/vr/ - Retro Games

No.

Resident Evil 2, in some respects.

Other than that, not really.

>>407331
>in some respects

Which?

the N64 version had grubbier sound and FMV. Yeah, maybe it ran at a higher resolution, but with half the texture size

Did MM64 add anything to Legends?

>>407375
So much for that.

>>407370
Worse controls for a game that already had pretty bad controls?

>>407357

Didn't it have extra content, like an item randomizer?

>>407370
You could save without a memory card. I remember renting MM64 and one of the files had fucking everything unlocked, including that badass laser.

RE2 for N64 had smoother models but less detailed textures. Plus the fire effects and FMVs looked like utter shit. But it supposedly has better audio quality.

MK trilogy lol

Vigilante 8 had an extra level. I think the PS1 version had animated cutscenes that the N64 version lacked, though.

Not sure if that'd be superior or not.

>Was there ever a superior N64 port?

No, just superior games.

>>407497

It's sad that the people who only had an N64 as a kid actually believe this.

>>407514

But I had both. It's sad that people with only a playstation actually thought most of their games were high quality.

Not a port but please find me a game with better graphics Playstation or 64.

>>407546
If it's not a port then why the fuck are you posting it in here?

This is the only one I can think of.

>>407530

I shop for retro games 2 or 3 times a week. I buy a variety of games that interest me on a variety of consoles. For the most part, if I'm interested in a game, or I know I'll like it, I'll buy it. I've built a sizable collection of some of the best games for all the consoles I own. I own like 6 N64 games.

>>407530
>most
No one ever said that. But there were definitely more high quality games than the N64.

>>407578
Step up your game. There's more.

>>407583

> But there were definitely more high quality games than the N64.

Not really. Not even close.

>>407594

Like what? There are no 2D platformers, no fighters, no shmups. Every game is a barren polygonal wasteland with horrible textures and sound. Which is perfect, considering how comfortable the controller is and how great the analog stick works.

everyone knows developers make multi-plats with the weaker system in mind (playstation) so they make the playstation version but uh-oh the n64 cartridge can't hold as much as a cd could so they usually cut content particularly cutscenes and occasionally put in some minor extra content if space is available from cutting other content.

N64 port has better graphics, PS port has better sound in my opinion

>>407610
Only a deluded nintenyearold could really believe this.

There are maybe 20 high quality games for the N64.

>>407643
I would agree except that stretched textures are generally much more immediately noticeable than lower poly count or longer draw distances

>>407610
Name some of the high quality games not made by Rare or Nintendo.

i am missing alot of good n64 games but this should remind people of a few gems people always forget about.

>>407715
aww, did mommy make your bed?

Even when it came time to download roms for N64, when I could download any game that looked even remotely interesting, I downloaded like a dozen of them.

>>407687

So about as many as the playstation? Sounds about right.

>>407690

>Name some games
>b-b-but wait you can't name anything by these people because their games don't count. I-I-I said so!

Screw you, that's just retarded.

>>407723
This type of shit is why N64/PS1 wasn't originally allowed here.

>>407741
hey, shut up.

NBA Live 99
Not trolling

>>407741
It was always allowed

>>407734
>he can't name any
Retarded, indeed.

Pros for N64

.Pick up and play quality
.Zero loading times
.Better Graphics
.Cool Cartridge artwork

Cons

.Limited sound
.No FMV cutscenes


Pros for PS1
.CD quality music
.FMV Cutscenes
.Cool CD artwork
.More Content

Cons
.Rougher graphics
.Loading Times


It's a draw

>>407690

>Realizes some of the best games of the generation were made as 64 exclusives
>Puts unreasonable restrictions on a contest Sony could never win
>Buttmad because all of his friends had 64 and he didnt

>>407790

Alright then, Name some good ps1 games, oh by the way you're not allowed to name any good games.

>>407791

>CD quality music

lol.

>>407791
>Cool CD artwork
That's not always the case. Many PS1 games and disc games in general just have the damn logo on the CD.

Not like the N64 version with its cropped version of the coverart for most games is any better, but still.

>>407801

I knew one kid that had an N64. We eventually got bored of going to his house because he only ever had the same games that we would play over and over. The rest of my friends had Playstations, and we got new games all the time.

>>407816
So it's the system's fault that the poor kid didn't get new games all the time?

>>407828

No, that kid had like a 50" TV in the late 90's. They were far from poor. It's just that once he got Smash Bros and Zelda, what else was there to get?

>>407832

>It's just that once he got Smash Bros and Zelda, what else was there to get?

Are you really this much of a Sony cocksucker? Please be trolling.

>>407801
PS1 will win if you restrict Square, which was basically PS1's Rare. Try again, nintenyearold.

>>407832
Mario Party, Paper Mario, Rampage, the N64 version of Gauntlet was undeniably superior, Vigilante 8, any of the games Rare made Conker's Bad Furday had the best multiplayer of the generation.

>>407734
Just as I thought, you're a deluded nintenyearold. Plenty of quality PS1 games, here's a very picky list.

