/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT EVENTS ===

QUMP
-Two maps still in progress
-https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Zlfb2U2VCeS70uS6Klc2ZEOC9KtnYyCyBXEmeetjh0c/edit
-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp_ZqCZPJKk

OP
-2016 torrent of idgames archive is gone; needs replacement?
-Looking for more unique images to start each thread with

=== NEWS ===

[7-12] Spaceman333's early release of his slow motion addon, adds actual slow-mo
>>/vr/thread/4110771#p4111091

[7-12] BloodGDX 0.770 released; adds widescreen support, new HUD, additional voxels, fix vertical aim, etc
http://m210.duke4.net/

[7-9] New test build of TerminusEst's High Noon Drifter available
https://www.dropbox.com/s/t84eaksqg5au9gx/HighNoonDrifter-prerelease_final.pk3?dl=1

[7-3] Anon makes a joke map while waiting for QUMP
https://mega.nz/#!lQQSSIjC!TtptcHyxmxi0STHHkYm067tbfCm8yBI77CiIsUIC18k

[7-3] ROOTPAIN V2; the sequel nobody wanted
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/94860-rootpain-v2/

[7-2] scalliano's SUPER Shuffle released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=56220

[7-1] Doom Retro 2.5 released
https://www.doomworld.com/profile/13784-bradharding/?status=1728077&type=status

[6-29] Wildweasel releases No Shotguns For You 2, replacing all shotgun-related entities with automatics
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=57073&p=1006547

[6-26] Russian Overkill 2.5 released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=29915&start=1365#p1005931

[6-25] BloodGDX updated to 0.769, improves mouse control
http://m210.duke4.net/index.php/files/viewdownload/9-java/50-bloodgdx

[6-24] Spaceman333 released a Slo-Mo addon
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=57013

[6-24] Anon release; Lawgiver weapon
https://www.dropbox.com/s/f0mph24m8vglyu8/lawgiver.pk3?dl=0

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=== PROTIP ===

If you would like to submit any news or your personal map or mod releases here, or want to contribute to the OP, please reply/backlink to the OP or this post.

>>4117396
gass pedall pretty good

i still use mine for overwatch

>>4117396
Just wanna say thanks to all my fellow doomers and quakers out there. All the doom and quake dads who have been there for me, talked to me about life after multiplayer matches and Hell On Earth Starter Pack co-op playthroughs. Really helped me out when I didn't have people to talk to. I'm glad I got to talk to all of you, and you might think I'm a sap or a pussy or whatever, but I grew up with Doom and talking to you guys about our common shared experience with D1 and D2 is crucial for my daily happiness now. Ive never related more with a group of people in my life, and none of you even have a face. Just.. thanks. Please post your best agitated bone men for me

>>4117440
Through agitation, we achieve unity, I'm glad to hear you feel so happy about these threads and this weird little community.

>>4117452
you guys are the best
not many people can put up with my cancer and you guys did. cute agitate, CUTE

>>4117440
I can't be bothered to read your post because of Mall Cop

>Try out +TOUCHY on the playerpawn
>Mere act of jumping kills you
Brilliant

>>4117529
>red

>>4117529
>whooping 10 vitality

>>4117552
I-It's a work in progress I swear

why

guys, I think I have sinusitis

>Map 7 in a megawad
>it's Dead Simple
I'm getting sick of this shit

>>4112405

I have a friend mapping for this game

>when it comes out?
>who knows? lol

>>4117585
I'm going to call my map07 Simply Dead and have it be a five minute walking sim devoid of monsters or items with Fairground backing in the background.

>>4112723

wtf, I didn't know seals shouted that way

>>4112723
incredible

>>4117440
Welcome, mate. Doom is fun.

>>4117571
Hope you get better anon

>>4117628

thanks anon, I'm drowning in my own mucus, I can't sleep

Didn't get any replies in the last thread. Do you know any working setups for D4D? I can't seem to get it working no matter what I try. I try to load it up, it gives errors regarding cvars or animations, and that's it.

Snusnu when?

>>4117585
I blame Alien Vendetta for this. In the 90's, the only megawad that truly did a dead simple clone was Plutonia, and quite a lot of maps in Plutonia were clones of something anyway. After Alien Vendetta, you started seeing it in the Scythes, Hell Revealed 2, Kama Sutra, Community Chest series, etc

>>4117602
>Reach MAP07
>It's Dead Simple but with dead Mancubi and Arachnotron corpses everywhere on top of blood
>All the items are taken
>Hit the exit switch
>The platform takes you on an elevator ride showcasing various Dead Simple variants other famous megawads have done
>At the end of the ride you're taken to the Dead Simple factory

Is there a way to turn the numbers in a string into an integer in ACS? Like if I have the string "24" and want to turn it into an int of 24.

I got all of the sounds in for this guy, and he's pretty much done mechanically, all that's left is to add the special deaths for him

https://my.mixtape.moe/zsxykl.webm
I'm actually getting closer and closer to getting this update finished and it's freaking me out

>>4117706
I really want to hear what it sounds like to fight 5 of these guys at once.

>>4117729
Because you asked for it.

https://my.mixtape.moe/jyiaum.webm

>>4117694
I figured it out, I don't know how '0' works, but it does.

>>4117762
Aw, less taunt spam than I had hoped. Though this does show he's easily defeated by circle strafing, is that okay for an archvile replacement?

>>4117770
That's fine with me, he's actually far less dangerous than arcvhile but he makes up for it by having more annoying attacks.

I wanna make this guy more 'scary'.

What should I do with him?
Put a bag on his head?
Give him a welder's mask?
Try give him a monster face?

>>4117779
I think it's more about sound design and monster placement.

>>4117792
He already has sound and code.

I want to make him yet more distinct from zombies with guns, make him something else besides a baldy.

>>4117779
replaces his head with the Hungry.

>>4117803
The what?

What is it about doom?
Why do I still play it and come to these threads?
What is wrong with me

>>4117804
Ah sorry I'm too used to the name they've got in DRLA.

These assholes. They're called Flesh Spawn on Realm667

>>4117806
It's a really good game.

>>4117808
I'm already going to use a variant of that, also that would look goofy.

what are your favourite sprites from any /vr/FPS?
for some reason blood\s aesthetic really gets to me

>>4117673
What version of GZDoom do you have? Do you have the most recent?

>>4117680
i prefer the sprite version with the skull head but she's pretty damn fine either way t b h

>>4117831
I really like the weapon graphics of Shadow Warrior, though I don't think the game itself is that amazing, I'd much rather play Duke or Blood, which are much more fun.

>>4117831
powerslave
some doom wads, like epic and epic2 use these textures as well

>>4117397
REPOSTING BECAUSE I'M A HUGE FAGGOT

Right, here's the Masters of Doom audiobook, now with x2 the dolphin porn. These are all mega.nz links, so slap that in front of the URLs.

>#!VWhCGR7Y!Hu5-ZQMgmdOhaZcv8qeCnhcW4YWlt_5MkkJckHTpOWw
>#!EHxFFI5a!hGSjr3fytI8h9EhEuExtsTQYLwXAivP15fhdk3t26Y8
>#!kOQU1LhC!vb2fPkRcpmFGXhxjPE6WPznQ_t50D3jZbXmcZEFg73U

>>4117881
My man. Have you played Return to Ruins?

>turn off hd textures in marathon
>suddenly the game looks decent

>>4117831
I like the status bar faces

>>4117894
no, but ill give it a try

Perfect

aight my fellow drama eaters!

today we're back to d4d split, and this time, i brought ya some food: a few screenshots of d4d discord that are so unapologetically shitheaded that i can't even, at all.

here, mister ponyfaggot and his kissass sidekick mister noname are conspiring to plagiarize the ever living fucksickles out of still warm work of their former leader.

figuring out whether they are really shameless enough to do it in public section, or simply braindead, is an exercise left to reader.

mark my words people, we'll see some fireworks soon.

