/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4124757
I always recommend Ecco even though it's not for everyone. It's so unique everyone should at least try it.

What kind of games do you like?

Beyond Oasis
Ranger X
Comics Zone
Herzog Zwei
Gaiares

some of my other random favorites.

>>4124762
Im typically a really big fan of all kinds of rpg, adventure games and shmups. When Im in the mood I go for a platformer, but Im not a 2d guy usually. Thanks for the recs.

Lightening Force
Thunder Force 3
Twinkle Tale
Elemental Master
Monster World 4
Vapor Trail
Fire Shark
Valis 3

>>4124757
Splatterhouse 2 & 3
Sonic 1, 2, 3 & Knuckles
Sonic Spinball
Robocop Vs Terminator
Mighty Morphin Power Rangers The Movie
Streets Of Rage 1, 2 & 3.
Spider-man & Venom Maximum Carnage
Batman
Ghostbusters
Musha
Vectorman 1 & 2
Chakan

Used official six button Genesis controllers go for closer to $30 while new third party controllers go for a third of that. Should I go for an official controller anyway?

>>4124804
Yes.

Revenge of Shinobi
Shadow Dancer
Shinobi 3

and one of my favorite games of all time, Landstalker.

>>4124804

yes. third party 6-button genesis controllers are absolute ass. not worth a fucking penny, stay far away.

>>4124772
Then I double recommend Beyond Oasis, which is like an action RPG mixed with a brawler and some very cool mechanics.

Phantasy Star IV is one of the best RPGs of the 16 bit era. Shining Force 1 and 2 also pretty great.

Thanks for all the help anons.

>>4124816
I tried Landstalker earlier this morning. Spent about an hour with it but cant really dig it. Does it start slow or something?

>genesis does what nintendon't sega genesis

>>4124868
Genesis does alright..

1) Uncensored gaming
>Nintendon't

2) Make Game Genie officially licensed.
>Nintendon't

3) Is pro cheat devices
>Nintendon't

4) Pro consumerism
>Nintendon't (they attack their fans for uploading game play footage of Nintendo games on youtube)
See?

>>4124895
I'm pretty sure there's censored games on Genesis.
That's not a company-specific thing, it's a western-specific thing. Playstation also has censored games.

>>4124895
>Uncensored gaming
http://www.segaretro.org/Stormlord
No.


>Pro consumerism
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121206/17321021296/sega-goes-nuclear-youtube-videos-old-shining-force-game.shtml
No.

>>4124913
At least Sega still is pro-cheating
NINTENDON'T!

>>4124757
Ranger-X is a cool mech side scroller. Seems to have inspired Bulk Slash on the Saturn.
Ristar is a fun platformer with 10/10 graphics and music.
Alien Soldier is a cool boss-attack game. It seems rough at first, but it's brilliant. Abuse the reflect attack and your invincible dash (which does crazy damage if you're at full health) so you don't just get stuck on the first boss.
Gunstar Heroes is a great run and gun. It's looser feeling than something like Contra.
Outrun 2019 is a cool driving game. Graphics are drab, but technically impressive with layered roads and shit. Lots of fun, cool music.
Streets of Rage 2 needs no introduction. It's a bit easy though. 11/10 music.
Play the JP version of SOR3 (Bare Knuckle 3) because the western release cranks the difficulty up to absurd levels.

Check out Gain Ground. It's an arcade port but the Genesis version plays faster and has added content. I picked it up recently and it's really blown me away how much fun it is. It looks kind of like a Guantlet clone but there's lots of strategy involved.

Also, if you're into open-ended rpg's the Genesis does those really well. Check out Shadowrun, Pirates! and Starflight to name a few. There's also the Uncharted Waters series but that's also on snes.

>>4124909
Nintendo were, and still are, the worst offenders though

>>4125026
>still getting triggered

>>4125026
Just nintendo of america.

>>4125026
why did Sega censor poison's tits?

>>4124913
>>4124909
Sega wasn't perfect, but at least they had more adult titles than SNES. Night Trap being one of them.

>>4125169
Golgo 13 on NES has a sex scene. Can't remember any Master System scene with something like that.

Skeleton krew if you're into futuristic robot shooter

>>4125169
>Night Trap
>Adult
Are you serioisly mentioning Night Trap as an example of something adult? That game is pure cringe.

