/vr/ - Retro Games

Through emulation. Very few VGA monitors will sync 15khz with Csync like the RGB signals most consoles put out.

>>4097062
>Apple
destroy it.

>>4097062
Converters

When it comes to retro consoles, I'm firmly in the CRT Only camp, but for some reason with PC monitors I feel flatscreens were a necessary progression, and good riddance to those massive deskspace eaters.

>>4097092
The Apple monitors will be working long after a lot of others crap out. Their OS is shit, yes, but build quality is top notch.

>>4097106
It's a matter of ethics, actually.

>>4097070
What about the Commodore/Amiga monitors, though? I heard those are good for consoles and may feature SCART inputs.

Did you get rid of them yet?

>>4097112
Yep, 80s computers that were made to also display on TVs output 15khz signals. Back then it was so people could save money by not needing to buy special monitors, but the special monitors that people with plenty of money back then bought are very well suited to retro consoles that were also made to work on sdtvs, which was basically everything until hdtvs and edtvsstarted coming out at the turn of the century

>>4097062
Back in the day I used a XRGB2 to play my consoles since I only had CRT monitors. It line doubles to 31kHz, unlike the framemeister which processes the image. These days you can use the OSSC which does the same thing.

>>4097106
>Their OS is shit
I'll take a UNIX-like over a DOS-Shell-Like any day. Also who shits on Mac software but likes the hardware? That's the opposite of what typical Mac haters do.

>>4097092
>>4097106
Up to the mid 90's, those where all Trinitron tubes.

>>4097128
Mac OS had nothing to do with UNIX, but it was a pretty based system.

>>4097112
Those literary are TVs inside, so yes.

>>4097128
I hate both. Apple should have never existed. No one would notice if that were the case.

>>4097142
You're pretty darn wrong anon.
Apple played a huge role in making computers mainstream and forcing technologies into the industry.

Just because they are shit now, doesn't mean they where shit always.

>>4097140
They can tune into RF televised broadcasts?

>>4097062
PC monitor or Apple monitor? I'm confused.
If Apple you also need an adapter to VGA.

>>4097118
Was one of those PCs running 98se and the other running XP? That's a sweet battlestation for 2006 but these days it wouldn't make much sense to buy a $200 line doubler to use on a VGA CRT.

>>4097146
Those who support RF inputs are locked onto a channel, sometimes you can choose between a few pre defined channels. But you can't tune them.
Those things where made as cheap as possible usually, leftover stock TV hardware, etc.

They are still good monitors though, plenty of inputs, like Chroma/Luma and calibration.

>>4097149
>but these days it wouldn't make much sense to buy a $200 line doubler to use on a VGA CRT.
Why not? It was as good of quality as it is now.

Don't forget, most of us actually did such shit back then, not now because it's a _meme_

>>4097142
Their 6502 and 68k based machines where pretty important and their software also defined many aspects.
There would be a huge dent in competitive market and progress without Apple. They where just as important as IBM, Atari or Commodore at the time.

>>4097138
Yeah, I was referring to OS X with that particular statement but I should have been more clear. I am a big fan of the Classic Mac OS, which was pretty unique as far as OSs go.
>>4097142
kek, except you wouldn't have any of the other OSs or much of the hardware you would rather use to-day. You can't deny Apple's impact on what we use in our day-to-day lives in >current year. I don't care if you don't like them, but ignoring their influence is willful ignorance.

>>4097158
Classic Mac OS is pretty similar to AmigaOS in how they function. Even though lacking in things we take for granted today, still probably two of the best operating systems at their time, only surpassed by UNIX.

>>4097163
Agreed completely, hombre.

