me? I'm at a total loss here.

>>4132963
>Can anyone help me?
nope
the inner workings of doomrpg have long been a mystery, and the creators have perpetually been as informative as a wet rug

>>4132963
DoomRPG was updated to be compatible with a version of Arsenal that isn't even out yet. The thread on the ZDoom forums has a link to an older version that still works with Arsenal.

>Doom 4 got a 35 GB update
>Just to unlock all multiplayer DLC to everyone

Christ.

>>4133001
So? You don't have to download it.

>>4132992
Okay, I got the compatible version to work and thankfully it finally runs!

Now, I only have one issue: Opening the Armor info tab crashes the game. While possible to play like this, it's not ideal. Any suggestions?

thanks guise i knew I could count on you :)

>bigass map
>different areas looks almost the same
>always forget to save after clearing at least half
>secret map exit god knows where
BTSX2 is gonna be the end of me.

>>4133012
Scratch that, it's the Hud Weapon/Mod info key that crashes the game. Lemme play around and see if it's only an issue with certain weapons then.

>>4133018
Okay yeah, does it regardless of what you're using. Again, I'm stumped. Ideas?

>>4133004
I'm just wondering why something that reportedly changes a few underlying systems that likely already has assets for all the shit installed for compatibility reasons warrants such a size. I know that data caps aren't as anal as they were before, but what the fuck? And I thought Starbound was ridiculous for having a 500 MB hotfix.

>>4133001
>>4133034
Probably this happened because they said they overhauled the MP including the menu and HUD, this means they changed the images stored in the game which leads to guess what...

MEGATEXTURES™

>>4133041
>MEGATEXTURES™

They're still using those? I guess that explains it, but goddamn.

>>4133001
>NOT ENOUGH DISK SPACE

Hahaha oh wow.

>>4133042
Megatextures or no, games in general are getting ridiculous for the amount of space they take up.

Personally, I like the tech behind megatextures but they do make modding a bitch.

>>4133042

Whenever you see an id Tech game with a folder called "virtualtextures" filled with a bunch of files that have .pages as extension this means such game is using this shit.

And well, i think the update is 36GB because they had to recompile certain megatextures to the thing work properly and considering this thing smashes everything into a 48000x48000 image i guess we just downloaded again a unecessary portion of the game.

>>4133050

Me as well, i understand that what Carmack wanted with this is give the mappers more freedom to make the map art in whatever way they want but this also makes everything else a bitch to work with once the game is compiled.

About the ridiculous amount of space... welcome to the 8th console generation where everything is made out of 4K textures.

>>4133050
>they do make modding a bitch

doom 4 has modding???

>>4133064
Nope, but from what we had of modding in RAGE, guess that it should be hard as well if we had it.

>>4132870
There are at least two of us. Possibly three!

>>4132954
Damn do I want it to release already, though.

>>4132838
Classic

Oh god damn it, why did I agree on this?

Well now the Blazter uses ammo and shoots bullets, along with spewing spent casings when firing. All that's left is to make the bullets valid and useful for crowd control/sword focused gameplay.

Fuck.

>>4133126
Might wanna tweak ejection timing a bit. It looks like gun is fires and ejects casing during the same frame.

>open up Doomseeker for late night fuckery
>only a couple servers populated, much less ones containing more than one person

What happened? I remember being able to jump into a good handful of populated servers last time I got the Doom itch.

>>4133158
Best-Ever is kill aka no longer the best ever

>>4133186
but there is a similar replacement, no?

>>4133242
TSPG is very similar, but it doesn't seem to have a sizable amount of users like BE used to rack up

>>4133230
Finna?

>>4133251
'fixing to' in ebonics

>>4133251
>>4133258
i think it's more likely a typo of "gonna", note f/g and i/o are adjacent on qwerty layout.

>>4133249
I like it

>>4133126
The projectiles look like blobs of cum.

>>4133447
I'd say big marshmallows if anything, you might be jerking off too much.

>>4132861

I'm the one that dropped his map so they could reach the deadline

>>4133001

I don't know what are people complaining, there are 12 tb hard drives for consumers, jeez, a 1 tb hard drive costs $100

unless you live in the land of the free where data caps are rampant

>>4133539
>game runs like shit
>just buy a new graphics card lmao

how bout devs optimise their shit better

>>4133545

dude, I bought my first 1 tb drive in 2010

>>4133539
disk is only cheap if you don't care about losing your data

>>4133547

RAID my anon

>>4133545

I agree on games running like shit but 1 tb hd where introduced in 2007

>>4133547

>what are google drive, dropbox, onedrive, etc

and those are the shitty ones

>>4133545
Doom 4 is one of the most well optimized videogames in recent memory, you can have pretty good graphics even when running it on a toaster and low settings.

>>4133554

this, I'm playing it with an 8 years old gpu (5870) on medium settings

>>4133539
If you followed discussion earlier it was more about why the update's size was roughly a little more than half of the game's own

>>4133559

well, for a start, it includes 3 dlcs, a revamped snapmap (it includes new props) and revamped multiplayer (I think id scrapped what certain affinity did)

also, the game takes 11 gb LESS than before

>>4133575
Weren't some of those DLCs multiplayer ones where everyone would have to have the assets anyway?

>Game takes less space

I guess that's nice for those without as much space.

>>4133559

looks like they merged sp and mp

>>4133575
what new props?

>>4129398
>>4129420
God fucking damn it this is so annoying, although copying contents of a map and pasting it onto a new one solves this problem it solves it only temporarily(and not always solves it), the map gets randomly corrupted almost every time it is compiled
I wanted to map for quake but Im breaking my balls here trying to just test a simple fucking square map but looks like even that is too much for my trash computer
If a simple clone of dead simple in quake is posing this many difficulties I give up mapping

>>4133580
Is Doomguy doing this?

Is there a CVAR or something for Call of Doom that enables simply holding right click for iron sights instead of clicking to get in and out?

>>4133710
/v/ does annual Squilliam collages for E3.

>>4133706
That sounds like you've got a wrong set of tools someplace, or maybe you're repeatedly screwing something up in TB. Compiling a map shouldn't touch the original map file at all, it makes its own copy which it compiles into a .bsp, then runs light and vis on the new file.