>>4124804
They're not really needed unless you're playing fightan games. I prefer the 3 button anyway.

>>4125210
He probably means that Night Trap was the game that caused controversy, Sega had a legal case in the US and it was a factor that contributed to the creation of the ESRB.

Still, this isn't really related to Sega, or Nintendo. This is a very specific western thing, Japan cares a lot less.

>>4125210
Adult as in risque, not adult as in sophisticated.

>>4125026
>>4124909

Why do people care so much about censorship in games? From what I can tell, it's almost always very trivial and non-consequential details of the game like different clothes on a sprite/model or very minor parts of dialog.

>>4125225
Because those changes weren't needed. You aren't getting the game as originally intended by the devs.
It's like watching the american version of Dragon Ball with Mr. Popo being blue instead of black to avoid offending people.

Western people get offended by a lot of insignificant stuff, Japan knows this so in order to avoid getting sued by opportunist lawyers, they change things around for the international releases, sometimes these changes get made in the west though, but a lot of times it's the same developers who decide to make changes to their own games in order to avoid any problem with angry religious people, minorities or feminists.
Funny how feminists were always a problem, back then, and today. Their ideologies have changed 180 degrees, but they are still a pain in the ass all the same.

>>4125231
Why is the game as originally intended by the devs better?

>>4125241
Because it doesn't have unnecessary changes to appeal to people that aren't even the target demography.
I don't give a fuck about religious people, feminists, minorities, etc. But because of them, my games get altered compared to the originals Japanese people get.

>>4125225
>very minor parts of dialogue

>>4125250
This, so fucking much. Normally I don't terribly mind localization changes but there is no excuse for this horseshit. This translation is a fucking abomination.

>>4125231
I am so glad I'm not you.

>>4125253
The feeling is mutual.

>>4125253
t. opportunist lawyer
or
t. minority

>>4125253
Did you get offended?

>>4125248
You are still relying on a fallacious appeal to purity and not demonstrating how the game experience is worsened by the localization process.

It sounds like you dislike the idea of the games being "corrupted" more than the actual changes themselves.

>>4125250
>one example

>>4125248
You are still relying on a fallacious appeal to purity and not demonstrating how the game experience is worsened by the localization process.

It sounds like you dislike the idea of the games being "corrupted" more than the actual changes themselves.

I could just as easily argue that the game experienced is improved by changes like these by putting forth a belief that Japanese people are disgusting and bad writers and their products need to cleaned up to match proper American quality standards.

Your argument stands upon a belief that the original product is inherently better.

>>4125250
>one example

>>4125276
I understand what you're trying to say.
I own a lot of american games, and many of them have censorship. Of course, I'm not going to stop playing them because of that, as the experience is virtually the same.
But is it annoying that they needed to change or remove things just so that this or that group of people won't get offended? Yes it fucking is.
In many cases, censorships means removing assets, so technically, you're getting less of the game than in Japan.

>>4125172
There's been nudity on the Genesis too, though I forgot what games they were.

>>4125210
It doesn't matter if it's cringe or not. That game caused controversy. Nintendo was using that game against Sega in court. Saying something about "Nintendo is family friendly, while our competitors are not". Something like that.

>>4125260
>one example
Well no shit, you can only post one image here. Nintendo do this continuously.

>>4125276
>how the game experience is worsened by the localization process.
Working Designs would frequently mess with the difficulty levels of games, completely unbalancing them and ruining the experience.

>>4125248
You're not the only target market. The reason for the change was to maximize the marketability of the game in the region it was being released into. It was a good call on their part.

You don't give a fuck about all sorts of other people but you expect others to give a fuck about you. That part's funny though.

>>4125259
Lol what would I evenbe offended by? I'm happy I'm not as easily offended as that crybaby.

>>4125284

Less doesn't = better. I feel you though that a lot of the time it is unnecessary
That said, I tend to be sympathetic to some concerns raised by certain groups which is something we will disagree on for sure.

It's important to remember though that Japan is an ethnostate so they don't really have minority racial populations to get offended. They also have very rigid gender roles(gender wage gap is at 64%) and incredibly strict penal system so I would argue that Japanese people are not less easily offended perse, they live in a less free society and far more homogeneous society so these issues don't really come up.

Whether you think it's a good thing or not, feminism and related civil justice movements are a product of a free & diverse society.