Alundra
Ape Escape
Brave Fencer Musashi
Breath of Fire III/IV
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
Chrono Cross
Crash Bandicoot 1/2/3
Digimon World 1/2/3
Dino Crisis 1/2
Dragon Warrior VII
Einhander
Final Fantasy VII/VIII/IX/Tactics
Front Mission 3
Future Cop LAPD
Gran Turismo 1/2
Incredible Crisis
Intelligent Qube
Klonoa
Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver
Legend of Dragoon
Legend of Legaia
Legend of Mana
Lunar 1/2
MDK
Medievil 1/2
Mega Man Legends 1/2/Misadventures of Tron Bonne
Mega Man X3/X4/X5
Metal Gear Solid
Oddworld Abe's Oddysee/Exoddus
Omega Boost
Parappa the Rapper/Um Jammer Lammy
Parasite Eve 1/2
Policenauts
Rayman
Resident Evil
Saga Frontier 1/2
Silent Hill
Spiderman
Spyro 1/2/3
Strider 2
Suikoden 1/2
Team Buddies
Tenchu 1/2
Tomb Raider 1/2/3
Tomba! 1/2
Twisted Metal 1/2
Vagrant Story
Valkyrie Profile
Wild Arms 1/2
Xenogears

Unfortunately the N64 doesn't have as many first-party games as that, so they really don't have an equivalent list of worthwhile games.

>>407617

Mischief Makers, Kirby 64, and Yoshi's Story come to mind when it comes to 2D platformers on the N64.

Fighters...well, there was Super Smash Bros. and Killer Instinct Gold. I'm really hard pressed to find any others though.

Shmups are also lacking, but I do hear people praise Sin and Punishment.

>>407860
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand /debate.

I really like Paper Mario.

And um...

N64 didn't have Gran Turismo or Metal Gear Solid.

So... not much of an argument.

>>407860

A large portion of those games are bad though, only they seem much nicer in hindsight thanks to all the shovelware that the PS1 had. Nice to know that you're copping out with insults like Nintenyearold. Ironic.

>>407879

>A large portion of those games are bad though, only they seem much nicer in hindsight thanks to all the shovelware that the PS1 had.

The mental gymnastics you must have done for that to make sense in your head... dear lord.

>>407863
Mischief Makers is the only good game on the N64. Almost the entire N64 library is unplayable due to terrible framerates.

Not that PS1 was much better.

>>407879
Please point out which games are bad and while you're at it, make a list of worthwhile N64 games.

>copping out
You have no idea what that phrase even means.

So the sonyggers have come to /vr/? Great..

>>407889

Sorry about your nostalgia, pal.

The Playstation has more good RPG's than the N64 has good games in total.

>>407898

That's not true, since JRPGs are all objectively shit.

>>407907
>doesn't enjoy an entire genre
This is a pretty clear mark of a casual.

It feels awkward that no one has mentioned how Goldeneye defined a generation of gaming on its own. Weeaboos will angrily defend their system until the end, but it is undeniable that the 64 won out as the most influential system of the era.

>>407913
>Goldeneye defined a generation of gaming on its own
The sad thing is that people actually believe this.

>>407913
Goldeneye only defined failure. Quake was released first and Quake is still great today. Everybody praising Goldeneye was too poor to have a PC that could run Quake, or too casual to play a game that required skill.

Doom 64 was much better than Doom PS1 and the only port worth checking out beyond the PC version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl29_hYqxq0

>>407934

Goldeneye. Neither of the other two had damage based on where you shot.

>>407913

>this is what Nintenyearolds actually believe

Here are some FPS games from that era. Which do you think was more influential?

>007 Goldeneye
>Quake
>Unreal

>>407923

>casual
>for not enjoying the easiest genre in video games

hahahahahahahaha

>>407892
Framerates really aren't that much of an issue in Kirby 64 or Yoshi's Story either.

Come to think of it, the ONLY time I've ever had framerate issues on an N64 are with Jet Force Gemini, Perfect Dark, and playing Hybrid Heaven on the highest quality setting.

>>407945
Didn't it require an addon of some sort?

>>407941
>thinking 20fps or 30fps isn't shit

>>407943
Or they were too busy sourrounding the TV with friends during sleepovers, playing Goldeneye
At least, that was my experience.

>>407962

>what is online play
>what are LAN parties

>>407962
surrounding

>>407935
>easiest genre in video games
But JRPG =/= Rare babby collectathons

>>407934
>>First widely successful CONSOLE fps
>Brings up PC games to defend the PlayStation

>>407971
Sorry but I never once heard any kids at school talking about what a sweet "LAN party" they were at
Again, the experience of a bunch of kids surrounding one TV is nothing like a a LAN or online play
Not to knock them, they are all great, but it just isn't the same as being a kid and having a sleepover with four or five friends, everyone passing their controllers around and playing until the sun comes up.

A couple weeks ago I thought it would be fun to hook my N64 up again. I looked through all my games, then put it back away.

