/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4084159
That was the first shit generation.

>>4084159
Yeah, you also would have had a hard time believing anything as you weren't alive at the time.

Shit thread, gay OP.

>>4084178
Pretty sure the 360/PS3/Wii gen was the first shit one

>>4084178
>>4084194
Thanks summer.

>>4084178
>>4084198
Both wrong. The generations before the NES generation was shit.

The truth is every single console has had the same story, more or less - Maybe 10-15% of their libraries contain good stuff that people want to play and fondly remember, and the rest were titles that were 'meh' to outright crap. It was that way with Atari, NES, Master System, all those 5th gen systems you list, and indeed the systems of today. That's right, there's good stuff to found on modern systems too, but you choose to ignore it because that fact doesn't fit into your "Gaming is total shit now REEEEEE" narrative. So good thread, OP. I look forward to seeing it grace page 10 promptly.

>>4084213
Sorry what?

>>4084159
I dunno, PS2 has a pretty great library and having a modded Xbox was like a gateway to PC gaming before PC gaming became really affordable on a console budget.

>>4084217
This is just showing the broadening appeal of gaming which ultimately results in more/specialized games coming out. If you're only considering the top five games then you're really making yourself seem like an uber-casual. Even Chad has a gem or two hidden in his library, guaranteed.

>>4084217
>The top 5 selling titles represent the entire library.

>>4084231
No it's pretty much all qte and cinematic trash. I don't really care about your hipster select list either of "good games".
>Xbox was like a gateway to PC gaming
No

>>4084234
Oh that's right you kids only play "good games". Hipsters.

>>4084198
This. 6th gen was great.

Also fuck off with your underage shit. C64/Nes where my first gaming experience.

>>4084217
Autism. Also thats a good list of games till madden

>>4084236
Really when you start talking about cinematic experiences and qte's you've basically lost all credit as a conversational partner, because that just means you don't really play new games, you just get all your ideas from v

>>4084159
my childhood = golden period
everything else = shit period

>>4084251
This guy gets it.

>>4084246
No it really isn't. San Andreas is trash and runs like trash.
>>4084250
That's what new games offer. Sorry you're blind to that. I'm sure your hipster select games are better though.

>>4084258
The games I like from the last three generations are about as far away from hipster as you can get I'm just not a contrarian v faggot. I

>>4084267
>I'm just not a contrarian v faggot
Sorry kid. I like actual games.

>>4084159
>last great generation

>>4084278
-The death of SEGA
-A DVD player and the start of console needing multimedia features or dying
-Not much of note. Some shit practices here and there though.
-The birth of DLC and online cancer

Great gen, champ.

>>4084159
Well, I see the playstation as the actually divider by house-dad-wife-ing aka marketing shitfest and casualising gaming. Nintendo64 and Saturn were okay if ya ask me. But PS, the console for casual idiots ruined everything

>>4084295
I don't see that. Outside of Crash and Spyro the games get less casual very quick.

>>4084284
You're not talking about the games though you insufferable retard the same kind of shit can be said about the fifth gen. And not even that none of those are problrms they're just buzzwords

ya'll posting in a troll thread. op throws the word hipster around like it's a slur and yet he's the biggest hipster contrarian faggot in here.

>>4084308
>same kind of shit can be said about the fifth gen.
No
>buzzwords
Big vocabulary there.
>You're not talking about the games
Why would I? Do I really need to bring up trash low God of War where you win by spamming the button on the screen? I'm not even making that shit up. That's literately (not the meme) the combat system. Or wonderful trash like Halo.

>>4084284
>-The death of SEGA
They didnt die.

>-A DVD player and the start of console needing multimedia features or dying
5th gen.

>-Not much of note. Some shit practices here and there though
Solid Arguement.
.
>-The birth of DLC and online cancer
Not even.

>Great gen, champ.
I was, you just have autism.

>>4084317
None of the shit you said holds up. Sorry.

>>4084310
Agreed. Thread isn't even really worth participating in because even if we turn it and make a valid argument that modern gaming is good the thread becomes off-topic for the board.

>>4084319
>None of the shit you said holds up. Sorry.

Has hardly any merit to it your right. But infinitively more than the nonsense you posted.

>>4084369
Most of what I posted were touted as features as matter of fact.

>>4084371
Death of sega was 6th gen feature? Yeah no.
Ps1/SS had CD support, so DVD is fine.
DLC/Online existed before 6th gen.

Rip in pieces your argument.

>>4084372
Ya because people bought Saturns and PS1s for the CD player and they outsold CD players like walkmans? Oh wait your retarded history revision never actually happened? In the real world would the CD walkman outsold the PS1 and the PS2 was the top selling DVD player of all time.
>DLC/Online existed before 6th gen.
No it didn't.

Dumb kid.

>>4084378
NO IT DIDNT YOUR AGUEMENT IS BAD COS I THNK YOUR UNDERAGE WAHH MOOM THIS GUY WONT LET ME WIN ON THE INTERNET WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH MY SAFEPLACE

>>4084379
I stated facts, kiddo. Sorry you're plain wrong.

>>4084381
Nah i stated them you just said they where wrong without backing anything up

>>4084395
The only fact you stated was the PS1 and Saturn had CD players.

>>4084378
Back in the day most people I knew used their PS1 to play CDs

>>4084397
Well that 1 me. 0 you

>>4084213
This guy gets it.

>>4084217
If you think Crash and Frogger are different from GTA, CoD or Fallout you're probably blinded by childhood memories.

>>4084159
I wouldn't have believed it either, and I would have been right to. 360 is my second favorite console of all time behind Genesis, anyone who discounts the amazing variety of games on it because they don't like the top selling games is an idiot.

Also don't believe the revisionist lies and keep the real truth in your mind. Zentraedi did 9/11

>>4084403
Babbages speaks truth.

>>4084405
Can't help ya.
>>4084408
Please tell me Frogger and Fallout are the same game. This should be good.

>>4084378
>DLC/Online existed before 6th gen.
>No it didn't.

DLC is really just another word for expansion packs which were common for PC games.

>>4084419
And we had online like Sega Mega Drive Channel and Sattview on Snes. It existed before

>>4084419
>DLC is really just another word for expansion packs
It's summer.

>>4084416
>Please tell me Frogger and Fallout are the same game.

How did you possibly get that I was saying they were the same game? Is this not your first language or something? Did you actually misunderstand the meaning of that sentence that badly or is this some dank trolling?

>>4084424
P2P networks =/= online

>>4084403
Hell, people still use PS1 "Audiophiles" today. I dont think many people still use ps2 for the dvd players.

Hell I bet the amount of sales went up a shit ton with the release of the ps2. Was true for most people I know, none of them had DVDs till they got a ps2.

>>4084425
Weak.

>>4084429
Try reading you're own post dumbass.
>If you think Crash and Frogger are different from GTA, CoD or Fallout you're probably blinded by childhood memories.

>>4084431
controlled by or connected to a computer.

>>4084434
Naw. You're not pulling the physical media is digital shit here, kiddo.
>>4084438
I can wiki too. It's not online. An online network like XBox live or PSN is not thae same thing as SEGA channel. Sorry.

>>4084436
I know what I wrote. Are you stupid or trolling?

>>4084442
>Naw. You're not pulling the physical media is digital shit here, kiddo.

Digital is no different.

Nice "kiddo"

>>4084442
>I can wiki too. It's not online. An online network like XBox live or PSN is not thae same thing as SEGA channel. Sorry.

Prove it autist.

>>4084445
Oh so you see you're retarded and are doing mental gymnastics to not answer the question.
>>4084447
Ya kid digital is totally physical.
>>4084448
I already have. Not to mention also that SEGA channel was a streaming service...

>>4084450
There's no question to answer. You either can't understand a basic sentence or you're pretending you can't. Either way you've shown your hand.

And yes, digital is fundamentally the same. Enjoy your empty rage. :)

>>4084453
Explain how frogger and fallout are the same
>If you think Crash and Frogger are different from GTA, CoD or Fallout
You clearly think they're the same.

>digital is fundamentally the same
Ya kiddo. Digital is the exact same as physical... Nothing different at all!

>>4084450
>Not to mention also that SEGA channel was a streaming service...

" data would be downloaded into the adaptor's on-board 4 MB RAM" - Wikipedia

Least finish reading the article.

>>4084432
Yeah, despite the fact that the CD format had been established for like 14 years before the Playstation's release versus only 5 years of DVD before PS2 and Blu-ray only really becoming standardized the same year as the PS3 launch - the first Blu-ray disc I ever saw played was on a PS3.