>>4125304
This is an important point. These games are mass produced goods designed to make money. On the industry side, they are just products, not works of art.

>>4125310
Sounds like the most offended anon is the one offended by localizations influenced by those dastardly feminists and blacks

>>4125312
>On the industry side, they are just products, not works of art.

In most cases not just the industry side. By and large they're toys, not paintings.

>>4125304
>>4125310
>>4125312
Well, let's say that you get offended at me getting offended at games having to get censored becuase of other people get offended.

The thing is, video game characters aren't real, you shouldn't need to care about how they look or how they dress or how they are killed, they don't exist in the real world.
Also
>free society
Good one, you're not free, but enjoy the illusion that because you can bitch about X thing and get ficitonal works censored you're free.

>>4125312
The idea that censorship = freedom is really weird to me.

Freedom of speech is one of the biggest lies of modern society, it's only "free" when it fits with certain criteria, otherwise we wouldn't be talking about censorship. A free society wouldn't need censorship, that's something I relate to dictatorships.

>>4125320
But I'm not offended, I'm laughing at you and thanking my lucky stars it doesn't bother me like it does you. A little lamer? Sure, but I get why and don't care. You're having a little fit over it and that's golden.

>>4125323
This isn't censorship though, it's localization to optimize the product for it's target audience. No one is censoring them, they're making a business choice.

>>4125325
>I'm not offended
>I'm laughing at you
I think you are at least a bit irked that someone doesn't think exactly like you do, supported by your passive-aggressive attitude, like "i'm just having fun with you, that's why I'm replying and writing long paragraphs about how your line of thought is wrong and mine is right"
>>4125328
Then let's say when dictators decide to burn books it's not censorship, they're just optimizing society for its target audience, they're making a political choice.

>>4125328
What's the business decision? They piss off their actual fans, whereas casual players don't care either way. The only people they appease are 3rd-wave feminists who don't play it anyway.

>>4125320
>you're not free, but enjoy the illusion
this is a whole other can of worms i dont wanna get into on /vr/

>>4125323
There is de facto censorship and de jure censorship

de jure censorship is what you are referring to, in which there are hard pressures like laws, acute social pressure, etc. that cause censorship.

De facto censorship is censorship that occurs by something not being available and by less acute or non-calculated means, such as cognitive bias, cultural values, business as usual, etc.

I could argue that de jure censorship is necessary for black people in video games to counteract the de facto censorship that very seldom portrays the group realistically.

The debate comes down to whether you believe the above is justified. To argue that censorship = less freedom intuitively makes sense, but misses the nuances and complexities of a contemporary diverse society.

>>4125331
I think it's great there are people who think differently from me. I just also think it's funny when people get upset about things I find inconsequential. You're like someone who gets upset at ketchup on steak.

>Then let's say when dictators decide to burn books it's not censorship

No, see that would actually be censorship. Understanding the difference is the key here, friend. :)

>>4125320
>you're not free, but enjoy the illusion
this is a whole other can of worms i dont wanna get into on /vr/

>>4125323
There is de facto censorship and de jure censorship

de jure censorship is what you are referring to, in which there are hard pressures like laws, acute social pressure, etc. that cause censorship.

De facto censorship is censorship that occurs by something not being available and by less acute or non-calculated means, such as cognitive bias, cultural values, business as usual, etc.

I could argue that de jure censorship is necessary for black people in video games to counteract the de facto censorship that very seldom portrays the group realistically.

The debate comes down to whether you believe the above is justified. To argue that censorship = less freedom intuitively makes sense, but misses the nuances and complexities of a contemporary diverse society.

>>4125332
lol

>>4125343
Yeah, I don't think censorship is necessary in fictional works, ever.
If you get offended by a fictional work, close your eyes, don't look at it, do something else. If there's a video game that offends you, that video game isn't going to kill you, or enslave you, or forbid you from doing anything.
People will always get offended, we need to try to co-exist with that diversity.
It's funny, modern society wants diversity, by narrowing down different points of view and cultures. Almost as if someone wanted a global line of thought.

>>4125342
>things I find
There's the key, you find, not me. You find it funny that people think differently from you, and get all passive-aggressive about it, the smilie at the end of your post was, indeed, golden.

