/vr/ - Retro Games

FUCK
YOU

>>4133279

>Does a more obnoxious enemy exist in the history of video games?

*casually walks out of your range*

>>4133308

hi

WHO'S THERE?

>>4133362
>*Autistic screeching*

>>4133279
MANANAA BOLLOCKS

TRANCE
TRANCE
TRANCE

Based on my experience with most of these... Yes, OP. Many enemies exist that are worse than those Cultists. Even then, those are pretty easy to kill.

>>4133315

i'm still pissed at these guys, even today. Are there any good tactics for them, aside from the usual "git gud" or "just dodge and don't get hit" ?

>>4133395
HEH HEH HEH.

>>4133658
>equip super nailgun
>run backwards away from them while they're jumping towards u
>keep your crosshair level in their jumping path and hold shoot
EZ. Yes it works fine with sv_aim 2 they'll just keep jumping into your line of fire.

Also when u first see them if they haven't attacked just immediately blow them up with rocket launcher, grenade launcher, lightning gun, whatever

>>4133279
Have you meet the Gargoyles, yet? Hate these assholes, too.

>>4133635
>those are pretty easy to kill.
It's not about being easy to kill, it's about the fact that there's always huge groups of them and that they react faster than Usain Bolt when he hears a starting pistol.

>>4133904
They're easy if you have room to strafe.

GEROSHAAAY GRUUUUOOOOOO

I have this game, I pirated it.

How the fuck do you set up WASDA controls? I want to play it so fuckin bad, it looks amazing.

I saw someone said to change it under 'mouse controls' but I can't find that setting.

>>4134504
Pretty easy... And then there's the grey ones.
Reminder: The first grey motherfucker you'll encounter is not easy. Also the lack of tesla cannons, life leeches, or voodoo dolls in the first episode.

>>4134542
setup.exe

open via dosbox

also make sure you go into mouse settings and set your right mouse click to alternative (special) fire that way. you won't be able to do this from the in-game control menu

>>4134601

How do I get DOSBOX to my dir?

C:\Program Files (x86)\GOG.com\One Unit Whole Blood\DOSBOX

>>4134601
>>4134601

How do I turn on freelook?

How do I turn off mouse forward = move forward?

Thanks a lot for your help anon this is going to be great to finally play it. I got the mouse left and right click sorted out.

>>4134639
Press 'u' in game (by default) to enable mouse look. Note it's a little clunky but you don't really need it for vertical aim due to the auto aim. Just use it to help you with dynamite aim and of course it will stop you moving in mouse Y axis.

You can set up the rest of your controls in the in game menu, too, including whether or not you want your mouse aim to be inverted.

>>4134542
BloodCM is accurate enough and provides a much comfier experience than the original overall with widescreen support, not totally trashy feeling mouselook, all options/binds available in app, and no emulation layers. It justwerx and includes the game too.

>>4134726
>BloodCM is accurate enough
no it's not, this guy is an absolute fucking retard and you shouldn't listen to him at all (probably that same bitch that's been BTFO'd repeatedly as well and now feels he's on a vendetta to promote his shitty eduke32 mod)

if you dont wanna use dosbox, at least use bloodgdx

>>4134504
>>4134582
Gargoyles (including the big grey ones) can't hit you if you duck. Feels cheap, but I find the boss versions to be really annoying enemies so I don't mind using it on them. The regular guys, they're easy enough to kill normally.

>>4134734
Oh please. BloodGDX is not finished and doesn't feel finished, though it would be ideal. Additionally, what... an enemy doesn't move 100% like before 100% of the time? It's not perfect but it's a decent way to play it with QOL improvements, spergdexter.

>>4134726
>BloodCM
Pic related. Do not listen to this faggot, avoid BloodCM at all costs. If you truly can't stand DOSbox, use BloodGDX instead.

>>4133279

>>4134789
>the furniture of law enforcement

>>4134794
I've played both Dark Forces 1 and 2, but I don't recognize the weapon the leftmost trooper is holding. Also, why would you think Stormtroopers are the most annoying enemy? They're easy mooks that die in a couple hits...