>>4117943
Fuck off back to your home subreddit, dramafag.

>>4117943
what maps...?

>>4117943
oh no a thing has occurred how unfortunate

The only drama I care about is Graf breaking shit with each update.

>>4117943
So...what are these maps?

>>4117943
Who cares?

>>4117943
is that the fucking failed subject who got to be in charge of D4D? LMFAO!

>>4117959
I do. (Not >>4117943 )
And, honestly, I think it would be better if Major Cooke left D4D, not DBT.
Now I'm stuck with choice between good balance and new features.
D4D 2.0.3 (last one before DBT left) had both, AND wasn't a pain in my entire lower half to get working. Why did it have to become a trainwreck like that...

>>4117849
I tried using the recommended 2.2.0 and also the latest version. First one had one error and failed to load. Second one had another and failed to load. I have the resources package in the same folder as the main file. If I load the main file first I get errors. If I load the resources first I get vanilla Doom.

inb4 >>4117943 is that Maxwell guy.

But yes what maps? Will D4D have a mapset? That's cool

>>4117943
Major Cooke is a Major Crook.

>>4117779
I'm thinking of maybe giving him a pair of goggles, and make him drool more blood.

>>4116982
>>4116996
yeah even fallout was moddable.

>>4117320
> you must learn to face your demons
> this young chap is

>>4116589
> mfw map08 hits and "shit got real" with that exit platform that can actually kill you because it doesnt have a lift out of the acid, and being locked in with the barons worshipping the cyber and having to time when you're going to get the invuln
> mfw map09 and you're either getting shot to death or the flying rotten apples are ruining your day with all their lost soul spam
> mfw map10 and half my deaths were chalked up to the fucking revenants that can pretty much go anywhere on the map, and then there's that cyber encounter at the end.
> mfw map11 and omg its acid, and being chaingunned, and chased down by so many cacos
> mfw map12 was comfy af, but still strangely get owned by the spiders and the fatasses.
> mfw map13 and omg its revenants all over the place

I can't seem to get the dim colour of GZDoom's menu to change away from yellow, whether I set it in the display options or in a custom MAPINFO. Does it work for anyone?

>tfw waiting for qump

New Intermission when?

HELLO DOOMGUYS/GAL AFTER A 4 DAY B& STINT WHICH I WILL NOT TALK ABOUT, I MADE THIS KICKASS OBLIGE MAP THAT'LL REMIND YOU OF SHIT LIKE HR2 & ALIEN VENDETTA! CHECK IT OUT!!!!!

https://a.uguu.se/jl42GZFVYCzF_TheWretchedKnowledge.wad

This is a 24 hour temporary download link for 11 oblige maps of a large size, up to 800 monsters with no puzzles, some secrets, only insane carnage! IS VANILLA COMPATIBLE

I'm the Quake 2-level designer whom is currently designing levels for Quake 2. I have made a level design-Discord (with around 50 people in it now, mostly from Quake-backgrounds), and would enjoy the company of other level designers as well.

You can join it here if you want:

https://discord.gg/f4UV7We

Pic related, from my latest Quake 2-singleplayer unit. It's a staircase where I made each stepping stone separately.

>>4118162
aren't you special

>>4118162
looks darn good
> but those butterface lights on the cieling

>>4118170
oh wait im guessing those are light source objects and the player wouldnt actually see those
> nvm

>>4118170
Pretty sure that's just what lights look like in whatever Q2 map editor he's using, they don't look like that ingame.

>>4118162
boy, you better have clip brushes on those crooked-ass stairs

>>4118176
> i can't wait to be a piece of shit and get stuck on all these stairs
> oh fuck i'm getting stuck on all these stairs
:y

>>4118184
does quake 2 not support stairs or something? in q1 all those weird surfaces are just asking for the player to be totally unable to stand still 'cause he'll keep sliding down the tiny slopes

>>4118159

what the fug is habbening in that gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLzkUCeZWK8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cbm3k9xIonk

>>4118197
I bet there's some crazy mathematical movement optimization programmed by Carmack that generally smooths out movement across different terrains with minimal performance impact, but breaks down when used with repeated consecutive hard angles at short intervals. So stairs need to have special collision geometry that differs from the visual representation. BTW I have no idea what I'm talking about so it's just a guess.

>>4117779
>>4118072
Try putting black/dark rings around his eyes, so it's like they're sunken. Maybe remove the frowning eyebrows too, because they look a little cheesy.

>>4118207
your guess isn't really right unfortunately, the player just auto-scales any ledges within about 16 units vertically (in q1 anyway) and a bunch of sharp corners next to each other would probably only affect vis time
if you give stairs special collision (i.e. a slope) the player won't get the tiny bit of view shake as they climb them, but they'll also be unable to stand still on them and will constantly slowly slide downwards; however if you have uneven stairs like in >>4118162 it's a crapshoot that the player will go up them smoothly and you have to make sure none of the gaps are bigger than the 16-unit 'auto stair size' if that makes sense

you could also make the whole uneven staircase an illusionary brush and just put clip brushes in the shape of a normal stair set but that might be more shit going on than necessary

>>4118159
oh you are still alive. i had looked for this at the weekend.

-complevel 9 demo of the first map. bit of a grind, especially dozens of cacos vs single shotgun at the start. other players might like to use a moderate power up weapon mod / dehacked patch.

https://a.uguu.se/vYslJsMzsHv0_TheWretchedKnowledge-01-4257.lmp

>>4118162
>I'm the Quake 2-level designer whom is currently designing levels for Quake 2.
no surprises here then. that's what i'd expect a quake 2 level designer to do, after all.

>>4118259
Dark rings sounds interesting.
The eyebrows are OG Doom, but I'll mull that over.

>>4117943
>ponies
>XD
>Meh.
>this guys general attitude
What are you doing in a discord with these cretins?
What are you doing in a shitscord in the first place?

>>4118319
well OBVIOUSLY i'm sitting there 24/7 waiting for the smallest bit of JUICY DRAMA so i can RUN over here and post it on 4chan for LULZ.

note to moderators: this post is satire.

>>4118319
why are you contributing to cringe culture

>>4118332
I didn't even use the word cringe. That just seems like an obnoxious crowd.

http://culture.vg/reviews/videogame-art/not-art-doom.html

Shit.... this guy just laid an ONSLAUGHT on our game, our way of living!

>They didn't even seem to know what a level is because it would give you a new level's name on the screen while still being the same fucking level! People today have even been brainwashed (via inveterate pseudo-criticism and relentless googling) to think Doom was a masterpiece of level design and Romero a master level designer. Well, if going nuts and autistically copy-pasting identikit corridors all over the place in a level editor all day long counts as "level design", maybe. But it doesn't. Level design is what The Super Shinobi has, which starts off at the ninja village, and then moves on to the waterfall outside the village, and the city, and the nightclub, and the military base, and the transport plane, and so on all the way to the Neo Zeed labyrinth complex at the end — NEARLY A DECADE BEFORE DOOM'S RELEASE. That's level design: distinct levels, but connected by narrative logic. And the corridors and staircases and ledges in the levels come AFTER you have decided on the type of environment you are designing, which decision of course is dependent on the narrative, which presupposes that you have one. This stuff matters ridiculously more than where a particular ledge is placed in any given level. And I couldn't give less of a fuck how well your stupid ledges are placed if the environment you have designed is so drab, monotonous and boring that I get depressed by the mere thought of spending any time there.

How do we respond to this bros?