This also helps to explain why PS1s are still chugging along as CD players but PS2s and PS3s that were used to play tons of movies mostly fell apart - the technology wasn't refined yet.

>>4084456
>kiddo.
This guy again, you still sound like you trying to groom some of us. Could you add a trip so we know not to engage you in civil conversation?

>>4084458
I don't need the article I had one, kid. The games were only available for a certain time and the cycled them. Why it was called SEGA Channel...

>>4084461
Still waiting on how frogger and fallout are the same.

>>4084456
>You clearly think they're the same.

It's still hard to tell if you're actually that stupid of if this is your shtick . But the way you misunderstand something and then go apeshit over it is familiar. Are you this turbo-tard? >>4024303

>>4084473
Please explain your sentence then. And no.

shit thread, report

>>4084462
You still downloaded them through a network, doesn't matter how, its still the same printable as DLC. You were paying for an online service that gave you content. Which ever marketing words that they used at the time are nonsensical, its still the same shit. You could easily say the famicom disk system with the kiosks where the start of dlc at a stretch.

>>4084478
>Please explain your sentence then.
LOL wow you really didn't understand did you?

I don't know what's wrong with you dude, but good luck in life.

>>4084483
Man I would love if my ISP had the same autistic kid logic you had. They could tell me my new service is now a streaming service for only 8 hours a day because that's the same as actual online access.

>>4084491
Great

>>4084483
Chances are somebody somewhere sometime used an acoustic coupler and a HAM radio to transfer a Starpath game.

>>4084493
Throwing insults with nothing to back up your shitty argument.

Well played, you proved me wrong so bad.

>>4084493
You are dumb on a cosmic scale. It's really amazing. But pretty funny at the same time.

>>4084504
Stop trying to reinvent history babbage, god!

>>4084504
>>4084523
You kids are honestly saying HAM radio is the same as XBox live now?
>>4084510
>>4084519
You tried.

>>4084198
This.

>>4084523
I'm not, I'm pointing out that if you're going to argue you should really establish the terms of your argument. There's nothing wrong with playing games online and there's nothing inherently wrong with buying games online. What sucks is for these things to be used to trick people into paying hundreds of dollars just to play a game. That's been a slippery slope all of which began legitimately with expansions being added to freshen up gameplay and online fees legitimately offsetting the cost of running those powerful (at the time) servers. Microtransactions were even a good way of trying out a game for free then gradually paying for it if and when you became serious about playing it. As always, good things get twisted by the pure profit people but the frontier still advances and now we get "early access" gaming where small developers with good game concepts can make enough money to continue development and the community can really participate in game design although of course there are factions working on ruining that, too.

The bottom line though is that there's always good designers trying to make good games and as time goes by there are only more and more of them you just have to find ways to sift through exponentially more garbage to find them.

>>4084529
>You kids are honestly saying HAM radio is the same as XBox live now?

Obviously XBL is much better and more robust than what came before. Their point is there aren't the clear lines you're trying to draw.

Anyways, I still hold that anyone who says gaming died at Gen 5 or 6 or 7 or 8 or whatever is really just a fan of nostalgia, not games. Gaming itself just keeps getting better and better.

>>4084562
I know you wasn't i was being sarcastic. I agree with ya.

>>4084576
>Gaming itself just keeps getting better and better.
t. nu-gamer

Games, like society, are degenerating at a rapid rate. Safe AAA tripe shat out by soulless corps and lazy indie garbage are all you'll receive nowadays.

>>4084645
>t. nu-gamer
Except I'm in my 40's and have been an avid gamer for most of my life.

Society as well, despite it's bumps and trumps along the way continues to get better also.

>>4084669
Alright man, enjoy your delusional bizarro world.

>>4084310
>ANYTHING I DON'T AGREE WITH IS TROLLING
the state of /vr/. god when is summer going to end

>>4084678
And good luck trying to survive in your soul-sucking dark dimension.

>>4084645
You sound like an edgy teenager who hates everything. Think the government is out to get you and keep you down, man!

>>4084159

PS3/360 generation was the downfall. It was when it was clearly obvious that Japanese devs did not want to put in anymore effort into being original and western devs constantly shat out first person shooters.

>>4084687
>mindless open world kusoge

Oh, I'm talking to someone with no taste. Carry on.

>>4084804
And you sound like you ran out of arguments.

>>4084159
PS2, GC and Dreamcast are great consoles though.

>>4084447
The difference is that expansion packs were generally full-fledged releases unto themselves, providing a whole new game's worth of content for the price.
Today's DLC stores are designed by marketing psychologists to trick addicts and children into nickel and diming themselves to death for artificially scarce virtual tokens.

>>4084886
Xbox was too despite the dudebro stigma it has. It had lots of great Japanese games

>>4084447
star craft brood war is totally the same as nickel and dimeing you with extra street fighter outfits.

>>4084942
>street fighter
yeah cause releasing the same game on snes 4 times was that different

true, 6th gen is overrated as fuck

>>4084159
I did tell you in 90. But all you said was goo goo ga ga. In retrospect far more intelligent than your post.

>>4084198
Someone post the screenshot listing all the cancerous shit that happened in 200 (Big Bang Theory started, first iPhone came out, etc.).

>>4085476
*2007

>>4084178
This. The whole "everything must be 3D!" mantra really turned me off and anything 2D wasn't heavily advertised or put on display units. I spent most of my time that gen playing GB, GBC, and PC games.

>>4084576
I can't say that.

If you want games similar to what was made in /vr/ times, you end up looking towards no budget indie shit.
Low budget actual professional titles fucked off outside of handhelds after PS2, and even still they're getting subsumed by indies, smaller actual dev shops fucked off to the mobile market for easier money.
AAA games are stale and samey.

Availability of games is probably the only thing that's actually gotten better, and that's purely with just official means to play games, not even like downloading a full No-Intro set or anything.

>>4085487
this being pushed so hard kind of did fuck things up
I still love the 5th gen for being pretty experimental because devs were new to 3D, but it also kept big console-style 2D games with the kind of graphics you only saw in arcades at the time from happening, and the only big 2D games from the PS1 that ordinary people might remember are either SotN or Megaman X4/X5

>>4085323
>he hangs out with babies

>>4084951
Yes, it's totally different, you fucking idiot.

>>4084278
Agreed, 6th was arguably the last GREAT generation.

The industry hasn't matched up since

ok, let's grade each gen we played:

>2nd gen: 1.0
hardly any good game. Games had no story or ending. They were just time killers that you would play for score or until you got bored.

>3rd gen: 6.0
The birth of videogames as we know today. Nintendo, Capcom and Konami did a great job here.

>4th gen: 9.0
the perfection of the 2D formula. Nintendo and Sega at their very peak. Too bad some genres were left behind due to hardware limitations.

>5th gen: 10.0
so much creativity. Games were not so expensive to make so everyone was giving a shot at new ideas on this new fancy 3D graphics. Also: both the PS1 and the N64 we battling for the market dominance making some of the best games ever.

>6th gen: 7.0
It was a good gen but the market started getting flooded with shitty games from movies and cartoons. It was the beggining of the downfall of games. Also: Rare was dead and nintendo went full retard with many franchises.

>7th gen: 6.0
Things started to go downhill from here. Shooters, shooters everywhere. Nintendo was braindead, making shitty family friendly games and many studios went bankrupt. The saving grave of this gen was it taking so much longer than any other gen and making a few amazing games like dark souls.

8th gen: 4.0
The shittiest gen since the Atari. Just a few companies left making games. Good games are far and few between. Everything now is a boring open world game or a shitty online multiplayer shooter or moba. Also: Nintendo shoot itself in the foot with the Wii U, the one that could be the only saving grace of the gen.

>9th gen: ???
dead in the water so far.

>>4084819
>taste

Lol

>>4085702
Good summary. I'd also add that a huge problem with the 6th generation was how the fresh original games from the 5th were turning into franchises of the worst kind, basically selling the same game over and over, just with better graphics (while the 3D leap from 4th to 5th killed or reinvented many franchises).

I was not attracted at playing the same Tekken game again and again, so I just didn't buy a PS2, nor any other console afterwards. And 20 years later, it's still the same Tekken they're selling with Tekken 7. No inventivity... Imagine if the major games of 1998 had been mere reskins of Pong or Pac-Man, on a console named the CV4 (ColecoVision 4). That's the stale state of the video game industry today.

>>4085674
A handful of good games does not make up for shit like Halo, Kingdom Hearts, God of War, terrible platformers, etc

>>4085743
If a handful of good games wasn't enough the N64 would be in trouble.