Your trash computer shouldn't have anything to do with it- remember, people were making maps with much harder to use tools back in '96 on computers with a 486 CPU and no dedicated graphics card, modern computers will compile maps so much faster it's unbelievable. Are you using Trenchbroom's built-in compile menu? I've never used that and have never had any issues, try using an external compiler instead (like necros's compiling GUI: https://shoresofnis.wordpress.com/2010/03/30/ne_q1spcompilinggui/)) and make sure the compiling tools themselves are up to date, whether you're using the original id qbsp/vis/light or ericw's feature-rich branch.

>>4133710
That guy kinda looks like Stomedy

So I did the rifleman dude over a bit, colored his shoulder pads, gave him a hat, etc.

Subgun guy has a different helmet so he's easier to tell apart from shotguy at a glance.

Chainsaw guy has a colored up armor now, as well as a pair of goggles. Also he's covered in old sticky blod, and dies very violently, gurgling up lots of fresh blood.

I'm unsure of if I'll even fit in the chaingun commando, because he won't drop his weapon, but here's a concept for him.

The lanky pale red creature with shivs for arms is supposed to have a small chance of replacing the Spectre. He'll do much of the same things but he might dodge to the side in his painstate (if I figure out how to do that), and he'll hit a bit faster sometimes. On the other hand he'll take less of a beating than a Pinky.

Also there's some of the pickup sprites if you wanted to look at them in detail.
Lots of other stuff still being worked on.

>>4133732
eyyy nice work there, those guys all look fairly distinct from one another.

>>4133732
Colours are too similar imo. Look how hard it is to tell the chainsaw, shotgun and subgun guys apart from behind.

>>4133751
Chainsaw guy I feel looks pretty distinct from shotguy, but what should I do more to the third guy?

>>4133753
Darken his helmet maybe, put blood on his back? I dunno.

>>4133765
His helmet is already pretty dark. I'll think of something.

>>4133724
I guess you're right about old computers
I use Necros GUI but since it doesn't modify the .map file it must be something with TB, I'll return to it tomorrow

>Jungle level inspired by Plutonia, with a mayan pyramid from that cancelled D64 level screenshot
>Maybe something to do with the Egypt level from TNT
>Warehouse level inspired by E2M2 with references to NRFTL, Doom 3 and the TNT truck
>Flesh level with references to that NuDoom multiplayer map
>City level with a reference to the cancelled Doom 4
>Phobos level with references to the Doom bible, maybe using that unused chair sprite
>Blue foggy level based on that secret D64 level (In The Void) and some stuff do to with the PS1 port
>Hell levels that mix the aesthetics of both classic Doom and Doom 64 and perhaps D3 and 4 as well
>References to D2's master levels maybe?

MetaDoom levelpack when?

>>4133801
>References to D2's master levels

>>4133804
Were all bad?
I though bloodsea keep was alright, even if it's the only good one.
It would be neat to see this castle in an ocean of blood merged with D64's gothic aesthetic.
I dunno.

>>4133807
I would say you could skip like half of them and be better off. I felt a lot of them were a bit samey and boring.

The Mausoleum level can go and fuck right off though.

>>4133801
I wrote up plans for a MetaDoom mapset at one point, it probably won't ever be acted on because lol mapsets for gameplay mods.

> big tribute to techbases in general - doom e1, doom 3 mars city, doom rpg tycho station, doom 4 whitecollar...
> doom 3 mars city underground filtered through doom2 map02
> non-linear keyhunt inspired by doom 4 foundry with elements of doom e2 and doom1 map09
> spiderfest blending doom3 alpha labs and doom2 map26.
> outdoor map inspired by doom 4 first level and doom 3 outdoor areas
> big damn science lab inspired by doom 4 bfg division and maybe some doom 3 intro stuff
> hell! doom e3, doom2rpg gehenna, doom 4 kandigir sanctum blended together
> one last key hunt before motherdemon boss. themed on doom e3m7, doom64 map 28, and doom 4 final level
> obligitory wolfenstein secret map

the map names were all (or mostly) taken from the board games, because how else would i reference them?

>>4133801
>>4133807
Bloodsea Keep with something to do with the secret mansion level from PS1 Doom.

>>4133801
>>4133807
>>4133823
>>4133825
Kinsie, you there?

>>4133001
>>4133539
Devs have gotten extremely lazy. When there were limited resources game devs optimized their shit. Now that there is an unlimited supply of resources with multiple TBs of harddrive space and well over 100 GB of RAM, devs have just gotten lazier and think the more resources you use up, the better the game is. Needing 60 GB HDDs and 8 GB of RAM will soon become the standard and only will get worse from here.

>>4133829
What time period are you from where you think a 60GB hard drive is sizeable?

>>4133829

>8 GB of RAM

I think we have passed that point anon...

>>4133829
>60GB HDD
>8GB RAM
Hello, modest computer from 10 years ago.

>>4133827
i'm not adding the heart (even though i basically added what it would have done to jpf lmbo)

>>4133829
>>4133831
gamedevs are fucking lazy pieces of shit for not making their new games work on my cum-spattered pc-98, please accept my chick-style tract about how hardware graphics acceleration is a tool of the lizard people

>>4133831
>>4133838
>>4133839
Games don't need to be this gigantic.

>>4133840
Did you also complain when games started to come out on CDs that were like 500mb and didn't fit on a standard HD?

Times change, a 60GB hard drive was big in the year 2000, if you haven't noticed, that was a fucking long time ago.

>>4133840
Yeah, remember when games were like, 250kb? Those were the days!

>>4133840
please stop quoting me from when i was trying to install medieval 2: total war 11 years ago, tia

"12gb?!?!? this is madness!!!"

>>4133847
And games no longer are being released on CDs. I sure hope you enjoy someday spending days to download a gigabyte sized video game in the future, it's the future you chose.

>>4133839
Can you add an option to enable hitscan?
I just want to make things more challanging with the former commando and assassin.

>>4133850
I don't live in fucking rural Wyoming, so that won't be a problem for me.