Also, both are censorship. The ideal would be having the option to get the original or the modified version, which thankfully we can now thanks to having access to buying japanese games online, or emulation, but back then there was no option, you only could get the game that someone decided to censor without your consent.

>>4125365
>There's the key, you find, not me.
Yeah. That's why it's funny. Glad you liked my :)

>>4125356
>Yeah, I don't think censorship is necessary in fictional works, ever.

Agreed, but this isn't censorship. These are products designed for mass consumption to profit a corporation. It's much closer to changing the color paint on a G.I. Joe toy to make it sell more than it is censoring a work of literature for artistic reasons.

>>4125356
I think you misread my point.

My point is that censorship always exists in the form of de facto censorship. There's not such thing as a "pure" or "free" thought as there are a million factors that contribute to that process.

The argument I bring up is based on the fact that groups are portrayed in the media differently.
http://file.scirp.org/pdf/AJC_2016120514302422.pdf
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/9781118783764.wbieme0146/abstract;jsessionid=A205211BC9FD77CE830DBB2F940895AF.f02t04?userIsAuthenticated=false&deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=
http://ijoc.org/index.php/ijoc/article/viewFile/2691/1325

These portrayals in the media have been shown to influence's people's perception and decision making
http://sophia.stkate.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1478&context=msw_papers

So, if we see negative stereotypes existing in the media, and those have demonstrated effects on perception and decision making, it might not be that much of a stretch to connect some dots to the shown trend that resumes with black sounding names are less likely to get a callback than those with white sounding names.
http://www.nber.org/papers/w9873.pdf
Similarly, people with black sound names are less likely to receive a callback when inquiring about public services and black sounding names conjure up less realistic stereotypes than white sounding names
http://ftp.iza.org/dp9290.pdf
http://www.ehbonline.org/article/S1090-5138(15)00079-3/fulltext

Your claim that a fictional work isn't going to forbid you from doing something is likely false.
One way of counteracting that might be to pressure mass media content publishers to make slight alterations to their content so undo some of the de facto censorship.

>>4125375
This isn't just changing the color of a toy though, it's removing things like crosses, skin colors or dialogues in order to avoid someone getting offended and taking legal actions on it.
They're removing these because of ideology reasons, not marketing reasons. They don't do it to "sell more".

>>4125398
>in order to avoid someone getting offended and taking legal actions on it.

More importantly to sell more copies. That's the bottom line. It's always all about sales.

>>4125394
>So, if we see negative stereotypes existing in the media, and those have demonstrated effects on perception and decision making

Then the problem would be, maybe, education? culture?
The works of fiction shouldn't be altered, it's people who need to open their minds. By censoring content in the media, you aren't going to solve problems that have existed throughout all of humanity's history, if anything it's going to cause even more friction and issues.
I also believe that "pure" and "free" thought is possible, but not under the current situation of human civilization. But as you said, that's a different can of worms.

>>4125407
It's about not losing money. By getting sued you lose money and you also lose reputation. But in the end, who's right and who's wrong?
Law changes constantly, and it's often manipulated according to different interests.

Golden Axe 2

>>4125409
>Then the problem would be, maybe, education? culture?
There are a number of factors that all influence each other, media being one of them.

It depends how you categorize vidya. Most people consider it a form of mass media, and not artwork perse and thus fair game to criticize for it's social effects.

Someone on my side could argue that the content creators/publishers need to open their minds and become more aware of their internal biases that end up in their work. Pressure from consumers can help do that.

>>4125410
I think it's all about making vs losing money. You can call it whatever you want. I call it a smart market decision for the social climate of the time. If I was a Nintendo shareholder it's what I would have wanted.

>>4125428
>Pressure from consumers can help do that.
In an ideal, free world, consumers who don't agree with a game creator would just ignore that game and move on.

I think everyone should be able to make any games they want, and it's up to different people to like it or not, but nobody should demand a piece of work to be changed because it doesn't fit their line of thought.
I just notice society is becoming more and more intolerant, under the premise of things like "diversity" and "freedom". It's kind of scary, reminds me of 1984.

>>4125435
Fine, but be aware that the people who would get angry about the stuff that was censored are still a minority, the main demographic doesn't care about all that.
hence why it's not about "more sales"; it's about evading legal issues.