>>4097149
They were Windows 2000 and the other was XP, never used 98SE until I got my current 486DX4. I only had CRTs, and I still only have CRTs because I don't have the funds to get modern monitors. I am still using that same desk but the monitor changed to a Sony GDM FW-900 which is widescreen and supports 1920x1200 (I adjust the geometry for 16:9 outputs, since the 360 has a VGA cable). Sadly that same desk is not rated to support the weight of two of those monitors, so the other is just sitting in my closet as a backup in case the first dies. The line doublers are invaluable to me, because I cannot afford a nice low latency 4k monitor (I hear either IPS or OLED is the way to go).

>>4097152
Because now you can buy a pro 15khz CRT for less than the price of the line doubler so they only make sense to buy for use on large displays

>>4097175
Yeah, but you already have them so it still makes sense if you still have the doubler/scaler left over from back in the day. If you just cut a board/block of wood to sit on its end and fit snugly between the monitor shelf and the desktop it should be stable enough for both monitors.

>>4097175
>>4097201
lol nvm I see now that your second pic was illustrating how you did exactly that already. Still dangerously wobbly with both crts on there?

>>4097201
>Because now you can buy a pro 15khz CRT for less than the price of the line doubler so they only make sense to buy for use on large displays
You think that a PVM or BVM is better quality wise for RGB then a VGA monitor? No way.

>>4097206
Both easily have the quality to display the signal with no loss. I prefer aperture grille to tri-dot, even with a very fine pitch but that's subjective. Objectively, the cost is still much lower.

Threadly reminder that GBS 8200 units are extremely cheap, versatile and of more than adequate quality for /vr/ purposes.

Scanlines can be added with a commercial SLG or simple homemade circuit. See mmmonkey for details of how to build one for next to nothing.

>>4097231
>emulating scanlines
That's the biggest autism I know of

>>4097106
>Apple monitors
>Their OS is shit
Any monitor that had an OS back then would have been amazing. You might be confusing things kiddo.

>>4097252
>emulating

How is scanline on 15khz crt form?

>>4097260
scanlines are a aperture grille thing

>>4097258
>Implying I was implying the OS was on the monitor
I think it is your reading comprehension that is confused

>>4097128
Classic Mac is great, OSX, especially Yosemite and later is garbage

>>4097108
Ah, personal boycott. Power to you dude.

>>4097258
>kiddo
Fuck right off good sir.

I can confirm that the Apple monitors produced after Jobs got back in the saddle are pretty shit...unless you have a Mac.

Sure, they're just recased (possibly cherry picked) Trinitrons and Diamondtrons but unfortunately you can't access ANY of the picture controls without Mac OS. On or Off, that's your lot. To add insult to injury many also offload signal input AND power supply to the frankly retarded ADC connector for which an expensive DVI adaptor box is available but doesn't in any way solve the control issues highlighted above.

t. Anon who made the mistake of buying a 21" Studio CRT, thankfully very very cheap, which is now providing sterling service as a big grey doorstop.

>>4097273
Look past the insult. Dont let it trigger you.

Unless its the ">who are you quoting" guy
That guys should be banned.

>>4097262
No they are not.

>>4097271
>>Implying I was implying the OS was on the monitor
>I think it is your reading comprehension that is confused
I think he tried to be funny.

>>4097276
>he gets triggered on a vietnamese cartoon forum
So you come to /vr/ to hate? Sad.

>>4097281
Oh. The joke went over my head. I needa take 4chan shitposting a bit less setiously.

>>4097282
Who are you quoting?

>>4097286
>he can't intro greentext
You might be confused here.

>>4097276
>Unless its the ">who are you quoting" guy
>That guys should be banned.
You're pretty new? Huh, kid?

>>4097286
you implied people get triggered here, only autists do though, meaning you must be one if you actually think that

>>4097276
>Unless its the ">who are you quoting" guy
>>4097286
>Who are you quoting?

>>4097291
Yes, I just found the site yesterday actually.

>>4097292
Im having a pretty good chuckle m8

>>4097297
it's forgivable
you forgot mandatory 1 year of /a/ and /b/ before you can post in other boards though, good luck friend

Why does every interesting thread here end up this way nowadays? So sick of this childish squabbling.