Sorry that you're incapable of getting with the times.

guys

how many fps should I have with gzdoom 3.2 and project brutality + ultimate doom visor on:

• Intel i7 920 2.66 GHz @ 4.00 GHz
• Asus P6T
• OCZ Platinum 3x2 GB 1.6 GHz Triple Channel
• Western Digital Blue 2x1 TB SATA II RAID0
• Sapphire R9 270x 2 GB PCI-E

everything is on 1080p low/disabled

>>4133850
Games are released on BluRay these days, for the precise reason that internet connections aren't always stellar in all places.

>>4133829
How big is your hard drive?

>>4133851
Possible, but not planned. (Pretty sure it'd also make the shield wall even more useless than it already is) Sorry to disappoint!

So I dyed his shoulder pads red, to make him stand out more compared to the others. I think this should work, unless you're Kegan, in which case I'm sorry.

>>4133852
>>4133854
If it's a steam only game, it'll just come with a code to unlock it for steam and the CD is now completely worthless. This DRM driven marketplace is where vidya is heading and it's not good. BluRay isn't even standard yet, GTA V from 2015 came out on 7 DVDs.

guys

how many fps should I have with gzdoom 3.2 and project brutality + ultimate doom visor on:

• Intel i7 920 2.66 GHz @ 4.00 GHz
• Asus P6T
• OCZ Platinum 3x2 GB 1.6 GHz Triple Channel
• Western Digital Blue 2x1 TB SATA II RAID0
• Sapphire R9 270x 2 GB PCI-E

everything is on 1080p low/disabled

>>4133860
Get a better connection than a phone modem from 1997

>>4133860
>If it's a steam only game, it'll just come with a code to unlock it for steam and the CD is now completely worthless
I thought only Capcom did that, and everyone loudly complained about it

>>4133865
If a game requires steam and you need an account to be able to play it, it will only come with a one time code to assign it to your account. Games that can be bought on steam, but don't require it to play it like quake 3 or doom 2 don't do that.

stop buying games. let the industry crash.

>>4133898

I'll have sex before that

>>4133898
get a job

>>4133898
i unironically want this to happen so that EA can learn

>>4133898
>>>/gg/

>>4133861

somebody?

it's because I mentioned project brutality?, isn't it?

>>4133898
Wrong board?

>>4133980
More like wrong site entirely.

>>4133980
>/vr/
No, u?

i like how that's on a different ip

>>4133989
No, he's right, you should fuck off with that.

>>4133839
Did you just ditched a planned feature for your mod because of spammed Tumblr asks?

>>4133980
it was in reply to all the complaints about games having less quality and optimization due to developers getting lazier. i'm saying vote with your wallet and stop buying them then. you're right it's offtopic on /vr/ but you were already talking about a game newer than 1999, so there you have it.

>people forget about horrible fads like Full Motion Video games
>or obtuse and weird DRM
>or games inexplicably just not working even though your system specs matches
I'll take Steam over going back to the 20th century, thank you.

>>4134018
>obtuse and weird drm

that shit always makes me laugh when i see it.

>>4134025
I could deal with code wheels and entering phrases from the manual, but those dark red code sheets, or dongles, those were kind of gay.

I've never used a code prism but those seem like they were the worst thing ever, fucking weird idea.

>>4134018
FMV games ranged from terrible to so bad it's good to "what the fuck did I just watch?". Look up Psychic Detective. It falls in the latter category. Too bad I can't find any of these games any more.

>>4133861
if pb & udv can run on my toaster with max blood & janitor on gibs, yous should have no prob

>>4134030
i guess the idea was to make them photocopier-proof

>>4133732
what mod is this?

>>4133347
I've seen that word several times, I think spelling that way was intentional

why is it capitalized though?

Here's me shooting the new chainsaw guy in the arm.

>>4134039
Well yeah, there was some solid ones, but the genre was filled with trash, and even the decent ones had basically no replay value, or based difficulty on just having obtuse solutions (as was typically the case of late stage point and click adventure games).

I most liked it when FMV was generally just use to make cinematics and stuff, like in Resident Evil, the game was 3D graphics with pre-rendered backgrounds, but the movie sequences were shot in live action, and really captures a very special B-movie horror feeling I like, because it was cheap, but you can tell they tried.

>>4134063
An overhaul of Immoral Conduct I'm doing.

>>4132840
>nothing about squats

>>4134095
no idea, maybe caught the ⇧ symbol as part of the typo. or auto-correct.

Making custom Mugshot animations for Doom is interesting, having to manually set mugshot states in ACS and such. Also downsizing 16x16 or larger sprites into 12x12 versions is tricky. Only the bottom left sprite is actually from the original game.

so, anyone else going to replay do-it.wad tonight? maybe we should set up a server.

>>4134040

I have brutal slowdowns, it dips to 10 fps sometimes

>>4134297

too soon

>>4134297

>you will never have millions of dollars, million of fans and hang yourself

why even die

>>4134297
Don't even joke, fuckbrain.

>>4134316
It's just Linkin Park.

Doom mappers, pls help.

I want to force the player to pick up a key by placing it on top of a teleport pad (pick related, it lowers down), but it seems in certain conditions you can go through the teleport without picking up the key.

Is there a trick to this? I recall keys sometimes being placed on top of teleport pads in stock Doom maps.

>>4134348
Place it slightly closer to where you're supposed to cross the linedef?

>>4134320
>suicide is good if it's a band i don't like

You seriously have to go back.

>>4134365
I think you're projecting a little bit.

I implied it didn't really matter that much. Back to where, for that matter?

Is there a tutorial for making edges on sprites that look right and not jaggy?

Here's the new rifleman, hopefully his beret doesn't look like shit. He just finished putting a .223 in me, and is about to put a few more in.

Hopefully he's more interesting to look at than "green/red colored baldie marine", and stands out from the crowd.
Speaking of which...

>>4134424
Here's the crew of possessed marines, minus one or two.

>>4134425
And here they are just a brief moment later, I fire a shot to alert them, they wheel around to shoot at me, one hits another, a clusterfuck breaks out, and someone drops a hand grenade.

Though guns hurt you more in Immoral Conduct, the possessed marines are also pretty brittle and sometimes volatile, a machinegunner in a crowd can easily change the entire situation by just dropping a grenade.

>>4134348
hmm it should work. no reason why it shouldn't. i'm sure i've seen a key on a teleporter pad recently but i cannot find it. will keep looking.