>>4085752
N64 didn't have a handful of games. It had multiple genre and generation defining games along with a handful of good games.

Nintendo was dead for me when they announced the wii and to be honest games went to shit during the 7th gen and the past gen

>>4085743
One important difference between, say, the 4th and the 6th generation was that even the mediocre games of the 4th generation were enjoyable, while even the biggest titles of the 6th generation felt meh.

Two Crude Dudes, Street Racer or World Heroes were not masterpieces, but at least they were funny.

>>4085762
I try to tell these kids that all the time. I usually get a reply that I'm dumb for looking at the top selling games and their hipster select game list is best.

>>4084159
I get what you're saying, but I can't agree. The DS was the single best gaming system ever, and it didn't come out until 2004.

>>4085762
Pure nostalgia

>>4085779
>launch emulator
>enjoy an obscure 1993 game you've never played or even heard about before, from a console you never owned
>"p-p-pure nostalgia!!!"

>>4085702
An almost soulless and somewhat accurate recounting of the ghosts of games past.

More than ever marketers are trying shady ass tactics to line their pockets and the impact is clear.

It used to be about stunts, marketing, promotions and advertising but now its about how much can they nickle and dime you. A systems game library used to be comprised of "mostly crap but some gems" to "$60 for a complete experience Vs. $60 for a shell and its $60 worth of DLC"

>>4084159
>dreamcast
>ps2
>gamecube
>shit generation
mmmm

>>4085779
Pretty sure people enjoy games like Zombies ate my Neighbors, Beyond Oasis, Mutant League Football, etc.

>>4085782
I love doing that, but doing it with random games now is just as fun as it has been the whole time. Your nostalgia is for the era and the bulkheaded notion that everything then was great and everything now sucks. Your misery is my comedy. Old gaming rocked but modern gaming rocks so much more.

>>4085789
You need to stop man. You can't do what that anon is talking about with 6thgen and later and have good results.

>>4084159
every generation has good games and bad games
amazing games are still coming out today
pull your head out of your ass

>>4085795
>amazing games are still coming out today
They aren't.

>>4085791
I can and do, honestly think they're on average better now than ever.

>>4085786
Beyond Oasis is one of my favorite games of the whole 16 bit era

>>4085798
And good luck finding a game like that in modern generations.

The second I tried dipping my feet into the lessor known and sub 80% rated games it was fucking bad.

>>4085784
Why are consoles missing in that pic?

>>4085810
Those are the consoles a regular person would have, plus handhelds.

>>4085789
I began playing with the Atari VCS 2600. Can you guess why I'm not playing these games at all today? I should be "nostalgic" and play Pitfall night and day, according to your logic.

>>4085817
I am not a regular person?

>>4084159
1. 5th gen was when consoles turned to shit. Arcades and PC were where it was at then. 6th gen was actually an improvement for consoles.

2. 9/11 was not as important of an event as you seem to think it was. All it really did was mark the end of privacy.

3. 7th gen was the first gen where all the platforms were lacking, including PC and arcades.

4. 8th gen was really the first time that gaming overall was shit.

>>4085865
>5th gen was when consoles turned to shit.
The last time consoles actually had an advantage over PC? No.
>Arcades
Sure
>and PC were where it was at then.
In 95? Good luck with that. Still a time where point and click where the most impressive games. Doom being an exception. Later games like Descent and the later Voodoo card release that made that game really amazing. Wasn't till at least Win95 and Win98 that it really kicked off.
>6th gen was actually an improvement for consoles.
Not at all. First gen with worse than PC performance. Bad games everywhere. DLC and online shit.
>9/11 was not as important of an event
Pretty ignorant statement. You can disagree agree about entertainment (and be wrong) but it's the action that put America in it's longest war to date.

Rest is mostly just garbage speak but I want to point out that Arcades were basically dead by the time 6th gen came around.

>>4085586
>not a parent
>not an uncle
>no younger siblings
>poster child NEET basement troll

>>4084159
>>4084178
Letting fucking SONY in was the beginning of the end

>>4085797

>>4085797
/v/ called, they want you back

>>4084317
My halo 2 dlc on my og xbox debunks point 4.

>>4086146
>>4086190
Posting /v/ reaction images isn't helping you kids.

>>4086196
Not sure if serious

>>4086207
He is you dumb kid.

>>4086197
if you know enough to call those /v/ reaction images then you know enough to see that your stance is the epitome of /v/'s attitude towards gaming. /vr/ doesn't consider modern gaming shit as a whole because /vr/ knows gaming has always been shit if you take a consoles entire library into account. something like 15% of games are good and that's it, just like movies, and books, and plays, and all forms of fucking media.

>>4086218
/v/ can't shut up about modern games so you have no point.

>>4086218
>/vr/
dont talk for me

>>4086225
fuck you, I'll do as I please on this south african hobby modelling forum!

how about instead of being a cunt you actually talk about good /vr/ games?

>>4086230
How about fuck off to /v/

>>4086218
>>4086230
You missed your board.

>>4086232
Why? /v/ is full of normies now and all they discuss is the latest shovelware from japan, like tekken, smt, or whatever else is the flavour of the month. I'd literally rather go to reddit for discussion about modern gaming, which I'm not very interested in anyways.

>>4086241
Go to reddit then. The irony is comical.

>>4086246
>reading comprehension
do you know what those words mean when stuck together? if anybody should be on reddit it's you.

>>4086241
>even thinking of using reddit
Kill yourself
Well /v/ has always been /v/eddit for me

>>4086248
The irony was you calling people normies while defending modern games and posting one dank /vr/ reaction image after another. Your home isn't here.

>>4086252
so your stance is that 100% of modern games are absolute irredeemable garbage? I'm not saying that modern gaming is excellent, what I'm saying is that there are still good games being made. they aren't generally made by "AAA studios" like back in the day when your heroes capcum and whatnot made your favourite rehash of the same shit over and over again, but they're there.

>>4086249
I'd rather stick needles through my scrotum than ever meet you in real life, this does not mean I stick needles through my scrotum. you really must be underage to not be able to comprehend this simple figure of speech.

>>4086260
>I'm not saying that modern gaming is excellent
Nice back pedal.
>so your stance is that 100% of modern games are absolute irredeemable garbage?
As a whole yes.

>>4086262
>something like 15% of games are good and that's it, just like movies, and books, and plays, and all forms of fucking media.

this is a direct quote that you can go back and read. how does this imply that modern gaming as a whole or even a majority or even a fucking third is good?

you're an insufferable piece of human trash and if you ever wonder why nobody truly likes you, it's the attitude you're displaying here. I'm sure any conversation with you is irritating.

>>4086241
>normies
Fuck off fag

>>4086272
What is next?
Some wojaks?

>>4086272
It's failed logic because you're only taking into consideration the titles. Be like saying that since only 1% of car manufacturers are named Ford that it's an irrelevant company. And before you say some garbage retort that is literately (not the meme) the same logic you're using right now. The biggest selling games are what they are.

Nice, another shitty reaction image. Good job kid.

>>4086302
I don't have a single wojak actually. that's one meme I can't stand. here's a /vr/ pepe that I like cause it triggers newfags like you quite easily.

>>4086303
so then all retro games (which aren't retro by definition, they're vintage) are shit since they all aren't incredible. I can name some bad retro games and thus all retro games are shit. now that we've sorted that out we can come to the conclusion that video games as a whole are garbage. glad we sorted this out.

>literately
i do not think this word means what you think it means

>>4086309
>so then all retro games (which aren't retro by definition, they're vintage) are shit since they all aren't incredible.
If you're autistic and only capable of understanding absolutes. This would make logically sense to a person like that.
>i do not think this word means what you think it means
Actually I literately used it correctly.

>>4086319
you write like you're an esl and thus you're probably some third world shitter. I think I spotted the issue. you're too poor to buy any modern hardware and thus you have to resort to calling anything past 5th gen shit to keep yourself from wanting it when you can't have it.

go on some brazilian forum and argue in your own language about the shitty ports your backwater country got.

>>4086334
More irony. Great!

I live in America and do fine, kiddo.

>>4086345
tell me some of your favourite games, let's hear what the grandmaster of all vidya thinks is good.

>>4086384
Some of my favorites are Unreal up to 2k4, Quake III is really good, Thief would be up there, BF2, Dino Crisis 1/2, Resident Evil, Sled Storm, Mario Kart 64, OoT, Zombies ate my Neighbors, Dreamland 3, Streets of Rage, Metal Slug, Outrun, After Burner, Hydro Thunder, Daytona USA, SEGA Rally pretty much anyone, Time Crisis,

Shittiest guilty pleasure I have is Revolution X. It's shit but I love it.