>>4134805
It's the rail detonator, which can be pretty fucking annoying especially in groups.

>>4133279
One of the main reasons I prefer Descent 2 and still can't beat the first game on anything higher than Rookie.

>>4133279
uhuh!

>>4133362
not even close....

>>4134794
Not even the worst enemy in the game.

>>4133279
I love those guys.

>>4135041
same

>>4133320
this is fucking hilarious. does it intentionally not loop as well?

>>4133323

>>4134782
>>4134734
as someone with no horses in this race, can you explain why BloodCM is so garbage and how BloodGDX is the superior option?

>>4133393
Not quite.

>>4133542
OH THAT'S TESCO MARINARA

>>4134715
BMOUSE.EXE fixes the one-axis-at-a-time problem and makes the mouse way smoother. Also you'll probably want to increase the vertical mouse scaling in the setup program since it's just a fraction of the horizontal by default.

>>4135098
BloodCM is a recreation. It's someone looking at how Blood works and trying to make the same effects in what is essentially the Duke 3D engine. It gets various small things wrong, like physics, timing of enemy animations, the arc of thrown explosives, etc.

BloodGDX is similar in some ways, but the author claims to have used a decompiler or some other tool to at least partially copy the alpha code as closely as possible. Some effects are still unfinished, but it's the closest thing we have to a port right now. True purists would still say it's not close enough, but it's a damn sight better than BloodCM.

>>4135136
>It gets various small things wrong, like physics, timing of enemy animations, the arc of thrown explosives, etc.
more like everything wrong. it's a total pos.

>>4133279
>thinks cultists are annoying

>not the fucking hands
>not the fucking little 15 mirror images of Caleb

>>4135041
>tfw no fluffy cultist cuddle toy

>>4135242
You're just I'll swallow your soul

>>4133279
CRUDOX CRUO

These motherfucking green raspberries from Holy Diver are worse than Red Arremers and Ninja Gaiden eagles combined.

>>4133279
CRUDOX CRUO!!

Pretty sure the birds in Ninja Gaiden hold that title

>>4134789
Holy shit does it say "Optical Prime" under Johnny 5? That's hilarious, I never noticed.

What's the one in the middle say?

>>4133393

>>4135136

Why not just download the original and play with dosbox?

>>4135492
Ray Liotta???

>>4134639
>>How do I turn on freelook?
>How do I turn off mouse forward = move forward?
You can use the U to to toggle mouselook on which of course disables mouse movement but I really suggest you just get used to mouse movement. It ain't that hard, and mouselook sucks shit in the build engine. Having it on all the time is bound to annoy the shit out of you.

>>4135725
>but I really suggest you just get used to mouse movement
I wouldn't. I play with mouse look on but just primarily use the mouse's x-axis. much better than dealing with the mouse movement which is far more sensitive. plus using the y axis for dynamite aim makes a dramatic difference and makes you much better with it. pressing U to toggle it on when you need it or using the keyboard aim just slows shit down and makes things a lot more disjointed.

>>4133279
The guys in quake that shoot grenades.

>>4134734
>>4134782
>>4135136

I'll at least admit that I was wrong, or at least slightly behind. I tried BloodGDX last night and it seems to be in a decent state at this point, but fuck you guys anyway. A month or so ago BloodCM was the best way to play it, barring some minor compromises, you faggots. OH LAWDY LAWD this difference list:

E1M6 - Cannons fire randomly after picking up Fire key.
E1M7 - Crouching will not help you avoid Cheogh or Gargoyle attacks.
E2M4 - You can not finish the level without the Moon Key by crouching under the fence.
E2M5 - Completely different way to reach the Super Secret; you can not lock yourself in the underground tunnel.
E2M7 - You do not need Jump Boots to pass the section after the presses.
E6M2 - Broken mirror releases Hands, not Little Calebs.

It was so very broken and was not at all close enough. It's not like half of those were likely glitches to begin with. I hate you guys. But yes. There *is* a better way to play it now.

It still lacks sprite billboarding, making the enemies look like cardboard cutouts from directly above/below, and the proper 3D rendering is not faithful to how the original game looked. Does this not trigger your autism?