>>4134361

I got it work, although I'm pretty sure there is a better way. The highlighted corners don't do shit, and the teleporting lines are facing inwards.

>>4134348
Just make another sector inside teleport pad pillar sector which will be closer to the key.

>>4134453

I tried this first, but it seems the lift would not work anymore with that extra line on top of it. I checked that it created sectors correctly, and they had the right tags, but no dice.

Anyway, thanks for all the help. Just about to wrap this map up.

>>4134484
Merge the sectors, the linedefs will still do their magic.

That Slowmo mod is pretty rad, though I wish it was a smoother experience, like that one gun in Russian Overkill.

>>4134247
I have no idea what I'm doing

>>4134506
By smoother, you mean that all monsters and things would have more frames of animation overall?

>>4134529
Something like that, I think. The start-stop nature of it kinda ruins the 'flow', especially if you turn on the momentum freeze. Some way to keep it smoother would be great. I love mixing it with other mods to fuck around, it's awesome with Brutal Doom for instance.

How do you like it? Any suggestion on how to improve it?

Sometimes I wonder if one day, Doom will be all I have left to live for.

>>4134565
way ahead of you

>>4134546
Hmm, momentum freeze was never intended for regular slomo. It was meant for the total timefreeze mode that you can achieve with Slomo Interval 0 and Slomo Duration 9999999. Being able to turn the momentum freeze setting for regular slomo is a bit of an artifact of the system that wasn't ever intended.

I can't add animations to things or monsters since the mod is universal; its supposed to be usable with any custom monster mods or other addons. Theres ultimately also the giant elephant in the room, which is how time is handled in Doom with ticks, where all I get is 35 ticks per 1 second, no more and no less. That pretty much makes it impossible to have the type of slomo that full 3D model games are capable of.

Also yeah, really fun with Brutal Doom:
https://webmshare.com/eQx7Y

>>4134316
>>4134365

>>4134564

I love it.

>>4134564
The dithered low definition look feels rough. Is this for a low-res/retro style mod of some sort?

>>4134638
No. Improving on it is just harder than I thought.

>>4134564
why does it have a fleshlight on the near end of the barrel? for those lonely nights in space!?

>>4134641
Shit, now I cant unsee it.

Jokes aside, I like the shape and the style of the gun, but the texturing and shading looks really jarring. If you haven't done so yet, gitgud at fundamentals of drawing and pixel art with online tutorials and such. Those will help you much more consicely in making the sprite better and enjoy the drawing process more, since you'll be less relying on trial and error and actually knowing why something works and why something doesn't work.

>>4134641
It shoots sperm cells one at a time at relativistic speeds to fuck your enemies to death. You can reload it once every 15 minutes, 3-4 times a day on average.

>>4134658
when you play hdoom too much

>>4134652
>Shit, now I cant unsee it.
i do apologise, especially for my hypocrisy. i was one of those who argued that the space hunter weapon was not a penis gun, and everyone who said it was needed to calm their hormones and stop seeing dicks everywhere. and now here i am causing the same trouble by perceiving fake vaginas where they're not.

Here is the first map I've ever made for Doom:

https://mega.nz/#!RroXTYaI!LZVN65feYRaCf1KNji7fo1zG8MOsb0GM50p3cxjHae8

Tested with both Chocolate Doom & GZDoom, works fine. Please report bugs or misaligned textures if you try it out.

Took me 4 days to build, was a huge amount of fun. Will dump some more screens after this.

>>4134758

It's an Ultimate Doom E2M2 replacement. Combined tech / hell theme.

>>4134758
>>4134764
first impressions seem pretty solid.
nicely done, anon.

>>4134764

It's called LEISURE.WAD because the pacing is pretty relaxed, especially if you play with mouseaim.

>>4134758
ooh this looks good. and don't have to use zdoom either. very nice.

>>4134768
>>4134776

Thanks! I've always lurked these threads, but never had the time to try Doom mapping myself before.

I specifically wanted to work with the vanilla limitations, so if you guys can see if you find any bugs there would be appreciated.

Webm is running on Choco.

>>4132870
I am waiting for it. More Quake is always a good thing.

>>4134758
Looks too good to be a first map.
Either way, i had fun.

>>4134806
>Ear sticks out of helmet
every time

>>4134804
I thought being a replacement for a non first leve was weird, but then i realised that i could get a plasma rifle before the actual level.
that was cool.

>>4134807

Thanks! Any comments on ammo balance?

I tested on UV mainly, idea was that ammo is pretty scarce until you get the first key and after that you'll have plenty.

I've mapped a bunch for other games, Thief / TDM mainly, so easing into Doom Builder wasn't that bad.

>arrive to home
>check mails
>mail from isp
>double internet speed for free
>check speed
>is real

>>4134817
Maybe put ammo on secret areas that are time based, like that secret corridor in E1M1 next to the bridge or those areas behind the screens from E1M3.
Just an idea.

>>4134818
>and this is how me and my babushka got ourselves 2 full megabytes

>>4134816

I just wanted E2M2 for Demon's from Adrian's Pen. I guess there is a way to pick a song without replacing a specific level? Dehacked patches?

>>4134827
I don't know how to change the music on replaced levels, unfortunately

>>4134808
I knew you'd post this. Next time expect me to inb4 the shit out of you.

>>4134826

LOL, you so funny man

3.125 megabytes

>>4134835
I held back and didn't say anything last time the image was posted

Taking a brief break to have some fun and playtest some changes.

The episode is Mutiny, has a cyberpunk theme, and does a very good job of selling that theme with the texture set and architecture. Very vibrant and colorful. Also the first level is deceptively mild before the second one grabs you by the dick.

Pic related shows an underwater tank seen from a window, the ceiling is the typical animated water flat, and the sand is recolored to match it, but the walls are not just an accordingly recolored ashwall, they're actually animated to have a matching shimmer to the water, and the resulting effect is rather nice to look at.

>>4134885
And here's the other window.

I think the only thing which could sell this better would be some animated sprite things of matching colors and frame rate, maybe seaweed or bubbles. Though we'd be getting into DeHacked territory there and I don't know what else this .wad uses beyond just level names, might not even have been any room for that.

Also I think I've made a pretty firm decision to cut out the Super Shotgun Guys, they're fucking awful, at least when RNG has a say for when they spawn. I really think those would best be used if there's an actual encounter designed around them specifically, and only then.