>>4086408
that's some bland and generic taste. the only good games in there are quake and unreal

>oot
hahahaha, oh god please tell me you're joking?

>>4086415
>that's some bland and generic taste
Sorry I don't live up to your hipster standards.

I do like and love a lot of obscure games that you probably never heard of but I figured you'd call me a hipster if I started listing more obscure games.

>>4086218
>only 15% of games are good on my Neo-Geo

No.

With all this gen 6 talk, I ask...

Why gen 6 still isn't considered Retro by this board?

So everything turned to shit after 2000?

>>4086447
Because isn't retro. I'll be a cold day in hell before I'll agree that God of War and Halo belong on /vr/.

>>4086241
Daily reminder that if you don't like /v/ you don't belong on 4chan period.

>>4086457
Undertale is retro, why isn't it allowed?

>>4085874

>9/11 was not as important of an event
Pretty ignorant statement. You can disagree agree about entertainment (and be wrong) but it's the action that put America in it's longest war to date.

You are right to call out the statement but the Cold War was far longer and more important.

>>4086447
>>4086461
>Undertale is retro

>>4086472
It is, look up the meaning of retro. By definition it is retro since it's made to emulate the style of earlier games on earlier hardware, such as Earthbound. Earthbound on the other hand is a vintage game and not retro.

>>4086465
A lot of shit happened directly because of 9/11. Even the FBI is legally allowed to operate oversees now it's so fucked.

>>4085702
>hardly any good game. Games had no story or ending. They were just time killers that you would play for score or until you got bored.
>>>/v/

>>4086197
>you kids
Me kids be older than you sport. Maybe that's why I don't feel the need to prove my retro cred by hating everything made since you were born.

>>4084213
>The truth is every single console has had the same story, more or less - Maybe 10-15% of their libraries contain good stuff that people want to
That's false. Especially when you count for mid tier decent games where the SNES/Genesis had a boat load of solid medium titles. Modern consoles basically even their best shit sits at mediocre. Modern consoles also entirely lack masterpiece titles on par with the likes of say Super Metroid for example.

>>4084278
Dreamcast was the overall best of the bunch for library - though relied on a ton of arcade ports and also had one of the worst controller in history, so it was basically a torture experiment.
PS2 had a small handful of notable titles and an absolute tidal wave of shovelware garbage. But it also had one of the best controllers in gaming history.
The other two were basically garbage hoping to get ports passed around and thriving off drooling retards jerking off too Halo or MP.

Spec wise fine but their libraries were mostly trash.

>>4084483
>its still the same printable as DLC.
Actually it was basically a cheaper version of renting games. For the same price as renting 3-4 games for 3-4 days in a month you could basically have like 5 dozen games to play for the entire month.

It wasn't DLC, you got the games in their entirety. In short it was a 'single rom flashcart as a service.'

>>4088003
Noting the big downside to sega channel was that it only stored the battery data for the last rom you downloaded, so unlike renting multiple games if you were working your way through an RPG like light crusader or landstalker you basically couldn't play anything else unless you wanted it wiped and I think they possibly got wiped during the monthly turnover as well, not sure. Been a while.

But shit, 15 dollars a month for a rotating set of Genesis games. Unless you snagged games ultra cheap it would have been the equivocal of buying the games over an eight year period. Which, I mean technically would be a better investment but more of a hassle and space etc...

>>4088017
>it would have been the equivocal of buying the games over an eight year period
Possibly longer as well, I'm estimated 50 games at 50 bucks a pop retail, but you know you could technically snag them cheaper and get more titles as well.

Though you could never buy Wily Wars (U). Wasn't an actual cart outside of Japan and Europe.

>>4084198
I have to agree with this.
I hate everything in my PS3 collection.

>>4084198
This, the PS2 still had some gems

>>4084159
Tbqh Gen 6 was just a direct sequel to Gen 5, nothing much changed besides the tech limitations. Even the very earliest Gen 7 games still more or less followed the same paradigms gaming had until that point. 2007 was the year we stepped into the modern world and absolutely everything, including gaming, went to shit.

>>4085476

>>4088050
>>4088181
Where is 5thgen's Halo, Kingdom hearts, God of War, or DLC trash?

>>4088184
Some things went to shit earlier than others. Gen6 had no dlc trash, for starters. Also Halo didn't kill FPSes, it was Half Life, a retro game. And I don't see what's wrong with KH.

>>4088190
>Gen6 had no dlc trash, for starters
Incorrect kid. Why do you idiots always say this shit.

>Also Halo didn't kill FPSes, it was Half Life
>I don't see what's wrong with KH.
Explains a lot with opinions like that.

>>4088181
>complaining about the inevitable

>>4088191
Tell me how do you even download DLC to a PS2 or gamecube, how KH reflects all the bad tendencies about modern gaming, or how HalfLife wasn't literally the first linear cinematic FPS.

>>4088181
>complaining about the inevitable
You would've been the guy calling steam trains steel demons or something in the early 1800s

>>4088194
>Tell me how do you even download DLC to a PS2 or gamecube
North American releases with HDD support[edit]
ESPN NFL 2K5, NBA 2K5, ESPN College Hoops 2K5, ESPN MLB 2K5, and ESPN NHL 2K5 use the HDD to improve replays. (If the HDD is not installed, static screenshots are shown as replays. With the HDD, full cutscene-like replays can be displayed). ESPN NHL 2K5 has the ability to save files directly to the hard drive
Final Fantasy XI is the only North American game truly dependent on the HDD as it requires various patches and upgrades from Square Enix.
Metal Saga installs 1.7 GB to the HDD to decrease load time and uses the HDD to save/load game instead of Memory Card
MLB 2K6, 2K7, 2K8, 2K9, 2K10, 2K11 and 2K12 support saving to the HDD as well as the automatic installation of data for faster loading.†
NBA 2K6, 2K7, 2K8, 2K9, 2K10, 2K11 and 2K12 support saving to the HDD as well as the automatic installation of data for faster loading.†
NHL 2K6, 2K7, 2K8, 2K9 and 2K10 support saving to the HDD.†
RPG Maker 3 installs 3 GB to the HDD to decrease load times.

>>4088196
The creation of The Big Bang Theory could have safely been avoided.

>>4088194
>>4088198
Resident Evil Outbreak (both, the original game and File #2) installs 1 GB to the HDD for reduced loading times.
SOCOM 3: U.S. Navy SEALs supports additional maps, downloadable via the in game "Socom Store".
SOCOM II: U.S. Navy SEALs supports additional maps, however the files must be copied from a magazine demo disc to the hard drive and cannot be downloaded.
SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Combined Assault supports additional maps.
Street Fighter Alpha Anthology, like its Japanese counterpart, can install 2 GB to the HDD to reduce loading time.
The Urbz: Sims in the City recognizes when the HDD is installed and allows data to be saved directly to it. Also uses a 512 MB "__tmp" Partition to cache Game Files to speed up load times.
The Sims 2 recognizes when the HDD is installed and allows data to be saved directly to it. Also uses a 512 MB "__tmp" Partition to cache Game Files to speed up load times.
Network Access Disc

And Gamecube had DLC on disc.

I see this dumb ignorant comments from you kids a lot. I really don't get it. It's like you lie to yourselves about factual things and reinvent history to make it seem like 6thgen has more in common with 5thgen when it has nearly nothing in common. Very odd.

>>4088203
>And Gamecube had DLC on disc.

Which ???

>>4088198
>>4088203
I think you're very confused as to what DLC means. Those SOCOM games there are the only ones that actually sound like they had DLC, and FFXI had updates because it was an MMO. Even then this is such a small fraction of the PS2 library it's almost like saying the GameBoy supported DLC because of Mew in pokemon.
You're comparing this to a generation in which virtually every game has DLC (of the sort that costs money) and gets updates from the internet.

>>4088205
Animal Crossing off the top of my head. There were a few games at least.
>>4088209
You said harddrive. HDD support includes the games that had DLC and just used it at storage.
>You're comparing this to a generation in which virtually every game has DLC (of the sort that costs money) and gets updates from the internet.
Compared to 5thgen which had literately none in NA.

>>4088214
I probably asked the wrong question, since HDD support is indeed a way to download DLC to a 6th gen system, the problem is that no games actually used it for that purpose (Besides SOCOM I guess).

>>4084198
There is a thing about that gen that I haven't seen anyone else mention yet.

This was the first gen made for HDTVs. Console games before ran at low resolutions but CRTs also usually had a low native resolution and kinda hid it by being blurry.