>>407962
>anecdotal evidence is valid evidence
I had two friends with N64s, and only one of them played Goldeneye. Any time we played N64, we played Super Smash Bros or OoT.

Goldeneye was fucking awful if you had ever played a PC FPS in your life.

>>407994

We did that, just with Twisted Metal and Jet Moto.

>>407998
>Goldeneye was fucking awful if you had ever played a PC FPS in your life.
For most N64 players, it was their first FPS, which is sad.

The first time I played Goldeneye, Doom was the only FPS I've ever played, and even then I could tell it was fucking horrible. It's laughable today.

>>407998
nope.

i remember playing quake 2, tfc, and goldeneye all around the same time

pc fpses and goldeneye were much different experiences. goldeneye split screen was incredible

>>408013
Indubitbly.

>>407998
Are we discussing playstatio and n64 or PC?

>>407946

Team Fortress did it before Goldeneye. Meanwhile Quake gave us the first 3D deathmatch style multiplayer FPS, which even inspired Goldeneye

>>407998
I'm just quoting my experience as a child
I can recall the fun we had as kids and we would gather at a friends almost every weekend to play Goldeneye and eveyr other N64 game he had. Some of us would even rent games and bring them over so we could all experience it.

N64 is a casual system for people who like playing a quick round of MK at parties and don't want load times. PS1 and Saturn are for people who really enjoy gaming.

>>408020
What the hell are you saying? Doom was "fucking horrible", or Goldeneye?

>>407998
>>408013

At this point we've officially moved away from 64 vs PS and are discussing PC vs console?
I feel like this is a distraction to get away from the fact that the 64 had more memorable games.

I once spent a week at my cousin's house during the summer. He had just gotten an N64, and we had a fucking blast with SM64 and Starfox 64. We barely slept, we just played those games non-stop.

I came back the year after, and he still only had those two games. I spent the rest of my time there wishing I could go home and play Crash 3.

>>407975

Nah, now you're just being delusional.

>>408045
The PS1 was the system for the lowest common denominator. It was advertised as the "cool" console to have. then the PS2 really took off as the casual console with muh DVD player!

>>408045

>N64 is for people with friends

>>408054

Goldeneye, sorry.

>>408032
As children we all had low standards. That's an inevitable part of being a child. It's understandable that you'd like Goldeneye back then.

Quake did not depend on childish standards. Quake was great then and is great now, as proven by still supporting high level competitive play. Quake has far more depth than casual players can ever understand.

>>408021

>pc fpses and goldeneye were much different experiences

As in PC FPS was a good experience and Goldeneye was a bad one

>goldeneye split screen was incredible

Yeah, I remember that shit. "STOP LOOKING AT MY FUCKING SCREEN, DICK. HEY MOTHERFUCKER YOU CAN'T PLAY AS ODDJOB, HE'S SLIGHTLY SMALLER THAN THE REST OF THE PLAYER MODELS SO IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO AIM AT YOU WITH THESE CLUNKY CONTROLS"

Goldeneye isn't even that great of a James Bond game, Nightfire is the best followed by Agent Under Fire. It's not even the best James Bond game on the N64, The World Is Not Enough had a much more thought out singleplayer with more interesting weapons and much better AI

Goldeneye is just the most iconic because it was advertised the most and it was most peoples' first FPS because they didn't play PC games. FPS of course is the best genre, so even a bad one is great to people who never experienced it before

>>408069

>wasn't a child when Goldeneye came out
>arguing with people half his age about how things were back in his day

>>408069

>running around and right clicking
>depth

>>408061
You should be.

>>408082
Enjoy your 0:100000 ratio vs. anybody good.

>>408082
>Quake
>running around
>right clicking
Stick to Goldeneye, champ.

>>408082

>running

You don't run in Quake, you hop

One of the golden rules of console war threads is this:

"When cornered, Nintenyearolds will invariably arch their backs, hiss, and go 'Hurp u has no friends!'"

>>408078
>mfw we were all so good that oddjob was no advantage
>mfw no one cared about screen looking because we all did it
>mfw we were so smooth on the controllers that there was no issue with the game
>mfw bros still play this once in a while to this day
>mfw my favorite character

>>408069
Yes. Most people on this board were born between 84-90 I wager.
What do I care about "high level competitive play" or "depth"? I played games to have fun then and I still do that today.

>>407437
sounds like ass

not as many kombatants

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeEoyXW3YIw

>>408092

Nah, Quake is casual shit just like goldeneye. Sorry.

>>408082
If you're running, you're doing it wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztUBMSh3R3g

>>408078
that's a whole lot of stupid words

> TWINE better than goldeneye

0/10

>>408098

>dat projecting

This is how you know quake is shit. I didn't mention goldeneye yet you got so defensive.

>>407741
on that note, why does n64/ps1 bring out bad feelings? I don't see much of that in MD/SNES

>>408112
>Most people on this board were born between 84-90 I wager

Nah too high. Try 91-96

>>407819
some games had red book (cd) audio

most of them had ADPCM (which is not cd quality)

>>408123

That's because both of those are good consoles with good games.