Is it known the reason why Eternal Doom 4 was never finished? according to the wiki not developed further after the release of the teaser/demo

we don't because it's bait

>>4118348
Someone please delete this post, it bothers me!!!!

>>4118353
not you, >>4118357 meant the post above you. no idea about that other than other than to speculate the authors interest waned after the demo was done.

>>4117684
Watched Evolution of the Wad recently did you?

Are there any must play Quake 2 mods on the level of Arcane Dimensions?

>>4117684
what about hell revealed, it has a semi map07 clone arena shaped an 8-legged thing with a horned head + stinger on its butt, few dozen arachnotrons must be killed to raise thingie to reach exit switch

idtendo shitcube

>>4118408
Reminds me of those warp portals in Crash 3
Is there any Quake mod inspired by SM64 or Crash Bandicoot?

>>4118348
>How do we respond to this bros?
no one cares about your article, go away

>>4118413
>Reminds me of those warp portals in Crash 3
I wasn't expecting someone to get the inspiration that fast, good eye/good taste! I was trying to figure out a way to make spinny things like the Crash 3 portals and was having no luck until I remembered skip textures exist and slapped skip on the outside of a cube, with a view of E1M1 (cube-view, using the Blinky Quake port) on the inside, and holy shit it werks.

It would look a lot better as a sphere, of course, but I've yet to find a good way to render a map to a sphere instead of a cube and I'm rubbish at making curved brushes anyway (Trenchbroom has no 'make cylinder/globe/etc' function).

If you stare at the cube long enough, you start seeing the texture as the outside instead of the inside, and it starts looking like it's made of jell-O. Oh god my eyes.

>>4118391
Terrible map regardless

>>4118168
Aren't I. :3c

>>4118170
>>4118172
This is what it looks like in-game (old picture btw, I've changed a few things since then).

>>4118176
>>4118276
>>4118184
>>4118197
I've tested the staircase and it works fine. I've updated it too so it works a little better and smoother for the player without needing additional clip-brushes.

>>4118301
Of course. Such is the life of a Quake 2-level designer.

>>4117983
When you say the latest version, do you mean the latest devbuild or the latest stable?

What are your hopes on Ion Maiden?

>>4118689
not retro

>>4118663
I always try to avoid unstable devbuilds. This is the error I'm getting

Script error, "D4D.pk3:animdefs.aed" line 3:
Unknown texture UAC_ROT0

>>4118691
>Eduke32
>Not retro

Why not? It's an idealized mod

>>4118698
hm. my mistake.
i'll admit i don't follow the bombshell nonsense.

>>4118697
D4D is one of Those Mods that always uses the most cutting-edge tech, so try one of the devbuilds.

>>4118703
What I don't understand is that the official instructions on which combinations are the most stable are not giving any results, and are outright discouraging the use of devbuilds. Specifically stating that the newest version of the mod works with 2.2.0 version of GZDoom

>>4118689
i hope they're not going to market it on /vr/.

>>4118712
Is that so?
Then I haven't a clue, unfortunately.

???

>>4118725
i hope you're not jumping.

>>4118730
Yes, I am.

>>4118725
sedlo is the name of a late 90s / early 00s speedrunner who was known for rocket jumps (which you need to do, to reach that hidden space)

surprisingly the doom wiki doesn't mention this

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/MAP03:_Cargo_Depot_%28Alien_Vendetta%29

unrelated: someone doesn't like saudi arabia.

only a few hours until 4chan filenames switch to 15xxxx

>>4118732
well the wad wasn't designed for it. remember that if you find anything else weird or you get stuck or think you've beaten a map with 99% of the monsters still alive or whatever.

>>4118742
Shit, really?

Man. I remember when filenames were still in the 12Xs.

How do I jump into a ST or ZD game with you guise?

>>4118750
1100000000 2004-11-09 11:33:20 UTC
1200000000 2008-01-10 21:20:00 UTC
1300000000 2011-03-13 07:06:40 UTC
1400000000 2014-05-13 16:53:20 UTC
1500000000 2017-07-14 02:40:00 UTC
1600000000 2020-09-13 12:26:40 UTC

>>4118765
This is some meta only a turbo-autist would care about

>>4118873
just where do you think you are

>>4117585
Well there are sector tags that are hardcoded in doom 2 that are scripted to either lower or raise when all mancubi or arachnos are killed specifically for map07.

Its obviously optional as a design choice but there are many ways to skin a cat, Sunlusts map07 had all of its secrets contain one mancubi that if you killed the entire set, revealed the way to a bfg arena

help me remember this megawad lads

There is this one map that takes place on a space base, and you can see like an airstrip and a spacecraft in the distance. it's all pretty brown colored

that's all I remember

>>4118159
I'm assuming gas leak

>>4118915
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_xCF9sdErA
Was it this one?

>>4118915
assault on tei tenga?

>>4118940
no; it had all of these square areas and you ran around the raised portions. Lots of zombiemen and shotgunners. Pretty sure it wasn't a 1-map deal

>>4118959
ok

>>4118951
no... Now that I think of it, the spaceship thing might not be part of it.

-it had all of these square shaped connected raised base areas that you fought on; lots of zombiemen
-it took place in space somewhere. The skybox was black/space
-lots of brown textures and base textures
-was pretty big

>>4117585
>dead simple is your absolute favorite map
>seeing another take on it makes you excite
who else?

>>4119040
for first time plays i enjoy "clever" uses of the tags. by which i mean those i haven't seen or thought of before. i enjoy discovering how a new megawad has decided to use the tags.

on replays it's just the same as any other map, once you've seen how it works, it just becomes is this slow or tedious or repetitive or otherwise annoying, or is it brisk or smooth or satisfying in some way to finish, same as any other map.

>>4118742
>>4118750
>>4118765
>>4118873

what does this mean anyway... some algorithm for determining the random number it gives to filenames?

>>4119080
unix time

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_time

>>4118391
Hell Revealed map07 isn't a full clone, as while it is an arena, it completely lacks mancubi, and therefore, only uses tag 667.

>reach map30 in random megawad
>figuring out what gimmick the icon has and how to kill it
always fun

>>4118689
>google it
>tell google to shut the fuck up that I didn't want to google iron maiden
>it's an actual 90s FPS style game made by a joint venture of people working on the sourceport of duke nukem and community mappers

isn't it kind of embarrassing that the duke nukem community worked it out before the doom community?

>>4119127
Have you...not paid attention?

>>4119127
how
nu
r
u

>>4119127
>before the doom community?

It's been almost a decade since the release of Harmony, friend.

>>4119115
>kill the IoS in a wad
>the rectangle of explosion effects that pops up just kinda hovers in mid air somewhere

lol

>>4119137
yeah the code was very poorly/lazily implemented, without any thought for modding at all.

>>4119127
worked what out?

>Hdusk
well, that's happening, apparently

>>4119259
Elaborate

>>4119259
I don't know what half the monsters look like to boot

>>4119259
since they brought on robotjoe to make all the models look much better, and joe's a fantastic hentai artist, i'm not really surprised

>>4117396
MADE A COUPLE DOOM WALLPAPERS

1/2

>>4119350

2/2

>>4119350
>>4119353
good stuff

>>4119358

>>4119358
So I suppose chaingunners do use chaingun tapping.

>>4118915
Sounds like Daedalus: Alien Defense to me, minus the brown.

>There are a variety of hazardous environments. Walking on sand or asphalt in direct sunlight will cause damage.

>>4119358
I made this gif and I want attention

Is there a definitive Quake map pack everyone should play? I don't know any websites or communities that work on Quake stuff except for these threads. I just need my Quake fix.

>>4119382
okay, fine. good job buddy
:)
dude, c'mon

>>4119353

"uhh-huuh"

>>4119335
Source on this info please? the DUSKdev twitter doesn't really have anything and robotjoe has it tagged as fanart.
>hentai artist
m8

>>4117883
you're not a faggot, you're great.