You grab the key here and three shotgun guys would teleport in, normally, but here RNG was being a nigger and as a result I was suddenly surrounded by 3 SSG guys at close range, which took more than a few tries to survive.
Three regular shotguns still hurt but you can rapidly diminish that threat by killing them, they're not that strong, but the fatties can take more, and really they might just need one shot to kill you (depending on if you have armor or not), and it doesn't matter if you killed two of them already because the third one already shot you.

>>4134915
>they drop SSGs
Would fuck the balance in some maps something fierce

Reposted from the last thread

I'm getting "no response" from the majority of server on a fresh install of zandronum + doomseeker. I can ping these servers just fine, and i've tried messing with the firewall to no avail. Any suggestions?

Slick elevator. Wonder how many people have hurt their fingers on those panels, by not being fast enough?

>>4134924
Honestly I find the SSG is barely worth the trouble in Immoral Conduct.

I mean, it works fine, and you can fire each barrel individually, which can actually be really practical, but the pump shotgun I've made to fire pretty fast and that generally is just more useful in the long run and most situations, because it has an entire magazine.

And for when you need to put out a wall of lead fast, the dual subguns actually do a better job. They go through ammo very fast (twice as fast, in fact), and the reload is slow, but the amount of hurt you can put out in a short window, and how you can direct and disperse it, I find just does everything the SSG would do but a bit better. I find myself always reaching for them when I know I'll be facing arch-viles or really dangerous odds.
I've even considered cutting the SSG and putting the SMGs in it's slot, then moving the AR15 to the Chaingun slot, and the Grenade launcher to the Rocket Launcher's slot

I'm going to run Colorful Hell + Trailblazer, anyone recommend a good mapset?

>>4135065
sunlust

>>4135065
I've had lots of fun with that exact same combination in JPCP.

>mfw explosive punching white Arachnotron spooders in map 07

>>4135065
Valiant: Vaccinated Edition

What are the most
a e s t h e t i c
Doom wads?

>>4135106
And by that I mean good-looking.
Not vaporwave shit.

>>4134564
For what wad is this?

>>4135109
BTSX
Scythe 2

There was a huge detailed 1-Map WAD that came out a couple years ago, it was like a big mausoleum thing but I can't remember what it was

>>4135109
Are there even any vaporwave Doom maps?

>>4135109
Pretty much any Skillsaw WAD past Lunatic
Sunlust
Actually a shitton of slaughtermaps, come to think of it, but mostly the New Gothic Movement series and Sunder
Hellbound, though gameplay gets pretty grindy.

>>4135168
Violence comes to mind. It also owns, regardless of your feelings about vaporwave.

Term uploaded a trailer for High Noon Drifter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mox_kEhhPuo

>>4135183
wow, it looks like the actual release, too
and here i thought he wouldn't make the release date, u cheeky cunt

>>4132808
high noon drifter is officially released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=57098
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mox_kEhhPuo

>>4134924
SSG guys themselves fuck the map balance more, Anon. They've never been a good enemy idea since Skulltag.

>>4135187
>High Poon Drifter gets released before Final Doomer even gets its major update

>>4135196
It beat GMOTA too.

>>4135202
iirc gmota still has at least three enemy types still left to go, so hopefully it should be coming out shortly

>>4135196
>Shihong sobs in a corner at her broken specials

>>4135202
Well, it would be funnier if Space Hunter wasn't released by now or if Keagan started another project.

>>4135209
I guess that's what happens when one does a ton of projects.

>>4135171
Vaporwave's just another music genre to me, and like all the rest it has its share of trash like the ones that do nothing other than slow down the song.

>>4135206
Two and a sprite set for the other. There's also the Blazter overhaul that needs to get done.

>>4132808
>>4132807

I post More work on my (and a friend's) "Gore Processing" map.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/onj8ru5hyqdc8p2/2017-07-20%2022-26-58.flv?dl=0

Bar me from the entire community or not. I will still keep going. MAP.

>Fortress of Mystery

>>4135257
Because Sandy Petersen

What's the best sourceport on macOS?

>Epic 2 + High Noon Drifter + Bratwurst
It's like I'm really Indiana Jones.

>>4135310
gzdoom for single, zandronum for multi

What the advantage of Zscript over DECORATE?

>>4135404
ZScript is a lot more powerful, but it is currently in its infancy and not very well documented at all.

>>4135420
It's interesting how an entire scripting language can be developed without any sort of documentation.

The problem with decorate is that I don't know what the fuck I'm looking at.

>>4135429
German coding magic, I guess.

>>4135434
Decorate is the simplest thing possible.

>>4135434
Thankfully there's a bunch of DECORATE documentation with lots of examples. I learned DECORATE from this, as did countless others.

https://zdoom.org/wiki/DECORATE

>>4135429
It's intentional so Graf can yell at people for doing things with the engine that he never told them they shouldn't do.

>>4135225

>>4135480
>responds to one of the thread's biggest shitters

Pottery.

>>4135483
>Trying to start shit for no reason
Go to bed Term.

>>4135485
>Random namedrop
Shut up, Eric.

>>4135486
Niggity Wiggity, Kinsie.

>>4135486
Work on your maps, John.

>Gameplay video of doom is not retro videogames

>>4135434
don't worry, i'm sure there'll be a decorate learning project that you'll try, fail at, blame other people for failing at, then go on a multi-forum cryfest about how you're just too good for our sinful earth

Vultures...

>>4135506
You can stop now.

>>4135523
You had multiple chances and you fucked them all up, dipshit.

>>4135523
right back atcha, homie

>>4135523

I agree, you can stop now.
Go away, S'arais. You are not welcome here. No matter how much you whimper "YOU NEED ME!!!", you will never actually be needed.

>>4135527
Name literally one.

>>4135530
Boy how wrong you are.

>>4135536
My thoughts exactly. People are tryin' to start shit over the most minor of things. I never HAD any chances.

I'd like to remind you that you all enjoyed my maps until you knew who made them.

>>4135542
lmao

>>4135542
nope

>>4135542

Nope.

>>4135542
Nope.

>>4135542
Noooo.