MODS!

>>4097260
>>4097262
Visible scanlines are a result of 240p, which is a hack of 480i. Instead of making an image that has a vertical resolution of 480 at 30fps by drawing every other line (first odds then evens) with each scan of the electron beam, 240p creates an image that is 240 lines and 60fps by laying both "fields" (sets of lines) on top of one another. On sharp displays, you can clearly see the empty spaces that would have been taken up by the odd lines if they weren't being drawn directly on top of the even ones.

>>4097303
'twas a joke. Been here since I was in 5th grade. Im 22 now. Im just kinda shitposting out of boredom. I should really stop though, this board is gold and I shouldnt contribute to the cancer.

>>4097274
What monitors are we talking about? The latter ones that use ADC aren't Trinitron/Diamondtron tubes. Only up to the mid-late 90's ones are and they are always Trinitrons, not Diamondtrons.
Those do have the DA-15 Apple video connector, not to be confused with ADC though. It's just VGA with additional data lines. Easy to convert to VGA.

They all have proper picture controls, usually only 3 of them are exposed, rest are under the case and require removing the shell to access, but they are there, every calibration control imaginable.

>>4097314
>'twas a joke.
no shit, sherlock

>I should really stop though, this board is gold and I shouldnt contribute to the cancer.
seriously, you are the least of worries for this board, it's gone already too far, you stopping won't help much

>>4097314
A late 90s tablet baby is the shit poster. What a surprise.

>>4097324
>people born in 1995 can post here
Wew, right into the gut

>>4097312
Thanks.

I drew on your autism to type that as I frankly couldn't be bothered explaining technicalities to a bozo who thinks it's solely down to MUH APERATURE GRILL.

>>4097326
>Wew
Nice meme. Idk where it's from but I know you kids like it.

>>4097312
That's a pretty good explanation.
Trinitrons and clones are easier to spot the scan lines though? As far as I have noticed. How come?

>>4097306
People who like to shitpost, like >>4097314
There are probably actual autists too though

>>4097324
Fucking touchscreen kids man. I swear, using touchscreens lowers peoples computer conpetency.

G8 b8 m8, almost got me

>>4097324
>>4097335
Touchscreens aren't a new thing though, I had a tablet PC compatible with a touch screen in the mid 90's and a touchscreen laptop in the late 90's.
But I understand you mean those people who grew up with smart devices as their only computing platforms, 22 is probably too high of an age for that though, 12 year olds are those kind of people.

>>4097316
Pic related uses both a Diamondtron tube and ADC connector. Like I clearly stated, the post-Jobs models.

That said, many earlier ones are just as hamstrung, if not more so. Just look at this shitload of fuck, LOOK AT IT!

>>4097345
Forgot pic related in my Cupertino-fed rage...

>>4097330
Because of their aperture grilles. Shadow masks "pixels" are placed in triangles while aperture grilles' are in lines. When a scanline gets drawn across a shadow mask or even a slot mask some of the colored pixels are more visible than others. This is true even on VGA CRTs, which (other than Sonys) are still shadow mask, just with much much finer (smaller) physical pixels - which most people will consider to be fine enough to be a non-issue at very low resolutions like 240p.

>>4097345
>>4097349
That abomination, yeah sorry, it was the only one of it's kind and only in production for a year.
The older ones are the Trinitron tubes with picture controls.

>>4097271
I do a lot of audio work and every other OS's audio support is complete trash compared to OS X. I agree OS X got worse in general after Yosemite, though. Windows is a joke altogether; and I use Linux on my netbook, but it's still a hobby OS for desktop use. Obviously for servers it's the industry standard for good reason. I love the command line, but you know, I can't really shitpost from Lynx.