Most HDTVs had a Full-HD resolution and they showed every pixel clearly. But most games from that generation ran at well under Full-HD resolutions. Because of that almost all games look pixelated. Also it seems like a lot of games just pretended no limitations exist. They try to make visually stunning games like they were making them for a High-End PC only to lower the resolution and texture resolution for the consoles. In the previous generations it seems to me that developers were well aware of the technical limiations of consoles and instead put in more effort into art direction.

>>4088224

>>4088227
None of those consoles had games that ran at 1080p. Almost all the games were 720p upsclaed to 1080p. Some at 900w/e resolution upscaled.

>>4088274
This is such a small fraction of that whole gen you were able to fit all of it in a single picture under 3MB. Even the term "DLC" wasn't a thing back then.

>>4088430
What does the whole game library have to do with it?

>>4088430
I'm so retro I unironically discovered the term "DLC" in 2017.

>>4084669
>>4084681
>>4086472
You seriously ha/v/e to go back.

>>4088274
Outside of xbox live sub, wasnt it all free? Even Halo 2 maps where free.

>>4089173
No. The Halo 2 maps became free but cost money when first released.

>>4084491
I'm not that guy but you pretty clearly told that guy that you think there's no difference between Frogger and fallout.

>>4089191
Was it really that hard to understand. The statement was in response to the sales chart listed, titled "thestartofcancer", posted in response to someone pointing out most systems have a majority of junk with a few gems.

The chart (from my understanding from the previous times he's posted it) is supposed to show how in the PS era the top selling games were of a special quality, while over time this "cancer" took over and now all we have is popularist garbage.

So by saying
>If you think Crash and Frogger are different from GTA, CoD or Fallout you're probably blinded by childhood memories.

What I meant was that if you think the PS1 era top selling games are fundamentally different from those of other eras, you're probably biased because of a childhood appreciation you had for them.

From someone who was already an adult when the PS1 came out, all the top selling games of each console are all the same in terms of being popularist mainstream games.

So as far as they relate to this ridiculous "cancerization" of games some people around here talk about, Frogger is no different than Fallout (or GTA, CoD, Halo etc etc etc). Neither is "cancer" obviously, but either could be painted as such by someone bored, stupid or angry enough to want to try.

>>4084491
>I have no argument the post

The other guy may be an Autist but at least explain yourself

>>4089331
lol

Okay that was good.

>>4086472

Shut up Calvin.

>>4089327
Man you got some strong mental gymnastic skills.

>>4089356
If you think that was mental gymnastics you're retarded.

>>4089369
Just to get you on the right path. Not that it will help but. Do you know that frogger is an arcade port?

DLC starts in Gen 6 but does not become the norm until Gen 7.

Coincidentally, I thought Gens 2 through 6 were all bretty gud. The slide began with Gen 7 and is gathering speed in earnest as 8 closes out.

>>4089372
Yes

I own it.

Also fallout4

>>4089386
>DLC starts in Gen 6

No, it starts much earlier.

>>4089394
And you're incapable of seeing how an arcade game is fundamentally different to a console game?

>>4089405

Doesn't count, nothing is downloaded.

>>4089412
What? Of course. Not everything about them is the same, obviously. Did you really still misunderstand the point I was making?

>>4089417
I think everyone is confused about your point. Do you mind rewording it

>>4089417
There's those mental gymnastics

>>4089425
I'll make it super duper simple for you.

GTA, GTA2, Frogger, Crash 2 and Crash 3 are no less or more "cancerous" or popularist than GTA:SA, GTA:VC, GTA3, GT3, Madden 2k4, GTAV, CoDBO, CodMW3, CodBO2, CodMW2, CoDBO3, GTAV,SWBF, CoDAW or Fallout4.

>>4089426
That's a meaningless statement. Try making a point if you have one.

>>4089440
>GTA, GTA2, Frogger, Crash 2 and Crash 3

Typos, obviously meant GT, GT2.

>>4088181
>tfw it's been 10 years already

>Console fags

>>4084159
PS2 XBOX DC and GCX are good af too anon

>>4090724
>good af
Calm down summer.

>>4090728
eat a dick. nigger

>>4090728
Ahh summer!

Each year, the weakling trolls who have nothing really to say once again trot out "It's SUMMER! Summer post! You're SO summer! Hur hur hur!"

Most people would learn after a few years, but you're just so extra special you never will. Enjoy the weather :)

>>4090747
>>4090894
Sure is summer.

>>4084217
Not to get too into all this but it's interesting that the PS4 has the most diversity of publishers in it's top selling games.

Last good gen? For me personally, right up to the current one. The current one just isn't at all appealing.

As for the 5th gen?
Well, There's plenty awesome to be found on all three systems, and PC. I just tried to list them and deleted it all, so I'll say this. Too many to count.

6th gen? Also too many, but some of the greatest games ever made belong here. Particularly Metroid Prime, and GTA San Andreas.

7th is a bit more sparse. I've never bothered with the Xbox brand, so those games never come into play for me in any gen.
But the Wii and PS3 both had a number of great plays. The Uncharted series, theatrical as it is, was awesome. Two great Zelda titles for the Wii, as well as the SM Galaxy games.
Even relative unknowns like Deadly Creatures, Muramasa, Sin and Punishment SS, and Vanquish on the PS3.
I got my money's worth.

This gen feels dead however. Namely because it all looks like last gen, except on Nintendo consoles, and it all feels a bit overdone and mundane now.
I've gained a greater appreciation for the systems I cut my teef on. NES, SNES, PSX. And I'm gaining appreciation for what I missed. Genny, Saturn, N64.
I will say this. The 3DS has been a GREAT investment. It feels like the only proper gaming platform to me, this generation.

>>4090970
>missing out on Metal Wolf Chaos

>>4090970
I'm always a generation behind and it works out so great. Ignore all the hype and drama, wait till definitive versions are out and things are cheap and just get what looks most fun and interesting.

>>4090960
I'm glad someone else finally noticed. Top sellers have always been for the masses, and that's a good thing but it's still nice to see.

The current gen is great fuck off.

>>4091006
Put down the gameboy and finish your rape dungeon

>>4085632
Releasing an old game with new characters for full price 4 times is different than the majority of modern DLC, but not in a positive way.

>all these 6th gen kiddies getting btfo
kek, people who grew up during the 6th gen era are probably the most obnoxious bunch.
>>4091391
this to, gaming has changed a lot but there is still some great shit that gets overlooked because a lot of people fall for the "modern games are shit" meme.

>>4092094
I'll say this: Modern AAA games are shit, but now we have a wider selection of games to play so while there is some truth to the "games are shit meme", it's mostly a meme and you can find good games around every corner if you look hard enough.

>>4084473
I bet you dicks to doughnuts he's the same guy that was saying Link to the Past wasn't on that Gamecube promo disc because of DLC and GBA link cables.

>>4085832
Did you love you some CD-i or something? Then no, you're not normal

>>4092319
The thing is games are harder to sift through now.
A lot of retro games don't even require an hour of your time. 7 hours is considered short for a modern game.

So a lot of information will be second hand. And if you've been on /v/ even once you'd know that one tiny nitpick = the game is unplayable.

>>4085798
The Saturn one was such a goddamned masterpiece

>>4088201
Yeah, if everyone were creationists.

>>4090894
>getting triggered so easily
>that spacing

helloreddit.jpg

>>4092094
>all these 6th gen kiddies getting btfo
All those lovely delusions you have.

>>4088184
I know this is /vr/ and all but take off the fucking stack of fedoras on your head you fag. That list is nice and objective, don't bring your contrarian shit into it.

>>4093145
Don't think you know what what objective means 6thgen baby.

>>4084159
They werent the last great gen. Just the last retro gen. Id argue that PS3 was still an amazing console for its time, offering free online play and a wide library of new and old games.

Quit seeing life through rose tinted glasses.

>>4093146
No I do. You clearly don't, though, because your vocabulary seems made up entirely of buzzwords.

Stay mad.

>>4093152
The irony coming from someone that just said I should take off my stack of fedoras. Well that's a 6thgen baby for you.

>>4093157

>>4093161
Man argument won.

>>4093162
What argument?

>>4093167
That's a good question.

>>4091391
Imagine having such low standards that you find modern games acceptable.

Holy shit.

>>4092964
Now you're just trying too hard

>>4084159
You mean 9/11 is the reason gen six was so good? Thank you, terrorists! :^)

>>4093124
read the thread buddy

Everybody in this thread is pussyfooting and backtracking, but I will say it with complete conviction and certainty:

Every video game made in the last two generations was below the average quality of games from generations 1-6, or, in other words, they were bad.