>>4135542
only this level of delusion from the guy who goes into servers calling himself the god of doom

>>4135546
>>4135545
Looks like the first stages of DABDA to me!

Just stop responding at this point. Feeding him does nothing more than clutter up the thread and enable him. Just report and hope he is smitten with Mjolnir.

>>4135552
I'm being censored over their vendetta anyway, even over on-topic maps. It's honestly rather adorable; considering I never had a chance, and still don't.

>>4135531
You've tried mapping independently.
You've tried mapping for Highway to Hell.
You tried mapping for Joy of Mapping.
And that's three different individual we-know-it-was-you incidents, I'm sure you've been puttering about shitting out random maps even outside of those chances-that-you-are-now-convinced-are-not-chances.

See, the problem is you're somehow convinced that you're somehow a martyr, that your maps are actually so amazing that people just want to stop you from mapping. When the truth is, nothing has actually stopped you from mapping!
Your maps are just bad. And you hate this fact. You hate it!
So you would much rather pretend that people have a vendetta and are trying to kill Doom because banning you will somehow destroy the community, rather than accept the simple truth that your maps are shit.

>>4135557
"YOUR MAPS ARE SHIT LMAO!"
Clear sign you're just shitposting and have never actually played them.

>>4135558
I have. I've made an effort to play nearly every map I can from what has been posted.

>>4135560
"I have"
Then you would know that I have been doing EXACTLY as I have been told, and look where that's ended me up?

>>4135558
i have. i'm the one that even posted a playthrough on your (rightfully) rejected highway to hell map. i said it was 3/10, and not to give up and to improve yourself.
the keyword there is to improve yourself. you have not been improving yourself. you have been mistakenly lashing out at everyone, even at other people who have tried to help you.

you are not welcome here.

>>4135561
>I have been doing EXACTLY as I have been told
But you haven't.

>>4135562
Except there was nothing problematic with it aside with it not conforming to your personal tastes. And who's fault is that for telling me what to do- then complaining when they get that exact result?

>>4135564
"MY TOY'S BETTER THAN YOURS!"
"NUH-UH!"
"UH-HUH!"

Jesus christ just play the fucking map. It's easier than shitposting.

>>4135567
there was a lot problematic with it. your flow is bad, your aesthetics are nonexistent, you have no sense of encounter design. i got stuck on several areas, and the 3d floor didn't work.
if you honestly believe that this is simply a matter of taste, you are beyond help.

Just ban him already, mods.

As for everyone else, just report and ignore him. Seriously.

>>4135569
Well you can't oblige them to do that, recieve few positive feedback from Doomworld also doesn't make the map all that good you know...

THE LAST MAPSET I PLAYED IN DOOM WAS

>>4135575
I jumped into a Plutonia coop server and promptly ran out of ammo and died by cacodemon.

>>4135575
Testing my mod in JPCP. Still a ways to go, but my mouth was pleasured sufficiently.

>>4135575
oniria.wad, trying it with Drifter

>>4135570
You being extremely vague about it does not help. My constant playtesting encountered none of that.

I'm only reciprocating what you've thrown my way, really.

>>4135597

I've done nothing but encourage you, outside of the one sin of not including your map in a community project. Now you hate me because I told you that you might be posting a little too hastily because you're hurt.
This is all on you, friend.

>>4135605
Me as well tried to be reasonable, but seems he's blind by his anger now.

>>4135575
NRFTL, the only Doom mapset I can actually enjoy

>>4133804
Fuck the Haters! Master Levels had some good ass maps! Its better as an episode honestly

>>4135605
>Shitpost me to death is encouragement, despite every painstaking attempt to do what they ask.

You've had it against me since we met.
What the hell do you want from me?

>>4135612
Now what have you to do with this, zane?

Nothing anybody says around here makes any damn sense, so if this is all one very cruel elaborate joke, ha ha, very funny, I applaud you.

all gameplay mods are garbage

Guess that confirms the suspicion of you people simply fucking with me.

>>4134297
>>4134365

You made me wonder what was Linguica's reaction upon hearing the death of LB's frontman.

He is the author of do-it.wad, after all.

>>4135614

No Rest For The Living was surprisingly good. For a mapset made by a group of people who were outsiders to the community it went beyond all the expectations.

Some people go as far as to consider it the unofficial "Episode 5" of Doom.

>>4135183
>Term uploaded a trailer for High Noon Drifter

Nice, can't wait to play it.

>>4135620
Master Levels is bretty neat. It's underrated.

>>4135627
>LB

Oops, I meant to write LP, my bad.

>>4135627
>Nice, can't wait to play it.
it's out, anon

>>4135631

I'm on a shitty 10-year old laptop, can't play it here

>>4135635
oh, i see. my mistake.

>>4135575
Whatever one I bothered to complete with a friend.

And since none of these "friends" play games anyway, I haven't. Which pisses me off.

Can I therefore inquire about the proposed map then? Nevertheless- completely ignoring what others have said is the only thing that's worked.

Ruddy shame, I think it was either DTS-T or Demon Eclipse what with my shit memory.

>>4135575
zone300, good mapset. Short, quick, fun.

>>4135575
Plutonia 2
On map 28
I can't believe I made it this far

>>4135575
Temple of Verdance
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/s-u/tov

a huge sprawling monster level that takes over 2 hours to finish. frankly it goes on for far too long and has numerous flaws/annoyances in gameplay, but it is beautiful and highly detailed. author is obviously an artist or graphic designer or some such.

>>4135575
Hell Revealed 2.
On ultra violence

>>4135627
>Some people go as far as to consider it the unofficial "Episode 5" of Doom.
...but, its a Doom 2 episode.

>>4135727

Hey, that's why I said unofficial!

>>4135727
>a Doom 2 episode

doom:
1. e1: kditd
2. e2: shores
3. e3: inferno

doom2:
4. e1: starport
5. e2: hometown
6. e3: hell

the doom bible originally described/envisaged 6 episodes.

of course this is not canon, it's just one interpretation.

what the FUCK was that one mod yall used to play like 3-4 years ago
It was pretty popular here
It had stats, maybe classes to pick from? And i think you could combine weapons or something
It looked really technical and cool as fuck but i never got to play it

>>4135772
DoomRLA

>>4135772
DoomRL Arsenal, an update is in the works.