I've been listening to this over the last few days - great stuff. Never knew so much about romero and carmacks early pre-Id years. Didn't realize Romero had a wife and kids by like age 22.


I occasionally do yell out SHUT UP WESLEY! though....

>>4119335
Isn't he the guy who does plane porn?

>>4119393
I don't know about "definitive" but I think you should play Beyond Belief and Arcane Dimensions. The former is a very old but very well-made episode that successfully captures what made Quake's stock maps fun. The latter is recent and has a lot of new stuff (items, monsters, weapons, etc.) with maps over 5 times the size of the stock maps. I think a lot of AD is actually tedious crap, but the good maps it has (mostly from sock) are truly excellent and among the best ever made.

Outside of those map packs, I think you should play everything made by czg and sock.

Also, if anyone tells you to play DOPA, ignore that guy. It's uninspired, predictable and repetitive trash.

>I don't know any websites or communities that work on Quake stuff except for these threads.
http://celephais.net/board/forum.php

>>4119394
sorry

>>4117529
Are you making a Kirby WAD?

What do you think of John Romero's remade e1m4 and e1m8?

>>4119553
I like them both. Romero still knows how to make a good map.

>>4119553
Good stuff.

>>4119553
>>4119558
how's his new project going?

>>4119553
A bit too tight in some areas, but mostly good. Too much detail for a doom-style map imo too.

Good gameplay, overall.

>>4119553
I liked both. Here's hoping he does a Quake map one day. A man can only dream.

>>4119553
E1M8b is a terrific map that brings the more evolved style of level design of his work in Quake to Doom. There's so much interconnectivity and different possible map flows packed in the first half/island of the level. More Doom mappers should learn from it, so far I only see that kind of thing in Quake maps.

E1M4b is rather unremarkable, but still well-paced fun. Also, great use of spectres in the final encounter, totally caught me off guard.

>>4119553
Romero should redesign some of the shittier Doom 2 maps.
Y'know, like, all of them.

>>4119629
Why don't we?

>>4119636
Excluding D2TWID, which isn't really redesigning them anyway, none of those projects work out.

>>4119667
The problem with D2TWID is that it purposefully sucked in all the same ways that D2 sucked in the first place. I mean it's accurate, it's more or less better than Doom 2, but it still sucks.

>>4119636
"let's remake doom 2" projects are a dime a dozen

>>4119691
It doesn't have to be a complete remake, just pick a map you hate and make it not suck.

>>4119696
i think i would be better off making a map that i like

>>4119696
>The Pit
>It just has an exit straight to The Factory

>>4119703
>The Factory
>It just has an exit straight to Downtown

>>4119709
>The Gantlet
>It just has an exit straight to Dis

>>4119703
missing out refuelling base and circle of death entirely? why?
>>4119718
that's not even in the same game

So riddle me this, I add weapon frames in .pk3, add the frames in weapon and no matter what I do, I just can't equip the weapon. Game treats it like it's non existant. why is this?

>>4119767
Do you know what you're doing with DECORATE? or are you just randomly adding frames without looking for "Goto" pointers?

Read up on DECORATE and you will be able to work out what's going on.

>>4119767
Make sure the graphics are within markers.

>>4119767
could be several possible things

maybe you put in the frames wrong
maybe you used a frame that doesn't exist
maybe you didn't put the sprites in folders
maybe you didn't actually include the weapon

>>4119771
>>4119775
>>4119779
I forget you have to put a number at the end of the sprite/frame filename

>>4119789

>>4119764
Maybe because all three of those maps are hot garbage

>>4119685
IMO, Doom 2 doesn't suck at all, and D2TWID was far better than DTWID.

I honestly feel like the whole "Doom 2 sucks after map06/11 guys" thing is just a meme at this point.

>>4119842
Doom 2 sucks when you reach map02 because it means the user wad is over.

Tangentially related to Doom/other older FPSs: are there any good guides for making a 6-sided skybox (cube format, not spherical) out of photographs? Everything I've found is either 'line it up with a premade skybox and deal with the distortion' or links to dead archives, outdated tools or 404'd message boards.

Doesn't have to be something that loads a premade image- I've got a camera and a tripod and can stitch together a panorama if need be, although another issue is that there's lots of tools for cylinder-style (Doom-esque) skyboxes and I'm looking for things relating to cubical style ones.

>>4119850
Nah, there's a fair few good maps in Doom 2, Refueling Base, Crusher, The Living End and Circle Of Death comes to mind

Haters need to get out. Doom 2 is great. Sandy just goes full retard with the level design and we got great shit like Tricks & Traps

>>4119791
you think circle of death is "hot garbage"? why? are you confusing it with something else?

>>4119859
>Doom 2 is great
I think it's more a mixed bag, there's good, bad and mediocre levels in there.

>>4119548
Yeah, at least attempting. Not sure what to do about enemy sprites as there's so many of them, though. Even MS Paint Doom only did one sprite rotation (as shown in picture with my palette).

>>4119892
that's megawads for you, i've not found one yet that doesn't have both:

- one or more levels that were good enough to make me glad i downloaded it

- one or more levels that were flawed in ways that made me think "what were they thinking when they let this into the release!?"

and doom2 is no exception.

Is blue key in BTSX2 map14 really there just to activate crusher traps?

>>4119896
Solution: Only do three rotations: Forward, away, facing left/right

>>4119914
GZDoom doesn't support 4 rotations (why? idk), so they won't be evened out properly due to the diagonal facing rotations.

>>4119928
well you could always try making them face left/right when going diagnol, or just face away/towards the player for those frames

New to this thread but an oldfag who grew up on this shit, been playing Wolfy 3D for the first time in 20 years and it's just like coming home again. Decided to play every id software FPS and related-engine games, starting with Wolfenstein and Doom. Already finding new stuff I never knew about when I was a kid playing these motherfuckers on my 386. Something about these old FPS games just resonates in my bones, and I am now just fucking obsessed. Downloaded everything I can find, even Chex quest for shits sakes. I blame Quake. I never got to play it when it was new, only recently did I get a chance to play it and I fell in love. Ever since I have been aching to explore all these wacky games. And now I'm writing a blog, fuck it, I fucking love these games god damn.

>>4119930
I'll work something out, I just can't stand the uneven rotations.

How many frames do animation spritesheets typically have? I've been thinking and I've come to the conclusion that using the 3d editing program I have (Modo) it would be incredibly easy to fully automate a rendering sequence that records every frame with the proper lighting setup from all the angles and using each of the movement frames.

>>4119956
>How many frames do animation spritesheets typically have?
As few as you can use while still looking good. If you can convey an action clearly in four frames, then use four. If you need more then use more.

>>4119937
yeah, I don't have a girlfriend either

>>4119981
How did you know ;_;

>>4119859
I greatly appreciate Sandy's map design in Doom 2. They're often not amazing in the visuals department, but the gameplay was always varied and interesting.

>>4119937
Welcome home.

Doom also has two decades of fan content and there's a fair bit of it which is really good, some better than the base game even.
Sets like Nihility, Double Impact, Pirate Doom, Urban Brawl, Jenesis, UAC Ultra, Interception, TNT Revilution, Back To Saturn X, Scythe, and Bloodstain, to name some of my personal favorites.

https://www.doomworld.com/10years/bestwads/
And here's a more thorough list.
People have also made lots of mods for just the gameplay itself, if that interests you.

Also check out Duke Nukem 3D, but don't pay money for it.

>>4119981
Who needs a GF when you have a waifu?

>>4120018
Not sure what I am gonna do about playing DN3D. I'm not giving Gearbox a fucking red cent, I know that much. My assumption is that Megaton is the best version, but I have no idea if that is true or not.