>>4135934
I'm not going to take your stupid b8 and you're not even worth talking about this. BloodCM is a piece of shit, end of. It's been discussed endlessly and the simple truth is that if somebody is literally too retarded to see how fucking off it is he really isn't even worth a conversation. Fuck off dickhead.

>>/vr/thread/2717480/#p2739641

>>4133279
>Manamax and spear books!

So I'm on level 2 of the first campaign in Blood.

Can I get some general tips?

How do I dodge the gunners? Should I save TNT for those zombies?

Any basic stuff appreciated.

>>4136162
>not modern arts and spear books

>>4136004
Senior citizen detected.

BloodCM is an easy way to play a 20 year old game. The changes can be considered quality of life at worst, and only a purist with *thorough* knowledge of the original will notice any changes.

If you've never played Blood before, BloodCM is still the easiest and best way to play it. Just turn on software rendering and you're good to go.

>CRUDUX CRUO!

>>4135685
Doom babbies

>>4136359
don't you need dosbox to play doom as well?

>>4136162
>>4136275
It's "BUTTERBOX AND FEAR BOOTS"

>>4136162
>MADDA-MOXEN FEAR BOOKS!

I was playing Blood on hurt me plenty and got my ass kicked real fast by the first few zombies.

>>4136472
Programming bug which makes them do more damage on lower difficulties

>>4136483
'hurt me plenty' is mid difficulty and damage values stay the same for it as well as well done

>>4136587
Are you certain?

>>4136456
Doom babbies use modern source ports. dosbox is way too much for the average doom bab, apparently to the extent that they'd rather play a piece of shit janky abomination with ass for gameplay and everything else instead of the real game.

>>4136604
Are you related to treasurefag by any chance?

>>4136594
Yes. How do you even let zombies get you, Jesus.

Anyway this glitch only happens when you reload a level. Once you go to the next level the damage values reset until you reload a level again.

>>4136613
I wasn't aware the bug affected more than WD. But yeah, zombies are easy.

>>4136604
>dosbox is way too much for the average doom bab
Oh come on, you just drag and drop files, or at worst, type mount c:

>>4136604
Dosbox is not hard to use. It's just that source ports tend to provide a better look and feel compared to the DOS version of most games. A lot of these games had awful mouselook. Widescreen is nice. Raising the resolution high enough will put a strain on the CPU through emulation. Also, yeah, it's nice to have one less layer to go through. It's why people might want to use a source port, or god forbid, a TC, in exchange for a bit of accuracy.

Powerslave DOS version port/approximation when?

>>4136647
not the guy who you're responding, but imo, the mouselook in Blood was optimal. in games like Duke3d, it takes a good bit of tweaking to feel right, but Blood works great even with the default settings.

>>4136647
I have no problem with source ports. BloodCM is a piece of shit and is NOT a source port. You can also use BMouse with DOSBox if your pussy can't handle Blood's original aim. BloodGDX, though I haven't played it yet, actually looks decent just from youtube vids. That's a doom bab's best option if he can't just play the real game with DOSBox. It will give 1080p and widescreen support, too. Use that you retarded doom bab.

>>4136659
I have no idea why people have such a problem with Blood's original aim too lol

>>4136697

>>4136712

>>4136718

>>4133279
Was blood origninally for IBM DOS, Amiga, or Playstation.

Yes, I am new.

>>4136730
DOS

>>4136697
the default controls are literally the exact same as any modern fps, and the mouselook has the exact same feel, too.

>>4136824
>the default controls are literally the exact same as any modern fps
no they're not. blood's default controls aren't WASD, they're more like doom's classic default controls where if you're a keyboard player you use the arrow keys to move, ctrl to shoot, etc. anyway who gives a fuck when they're 100% customisable regardless and can be made as exactly as modern control schemes are. if you can't even customise your controls you probably shouldn't even be playing PC games let alone be posting on this board for retro fps.

>>4136162
>>4136275
>>4136457
>>4136470
It's 'MADERMAUK SINCERABLE'

>>4135725
you don't have to choose between mouse look or movement. you can play without mouse movement and still have no y axis aim with your mouse. just customise it in setup.exe in the mouse y axis settings.