>>4135778
>>4135780
It's probably this one but the screenshots im looking at on google are ugly as hell and i remember the shots posted here looked hella nice

>>4135787

>>4135790
Yeah this mightve been it
I distinctly remember shit being more gray tho
Can that weapon have green or yellow details instead of red, depending on what you do to it?

>>4135792
>I distinctly remember shit being more gray tho
maybe you were running it in software mode before the recent innovations adding truecolor to it.

>>4135801
Hmm maybe, ill play it later today
Is the game world big?

>>4135792
That's a Master Assembly weapon that requires four modpacks.

>>4135810
It contains no levels by default.

>>4135780
>an update is in the works
is it gonna make the modpack system not shit?

>>4135820
Yholl overhauled the interface and may be doing some tweaks here and there. There's probably going to be underlying changes to make way for planned classes as well.

>>4132954
> mfw you probably cant shoot that glass up there
> mfw shooting at rocket at the glass detonates on impact instead of smashing through
> why even play

>>4133041
>>4133060
>>4133050

You know that could be *Easily* solved. You see what you do is you use a fairly big texture but not enormous like these. Maybe 2048px. Blurry as shit right, totally 2003 tier right?

Wrong. You overlay a Fractal that generates all of the proper detail and definition to the texture, giving it the proper level of grit and lack of repetition. Overlay a couple of them if you need different styles of texturing on them (the grit on a brick wall + the edges of the bricks)

> UT did this back in the day for some of its special effects.

> Throwing math at a computer is its primary nature, it takes less processing power to solve an equation than it does to display a pixel.

>>4133014

sounds like nintendo-esque replay value
at least when you die you keep your items (assuming gzdoom)

>>4133553
> used lastpass to make an unbreakable password
> lost password when the HD had to be wiped
> for various reasons cant seem to get into the .drive account

clouds are as transitory as... well... clouds

> also they usually dont have a capacity higher than a few gig, its like something you back up your thumbdrives with or some shit

I have a variety of stuff backed up on my Mega account including some of my heftier retro games (fallout stuff pretty much) but I dont consider it a serious option.

Especially when upload speed is typically shit on the public wifi places I use to get internet.

>>4133554
>>4133556

> mfw Intel 3150 graphics
> capped at openGL 1.4
> doesnt even recognize shaders
> it has no expansion slots in it for vidya

mfw im thankful GZ still supports software, though it seems to be starting to bog down even with that

>>4135940
>You overlay a Fractal that generates all of the proper detail and definition to the texture, giving it the proper level of grit and lack of repetition.

Do any games actually do this? Loading RGBA color data from a static bitmap takes way less processing power than calculating the color data of several layered multi-iteration fractals in real time.

>>4135951

to be honest the 5870 was a beast card

>>4133835
>>4133831
>>4133838
>>4133839
>>4133840
>>4133845
>>4133847

Just imagine when someone reinvents the Sloot Digital Encoder and we suddenly get zip compression with a 2000:1 ratio.

Now your entire hard drive can be quadruple contingency stored with pretty much just a MD5 hash, and a hardware chip on the motherboard can be dedicated specifically to coding and decoding that string in realtime.

> Now combine that with a 10 TB hard drive

Hmm now I think I know how the Enterprise saved all that data on star charts.

>>4135969

imagine having just one bit flip caused by a gamma ray

>>4133852
>>4133860

> buying anything from Steam at all
> even bothering to have a steam cuck profile

heck even I saw what Steam actually was when it came out, it has nothing to do with "making games easier to access"

it was just a way to make it easier to put copy protection on games thats all

> and hurt gamestop

>>4133859
Thats a very nice sprite combo. But honestly whatever you did to the Helmet is what makes it stand out as awesome. Somehow this all jives so good.

>>4134348
Make a smaller rounded teleport pad and use a different texture for it (yknow stylized like some modern mods do with their teleporters). Maybe give the sector pulsating lighting to suggest that its a teleport.

>>4135404
>>4135420
>>4135429
>>4135478

Its useless unless it has full documentation. Otherwise you dont know what you can do with it and its pointless to venture outside of Decorate.

>>4135973
Please go back to your home website.

>>4135973
sup googum

>>4135940
People are doing that already. Far Cry 4 does something similar and does it with virtual textures and others are using Substance Designer for their materials and adjusting the values at runtime. Edge grit and tri-planar textures have been done for decades.

The problem is that while the solution seems easy and computers do math really fast, the shaders required to do that kind of work end up being extremely computationally expensive, especially on a large scale with a lot of different textures.

>>4135940

implying this being possible with consoles around

>>4135971

> implying that this is not fatal to anything else

I said quadruple (or more) contingency. You have the same thing repeated several times with a spacer inbetween. First thing done upon reading it is checking to make sure all of them are identical.

If any of them (maybe even all of them are) mismatched, you check similarities just to make sure its not scrambled data altogether. Then you find the mismatches, if say all of them have been hit, and use the others for error correction.

>>4135989
There's another solution to texturing over large surfaces that I dont think anyone has caught onto yet, though it would have been much more effective back in the retro days...

Have multiple similar textures that will run seamless with each other, and every time the game has to place a repeating texture it just picks one of those at random rather than using the same one over and over again.

This way you have a big floor, or wall that stretches on and on like it so often happens in doom - but while you may notice the same textures they wont be in a predictable repeated pattern.

> fractals

There's also something to be said for overlays that are different sizes. Since they would combine in unusual ways and also produce surfaces that didn't look the same way twice (effectively producing a megatexture via macro)

>>4135942
Oh, turns out, it's not so bad. You should've seen that secret map. Doubled my score from previous 15 maps.

>>4135992
I forgot that consoles are real light on processing power.

>>4135996
That has been done, Spyro in particular makes use of it for its landscapes but it's not automated, the textures are manually mapped to the different polygons to break things up but the idea is the same. For modern games, automated systems exist for landscape generators to handle texture splatting for you.

>>4135575
mutiny on UV

>>4135780
>an update is in the works

>>4135940
>Wrong. You overlay a Fractal that generates all of the proper detail and definition to the texture, giving it the proper level of grit and lack of repetition.
lmao you have no idea what you are talking about

Why frag grenades and not dynamite?