>>4120018
what is this map?

working on a gib death for the bonelord, do you guys think I need more?

>>4119896
Are all the textures custom greyed?

I think it might look better if you used the green palette for Game Boy fun.

>>4120027
>Not sure what I am gonna do about playing DN3D

You can download world tour here:
https://rarbg.to/torrent/rlbwpxg
If you are like me and think everything on the internet has malware, you can check the CRC of the official release on this DB to see if it's the same than what you download:
https://www.srrdb.com/release/details/Duke.Nukem.3D.20th.Anniversary.World.Tour-PLAZA

Else you can download the GoG version. GoG executables have a digital signature so it's easy to check they haven't been modified.
Can't find an individual download now but it should be in this compilation, just torrent the files you want:
http://www82.zippyshare.com/v/lXTq1WgN/file.html

>>4119964
I was talking more in the lines of... for example if I want to replace the pinky demon with a monster of my own. Are all of the frames within a sprite sheet uniform-sized?

>>4120064
You mean do the sprites have the same dimensions for every frame? Then no, they don't. You'll need to set the offsets for the new sprite images in something like SLADE to get them to look right in the engine anyways.

>>4120062
Awww yeah, dat Duke. Thanks a bunch, I'll DL that shniz and kill some pigs later.

>>4120037
Have it with sound

https://my.mixtape.moe/xgtuxc.webm

This is fun

>>4120073
No I guess they wouldn't. id being all about dat optimization and all. Carmack wouldn't be caught dead associating with an engine that leaves full horizontal or vertical lines of transparency pixels when it could just compensate for offset between frames.

Did id people play any games at all besides their own? It's highly unlikely. They didn't even seem to know what a level is because it would give you a new level's name on the screen while still being the same fucking level! People today have even been brainwashed (via inveterate pseudo-criticism and relentless googling) to think Doom was a masterpiece of level design and Romero a master level designer. Well, if going nuts and autistically copy-pasting identikit corridors all over the place in a level editor all day long counts as "level design", maybe. But it doesn't. Level design is what The Super Shinobi has, which starts off at the ninja village, and then moves on to the waterfall outside the village, and the city, and the nightclub, and the military base, and the transport plane, and so on all the way to the Neo Zeed labyrinth complex at the end — NEARLY A DECADE BEFORE DOOM'S RELEASE. That's level design: distinct levels, but connected by narrative logic. And the corridors and staircases and ledges in the levels come AFTER you have decided on the type of environment you are designing, which decision of course is dependent on the narrative, which presupposes that you have one. This stuff matters ridiculously more than where a particular ledge is placed in any given level. And I couldn't give less of a fuck how well your stupid ledges are placed if the environment you have designed is so drab, monotonous and boring that I get depressed by the mere thought of spending any time there. You might say that dungeon crawlers are the same — which isn't true, because they typically feature a lot more variety than early FPSes ever did — plus the plot crumbs and occasional dialogues and puzzles to spice things up — but in any case by 1994 dungeon crawlers were effectively dead precisely for this reason: because they fucking sucked and games with actual environments (namely WRPGs and JRPGs) were a million times superior.

>>4120114
You are mistaking progression with design.

>>4120114
is this a copypaste of that thing?
eitherway: get out

>>4120130
yep some fag advertising his badrticles or someone desperate for (you)s using obvious bait

already got posted but I think he deleted the post before spamming it again since I can't see it

>>4120027
Megaton Edition was really good as a console port, as it has the complete original game and all of it's official expansions, unaltered and uncut, as well as good controls and music (all of it for just $10 too), but it's no longer available on consoles, and if you're playing on PC, I would suggest EDuke32, then maybe grab the expansions (and maybe the music) from a pirated download of Megaton.
You could also pirate Megaton if you don't want to bother with EDuke32, it's an overall pretty functional port after it was patched, but EDuke32 is generally just better.

Don't get World Tour, the sound is all fucked up and weird, they also had J.S.J rerecord all his lines, and he sounds really unenthusiastic and very slightly depressed. Also World Tour doesn't have the expansions, meaning you don't get to play the very excellent Duke Caribbean

>>4120152
iirc if you disable vertical sync with Megaton Edition you get the most hideous example of screen tearing in history. The top half of your screen seems to be half a second behind the bottom.

>>4120167
Yeah, hence why I think it's good as a console port.

>>4120152
>Don't get World Tour, the sound is all fucked up and weird

They fixed that. As well as other main glitches and complains from the first release. They also added true widescreen, which Megaton doesn't have (its 16/9 is a zoom in), and in WT you can play with the orgiinal 8 bit renderer unlike in Megaton

>they also had J.S.J rerecord all his lines
Which are optional, you can put the original ones in the menu. Only lines which you can't do that are the new ones from the new episode only World Tour has, obviously.

also

>>4120152
>all of it's official expansions, unaltered and uncut

That's not exactly true. They had someone do "multiplayer map fixes" for the add-ons, which weren't very multiplayer friendly, except some of those "fixes" were ridiculous and altered gameplay in some stages, like for instance being able to backtrack where you shouldn't be able to.
Although the original levels are still in there, in the GRP files, so you just have to delete the loose map files for the game to play the original add on maps.

Megaton was good for what it was, but it was very glitchy (reason why all the speedrunners use that version), and looks quite ugly with his forced true 3D renderer that fucks up shading (although they improved it, it's still not quite there).

Best thing about Megaton is that it made playing the add-ons more easily. Before that it was kind of a mess and you had to go through a dos installer, even to set it up in eduke32, which is no longer the case.
But from what I understand, but I could be wrong, without paying or asking anything to the people who own them.

also

>>4120152
>all of it's official expansions, unaltered and uncut

That's not exactly true. They had someone do "multiplayer map fixes" for the add-ons, which weren't very multiplayer friendly, except some of those "fixes" were ridiculous and altered gameplay in some stages, like for instance being able to backtrack where you shouldn't be able to.
Although the original levels are still in there, in the GRP files, so you just have to delete the loose map files for the game to play the original add on maps.

Megaton was good for what it was, but it was very glitchy (reason why all the speedrunners use that version), and looks quite ugly with his forced true 3D renderer that fucks up shading (although they improved it, it's still not quite there).

Best thing about Megaton is that it made playing the add-ons more easily. Before that it was kind of a mess and you had to go through a dos installer, even to set it up in eduke32, which is no longer the case.
But from what I understand, but I could be wrong, they included the add-ons without paying or asking anything to the people who own them.
I think one of the main reason why they weren't included in WT is because getting the rights is a mess, and Gearbox actually didn't want to violate anything.

>>4120203
>and Gearbox actually didn't want to violate anything.
Tell that to Sega.

>>4120041
>Are all the textures custom greyed?
Nah, it's a custom PLAYPAL and COLORMAP.
>I think it might look better if you used the green palette
I've tried multiple different palettes and I really feel like the constant green/olive filter over the screen messes with your eyes after a while.

A, B, or C (B with A's head)?
I wasn't liking the original sprite (A) because its pose was too human-like and thin due to the intentional 16x32 size restraint (It also felt more spooky than cute, very important), so I tried shrinking the imp down a bit.
I'm probably going with B but just wanted to see people's thoughts

>>4120225
Textures can't really be detailed with such restrictions.

That said, how do PLAYPAL and COLORMAP with only four colors?

>>4120259
n-naked imps? lewd!!

wait... they were always naked?!? oh gosh I won't be able to play doom again

>>4120225
can't imagine a single reason why anyone would use those textures

>>4120262
>Textures can't really be detailed with such restrictions.
Aha, that's the trick though, if you've played the original gb_pal.wad you'll see the COLORMAP gives depth by shading the original texture's colours, so there's more detail than if you just flattened out the textures into 4 colours.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mQuCPXAVjI
As for my PLAYPAL, I had to really screw around with the colour levels of the Doom palette then attempt to convert it into a 4 colour palette. it's not perfect.