The N64 is a bad console with no games, and yet some people still try to defend it.

>>408078
> Yeah, I remember that shit. "STOP LOOKING AT MY FUCKING SCREEN, DICK. HEY MOTHERFUCKER YOU CAN'T PLAY AS ODDJOB, HE'S SLIGHTLY SMALLER THAN THE REST OF THE PLAYER MODELS SO IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO AIM AT YOU WITH THESE CLUNKY CONTROLS"

that was part of the fun, you autist

>>408082

Try doing this shit in Goldeneye.

Single-player: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpiNDxssUL0

Multi-player: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cALELmIo8zk#t=1m30s

>>408045
The N64 was pretty much the system of choice in my household due to the fact that...well, four child family and we all loved to play vidya.

We also had a Playstation, but that was used mainly for single player games.

>>408142

Probably because it's actually objectively a better console than the PS1 and had some great games.

>>408124
That seems a little young for retro games..

>>408097

The standard tactic of Sony...asshats(?) lead th conversation away from the playstation as far as possible so we stop talking about it and just bash a beloved system

>>407879
>A large portion of those games are bad though,

No, no they're not.

>>408145

If the fun comes from being entertained by how badly designed something is, just gather round and play Superman 64

>>408142
They know the experience they had with the N64 and the games were memorable and enjoyable. What's so hard to understand that something you loathe someone else can love?

>>408170

Yeah, Yeah they are.

>>408159

I don't loathe it.

And "people enjoyed it as kids" is not an argument in the favor of a console. Kids will find the fun in anything, whether it's shit or not.

>>408146
why how old do you have to be to play retro games. i ask because i'm 20

>>407572

Oh god, dont remind of the ps1 version

>>408146
That's about the average age on 4chan, so...

>>407945

>>408156
It would have been objectively better if it used CD-ROM. As it is there wasn't enough storage to take advantage of it, so the more powerful hardware isn't objective evidence.

>>408175
I'm 25 myself. I imagined the average age on here would be 21+.

I was there, I know what went on, and it went like this:

>Electronics Boutique circa 1999
>giant shelves of PS1 games
>one skimpy little rack of N64 carts

/thread

>>408097
To be fair though, the Playstation did only have two ports for controllers. Yes, I know about the multitap. I didn't have one.

>>408196

This. It's the same way even today.

>go to retro games shop
>one little cabinet/drawer of N64 carts
>two giant shelves full of PS1 games

>>407945
>Doom 64
>worth checking out
Pick one.

>>408196
I was there, I know what went on, and it went like this:

>Electronics Boutique circa 1999
>giant shelves of PS1 shovelware
>one skimpy little rack of N64 masterpieces

/thread

>>408182
The majority of people (at least, I hope) who played the N64 around here were kids at the time.
I'm not interested in the jaded perspective of an adult looking back.
Doesn't it bother you, how cynical you've become as you've aged?

>>408136
>dat rocket juggling

If you think Goldeneye even deserves comparison to Quake there is something wrong with your brain.

>>408216

Nope. What's the point of this thread if we aren't going to look back with a critical eye?

>we had fun as kids
>yup so did we

Cool thread.

>>408218

You're right, it's no contest. Quake is King

>>408194
Oh I just figured most people on this board grew up with retro games so they would be a little older than most of the 4chan userbase. Not to say younger people can't enjoy them, I encourage it.

>>408180

Maybe on opposite day...

>>408228
/v/ has an average age of 16. Here...maybe 20-21 (which is quite old by 4chan standards)

>>408225

Look at all that shovelware: >>407860

Meant >>408228
for >>408184

>>408184
Dunno. I'm 23 and am partial to 8-bit era stuff. I don't like the 5th gen stuff from when I was a kid much and fail to see what's nostalgic about it.

>>408225
>pretending to be me

>>408250

Yeah, it's so damn pathetic. I almost feel bad for all those people who bought a playstation because it was the "cool system" with a cd player. Sony seems almost more pathetic than sega when it comes to marketing.

Honestly the N64 has nothing but Nintendo and Rareware games

>SM64
>Zelda
>DK64
>Conker
>B-K
>Indy and the Infernal Machine
And that's pretty much it

>>408182
As an adult, I still find a lot of enjoyment from playing games on my N64. I'm even trying out quite a few games I missed the first time around.

I'm also doing the same for the PS1, though for the most part it's trying out games I missed because the only games I played on the system were Metal Gear Solid and The Legend of Dragoon.

>>408234
To share stories and appreciate games we enjoyed growing up, to disocver hidden gems we never found as kids or breathe life into dead communities.
I'm not going to pick apart every flaw a particular game had and suck all of the soul and enjoyment I get out of playing them.

>>408271

Yeah, their marketing was pathetic. They only managed to sell 100 million playstations.