>>4097361
The type I posted with >>4097274 are the ones most common to find nowadays. Trinitron tubes (Diamondtron in the 17" model) and the later revisions with ADC shitfuckery. No accessible picture controls whatsoever.

Oh, and the old beige models have extremely odd resolution and sync limitations. Best steered clear of all round unless you happen to be a beardy hipster macfag who needs something for his 16mhz Quadra.

>>4097379
OSX has its specialty uses, I do not disagree. I just dont like it because its always a ton of work to get my games running on it. My personal computer dual boots Windows 7 and FreeBSD. So what kind of audio work do you do? Editing, SFX, composing?

>>4097384
>Oh, and the old beige models have extremely odd resolution and sync limitations. Best steered clear of all round unless you happen to be a beardy hipster macfag who needs something for his 16mhz Quadra.
But they do have picture controls.
Also the limitations are software side, if you don't even use it on a Macintosh, they can use a variety of resolutions and frequencies.
Still it's retarded to use for anything else then a real Macintosh as better alternatives exist.

There are no 16MHz Quadras by the way.

>>4097394
For games just stick to Windows. No shame in that.
Use the tool best for the job.

>>4097394
Totally fair, I'm a consolefag so I hardly ever do any gaming on my Mac. I'm a songwriter, so I do all of my writing, producing, editing, recording, and sequencing in Reason on my Mac. Reason runs well on Windows too, but the audio latency is over twice as high (even at lower resolutions) on the same hardware, it's insane. I'm also a Mac lifer, first computer I ever used was a Classic II, so I can fly on the Mac whereas I have Windows 10 in Boot Camp and I basically feel like a grandma because I'm just bad at using it. I'm an IT guy at a university and have to support both, but I'm forever the 'Mac Guy'.

>>4097354
Aren't Mitsubishi Diamondtron monitors made with aperture grille technology? The patent for aperture grille expired somewhere around 2000, so Sony wasn't the only making them past that date.

>>4097395
>There are no 16MHz Quadras by the way.
I like you anon

>>4097415
1996 iirc

>>4097415
1997 or >>4097423
after that they made Diamondtrons
before that you only could license Trinitrons for aperture grille tubes from Sony

>>4097395
Jesus fuck, IIcx then...

Sorry, my earliest experience with Macs was doing retouching on a PPC 801 back in '97. Macs didn't really get much of a consumer foothold over here in blighty until the fruity G3s arrived.

>>4097415
Yes, but most VGA CRTs are still a very fine shadow mask. Viewsonic also has "SonicTron"

>>4097062

As it's a PC monitor, it is limited to 640x480 60hz minimum, so around 31khz.
If you emulate through a PC, you can set a custom 120hz 320x240 resolution if you want scanlines. Most 17+" PC CRTs have enough vertical scan khz for 120hz.
¨
If you want a separate console to not be bound to your PC, you can get a Raspberry Pi and a cheap hdmi-vga converter.

>>4097231
Are these also "lag-free" like the OSSC?

>>4097510
>As it's a PC monitor, it is limited to 640x480 60hz minimum
where the fuck do you come up with this shit?

>>4097575
Not quite.

It has around 1 frame (16ms) so insignificant and less than a Mememeister, especially considering the display will add none on top.

>>4097583
It's true in 99.9% of cases

>>4097608
Nope. Don't know a single VGA CRT that is limited to VGA resolution as minimum.

>>4097510
>>4097608
never seen a monitor that can't play the original Doom
source?

>>4097143
>>4097157
>>4097158
You're really overstating what Crapple did. They're like Nintendo, really. Innovated nothing but get all the credit because they popularised some things to consumers.

>>4097641
Nothing to do with innovation or credit.
You seem like the guy who though his whole life that Apple invented the mouse only to find out otherwise and now butthurtingly post against Apple every time possible.

>>4097641
>You're really overstating what Crapple did. They're like Nintendo, really. Innovated nothing
I mean in the 2000s Apple did some things.

Nintendo has actually innovated.