>>4120279
They're actually quite good for that Lizard Squad mod, also someone used them with Space Hunter I guess. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVPbYiPvD04

>>4119426
>beyond belief
ok got it, I just hope its a continuous episode, I cant stand arcane's reset after every map

>>4119426

>>4120315
just google "quake beyond belief" and click on the first link

it took me like half a second

>>4120323
yeah but apparently quakeone.com is offline, and im looking also for the reforged version too

>>4120327
so open the cache version from google

it's a link to quaddicted anyways with a bunch of cosmetic stuff

BEYOND BELIEF:
First thing to do is to download the episode in this link, then create a folder called bbelief
https://www.quaddicted.com/filebase/bbelief.zip

MAP6 FIX FOR MODERN ENGINES:
There is a glitch in the sixth map that prevents the player from escaping a spike trap in modern engine ports. Download the fix here
http://www.quaddicted.com/filebase/bbelief6_fix.zip

BATCH FILE:
Batch file to launch Beyond Belief, put this in your main quake1 folder
https://www.dropbox.com/s/u2oh239x0z...elief.BAT?dl=0

RTLIGHTS:
To have nice coloured real time lights. Enough said.....
https://www.dropbox.com/s/t94bv317zj...201.4.pk3?dl=0

HD TEXTURES:
Beyond Belief uses very few custom textures, but to have a better HD experience, I've compiled this small texture pack:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/goe7ye4oqe...k-1.1.pk3?dl=0

HD LAVA:
To enable HD lava in some maps who uses a different texture name, I've changed texture name in Seven's DP New Lava v.0.3:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wnq6a9elke...elief.pk3?dl=0

NAILGUN FIX
Seven made a Nailgun fix for map bbelief1 (unfortunately the one made by Jakub1 expired) here's the link http://quakeone.com/attachments/foru...ut-map-fix.zip

EXTENSIONS
Seven made beautiful extensions for Beyond Belief that adds bugfixes, particles flames and more, you can check this thread for detailed info and screenshots http://quakeone.com/forums/quake-mod...ensions-2.html

download link here: http://www52.zippyshare.com/v/lyr5uh8Y/file.html

Why does DTWID represent the downfall of Doom mapping?

>>4120357
why do you sound like an emo /sthg/ poster?

>>4120357
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wycjnCCgUes

>>4120357
Because it isn't.

>>4120357
What did he mean by this?

>>4120383
"I'm lonely and I need e-attention please give me some (you)s"

>>4120357
>doesn't have SSGs
why even download

>>4119937
welcome back.
they're fun games.

>>4120259

I say B.

>>4120357
what did he mean by this

>>4120357
doom_txt was a mistake.

>>4117397
>Spaceman333's early release of his slow motion addon, adds actual slow-mo

Agh, that was just a 24 hour temporary link. Apologies to whoever missed that. Final version is still in testing, but a release is very close.

Added a new feature that switches on big fonts if you're using hires monitors:

>>4120225
Huh, this palette's quite alright actually, I'll stick with it for a while. Doesn't feel like I'm playing with a piss filter, anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orA9XTt8b_Y
Why don't people talk about LilWhiteMouse's mods that much? Also their ZDoom forum account seems to not exist any more.

>>4120530
same reason as doomero's mods.

they look fantastic, and then you actually play them and wow this is actually pretty clunky.

>>4120357
What?

>>4119854
>Refueling Base
>Good

>>4120579
Yeah. Refueling Base is great.

>>4120579
You heard me, bitch.

>>4120579
you shut your whore mouth, the only bad d2 maps are monster condo, map04 & tricks & traps

reading about the shit romero wanted to put in quake makes me glad he went the way of the dinosaurs

>>4118725
What wad is this?

>>4120593
I think the worst map is Factory because it always feels like all the fun saps away from the game once I reach that level.

Monster Condo isn't perfect, but I think it's got few little neat things going for it.

>>4120602
AV

I will never understand why people bother reading map names, I just tap space to get through to the next one

>>4120608
They become part of a map's personality pretty often.

>>4120608
so we know which one to tell others to avoid

>>4120619
I just play through all the maps in a wad even if some are shit, skipping over some completely seems odd

>>4120608
i definitely don't pay much attention to map names, if you talk about some megawad i've played a lot and a map number i'll know immediately what you're talking about, but if you give the map name i will be clueless.

>>4120608

Because I'm more likely to remember Misri Halek over AV map21. Or 20. I can't remember and don't especially care.

>>4120628
i'm the opposite, i think its because as i prefer to -warp to maps and pistol start them, i remember them by number.

>>4120608
I mostly remember wads by map number, but Doom and Doom 2 have been around long enough for me to learn most of their names.

I wish GZDoom had an option to disable the color filters from picking stuff like rad suits, invulnerability and shit and replaced them with a small icon on a corner for the duration

just tried meta doom and got quad damage at the start of a level, massive dark purple filter all over the screen, makes me want to quit

>>4120667
What, you don't like your Berserk + Radsuit vomit vision?

just played through Absolutely Killed

8/10 pretty good. Gimmicks done well.

>>4120686
>go underwater
i am now legally blind!

I'm updating my "things to play before I die" list

Any Doom 3 mods worth the time if I didn't like neither the game or the expansion? I've heard about Doom 3 mods here and there but never bothered checking them.

While we are at it, what about Quake 4 mods?

>>4120725
I remember one D3 mod about Quake and the shambler or whatever.

>>4120725
quake2/4 and doom 3/4 aren't worth playing

>>4120734
Q2 and D4 are good, Q4 and D3 aren't worth playing

>>4120732
googling "doom 3 mod shambler whatever" brings this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmAvyk8S_V4

looks awesome to be honest but guess I'd rather just play Quake and not bother installing Doom 3.

>>4120747
I guess you're right.
If anything, it's probably just HD Quake.

>>4120747
That's a pretty great mod, but it's very short(one level only). It breaks my heart to think that this is the closest we'll EVER get to another Quake game that takes place in the Quake 1 universe.

>>4120608
>i don't understand why some people prefer naming things instead of just memorizing strings of numbers

>>4120761
I don't pay attention to the string of numbers either

>>4120608
Sometimes they have funny or interesting names. The ones in Ancient Aliens, for instance.

It's not like reading a few words is something that should bother you, anyway, is it?

>>4120747
Those weapons sound awful, holy shit.

How come MetaDoom wasn't in the Cacowards last year?

>>4120843
I love Metadoom and all but it hardly held a candle to the sheer behemoth of D4D.

>>4120843
it was in fairly early stages

>>4120851
>>4120856
So, maybe this year, along with D4T, Space Hunter and High Noon Drifter?

>>4120843
Cacowards? More like Cuckowards

>>4120857
I sincerely doubt D4T will get an award, since it's basically a spinoff of D4D.

>>4120857
These are all neat but the Cacoward goes to Final Doomer

Do these goggles look alright or do they look like shit?

>>4120857

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=57053
I think with a little more polishing, Kriegsland could easily be a contender.

>>4120906
Looks neat

I wish there was a decent way to play Corridor 7 and Operation Bodycount, they might be poopy clones but I'm still interested in exploring them.

>never fucked around with palette and colormap before

Intredasting.

Gimme a map setpiece/gimmick to try to make work in vanilla Quake, I need something to do.

>>4121002
An actual wizard's tower.

>>4121002
Dark and grungy castle, lots of dirt floors, a flooded cellar (about knee/waist high water), the only enemies are zombies, the gimmick is that you get very few explosive munitions, the only way to efficiently deal with the numerous zombies is to hit them with various crushers and traps you have to trick them into.