>>4124757
Revenge of shinobi

>>4125440
I see it as the opposite, in typical sjw libtard cuck fashion, to me it appears that marginalized groups are moving up which comes off as oppression to the ruling class but we shall leave that discussion for another day (and another board)

Good chatting with you.

>>4125443
This is very spectacularly. That sex scene in GTA San Adreas caused a lot of controversy and probably (though i dont really know) hurt sales.

That said, just because a business does something to increase sales doesn't mean it will work.

In business, avoiding legal issues is a risk/reward analysis. It just comes down to money which isn't sales exactly, but if you have a ton of lawsuits for your game, that cuts into your profits.

>>4125443
>Fine, but be aware that the people who would get angry about the stuff that was censored are still a minority, the main demographic doesn't care about all that.

I don't think you're right about either back then or now.

Also there was never really a threat that religious groups would sue Nintendo over seeing a cross in the game.

Shot in the dark are you also the guy who lost his shit when I pointed out jocks in the 80's and 90's were also often gamers?

>>4125452
The way I see it, marginalized groups and "ruling class" aren't all that different, because the ones we believe that are "ruling" over us, aren't the real rulers. And they are able to manipulate a wide array of different people, believing they are fighting for something, when in reality, all that's happening is the old "divide and conquer", a technique that has been perfected through many centuries.
Fighting over video games is a prime example of this, and the very definition of "1st world problems".
I don't visit /pol/ though, I have my own ideas, the few times I visited that board I just saw too many memes and false-flagging to take it seriously.
But same here, good chatting, it's possible to have different ideals, and that doesn't mean we should insult each other, we should co-exist.

>>4125459
>I don't think you're right about either back then or now.
It's hard to tell, but if I had to bet, I think most people enjoying video games don't really care about all this stuff, they just want to play.
>Also there was never really a threat that religious groups would sue Nintendo over seeing a cross in the game.
How are you sure about that? And not a cross, but didn't Nintendo had to change the star and the moon symbol from Ocarina of Time due to muslims?
And no I'm not the guy you're thinking of, in fact I think "gamers" don't exist (ar at least, didn't exist as a urban tribe back in retro times, maybe it's a thing now), anyone can enjoy video games, jocks included.

>>4125482
It's an educated guess, I'm not entirely sure and in reality it's likely a combination of factors. But I also think it doesn't really matter. In the end the games are a product and the point of localization is to make the product most marketable. Whether they remove a muslim symbol more because they don't want to be sued or more because they want to possibly sell more carts to muslims isn't really important. It's just like changing the text from Japanese to English.

I can see where you're going with there not being gamers. Agree for the most part.

>>4125509
OOT was already a million seller before they had to make the changes though. One of the few cases I can think of a game that actually got released without censorship in the west, and was changed in later presses of the game.
They also took this opportunity to change Ganondorf's blood from red to green.

>>4125452
>That sex scene in GTA San Adreas caused a lot of controversy and probably (though i dont really know) hurt sales.
If anything i'd say the controversy increased sales. Althpugh a forced re-classification to AO would certainly have killed sales.

>>4125524
That's fine then. I still wouldn't call it censorship, but the world is different than it was in 1998.

>>4125530
Yeah I can see that being the case. I think at the time though, most video game buyers were kid's parents.

>>4124757
Contra Hard Corps
Rocket Knight Adventures
Castlevania Bloodlines

>>4125571
Fuck HC. So many scripted sequences and it doesn't start getting interesting until near the end. Also so many autoscrollers that it might as well be a shmup.

>>4125276
The original product is inherently better. Its fucking art, get it?

>>4125618
Top bait

Vaporwave reccomendations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIIRtWPYBtg
Worked on by the same studio that made Neon Genesis Evangelion (Gainax)

Space Harrier 32x identical to the arcade

If you like Space Harrier try: Panorama Cotton (Japan)

Twinkle Tale. If you like top down 2d shooters also if you like sword and fantasy anime vaporwave style

Eccho The Dolphin

anything else to add here? pls reply me

>>4126972
Also remember that Ecco has a debug menu where you can play with the tempo of the music for even more aesthetics. Ecco's music is amazing

>>4125585
Fuck you

>>4124757
All Sonic games
Monster world and Monster World IV
Mega Turrican
Castlevania Bloodlines
Rocket Knight Adventures
Chiki Chiki Boys
Garfield

>>4128249
>Mega Turrican
Loved this so much.