>>4097641
>they popularised some things to consumers
Pretty important if you ask me, who cares who got the credit, you can't say they didn't change anything.
Apple fucking sucks and does stupid shit, always has, now more than ever, Steve Jobs made wrong decisions regarding hardware, fucking shit luck, but you really can't say they don't matter. That's just being ignorant and clueless.

>>4097648
They didn't do anything new.
>>4097660
Name some things they did that hadn't been done before.

>>4097632
>>4097639
Modes 12 and 13 are elaborate kludges which are to VGA what 240p is to 480i.

http://faculty.chemeketa.edu/csekafet/ELT256/Video_Pt2-Graphics_Mode.ppt

>>4097719
>They didn't do anything new.
Innovation isn't invention, kiddo.

>>4097719
Pretty darn dumb statement. You didn't even read the post as it seems.

>>4097727
>kiddo
Autism is a hell of a drug.

>>4097734
>Autism is a hell of a drug.
If that kind of name calling helps your argument.

>>4097727
innovate/ˈJnəveJt/
verb
make changes in something established, especially by introducing new methods, ideas, or products.
>>4097734
So you can't name anything?

>>4097723
No, modes 12 and 13 are pretty standard.
Your statement about 99% is still false.

>>4097739
Yes. Now you use you dumb little brain and read that definition. Now tell me how to be innovative it has to be new?

>>4097739
>So you can't name anything?
You can't even reply properly to a post, you might as well shut up.

>They didn't do anything new.
Nobody said they did. Except for a few things of course.
Your argument was that if they didn't exist, nothing would change, that's pretty dumb, only a fairly ignorant and dumb person would think that.

You already said >>4097641 they popularised some things to consumers, so why do you ask me?

>>4097745
>Now tell me how to be innovative it has to be new?
Try again.

>>4097753
Nice, I totally fell for the bait, but that was a laughable attempt.
I hope you're actually not as dumb as you seem.

>>4097751
>Except for a few things of course.
Such as?
>Your argument was that if they didn't exist, nothing would change, that's pretty dumb
How so? It's true.

>they didn't do anything new!!!!11 ree
>they popularised things...
>they don't matter tho!!!!1111
>stop oppressing me, I'm right you're wrong!!!
My fucking sides.

>>4097757
I want you to try to express your thought again. You clearly failed because you didn't make any sense.

>>4097753
The common core way of arguing is tiring. You kids are hopeless

Smells like /g/ in here...

>>4097769
Why are you sperging out like this? Because one evil company popularised something does not preclude it from being popularised by a different company.

>>4097772
You're talking about >>4097758 ?
Most /g/ knows Apple's history quite well and their importance, it smells more like ignorant youngsters are at play

>>4097772
Modern /g/ has a secret hard on for apple.

All I said was Apple did innovate a few things in the 2000s. Before that I'd argue they were a worthless company other than for stock trading.

>>4097771
So you have nothing? Goodbye. Go make baseless assertions that you can't back up elsewhere.
>>4097780
Give me some examples of their importance.

>>4097776
You can't say that. You have no proof what so ever if, when and how things would have been if Apple didn't do them.

Steve Jobs being as dumb about hardware and software as he was, was a marketing genius after all. UNIX dick suckers, Atari and Commodore engineers, Microsoft with Bill Gates and sidekicks would have never noticed some of the things Apple did right the first time.

>>4097783
Later champ. Enjoy summer break.
>>4097776
>>4097787
Lets be real here. The only reason Apple is around today is Sony being slow and having bad marketing on their mp3 players.

what are you guys fucking arguing about? Apple played a huge role in commercializing the mouse, defining publication software and printing, UI development for the common user, even antialiasing fonts

just because Bill Gates said a decade later they would have stolen from Xerox too, does not mean it would have been the same

>>4097787
You really think Apple was the only company that could notice things that everyone was already well aware of? Your argument basically boils down to Apple having good marketing. This has nothing to do with hardware or software.
>would have never noticed some of the things Apple did right the first time.
Such as?