>>4121009
sounds like total garbage, why would you even bother playing this

>>4121013
Because I like horrible places with challenging enemy placement.

Think of it as a obtuse take on Plutonia's Hunted.

depraving the player of ammo is the worst way of making a difficult map

>>4120879

>>4121024
Generally I'd say yes, but I think you could absolutely make a challenge out of making the player use his environment to make up for limited ammunition.

The trick is making it not suck.

>>4121024
your map is also pretty shitty if the player finishes it with 100 health 150 armor and full rockets and cells

>>4121039
That really depends on how you play the game.
I tend to do a pretty consistently good job saving powerups and bonuses for when I need them in Doom, to the point that I usually have boosted health by the end of a level.

>>4121026
Looks alright

>>4121002
You need to decide which powerup or weapon you'll need in next encounter. If you pick up one, the other gets teleported away. You can find few you didn't pick way later in the map as a secret.
I know Sunlust already did that once, but I want to see how it works on slightly bigger scale.

>>4121005
But I already made vr_qump.

virginity joke

>>4121002
recreation of craggy island parochial house

>>4121039
so every map in every megawad that has just a slight modicum of hard difficulty is shit?

just deleted btsx.

>>4121039
I don't think maps should be needlessly hard to be good. maps where you normally stroll about without the least care are just flatout boring, not irredeemably faulty and terrible as you make but out to be.

>>4121002
Whatever yu do, you gotta add a zero gravity section to your map

>>4119905
i think you need it for the bfg and a bunch of secrets/shortcuts. you can telefrag an archvile early, get a backpack, some other stuff.

>>4121174
IIRC low gravity in parts of the map is one of the things that's downright impossible in vanilla id1 and was such a big thing when the expansion packs added it. Hell, the only reason E1M8 in the base game has low gravity (the whole map, not one part) is because the game is hardcoded that any map named "e1m8" has sv_gravity lowered at load time.

>>4121186
Huh. You learn something new every day.

After playing MetaDoom with the PS1 port, i now kinda wish the port had archvilles, because as annoying they can be (specially with the mods version of the summoner), you'd at least should be able to stun them with a syphon grenade and blast them with a BFG shot.
I dunno.

>>4121186
>scourge of armagon does it for the hard skill selection room
good shit

How can I hide this message in ZDoom forums?

Yeah I get it I've seen it a millionthousand times, but it takes a lot of space.

Is there a source port that adds FM synth music? I really want some dank farts in my DOOM mods so I can get that authentic 32X feel.

>>4120843
>>4120851
>>4120857
>>4120861
>>4120862
>>4120906
Who cares, it's just gameplay mods. I'm sure they just pick the one with more replies on its thread to make kids feel happy and move on.

>>4121293
i care

>>4121293
>>4121309
me too

>>4121293
Well come up with non-gameplay contenders then. Why bitch at people having a discussion? Contribute something maybe.

>>4121024
I dunno, I love maps that force you to make good use of a Berserk Pack. As long as it doesn't abuse the amount of hitscan, that is.

>>4117396
JUST MADE THIS REACTION IMAGE

>>4121596
GOOD ANON

>>4121293
>Who cares, it's just gameplay mods.
Poor you.

>space marines in futuristic white armor take all the big guns
>leaving the doomguy to fend for himself with a by then obsolete combat suit and a wimpy machinegun
really triggerinos my almendrinos

>>4121632
>get a full suit of futuristic powered armor and a machine gun
>still complain

>>4121632
I like to think this was the original gameplay premise they conceived for the game, prior to the "ancient warrior from hell" deal which is just merely okay at least to me.

I would have loved a flatout reboot of the story proper, but seeing as wolf tno more or less pulls the same continuity thing with rtcw and wolf09 it doesn't seem as stupid by comparison.

>>4121632
>the suit lets him absorb energy from hell and demons, further charging his ceasless rampage
>machine gun shoots fucking missiles
He doesn't even need a gun.

>running around in toxic goop
>accidentally bump into a suit before mine runs out

reeee

>>4121638
is that al pacino

>>4121648
I wouldnt have considered it weird if his armor didn't look the way it did to be completely fair

I mean, for 'demonic armor granted by ancient warriors' it sure looks more like your average space marine suit
pretty much all they did was replace the F-90 decal on the helmet and jarringly slap the slayer symbol on the side of it and on the armor plate

I would have made him get his old gardening gloves back, probably make up some shit about them like they're made of demon skin and they make the user super fucking OP or something

>>4121596
JUST SAVED THIS REACTION IMAGE

Is there something like A_RadiusGive with the limit parameter set, only it gives the item to the closest or furthest away recipients (instead of randomly)?

>>4120843
>>4121293
I've always seen Cacowards as more about the maps. For maps to qualify, they simply have to either have their first major public release or their final release that year. Its not really that simple for gameplay mods, as they don't often "finish", and sometimes don't even get popular until a year after its initial release. I can also bet that the cacoward committee don't regularly play gameplay mods.

>>4121724
it's interesting.
the amount of finished, complete, or even just basic v1.0-status gameplay mods out there are an extreme minority.

>>4121724
>I can also bet that the cacoward committee don't regularly play gameplay mods.
This is not even something they try to hide. Terminus joined the cacoward committee specifically to write the gameplay mod award.

>>4121764
and xaser beforehand

doomworld just doesn't care about gameplay mods, simply put.

>>4119350
My only legit gripe with that is
>no love for green blood
other than that, it's bretty bud.

Why do certain HUDs like samsara's appear extremely small on gzdoom 3 but look fine on gzdoom 2.4 ?

>>4121838
GZDoom 3 included a HUD scaling option.

>>4121845
thx

>>4119378
make sense if you were barefoot (especially with Stafe's poison floor)

>>4121724
The thing is that >90% of gameplay mods are pure garbage.

Eventually the gameplay mod scene will mature and more refined stuff will start to come out, but right now we are at what 95-98 was for mapping; there are a few jewels but in most cases people don't know what they are doing.

It's also weird how the average person interested in gameplay mods seems to be half the age, or less, than the average person interested in mapping, at least behavior-wise. Guess we have to thank Brutal Doom for keeping the Doom community young and fresh.

>>4121883
>Eventually the gameplay mod scene will mature
How long have gameplay mods been a thing?

>>4121889
Since the dawn of Doom modding.

>>4121893
So about the mid 90s then. And the gameplay mod scene has yet to mature?

>>4121889
>>4121894
modern gameplay mods? 2011-2012

>>4121896
Fair enough, that DOES make sense seeing as it was around that time ol marky boy started doing his thing.
God I hope we get more competent gameplay modders as time goes on

>>4121883
>The thing is that >90% of gameplay mods are pure garbage.
and so are maps

this is a complete moot point

>>4121894

The gameplay mod scene picked up as soon as Decorate started being a thing and is continuing to develop now.
The idea that gameplay mods are somehow "not mature yet" is laughable at best.

What is the most mature gameplay mod?

>>4121926
hdoom, for mature audiences only

>>4121926
TaxDoom

Each map has you looking for the randomly hidden documents that you require to do your taxes on your PC. There is a time limit. If you fail you are visited by the IRS. There are no guns. There are no enemies.

>>4121936
Isn't that just Slender but with a genuinely scary monster?

>>4121940
Fuck... you are right.

Wait, no, okay...

The whole tax thing is just the goal of one level. The others just revolve around going to work and make enough living to pay rent and/or mortages. You get bonuses by reading scientific or high literature and criticism.

Although it's basically just Postal without the edge.

>>4121943
Jones In The Doomed Lane sounds fun.