>>4136169
Hand grenades are really cool, more reliable and depending on type, produces shrapnel?

Why WW2 subguns?

>>4136176
I always loved this poster.
It so perfectly exudes the feel and atmosphere of TNT Evilution.

>>4133347
Neh. It means fixing to.
Fixing to
Fixin ta
Fi'n ta
Finna

>>4136172
I fixed that scan glitch in the upper right a while ago. On my phone though so I can't post it.

>>4136194
in reference to >>4133230 :

>if this negro turns that wheel he is going to change the rotation of the planet

or

>if this negro turns that wheel he is fixing to change the rotation of the planet

which one makes more sense?

>>4135929
>wanting fully destructible environments in a game from 1999
Play because I don't see you destroying any stained glass windows in vanilla Quake. Even maps that use Quoth for breakable props tend to only use them to reveal secrets, not making every single window shatterable.

>>4133230

>>4136227
Wait and watch him compare it with Half Life 1 for the sake of destructible glasses.

>>4136231
HL1 also doesn't use breakable glass everywhere. Hell, the tutorial level specifically includes a segment with the SMG that teaches the player the visual difference between the game's most commonly used textures for normal and bulletproof glass.

Also I typed 1999 like an asshole instead of 1996.

>>4136235
I know that, the bulletproof glass have a small iron grid mixed with it, this is kept even Half Life 2 no matter Source Engine being capable of making all glass breakable because actually this is the only way to force the player go to a certain path without thinking in use such window as a shortcut.

>>4136194
>>4136210

both of you are right, in monkeyspeak finna is literally used for anything

>>4136198

>phoneposter

>>4136273
Nobody cares.

>>4136271
can you also translate >>4136228 ?

>>4136284
/v/ TOLD ME IT WAS COOL TO MAKE FUN OF PHONEPOSTERS REEEEEEEEE

>>4136362
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting even if it is woke or exposes truths regarding the lesser boards on 4chan.

>play around with caco's hiss sound to make some kind of idle sound fit for him
>toy with WahWah effect
>ends up sounding like it's laughing under it's breath
Should I go for this? I mean it kind of fits the bigass toothy grin he has.

>>4136284
i believe there are plenty of us real computer users left who are fed up of persons whose choice to use a gimped restrictive interface to the web leaves them unable to help themselves thus filling threads with their groans shrieks and demands for others to wipe their bottoms for them.

>>4136379
Or you can stop projecting so hard.

>>4136379

>>4136235
>>4136227
>>4136231
> vaguely recall something about destructible environments
> someone mentions half life
> but ive got an even better example
> 1994

>>4136391
>an isometric 2d game made entirely of sprites had destructible environments before fully 3d games that are a hundred times more taxing on a system
wew lad

>>4136391
environment destruction you say?

>>4136401
indeed
though to be fair it could also be taxing on a system depending on which level you was playing, I remember it lagging even on a 586 for some of the boat missions in the second game because it had to display all the tiles on all the floors below it.

> quake 2 had breakable glass btw since we're talking about quake

>>4136404
I never understood how to play this game. All I know is it was really cool when you had knights, but you couldnt tell them where to go, they just roamed the countryside.

in terms of terrain altering sim city 2000 did that too

>>4136376

>>4136376
Well, nuDoom Cacodemon laughs sometimes if you don't shoot him and leave him to taunt you instead.

>>4136169

I think grenades are cooler, simple as that.

>>4136210
It doesn't matter what sounds right in ebonics, nigga.

>>4136273
Don't have much alternative at work.

>it's a map with multiple Archviles in it

>>4136473
in the same area or just repeated in the map?
> mfw map11 in either plutonia

>>4136476
either really but the former is more fucking annoying, why do people do this

>>4136473
>it's an Archviles only map

>>4136473
>it's a map with enemies on it

>>4136169
Outlaws already did it?

>>4136480

to test your heath and armor
> mfw the only other monsters in that room are barons

>>4136473
>Jenesis with MetaDoom
>Map 20 made me lost my weapons, because i had to die.
>Reaches a level with mostly archies
>Due to MetaDoom's randomization, some were replaced with Summoners
If it wasn't for the inventory items like the syphon grenade, i would have been fucked to death.

>>4136492
>>4136489
> mfw there's no bfg in it

it's not too hard to fight two at once with appropriate cover. pl11 gives you lots of corners for example.

alternatively two archviles in a large open area, but plenty of other monsters around to distract them.

multiple archviles in a small area without cover or distractions is a sign you're being trolled, though.

>>4136473
>it's an archvile sniper map

>Make an enemy called the Vore
>it doesn't eat anything

>>4136512
Sounds like a good thing, if you think about it.

>>4136504
>with appropriate cover
That's the keyword.

Some maps will just not give you any good cover, maybe just one pillar in a corner, or a little bit of jutting out wall, where you'd trap yourself taking cover behind it, or they raise the monsters you killed, which in itself wouldn't be a huge problem but they prevent you from maneuvering or moving and thus the archie gets a bead on you and you're fucked.

>>4136529
>which in itself wouldn't be a huge problem but they prevent you from maneuvering or moving
Or act as a meatshield for the archvile, which happens oh so often
in those "pillars in a small room" encounters

>>4136529
>>4136537
>>4132808
here i made an arena where you can practise fighting two archviles. you get a 64x64 column and a super shotgun. i can kill both about 50% of the time.

https://my.mixtape.moe/xlahtx.wad

>>4136520
Why?

>>4136512
I mean, their mouths are covered in blood, so they must've eaten something

>>4136568
Imagine a DeviantArt themed Doom wad or Quake mod, that's why

>>4136573
vore tournament already exists

>>4136567
here's a video of it.

>>4136567
>>4136583
put some barons and revenants in there

>>4136567

This'll be good to practice on, thanks.

>>4135971
It's pretty trivial to do bitflip error checking in hardware. We already do it, too.
A single bitflip gets automatically detected and fixed, no issues what so ever.

>>4136584
do it yourself, i'm done with map editing for another year at least

>>4136573
>dude deviantcringe lmao

>>4136609
rip fun

>>4136473
>its a wad with Lost Souls

>>4136629
yeahhh i hate when people do this, I replaced LS with arachnorbs with 180 health

ayo when's qump