>>4097797
>commercializing the mouse
What do you even mean by this?
>defining publication software and printing, UI development for the common user, even antialiasing fonts
None of these are true at all.

>>4097798
>Your argument basically boils down to Apple having good marketing. This has nothing to do with hardware or software.
did I say it did? how does this play a role in the first place? your argument is that if something is invented it because popular right away

>Such as?
fonts, prove me wrong

>>4097803
Source. If you're going to say it ain't true, give me proof.

>What do you even mean by this?
>he dosen't know Apple used a mouse several years before any other microcomputer did

>None of these are true at all.
>he doesn't know shit about history
Wait, are you serious? You don't know about this shit?

>>4097797
None of that shit mattered or a far superior implementation was followed shortly after.
>commercializing the mouse
Serial mice and DOS support we're coming regardless. Apple just shouted loudly.
>defining publication software and printing
You mean proprietary shit that is still nightmare today.
>UI development for the common user
Irreverent until Win95.
>antialiasing fonts
Now that's reaching. I mean maybe for the extreme high home user. SGI was doing for more crazy shit.

>>4097809
The burden of proof is on you. But you don't seem to have a clue at all. Mice were used with commercial computers half a decade before Apple's mouse.

>>4097804
Try to learn English.

faggots seriously thing the Apple II lines of computers didn't make a dent in the world?

>>4097829
Why don't you describe their innovations, then, and show us how important that piece of shit was.

>>4097829
They made a dent in the scrapyards for sure. I'm sure the IC hunters along with copper and gold scrappers loved them.

>>4097820
>The burden of proof is on you. But you don't seem to have a clue at all.
That's why you should fuck off because we are not here to educate faggots like you.

>Mice were used with commercial computers half a decade before Apple's mouse.
Are you serious? You said you have no clue, yet you make a dumb statement like that, no, the computers that used mice where never commercialised.
They costed a lost of you needed one custom built if you wanted one, note, most people with the money never got one, even when they tried.

>>4097819
I'll take the bait.

>Serial mice and DOS support we're coming regardless. Apple just shouted loudly.
Over half a decade later.

>You mean proprietary shit that is still nightmare today.
Irrelevant.

>Irreverent until Win95.
You really are a dumbass if you don't even acknowledge the dozens of UIs that came before Windows 95. Not talking about Apple here.

>Now that's reaching. I mean maybe for the extreme high home user. SGI was doing for more crazy shit.
I thought we were talking about Apple in general and not your "only if it benefits me" argument.

>>4097831
>Why don't you describe their innovations
already done by several anons here

>show us how important that piece of shit was.
do you know someone who didn't use one in school who went to school in the 80's or early to mid 90's in the US? even clones where popular outside the US in the educational market

>>4097929
>Over half a decade later.
See pic kiddo. Then fuck off.

>>4097942
Nice, the Microsoft mouse, made 4 years after Apple.

>>4097942
>kiddo
That's not an argument Mr.Eary20's

>>4097997
That's the big selling one. Microsoft had earlier mice too just less than a year after Apple on the consumer market.
Much less than your 5+ year claim bullshit.

>>4098004
It does right-clicking too!

>>4098002
Better calm down. Your tablet wont handle that kind of angry tapping like that for long.

>apple monitor from the late 90s
Get a 68k or Power Mac with OS 7, get a ps2 keyboard and play Marathon 2 you stupid fuck

>>4098064
>ps2
Shirley you mean ADB? Apple rarely adopted IBM standards back in them days.

>>4098086
Whatever, get a keyboard with a numpad

>>4097092
It's just a damn VGA monitor no matter the logo

>>4097112

I have that same monitor

>>4097451
There's also Flatron from LG, which is some weird shadow mask hybrid iirc and not really an aperture grille.