>>4084159
N64 was the first system I had where I felt the games were too easy or unfinished (besides Zelda and Mario).

>>4093638
I can find PS2 games that are superior to almost every modern game in every way besides resolution. Even then the HD remakes are worse sometimes.

>>4084159
in 96 Quake came out and "generations" became irrelevant because gaming as an adult became about pc only

>there are people who will remember the PS4 with the same nostalgia we do with the PS1

how does that makes you feel? just a theoretical question.

>>4093638
>>4094686
i really don't understand how you can look at all these unfinished, broken games coming out while Microsoft and Sony scheme to fuck you into buying a new console every 2 years and say, "modern gaming is so great. i'm so much better than the people I disagree with about this."

>>4094712
kids are already nostalgic over the beta version of minecraft

>>4084159
Bullshit, the 6th gen was great on all sides. The dreamcast, xbox, PS2 and gamecube all had great games compared to their predecessors.

>>4093638
You can say it but I disagree completely.

N64 memories

>>4093585
Point to where you think the btfoing occurred so I can laugh.

>>4094782
this

6th gen was excellent,OP is either out of his rockers or just looking to b8

>>4094712
>there are people who remember the PS1 with the same nostalgia we do with the NES

how does that makes you feel? just a theoretical question.

>>4096090
>there are people who remember the NES with the same nostalgia we do with telepong

It feels p. litty my son

>time passes
holy fucking shit

>>4088000
Ps2 had amazing games though.

>ratchet & clank series
>Starwars Battlefront
>Sly Cooper
>Crash Bandicoot
>Ape escape 3
>Jak & Daxter
>Timesplitters
>Starwars Battlefront
>Metal Arms
>Fatal Frame
>Katamari
>Bully
>Ico
>Silent Hill
>Beyond Good & Evil
>Psychonauts
>Alien Hominid
>War of the Monsters

The list goes on

Also the backwards compatibility adds tons of other great titles from the first playstation and is something none of the others had aside from gamecube playing some handheld titles.

>>4096360

I have two major problems with the 6th gen:

-no rareware
-not enough multiplayer games (like, 4 player games). Yes, there was melee and mario kart DD, but that was pretty much it.

>>4094712

I don't think they will. My brother grew up with the xbox 360 and he has no nostalgia whatsoever about it. PS4 is even worse. Games became so generic and souless that people don't even care, just like blockbuster summer movies.

>>4096365
Not on that list but Xmen Legends had some awesome 4 player action.

>>4084284
>Death of SEGA

Sega was a bad company. Plain and simple. they sucked at running a business and making hardware and had since the Genesis days. It is solely their fault for going defunct.

>Multimedia

PSX/SAT playing CD's was a big selling point for teenagers, Saturn even played those shitty CDR movies, and PSX had such good audio people still buy it just for that. you'd know if you were there.

>Nothing much of note
The first 3 years of PS2 alone are full of insanely good and revolutionary games, not to mention some Gamecube stuff and excellent OG Xbox exclusives.

>beginning of online

It hit the mainstream then but existed prior. There's nothing inherently wrong with online play, but Xbox established some really shitty standards. Here's the thing though: You literally don't have to pay any mind to it. You can enjoy 99% of 6th gen without playing a single online game

>>4096365
Monster Hunter

>>4096365
Ever wonder why Melee and Mario Kart are the only things you are capable of naming? That might be the issue.

Where did this game touch you on the doll? Seriously, you people are fucking retarded.

>>4094730
I'm nostalgic for minecraft 1.6.6 beta. the last version before it got filled with pointless adventure shit.

>>4096073

>>4096090
I never liked NES as much as I did Sega Master System and TurboGrafx-16. SMS and TG16/PCE games hold up today much better than many NES games. I am still impressed with how Streets of Rage looks on SMS.

>>4096365
That shows how entry level you are, Anon. PS2 had a ton of awesome splitscreen/shared screen multiplayer games. Not to say these games are exclusive so they count towards the consoles they were released on but here is a list of notable PS2 multi-tap games.
•007 games
•TimeSplitters series
•Urban Reign
•Champions of Norrath
•WinBack series
•Quake III Revolution (it ran beautifully compared to Unreal Tournament and Rune Viking Warlord which would have made them awesome console ports otherwise)
•Ratchet & Clank games
•Cel Damage
•Gauntlet series
•NFL Street 2 (yes, specifically this realease)
•Looney Tunes Space Race
•Crash Nitro Kart
•Def Jam series
•Medal of Honor series
of course there are a TON more awesome games and no point listing all of them.

Ironically, the Xbox had 4 player ports off the bat but very few exclusive games come to mind that actually had split-screen or screen sharing multiplayer. I can vaguely remember a brawler about ninjas, Unreal Championship 2 and a couple of other games escape me right now. On the other hand, also excluding multi-plat games for the GameCube, many of the first party games included 4 player modes which is more than I can think of compared to Xbox.

>>4088194
My og xbox had halo 2 map pack dlc on it, dlc was a thing.

>>4097775
And dlc as dlc has existed in pc games since the 90's. Don't pay any mind to the kiddie whiners around here.

>>4097593
SMS has one of the worst libraries of any video game console.

>>4097887
>B-b-b-b-b-b-but PC!
We're talking about consoles here, son.

>>4097925
You can talk only consoles if you want to, but that's not my problem and only makes you come off as more of a child.

>>4097919
Bitch please

>>4097919
Lol, no.

I have no love for the current state of things. PS2 and the N64 was the last bastion of good gaming. Then the next gen happened and everything went to shit. Companies closed up, people did a gold rush on mobile, it was all a mess. Now the japanese gaming industry got devoured by mobile, the west, too. And with nothing but casuals being targeted with microtransaction scams, the entire industry crashed in one year. Yes, crashed cause just because the big companies found a new revenue path doesnt mean nothing was lost. All the games and companies of that time shut down. A crash had happened post 2006, but it was quiet as fuck.

>>4096360
bruh you hit the nail on the head

>>4099956
>Then the next gen happened and everything went to shit.

Ahh childhood nostalgia and grown up pessimism.

>>4099951
That game is a solid 6/10 being generous.
If you're gonna talk SMS at least post quality stuff like WBIII.

>>4100104
its called having standards, retard. I would gladly play games today if they were actually as good if not better than those of the last gen

>>4088000
I wouldn't call either garbage but the amount of exclusives really look pale compared to PS2

>>4084159
I believe that 6th was the last great gen. The last gen where there was really optimism about the future of games. Now, it just feels like sterile incremental progression instead of innovation. 7th gen in retrospect was awful, but I think 8th gen is going a little bit in the right direction.

>hating on game generations
There were tons of cult classics released last gen, there were just so many generic games that you didn't pay attention to the good ones. The Wii in particular is underrated as fuck.

>>4100119
lol

>>4084178
4 > 6 > 5
The early 3D era was dire.

>Haha wow us gamers and the last great generation am I right?
>There's absolutely nothing worth playing nowadays and I feel the need to seek /vr/'s approval!

Pretty sure starting a flamewar / consolewar is also against the rules, but this awful thread's been up for a week so the mods clearly just don't give a shit.

>>4084238
>you kids
Cool it, gramps. Taking 5 games as if you're covering the entire library is an asinine argument. He's right.

>>4101290
What does the entire library matter?

>>4086447
Bitter oldfags and juvenoia

>>4085759
>It had multiple genre and generation defining games along with a handful of good games.
like what

>>4101304
You should have a base level of competence about the topic before posting.

>>4101292
>>4101292
Because you're cherry picking by only picking 5 fucking games. Do you really need that explained?

>>4101314
Yes I do. Please explain how simply picking out the 5 top selling games is something you have a problem with? Do you hate popular games?

>>4101316
Again, the 5 most popular games do not represent the console. The entire library represents the console. This isn't even up for debate.

>>4101331
The overwhelmingly majority of people do not care, do not play, and do not consider the entire library of a console. Enthusiasts don't care either. It's basically an absolute that the only people who care about the entire library are shelf collectors.

The games that matter are the ones that people played, the ones that people enjoyed, and the ones that were talked about.

>Again, the 5 most popular games do not represent the console.
That actually do in fact represent the console.

>>4086408
>millennial shitposter: the vidya list

>>4088050
>>4088181
No, 1993 was the year the Internet went to shit.

>>4101387
Nice /v/speak.

>>4101413
Nice millennial video game list

>>4101418
W/e helps your history revision.

>>4101249
2, 3 and 4 are the only good ones.