Grew up with both systems. Nintendo games made N64 the best to me, but the PS1 still had some hits although I'm not a fan of JRPGs so I didn't get as much use out of it as other people did

One thing I can't stand is people who grew up with PS1 and insist that Parappa the Rapper was a great game. The shit is like 30 minutes long and the gameplay is extremely simple. It's just a quirky, weird game that's cool to mention as a "remember this game?" kind of thing but don't ever say that shit is some classic gem of the PS1 library

>>408273

No. You're missing so many it isn't even funny.

>>408250

>he thinks that's shovelware

Look dude, your constant denial of the Playstation's superior library is getting pathetic.

>>408273
So what? People loved those games to death.

>>408182

>Vidya is not 4 kids u fuking casuals!!!!!
>>>>>/v/

>>408285

They were forced to. There wasn't anything else to play.

>own Playstation
>bored of my games
>buy new game

>own N64
>bored of my games
>too bad

N64 felt like the "party" system to me. Many of the popular games were multiplayer oriented and it was a blast. PS1 was the system for games you sat down alone and pumped hours upon hours into. They were both great fun, one just seemed geared for multiple players and the other not so much. It may have had something to do with the 4 vs 2 controller slots.

>>408280

Yeah thank god they had a CD player and then a DVD player to carry them through two generations. Just look at how great Sony is doing now, Their age old strategy of putting out a console mixed in with whatever is popular at the time really carried the ps3, didn't it? Just look at the PS4, Facebook integration and the ability to bitch out and let your friends beat your games for you, GENIUS!

Shovelware is never a good argument against a console because you don't buy those games. You see Mary Kate and Ashley Magical Mystery Mall on the shelf, snicker, and walk away. Nobody who owned a PS1 was forced at gunpoint to purchase that shit.

>>408294

Um Jammer Lammy was the superior game.

>>408296

That's the joke.

>>408313
Um Jammer Lammy was the retarded cousin of Pa Rappa
Awful, awful game

>>408196
Well...PS1 is the console for the casual audience.

>>408295
That's it unless you want to count racing and FPS games and who would play those anyway?

>>408309

Don't you see though, a console's quality is judged by how many games you have to ignore on the shelves, or something.

>>408316
Keep it retro if you're going to shitpost, atleast.

>>408317

>not counting god-tier kart racers
>skipping entire genres for no good reason
>skipping several good platformers
>etc.

>>408273
Nintendo's first party games usually are strong enough to justify buying their systems.

Also, there are plenty more games. Is it really that hard to look up a list?

>>408327
But see >>408045

>>408196

More games=better games?
This goes back to the fact that there are more iconic N64 games than PS1 games hands down

>We'll never be as popular so lets just flood the market with 2nd tier anime bullshit to compensate

>>408316

Why are we talking about the other Playstations now?

The Playstation played audio CD's because it already had a CD drive, so why the fuck not? The Sega CD can play audio CDs for fucks sake. It would have been more work to leave it out. No one ever trumped up the fact that it played audio CD's back in the day. Everyone already had CD players, so it wasn't a big deal. I never used that functionality.

>>408196
PS1 was the cheaper system to manufacture for, therefore you find more shitpile games to buffer shelves.

>>408338
Kart racers aren't good except when viewed through nostalgia goggles

>>408331
Most of those "iconic" N64 games run at 20fps. That's just fucking laughable.

>>408330
that's nice, but I responded to that awful post with this>>408058

Nintendo fanboys just believe whatever they have to believe in order to make their system the better one. It's just the way it has always been.

It started 3 generations ago, when everyone who moved from the SNES to the N64 suddenly had to pretend they never really cared about Mega Man, Final Fantasy, Castlevania and Street Fighter in the first place.

Then the Gamecube came along and it was all "pffft hahahaha you bought a PS2? Enjoy your INFERIOR HARDWARE. Only Nintendo could fit so much vidya in these tiny discs!"

then of course Nintendo released the Wii and only graphics whores cared about hardware.

>>408317

>unless you want to count racing games and who would play those anyway?

Mario Kart and Diddy Kong Racing were awesome

This thread is turning into /v/. Time to report.

>>408331

>More games=better games?

Yes, actually. A larger library is a more diverse library. The playstation's large install base meant developers could make weird niche games, whereas every N64 game had to be a platformer for kids. Not every game is going to be good, of course, but a certain percentage of all games are going to be worth playing.

>>408351

Bullshit. I didn't play Diddy Kong Racing until this year. Cop out more you little faggot, meanwhile I'll be enjoying good games while you spam the X button on your weeb machine.

Super Mario 64 alone outdoes every game on the PS1 combined

Even Gabe Newell calls it his favorite game

>>408357

>only graphics whores cared about hardware.

I'm not going to address the rest of your post because it's nothing but shitty, unsubstantiated generalizations. This part though, this is 100% true.

>>408372
>Super Mario 64
>outdoing any Spyro games

No.

>>408372
Mario 64 runs at 30fps. Sadly, that's actually fast by N64 standards.

>>408317
I suppose any system would have less games if you decide not to count certain genres.

And for the record, Mario Kart 64, Diddy Kong Racing, and F-Zero X are some of the best games on the system.