>>4098137
I have one of those, a 20" SDTV, the picture quality is fucking beautiful. Much better than my trinitron.

>>4097201
>>4097203
Yeah, though it made looking for a capture card that accepts VGA a bit more difficult on me. I settled into one, that eats up a slot on the motherboard, but still desire the Micomsoft USB 3.0 one. Sad news is my capture card doesn't like the OSSC at this time. I still wish I can buy a pro 15kHz CRT for less than a line doubler, unicorns are more likely to be found than BVMs in my neck of the woods (and the $2000+ burger bux to get one here is out of my pay grade). I still can only imagine using a BVM as it sounds amazing to play on. Also yes, I did choose to add in that one extra support column onto the desk just for peace of mind in weight distribution, but the GDM FW-900s weigh over 95lbs.each, so two of them may be a bit much. I think I will have to custom build one, since a lot of "computer desks" nowadays would assume they are for the comparatively lighter flat panel LCD/OLED.


I wish I never threw away the Viewsonic G90f (or was it a P90f, I forgot) in >>4097118 as it was super sharp 19" monitor with great colors to my eyes, just because I had to move. Good news is that my uncle still has an old Gateway 2000 P5-75 and its accompanying 17" Trinitron, and I think that is a good size screen for some classic console gaming or MAME emulation. I just need to get a bigger/better place as these CRTs just eat up space, but it can still put the OSSC and/or XRGB2 to good use again (or I can build up enough funds for a low latency 4k OLED). Old computer CRT monitors are my only cheap alternative to pretending I have a BVM for classic gaming fun.

>>4098980
Yes, Flatron displays are fucking beautiful but nobody talks about it because it's not meme-tier like Trinitron. Shadow masks get shit on despite being better than aperture grille in some scenarios.

>>4099105
>Shadow masks get shit on despite being better than aperture grille in some scenarios
Rarely, high res aperture grill beat shadow mask in pretty much any scenario, professional graphic workstation monitors where always aperture grille.

Also, Flatron is slot mask.

Buy a dreamcast faggot

>>4099152
An aperture grille will always be beat by a shadow or slot mask when it comes to text clarity and overall sharpness.

>>4100357
No.
Aperture grille does not distort the image and is generally brighter and more colorful.

Even a simple Google search would wield you results how aperture grille is superior in VGA displays.
Stop basing your shit options on some shit Trinitron clone TV tubes.

>>4097274
Why do numales always exhibit that facial expression?

>>4100763
Because they're feminine.

>>4100763
Being silly is nonthreatening. I rarely find a need to pose with an object I'm photographing especially not my face but if I do I try to look at it as if I hate it intensely.

>>4100763
Because Americans are child-like. They smile in photos with big, cheesy grins. They dress in awful looking khakis, button-up shirts, and big shoes. They are just large kids who try to seem mature, but by trying so hard they show how immature they are.

Why do CRT PC monitors often have max resolutions of 1280X1024 (5:4) when these monitors are invariably 4:3 aspect ratio?

Did they expect users to notice the increased sharpness but not notice the stretched aspect and oval circles?

>>4100827
They probably expected them to adjust the image dimensions since they put controls right on there to do so.

>>4100827
are you unaware that crt monitors are adjustable

>>4097316
>What monitors are we talking about? The latter ones that use ADC aren't Trinitron/Diamondtron tubes. Only up to the mid-late 90's ones are and they are always Trinitrons, not Diamondtrons.
>Those do have the DA-15 Apple video connector, not to be confused with ADC though. It's just VGA with additional data lines. Easy to convert to VGA.

I have one of these monitors. I want to use it with my Lignux machine for emulation.
Can I just use a basic adapter like pic related and set computer to output 640X480 or do I need the special adapter with many little switches on it?

>>4100829
Did they come with a 5:4 raster scan factory default or did they expect the average user to get a ruler and measure the correct aspect ratio while adjusting?