>>4136317
Guess what gramps, now we have BloodGDX, the superior way to play the best FPS on modern operating systems that doesn't feel like a flimsy knockoff!

http://m210.duke4.net/

it's great

>>4136317
>quality of life
lol, why do retards on the internet suck so badly at using this phrase? QOL is for shit like auto-remembering your last save location, repeating obvious commands, etc. Not "yes it's different but I like it better that way" changes.

>>4135934
This list ignores all the changes to the animations, timing, physics, and basic game mechanics. No one bitches about BloodCM because of a shortcut glitch, lmao are you serious.

>>4136824
>the mouselook has the exact same feel
Nonsense. Blood's mouselook is weird and stiff even with BMOUSE. I use Q and E to look up and down because I don't like the vertical mouselook feeling at all.

>>4136004
>>4137164

>Cites a 2 year old webm of a project in development as evidence that said project is bad
>Thinks minor changes to a 20 year old game isn't QoL

Grandpa, please! You forgot to take your pills again.

>>4137620
except bloodcm still runs exactly the same as seen in that webm you fucking dickhead

you're also replying to two different people dickhead

>>4137178
I found it okay with bmouse. I did need to raise the y scaling in setup though because it's way slower than the x axis at the same scale.

PROTIP: Cultists/Fanatics can't shoot and turn or change their aim up/down at the same time (there's no animation for the latter, but their aim follows Caleb's head). This is even more effective at close range and when combined, ie: jumping/crouching while circling.
Keep them turning or following you through elevation changes and they never get to fire.

>>4137178
It's only weird if you try to look diagonally. As long as you look straight horizontal or vertical, then it's fine.

I'm, more used to doom anyway, so I mostly look just horizontally, which has no problems. It's only rarely that you have to shoot up or down, and in those cases you can just use vertical look to put yourself on the right horizontal plane, and then use horizontal look to aim and shoot.

>>4133279

I faced them in Reelism and they scared me out of playing Blood.

>>4137960
They scream in English just fine when you light them on fire.

>>4138137
I love that little detail lol. They try to sound all tough and cult badass in their latin-like gibberish but as soon as they're on fire they go back to being what they really are. Fucking posers.

>>4133279
>tfw the first time you encounter a machine gun cultist and you get utterly shredded

>>4137628
Mom, mom! Grandpa thinks he's two people again! He's getting violent and saying swears!

>There was a Blood walkthrough on Youtube was was well done and played by a guy who was really good that I liked to watch every now and then
>Wanted to watch it again recently
>He deleted his Youtube account

Come back GalleyUK

>>4133279
Nigger, that isn't even the most annoying enemy in that game

>>4138828
phantasms are spooky, but not all that annoying.

their predictability probably makes them the one easiest opponent in the game. they are the one enemy type in the game you never get hit by (even zombies may get their rare lucky hit due to their numbers).

>>4138834
I meant annoying in the sense of the sounds that they make, really.

>>4138842
*agitated phantasm noises*

>>4133279
Wait until you get to the second game
>YOU WILL DIE A SLOW, SLOW DEATH!
>COME OUT, WE WON'T HURT YOU...
>YOU WILL DIE A SLOW, SLOW DEATH!
>COME OUT, WE WON'T HURT YOU...
>YOU WILL DIE A SLOW, SLOW DEATH!
>COME OUT, WE WON'T HURT YOU...
>etc

>>4139253
>*angry gas mask noises*

https://youtu.be/cnE9XEC5mWw

>>4140521
wtf did I just watch?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHlJOMjon4Y

>>4140521
Drakkhen, no joke, is a strong contender for scariest game ever to me. EVERYTHING in it is eerie as fuck. The art style, enemies like pic related and the sounds they make, the SNES soundtrack, the barren landscape, how every dungeon looks dusty and abandoned, and worst of fucking all: the cosmic horror of a constellation dancing just for you, signalling some unstoppable hell beast to attack.

>>4140521
Whoever made this game is a faggot.

>>4139253
nah nah please no

>>4134926
I hate these thing so god damn much.