>>4101265
These are people who are still obsessed with the SNES/Genesis "console war" of course nothing they say is sensible. Just get your popcorn and laugh. Watching them cry about how much DLC upsets them never gets old.

5th gen > 3rd gen > 4th gen > 6th gen > 7th gen > 8th gen = 1st + 2nd

PS1 and N64 were the kings of 5th gen, the best generation. NES defined the 3rd gen, and Genesis carried on the 4th gen with SNES. The 6th gen was still good because it brought online gaming and did enhance 3D visuals. 7th and 8th gen are a fucking joke, as are 1st and 2nd.

>>4102409
>2nd gen
>joke

>4th gen not best

Get a load of this late comer millennial.

>>4102409
If you asked me what the console ever made was, it was the Dreamcast. It had a brilliant launch. It was set aside by the mainstream when Sony announced the PS2, but the Dreamcast had already laid the foundation for PS2.

Dreamcast is the greatest console ever, because it had solid hardware and great games, not because of marketing and viral bullshit.

>>4102413
5th gen still satisfied the 2D RPG/Platformer yet wrought the 3D world with large contenders such as OoT that still to this day define what the hell a video game even is.

5th gen > all by a fucking landslide

>>4102429
>satisfied the 2D RPG/Platformer
I wasn't really satisfied with 5th gen's 2D platformers. Sure, there are some nice ones, some okay ones, but it doesn't even comes close to the greatness that was 4th gen.

>>4102434
You never played Lunar? Or FF Tactics?

>>4102441
I said Platformer, not RPG.
In terms of RPG, it's a mixed bag. 5th gen has good RPGs, but the drawback is the excessive FMVs and loading times for random encounters/attack animations. So I might actually prefer 4th gen RPGs.
>Lunar
Sega CD game, 4th gen.

>>4102413
Yeah I came late, when I clearly just said I grew up with 3rd and 4th gen. If 1st gen was Pong and 2nd gen didn't have save states, I am not wrong in saying what I said.

>>4102445
How is CD 4th gen? It was what defined 5th gen, bar 3D GFX, it was the capacity that made games into entertainment and supplemented the lore even further.

>>4102451
If anything Sega CD was gen 4.5

>>4101301
They're not even mostly the older ones. Me and Babbages are two of the older most regular posters around here, he likes a lot of modern games and I'm evangelical about them just getting better and better all the time.

The hard core haters mostly seem to bein their 20's and 30's.

>>4102451
PC Engine CD was released in Japan in 1988, and in USA in 1989.
>it was the capacity that made games into entertainment and supplemented the lore even further.
what?

>>4102461
Yeah, and let's fast forward through all the Panasonic and shit and say we didn't get a real compact disc console until the PlayStation. But it sure as shit prevailed.

>>4102468
Shit the first 3D game I played (fucking Xwing) came off floppy discs!

>>4102457
I can almost guarantee that I'm older than you and I think gaming started a sharp decline in the mid-90s, and really think /vr/ should be 1995 and before.

But this is not a popular opinion and I've been in some epic discussions with people flinging their shit at me with no actual arguments or opinions even though I give plenty of my own with a lot of high profile, "good" post-1995 games.

Rather not open that can of shit. There's still some good games in that generation. Just think that if you're going to choose a year/generation to split between actual retro and "modern" (as in not retro, not actual modern) games that 1995 is a good, solid choice.

>>4102468
>we didn't get a real compact disc console until the PlayStation
Right, Sega CD was an add-on, for the Mega Drive. a 4th gen system.
Lunar is a 4th gen game.

>>4102473
Dude, who the fuck cares. If you asked Sega in the early 90's if they thought people had even defined video game generations yet and if they called their system the next generation that people would buy it just because of that one reason? Who knows?

I played Sega CD man. I was there. It basically had FMV and that was neat, therefor I'm going to side with gen 4.5

Gen 4 was all about better stereo, better sprites, new things like mode 7 and parallax scrolling

Gen 5 was outright the onslaught of 3D

But compact disc had a lot to do with moving the generation forward too. Nintendo did without it, but most would agree the PlayStation was more successful (and it was, by the numbers). Sega CD was an early push in getting adopters to the 5th gen, but it wasn't an actual upgrade, because the games didn't change. If you were in denial you would have missed the point, which was the FMV's and massive content. Sega CD is definitely not gen 4.0

>>4102489
Okay, fine, "Gen 4.5". Whatever.
Still not 5th gen.

>>4102473
I'd actually argue that MegaDrive was gen4 hardware with gen3 games up until Sonic the Hedgehog.

Therefor when CD released, it was at least gen 4.5 by definition. 32X too

>>4102507
Early Mega Drive is gen 3.5, Sonic-era Mega Drive is gen 4.0, Sega CD-era is gen 4.5, Alien Soldier-era is Gen 68K heart on fire, 32X era is Gen 4.9

>>4102472
I see no clear major lines between retro and modern, just tons of tiny ones. Really I just see games as games and though things have changed i think they're mostly for the best and things keep getting better.

I think we do agree that the base disagreement has been talked to death though and our sides never seem to see eye to eye at all.

Staying on topic, I agree with OP.

The reason5th gen is so widely regarded is that although it had the first 3D games, gamers twenty years later still call these games the best games ever made.

Do you remember your first time shooting the guard in the bathroom from the air duct at the airbase in Goldeneye?

Do you remember the first time you saw the WEAPONS awakening while Cloud's brain was melting?

Do you remember the first time you shot a Big Poe from the back of Epona with your trusty fairy bow?

Don't you remember tuning your mothers Subaru in Gran Turismo 2 and racing your friend's Honda?

Don't you remember getting a CODEC call from Octagon about wierd shit like Mecha?

Yeah man. 5th gen is so lame

>>4102530
>The reason5th gen is so widely regarded is that although it had the first 3D games, gamers twenty years later still call these games the best games ever made.

I feel like this mostly applies to people who solely or mainly only played consoles. Having been into both console and computer games since early on, I found much of 5th gen pretty underwhelming. It has some truly amazing games, as every generation does. But I see it as more of console's first outing into 3D with many mixed results.

Personally I think 6th and 7th were both much better overall.

>>4102530
>Don't you remember getting a CODEC call from Octagon
Kek

>>4102489
>I played Sega CD man. I was there. It basically had FMV and that was neat, therefor I'm going to side with gen 4.5

That makes no sense.

6th gen gave us the best of almost every series though
Best mgs
Best gtas
Best gran turismo
Best Zelda
Best pokemon
Etc

>>4084159
We were much easier to impress then too tho
>seeing all the cool 5th gen games
HOLY FUCK THIS SHIT IS AWESOME!!
>seeing current gen games
meh

>>4088000
>Dreamcast was the overall best of the bunch for library
It still makes me sad that the dreamcast didn't do better, and ultimately ended segas console run.

Also, I liked the controller. I have big hands (even as a kid) and it just felt comfortable to me.

>>4104642
>Best mgs

Do you mean 2 or 3? Just curious, I think 3 is the best in the series by a bunch but I know 2 has some serious fans.

>>4084159

I don't remember much about 9/11. I remember people talking about it on the news and radio, but that's about it.

>>4105369
It was a crazy time, even up in Canada. That morning and the morning after Trump won stand out as two of the most surreal mornings of my life. People clustered around in tiny groups all looking horrified and confused.

>MGS2
>GTA SA
>GT4
>ALttP
>Emerald

>>4105595

>>4105604
The weakest of all weak trolls

>>4105653
>summerfag doesn't have any OC and has to use google images
lel

>>4105673
> whohasn't seen that posted before

:)

>>4084159
I hate post-9/11 fiction to such an immeasurable degree.

>>4084284
>not a single mention of actual games though

>>4085981
Clarify why

>>4106785
You could say death of arcade style games and rise of cinematic experiences but that was happening since 5th gen.

>>4086478
>this is Retro
>but PS2 cannot be

It's just such an odd inclusion/exclusion system on /vr/ if you ask me, but thats how it is i guess

>>4092094
>people who grew up during the 6th gen era are probably the most obnoxious bunch.
>even though those smae people likely grew up with gen 5 and at least 4
>but it's not the ones autistically putting a cap on 1999 who are obnoxious

You will all be gone before us anyway.

>>4102425
>and great games

It had a lot of PS1 ports, sonic tier shit it's biggest problem was it had nothing that could not just be ported to other consoles once PS2 was out. Im not hating on the good stuff that dreamcast DID have, but i am starting to get fed up with this idea that the worse a console did, the better it must have been for us all. Sorry, im just not that interested in bass fishing and crazy taxi.