>>408372
SM64 was like the first game made for the system and it's only 8MB. Not even in the same county as Spyro

>>408385
F-Zero X is the only one of those that's even close to being good.

Go genre by genre, and name the best game in that genre from the 5th generation. Aside from 3D platformer and maybe FPS, what other genre would be taken by an N64 game?

>>408379
For fuck's sake. Framerates weren't exactly a nonissue on the Playstation.

>N64 vs PS1
*yawn* Babby's first platform war

Better...

>>408372
>babby platformer
>outdoing anything

Poor Nintendo. If only they'd used CDs, Sony would be a footnote in history.

>>408396

DKR is the best kart racer ever made though. You're wrong.

>>408385

CTR is the best kart racer of all time. F-Zero X is pretty good, but I would still probably choose any of the Wipeout games over it.

>>408383

Spyro the Fagon has nothing on Mario. They threw a demo in with one of my Crash Bandicoot games back in the day and it just felt like some disney ripoff shovelware

>>408354

>posting about graphics on a retro board

Still haven't gotten why this is a valid argument, aren't we all spending out time obsessing over decades old systems here?

>>408402
Admittedly most of the library was shit, but the PS1 did have plenty of 2D games at 60fps, and several 3D games at 60fps. It far outdoes the N64 which AFAIK has exactly 3 games that run at 60fps.

>>408396
I really disagree with that notion. They're all fairly great games, but I assume you're that jackwad that keeps going on about framerates.

>>408410

Framerate =/= graphics

PC games during this period > console games easily

what a strange game...

Anybody who claims framerates aren't important but uses a CRT immediately exposes himself as a drooling retard.

>>408426
True, but PC isn't part of the equation here.

>>408445
Sonygger pls go.

>>408426

No. Debating on the PS1 or N64 is reasonable. the PC was shit unless you only care about graphics.

>>408397

I'm not even sure I would give it the 3D Platformer genre. Sure, there are a lot of them, but are any of them better than Spyro?

>>408447
I've played Spyro for the first time a 3 years ago. It's okay, but you're putting it on a pedestal too much, dude. There are MUCH better platformers on both N64 and PS1

>>408445
I'm terribly sorry that you couldn't play Total Annihilation on a N64

How come Universal could put out three Spyro games but Nintendo only managed one 5th gen Mario game (consider that the NES had 3 of them)

>>408396
Have you ever played DKR? Great characters, great course design, great items. There's nothing wrong except the car mechanics.

>>408078
>FPS of course is the best genre
This is /vr/, right?

>>408471
Apparently Nintendo made a conscious decision after the NES to not do more than one game in their franchises per generation

>>408423
It would be great if you could specifically name any of the games that you had problems with. Again, the only games I've had problems with are the two Rare games I own and Hybrid Heaven on the highest quality setting.

>>408459
Also
Thief
Planescape: Torment
Baldur's Gate
Fallout
Homeworld
Freespace
Battle Zone
Jedi Knight
NOLF
Blood
Shadow Warrior
The list goes on...

>>408475
>nothing wrong except the car mechanics
>in a racing game

N64 fans confirmed for brain damage.

>>408459
Or Deer Avenger. Or Civilization.

>>408495
Doesn't matter because

>caring about kart games at all
costanza.jpg

>>408414

Another great Sony achievement
"Oh wow Diddy Kong Racing is really popular and interesting. Let's make a direct copy with our own characters"
Released 2 years later with no major changes or innovations

>>408487
The cars are too slippery, which is why I use hovers. I know people who prefer the cars to either other vehicle, so i guess i should have said "The only thing I find fault with is..."

>>408487

That guy is off his rocker anyway. The car mechanics were fine in DKR. It just wasn't casual shit like MK and CTR.

>>408439
>himself

Time to check your privilege

>>408476

If you played PC games in the 90s, it's hard to deny FPS wasn't the greatest genre ever made, ever

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHo4l-qmGHI

>>408485
The entire N64 library except:
Mischief Makers
F-Zero X
Bangai-O (which I haven't played and apparently the Dreamcast version is better anyway so it doesn't count)
Ogre Battle 64 (because it's turn based and therefore framerate doesn't matter)

>>408471

Quality vs Quantity

Space Station Silicon Valley

>>408513

>Quake guy still shitting up the thread
Lovely

>defending Goldeneye

You do know that it led to the COD/Gaylo cancer

>>408517
Except Nintendo had 3 Mario games on the NES and all of them were classics so that argument can't work.

>>408540

2 wasn't too spectacular, pretty fun. 1 was the same.

>>408505

Valid argument
>Directly comparable games on both systems
>Best not discuss this now

>>408540
actually four if you count both SMB2s

>>408540
do we also include the NES Mega Mans?

>>408515
You do realize that there are 387 games for the N64, right? Certainly not every single one of them are worth playing but it's a bit presumptuous to assume you've played them all.

Plus, there ARE other games where framerate is really not that big of a deal. Unless you think Harvest Moon 64 should run that fast.