>>4121936

Sounds like it'd be great for a reboot of Forbes: Corporate Warrior.

>>4119981

don't ever give up

I was virgin until March and now I'm waiting for a kid

(I'm 31)

>>4122002
nigga you fucked up

>>4122005

I want to have a kid

also, I'm not American

how in a flying fuck do I add friendly fire to a gzdoom coop?

>>4117686
Please tell me there's a wad that actually does this.

>>4121919
no because at least 50% of maps are vanilla from 1994-1996, which are mostly all great. the only maps that are pure garbage are for zdoom/skulltag with cutscenes and annoying scripting.

>>4122123
yeah theres so many of those

>>4119981

https://my.mixtape.moe/uqjvde.webm

Alright, that's the grapple chain retooled. Now it's time to start work the Blazter. Pray for me guys. This is gonna be hard.

>>4122127
>Missing a hand

Is that Term

>>4122123
>because at least 50% of maps are vanilla from 1994-1996, which are mostly all great
No they fucking aren't, that era of mapping was the genuine definition of quantity over quality.

I would sooner plow through a half-baked ZDoom map with shitty cutscenes and scripts than the low effort garbage that permeates the 95 era vanilla maps.

>>4122123
>1994-1996
>which are mostly all great
IM-FUCKING-PLYING

>endless myhouse.wads and myoffice.wads
>"oh here's a big square room and I put some cyberdemons in it, I forgot to put in an exit though"
>"oops I forgot to put in the keys and stuff, just use IDKFA"
>long STARTAN/SLADWALL corridors at even lighting with hundreds of rooms lining them, unpegged door tracks and a lone zombieman or imp in each featureless room
>missing textures, windows showing not the skybox, but the sky texture pasted on a wall
>D_RUNNIN
>occasional replacement sounds ripped from recordings of a TV playing a VHS tape

1994/1996 era maps were the Dark Ages of Doom Maps, *very* little of the mapping that happened there had any thought, effort or work put into them, things like Memento Mori were rare outliers worked on with people who had actual visions and talent, and you're a fucking deluded fool if you think that was the standard across the board.

>>4122148
>Great Cave Offensive
I didn't know that was one of the GMOTA tunes, huh.

>>4122204
It isn't, I was just listening to it while testing this shit.
I need to add like another 20+ tracks for Blaz though, and I'm considering adding it.

>>4121919
Not even close even if you count the "my first mep pls gib feedback :D" posts

>tfw there's only one Doom mod you play so you have nothing to add to these threads

I might need to redesign the HUD element for the Blazter a little, rigging up a mockup shows a few issues with it.

>>4122272
which one would that be, friend?

>>4122280

Reelism.

>>4121883
Your post makes it as if good mods don't exist, even thought we have something like Icarus reviewing Doom mods or Marveller's videos.
It's just that outside of Brutal Doom, Doom's modding scene is niche to the point some of the best modders end up going to a place like /vr/, which means there's a different between getting into Doom mods and getting into BD, which keeps getting pushed by game journos and e-celebs.

It's possible that Doom mods being centered around one mod like BD is why people care more about Skyrim or GTA mods, while also pulling arguements like "mods break games", since BD isn't that well designed for a game praised as a good example of game design.

Maybe i'm wrong about this.

>>4122278
The HUD seems to get lost amongst his arm, yeah.

>>4122324
and that's a real problem, if I move the arm to the left it'll look weird, if I move it to the right it'll look weird and potentially get cut off by the screen.

>>4121719
All I want to do is give the monster that's furthest away from the player an item.

>>4121632
> still using a break action double barrel shotgun
> not using a DP-12 gunsmithed to fire both barrels at the same time
> or a custom engineered side by side Saiga-12 for both barrels SEMI AUTOMATIC

and somehow not completing the trope with blessed shotgun ammunition from a priest that has a cross engraved on every buckshot pellet

>>4122185
sorry but your descriptions strongly suggest you've played very few mid-nineties maps. maybe even none, just watched a few "worst of" videos on youtube or wherever. i don't expect to talk you out of your prejudice though as it seems quite deep-rooted, so let's just drop it.

>>4121648
It may just be a phase. Like eventually we might get a real reboot which is deadly as fuck to play on par with practically being counterstrike (then less enemies can be justified ala quake, since they'll literally rip your face off and/or a new ass).

>>4121660
I always liked to think that there was something special about flynn taggart (doomguy) that made him be able to resist all these demonic influences. After all - the zombies are his former buddies and rivals, why doesnt he get actively possessed by a lost soul kicking him out of his body.

Some benefit to this story seems to suggest that the Berserk pack lets him use the full 100% capacity of his muscles, combined with whatever else is empowering him (to run so damn fast and for so long) - thats when he gets stronger than a baron.

>>4119378
> the pure power of evil is so thick in this area it is damaging to the human body

> a trope played even in vanilla doom in some situations where standing in front of an evil face etched in marble might damage you

>>4122346
More like you're the one who's played very few mid-nineties maps, you clearly only cherry picked the best ones so you think everyone else is just talking shit because you never experienced what they did.

>>4119981
>>4120018

In my experience girlfriends are a pretty temporary thing, even if you're going steady... longest I could have a girl around was like 2-6 months before she went totally apeshit (something on her end each time).

So don't get too attached. I hate to break it to you but santa isn't real.

I think the only people who end up finding waifus are the ones who find women who actually have a good head on their shoulders who know how to make decisions. And maybe also the super clingy types that will ring-you if you let them.

> I wish I could find a super clingy girlfriend, because id cling on her just as hard.

>>4122185
yeah '94-96 was to doom maps like the 80s gaming crash was to consoles

thousands of wads coming out, on BBS services and even shareware combo discs that were absolute trash, but people liked getting them anyway just to have an alternative to the vanilla maps (though we still loved the vanilla maps back then)

>>4122346
No, you are literally wrong, thousands and thousands of .wads were made from 94 to 96, and few of these were good, the ratio was absurd back then, compared to the couple hundred .wads a year on average in this day and age.

Go pick a random .wad from this era, then tell me the level design was exciting, that the combat and exploration was fun, that the levels looked good, that the author had a good idea or a good grip on the software (some which was limited either by the computer you had, or was artificially limited to get you to buy a complete version) or level design theory, on top of the lack of agreed standards by the community.
Doom was new, level editing was new, lots of people were trying their hand at it, and most people did not do a good job at it most of the time, many did not make full or finished maps ever, and many were sloppy in their execution, there's a reason that maps from this era are running jokes.

I've plowed through plenty of this old shit, and 9 times out of 10 I would never recommend them. Some of the most remembered and famed ventures were things like the impressive Aliens TC, or conceptual levels like Trinity.wad, because they stood out either by actually being good, or by being interesting.

>>4122365
Sounds like you're trying to project some of your own issues there, or that you're attracted to a vey particular kind of woman which doesn't work out for you. Plenty of people have no such problems and have functional relationships.

Also that last part brings to mind shit like D!Zone, which was just a bunch of random .wads scraped off the web and published commercially, widely renowned as reheated garbage for the time for the absolute lack of quality control, so it wasn't like people loved all that shit back in the day, it was thought of as shit then too.

>>4122346
http://doom.wikia.com/wiki/1994_level
>A 1994 level is a level designed in the style of levels being made and distributed in 1994, the year after Doom was released. As Doom level editing was in its infancy at the time, with tools being primitive and mappers lacking experience, such levels were typically of a substandard nature. 1994 levels may include simplistic architecture, misaligned textures and inappropriate monster usage (eg. multiple Cyberdemons in every level).

>Because skill at level editing often comes from experience, many authors go through a "1994 level" stage in their development. Levels designed by inexperienced authors may be referred to as "1994" WADs, even though they are created many years later.