>>4100845
You need the special adapter (with switches) if you want to use a VGA monitor with a Macintosh.
If you want to use a Macintosh monitor with a PC, you don't need the special adapter (with switches).

>>4100827
>>4100850
Advanced users calibrated their monitors.
It wasn't an option for normies.

>>4100850
Presumably they would use a compass if they wanted to tell an oval from a circle but we usually just eyeballed it.

>>4100865
>Advanced users calibrated their monitors.
>It wasn't an option for normies.

every single person calibrated their monitor. it used to be that if you were on a computer there was a higher than average chance you were smart. you phoneposter kids don't understand this concept obviously

>>4100906
>every single person calibrated their monitor.
No, normies didn't touch that shit. Kids who though they are smart always ended up with shit.

>it used to be that if you were on a computer there was a higher than average chance you were smart.
We aren't talking about the 80's here grandpa.

>>4100801
That guy's british though...

>>4101360
Britain is Americanised.

>>4100674
t. sonypony fanboy who only parrots what they read from other fanboys

tell me more about your absolutely perfect picture tube technology, I'm fascinated by how it has nothing but advantages over other technologies.

>>4097062
I'd recommend just heading down to your local thrift store and pick up a regular CRT TV for cheap.

If you don't want to take up more space however, there are various adapters you can find on places like eBay or Amazon. Just look up "(Insert Video Cable of your Choice) to VGA adapter".

I have a Viewsonic A75F but recently it'll turn green for a second before turning yellow. Any reason why? I have it connected to a modern desktop which is connected to a 1080p monitor.

>>4100827
I think that's just the flexibility of the analog video of a CRT. My computer monitors are 16:10, but I just adjust the scan/geometry to what looks right depending on video source. Like my 360 outputs a 16:9 video, so I squeeze the vertical a bit. SNES and NES has this square video but I stretch it horizontally a bit. Unlike digital monitors which are restricted to their designed square pixels, sometimes some hardware took advantage of the CRT monitor flexibility, like Capcom's CPS games render out to 16:9, but was intended for a 4:3 display, so the horizontal compression gave the artists a bit more pixels to work with for detail (but the pixels turn into thin rectangles which would be difficult to render properly with square pixels of a modern panel without a very high pixel count, which is why 4k seems like a good step to me if they can reduce the lag).

The thing with computer monitors for computers, you can also set your resolution.

>>4101502
>t. sonypony fanboy
Where did you see that?
I love Diamondtrons too.

You can easily check everything I said, it's common knowledge.
What's more to say? It was the de-facto for anything graphics related for a reason.

>>4097092
>destroying it
>not selling it to a macfag for twice the inherent value of a monitor of that size and type

>>4097605
FM is lower than that. Most 2010+ Sony 1080p or 2014+ Samsung UHD have lower than that in fact.

>>4104665
>FM is lower than that
No, it isn't. The lowest remotely credible test I've seen had it ~25ms and even that's pushing it.

>Most 2010+ Sony 1080p or 2014+ Samsung UHD have lower than that in fact.
For analogue SD inputs? Absolute twaddle.

>>4104607
Yes, and a shadow mask was the de-facto for anything not graphics related because of text clarity. An improperly calibrated aperture grille will distort an image just like any other monitor will, btw. The only person with shit opinions is you, the rest of the world agrees that aperture grille is only best for graphical applications like photo editing which is a niche area.

Incase you're not aware btw, Diamondtron is a shit Trinitron clone.

>>4104569
When I first-first heard about 4k displays I thought "how unnecessary" but then I started dividing by various native resolutions and thinking about the organic resolution of 35mm film etc. Also vr goggles.

>Page 10
STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM!

>>4097727
>kiddo
You still need that trip, ya fag.

>>4097326
>people born in 1998 can post here

>>4107657
People born after 1998 can post here. They aren't supposed to but they do it all the time.