>>408553
People insulting SMB1 are warp-using casuals.

>>408573

I'm not insulting it, I just got done calling it fun. Can you read?

is this >>>/v/ ? Shit, people arguing about which console is better, just play the games. Who gives a fuck which is console is better? Well, who gives a fuck apart from you?. I know, i will get insulted because of this, but hey, i enjoy games on both consoles, so i win.

>>408534
Because it's not the faggots slinging sonygger and nintenyearold shitting the thread up.

/v/ pls go

>>408569
2-3 were the only good of those. That's 2 of 6 Mega Man games

The great thing about the PS1 was that it had so many games that everyone had different stuff. People with N64s all had the same three games (Mario, Zelda, and some Rareware game)

Yeah, James Bond: World is Not Enough. The PS1 version sucked, meanwhile the N64 version was mediocre.

OP should have included the Saturn in his pic

>>408595
Why would anyone own a Nintendo console without also owning their exclusives?

>>408587
And you saying "Quake da best check out these videos of things your average player will never be able to do" really adds to the discussion

>>407405

haha typical blur shit of course

i can't believe there's people claiming that's the superior version

just look at the blood stains on the shirt, some improvement that is

Sega Saturn master race reporting in.

Fuck your shitty PSX. There was nothing it could do that even deserved to sit in the shadow of the Saturn.

The N64 has a pretty damn good library of games and it was a much better system than the PSX.

Saturn was the true king of the 5th generation.

>>408610
The exclusives were all it had. Outside that...

wowitsfuckingnothing

>>408613
>OMIGAWD he responded to me without sucking my dick, he's obviously the same person I was talking to before!

>>408610

You're missing the point. Everyone who had a N64 had those games because there just weren't that many truly amazing exclusives for the console.

"Why would anyone own a PS1 without also owning their exclusives?" doesn't work, because no kid had the time and money to own every single PS1 exclusive worth playing. Not so with the N64.

We don't hate Nintendo, just their fanboys

>>408637
Sorry samefag, it's pretty obvious when you're the only person talking about Quake
Better luck next time

>>408635

What's the problem with that? It had a good amount of exclusives that were great games. it's also what carried the N64. Same can be said of the PS1, it's not a bad thing.

>>408621

Saturn was a failure.

But at least it wasn't as much of a failure as the PC-FX

Honestly, 90% of N64 lovers are nostalgiafags. Kind of like the Sinclair Spectrum. The C64 slapped it silly, yet twats who had Speccys as kids still think it was the be-all-and-end-all of gaming.

>>408652
>Oh no, he doesn't share my opinion exactly! SAMEFAG SAMEFAG.

Maybe I should use my gauntlet trip for the whole board, just so I can see people whine about tripfags instead.

>>408667
>Saturn was a failure
In Japan it did bretty gud

>>408675
Anyone can "master" any game given enough time
What's your point exactly?

>>408613
And the average DoDonPachi player will never defeat Hibachi. That's depth, that's what makes the game good. If you've mastered a game you have no reason to continue playing it.

>>408668

>using nostalgia as an argument
>implying the N64 didn't have some god-tier exclusives

Don't be stupid. The PS1 definitely had a higher ratio of high quality games, but the N64 had some amazing games too, more than enough to justify a purchase.

>>408670
Maybe you should, so I can filter you
Makes things much easier
Better luck next time, samefag

>>408668
I had a ZX Spectrum +3 as a kid. I loved it back then. As an adult I spent over a week playing all the games I remembered and all the "classics" I'd missed. Every single one of them was utter shit.

>>408678

haha sure told him

>>408676
>using nostalgia as an argument

It's true though. Them and guys who thought the Atari 2600 was great because nostalgia goggles.

>>408681
No, they cannot. In the case of good games (Quake, DoDonPachi, chess, etc.), you will die long before you master it.

San Francisco Rush.

The Playstation version is a joke. It's a completely different game.

>>408691
Really. It was just a Z80 attached to a frame buffer with no interrupts and bleeper sound. Couldn't even touch the glory of the SID chip.

>>408642

Same can be said on both sides and really is all that should be said.

The systems each had their strengths, and depending on which you had at the time, you could point out the other's weaknesses. Each system deserves respect for its accomplishments, but we will always be biased towards the system we had first.

>>408695
Yes, you can. Most people simply do not have the patience to stick to a particular game for years on end, learning every in and out until the controls are pure muscle memory, every map or maze has been put to memory, etc.

>>408698
+3 model had a AY-3-8912, but that's worse than the SID and hardly any games made good use of it anyway.

>>408685

That's the thing though, the N64 IS great. Is it as great as the PS1? Debatable. Did it have as many high quality exclusives? Of course not. It's definitely not nostalgia though, otherwise people wouldn't play these games today and end up loving them.

>>408703
>but we will always be biased towards the system we had first

dat why I maintain the PC Master Race is superior to console peasants?

>>408698
Sounds very much like the Apple II which also had no sprites, interrupts, or music hardware.