The dreamcast had TWO YEARS to find its feet and failed, and all i see is apologists who simply blame PS2 for being a coffee maker/microwave/movie player and destroying it.

Gaming died with DRM, paid DLC / microtransactions, and free-to-play.

And for the fucking pedants in this thread:

DLC = digital-only content with DRM (cannot be lent, gifted after using, or resold)

>>4106861
>Gaming died for me with DRM, paid DLC / microtransactions, and free-to-play.

Fixed that for you buddy. Gaming hasn't died at all for most people, it's thriving.

>>4106936
Sure, there are plenty of impulsive, easily impressed consumerist dipshits out there to keep the industry fat and happy. Just ask Disney how its annual Marvel and Star Wars sequels are doing.

>>4106941
It's always been that way. I just think it's funny the way you talk about gaming. But at least you didn't try pulling the "you millennial!" card again, so gold star for that!

>>4106964
Nah, 15+ years ago there was a thriving market for second-hand games, either through resale or rental; the game belonged to you and you were free to do whatever you wished with it. Also, every game began and ended with the cartridge or disk in your hands (unless there was an expansion pack, in which case you were also free to resell it at any time).

With DRM and DLC, platform vendors are intent on marginalizing that market into irrelevance. They want to dictate the consumer relationship entirely on their terms. Valvedrones have long been convinced that it's OK to give up any ownership rights they would have had in exchange for free virtual hats and half-off discounts on year-old games (likely with DLC not included).

>>4107014
I honestly wouldn't mind having a gaming equivalent to Netflix, with an all-you-can-eat selection of games for a flat monthly subscription, complemented by the choice to buy and own a physical copy (a-la Blu-ray) with all the bonus and BTS content for enthusiasts.

Instead, DLC is the gaming equivalent of the theater-to-video release window for movies, in which you pay a premium for initial access, before it eventually ends up on a "Complete Edition" disc a year or two later. I'm not spending $500 on a console to wait until I can buy the full game on a disc.

>>4107014
I don't and never have cared about reselling my games, just playing them.

>>4107026
microsoft is already offering that with their xbox game pass

>>4107410
Do all the games on the service include all their past and possible future DLC? If not, am I guaranteed that there exists a physical copy of each game for me to purchase that includes all the DLC? Are these brand-new releases or somewhat old games whose initial sales peaked a while ago?

Bottom line: If there's any content whose only method of access is by digital purchase, then I want nothing to do with it. Digital goods are a fucking scam.

>>4107491
I am so glad I'm not you. I love the convenience of buying digital. At this point I only buy physical when it's the only option there is.

>>4107491
its only old games as far as can tell, not sure about the dlc

>>4088286
wipeout hd

>>4107491
>Digital goods are a fucking scam
>Only plays analog electromechanical games

>>4084159
Except it wasn't the first time the twin towers were attacked. First attack was in 1993 ladman.

>>4088286
Literally a fucking PS3 launch title was 1920x1080 60 fps you fucking newfag. Don't ask me to spoon feed you what game. Go ask Digital Foundry if you're too stupid to figure it out.

>>4108403
>Except irrelevant slowpoke fedoraism.
Damn summer you sure picked the right pic related for a faggot who thinks he's clever.

>>4085702

>3rd gen:
I'm too young to have played these games as they were coming out, so I only experienced them in retrospect. Generally, these games are too simple for my tastes; there's not much here that interests me, as a proportion of the total library. There are some gems though, like SMB3 and the Mega Man titles.

>4th gen:
Solid all around. Lots of enduring classics that people can still pick up and enjoy today.

>5th gen: 10.0
My favorite generation. Pretty much every major title that came out was a winner. Combined the no-nonsense just-play-the-damn-game philosophy of older titles with the new, smoother experiences that were made possible by 3D graphics. Games like Majora's Mask and Final Fantasy IX showed that designers could craft artistically creative experiences without veering into the pretentious avant-garde territory that indie games are now famous for. What was good lined up almost perfectly with what sold the most copies. It seemed like a paradise that would last forever.

>6th gen:
Some really fantastic and creative games at the start of this generation, especially on the Dreamcast and early PS2. Games like SSB Melee and Final Fantasy X seemed to be making good on the promise of the new consoles to just keep making everything bigger and better, forever. Things started to go wrong in the middle of this generation though, sometime around 2003 or 2004. Nintendo in particular seemed to have something of a mental breakdown. They started pushing gimmicks like GBA-GC connectivity and the GBA e-Reader. The "Mario" name started to become more synonymous with shovelware rather than quality, thanks to a flood of shitty sports titles and increasingly poor Mario Party games. Something was amiss, but there was still hope that things would sort themselves out.

(cont)

>>4108975
(cont)
I forgot to put scores in the last post but whatever, numerical scores are stupid anyway.

>7th gen:
The cancer begins. The market becomes increasingly dominated by shooters and "cinematic" experiences like TLOU. Certain old genres, like the platformer, all but die out. I started playing significantly fewer games here, partially because I got busy with other things, partially because there were fewer that were worth playing.

>8th/9th gen:
The cancer metastasizes. Gaming has been all but completely transformed into a mainstream hobby alongside movies and TVs, and with that comes the attendant drop in quality to cater to the new flood of casual players. What sells that best has become an increasingly good guide as to what not to play. There are a few blips of light though. Splatoon was good, and I'm excited for Splatoon 2. Persona 5 is good.

I've mainly relinquished the idea that I should be a "gamer" and try to stay on top of all the most popular new releases. Why would I play games that I know suck? Now when I want to play something, I just freely select from the man eras and platforms that now comprise video game history. This seems to be the natural evolution of any artistic medium. You won't find true film buffs in line for the latest Marvel movie, people interested in good literature don't take their recommendations for the New York Times' best seller list, etc.

>>4104642
>6th gen gave us the best Zelda
C'mon man, you can be serious...

>>4108983
>9th gen
wtf is this?

>>4109014
I was just following the other guy's format. I guess the Switch is the only thing "9th gen" right now.

>>4108975
>everything I liked when I was 13 is the best ever and forever!

>>4109454
And how old were you when your favorite games were released?

>>4108451
It was upscladedl, young one.

>>4109501
Honestly tough to say because I have favorite games from just about every year since I was 9 or so, which is partly why I think you're so odd.

>>4109509
No it wasn't, it's actual 1920x1080 framebuffer.

>>4109521
Still wrong, champ.

>>4109524
I just looked it up on Digital Foundry and yep, they said not a lot of games fill the promise of real 1080p like Sony claimed, except this game. Nice try shit face. 1920x1080 framebuffer and 60 fps confirmed.

>>4109529
Nice back peddle kiddo.

>>4088181
There were many other internet-enabled devices before the iPhone.

Hell, PSP had a web browser and that released two years prior.

>>4109516
My descriptions of 5th gen onwards were unintentionally a bit heavy handed. Plenty of my favorite games come from post-2004. Team Fortress 2, Persona 4, Devil Survivor, Danganronpa. Those are all as good or better as my favorite games from 5th gen. I think the industry as a whole has gone downhill in important ways though, which is what I wanted to capture in my post.

>>4109591
Not a particularly great list there. Different anon.

>>4109598
Well, "post-2004" covers an obscene amount of games. Unsurprising the the favorites I picked out are different from the ones that another random individual would pick out.

What would your list look like?

>>4109591
I know what you were trying to capture, we just have a fundamental disagreement. 5th gen had some amazing games, as they all have. But from my perspective it was one of the weaker ones in many ways.

>>4109602
I mean games like TF2 are trash.

>>4109617
Ok, cool opinion bro.

>>4109627
Not opinion it's basically accepted fact. That game went to shit very fast. And you add that nearly everyone saying it's good came to the game years after the release. Only less than 5% of accounts aren't ftp.

>>4109631
So you declare that a wildly popular and long loved game is trash because it wasn't perfected on release day? That's your criteria?

>>4109748
You can't read and you like slav garbage like tribes too. What a surprise.

>>4109775
>slav garbage like tribes

hot opinion

>>4109992
A truthful hot opinion.

>>4109775
>tribes
>garbage

>>4110023
I never said it was garbage.

>>4110027
>you like slav garbage like tribes

Didn't you?

>>4110036
No. I said slav garbage. That's on a different tier than just your standard garbage.

>>4110040
garbage is still garbage

>>4110042
I wish it was. But when you get enlightened to the world of slavs and south Americans you know otherwise.

>>4110043
There's plenty of good slav games though, and South America is best not talked about in polite company

>>4110069
>There's plenty of good slav games though