>>408698
Nostalgia is an amazingly delusive thing. I saw the C64 vs Spectrum flamewars that ravaged Usenet in the 90s. They weren't pretty.

>>408219
>2013
>being this autistic
Pick one.

>>408641
...They had those games because those WERE the truly amazing exclusives, bro.

Nintendo has some of the best IPs in the business and people will buy systems to play them, even if there's not much else going for system.

My one knock against Sony is that many of their IPs that had a chance of going somewhere died a long time ago. Looking at you, Tomba. ;_;

>>408691
I bet as well that any of those games were better on the C64 (assuming they had a version there)

>>408678
Are you this delusional in real life? Someone calls you out for something completely different than what you were whining about with someone else and you think they're the same person you were talking to?

I called you out for telling that guy he was shitting the thread, when the idiots slinging /v/ shit are doing worse than him.


There's no point to this post, you're just going to spew your samefag shit, your dim mind not even comprehending the fact that there's more than two people on the internet.

>>408703
If you're a childish fanboy, sure.

Literally the only Genesis game I ever played as a child was Sonic 1. I was convinced the SNES was best. As I gained more experience as an adult I realized the only genre the SNES was good at was the most casual of all genres, the JRPG. SNES has nothing that can touch games like Contra: Hard Corps or Gunstar Heroes. I realized I was objectively wrong and changed my beliefs to match reality.

>>407791
>Pros for N64
>Better Graphics

C'mon, this is a civil board. Don't be trolling like that. You can't really believe that.

>>408698
Of course. After all, we Amerifats designed the Commie. When Britpoors made a computer, the best they could do was cheap rubber keyboard shit.

>>407945
>he doesn't know about Final Doom

>all this /v/ behavoir
Get the fuck out, seriously, we don't need two /v/s.

Resident Evil 2 and Mega Man 64 were the only two worthwhile ports I can remember. Others have mentioned Doom 64 and, in my honest opinion, Quake 64 was done better than the PS1 version.

>>408729
Sorry, samefag, you're not fooling anyone
Better luck next time!

>>408763
For once I agree with a tripfag. Except Mega Man 64 was terrible, replace that with Glover.

>>408739
Not him but the N64 had smoother models, while the PS1 had better textures.

>>408732

Well in that case you're just a heartless fuck who regretted their childhood because it wasn't aligned with your hardcore gamer beliefs

>>408732
>JRPGs
>Casual
Someone hasn't played 7th Saga, Cyber Knight, or Shin Megami Tensei

>>408767
Point proven.

>>408780
I don't regret it at all. I genuinely enjoyed playing JRPGs. That doesn't make them good, and it doesn't mean I can still enjoy them now I understand how they work.

>>408773
I didn't even know there was a Glover on PS1, but after reading the worthwhile replies in this thread, I am thankful for my ignorance. I owned both 64 and Legends(1) and honestly loved them both, I think the N64 version won my heart because of the reduced loading times.

>>408792
Samefag proven!

>>408667

And your mom goes to college.

The reason the Saturn didn't do as well retail-wise is just because Sega made the mistake of releasing it too early. Plus, it was difficult for developers to program for.

However, this didn't stop it from having a godly library of games on fantastic hardware. The Saturn destroys the PSX and also buries the N64.

>>408667
Its NA library was pretty mediocre apart from a few gems, but the import library... Hoo boy, take my whole bank account please.

>>408832
Saturn was doing so well it was getting games long into the Dreamcast's life.

N64 had a library maybe a 1/4 of the size of PS1 (296) with limited developers and genres and roughly the same quantity of shit games to classics.

any game you hadn't heard of for 64 was utter shit and several that you had were also shit.

you'd never find something like Trap Gunner for N64. a game that you could pick up knowing nothing about and have it be something you want to play years later.

i don't really care for N64 genres. the system has no appeal to me.

>>408534

There's a lot of Quake guys on this board. It's objectively a masterpiece series

>>408705

Took me about a year of playing Quake Live to achieve what most people would consider Grand Master status. You don't have to play these games for 14 years to be good at them, but the fact they do require you to improve your skills and aren't able to be dominated in a week of playing means they have depth and give you something to work towards. Of course YOU may personally be bad at video games, but for someone good at video games looking for a game to unlock their potential, it's the best game/genre to get into

>>408864
I disagree on the basis that I am loving the shit out of Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon. I had actually never heard of the Ganbare Goemon series until around a year or two ago and just decided to pick it up. It's good stuff.

>>408773

Smoother models? What does that even mean? If you mean it had a handful polygons more, sure maybe but it's not like that's what makes a difference graphically. If you compare two screenshots, it'll always be the N64 that looks like ass.

>>408621
I actually agree that Saturn was better than both PSX and N64 in many ways. Shame it didn't get anything but arcade ports, which were good but alone not enough to make it succeed.

Your blind N64 love is disturbing though.

>>408934
fair enough, but Ganbare Goemon is a well known series, just not to you.

there's really nothing that came out of nowhere, even from a well known developer.

WinBack is the only one i can think of and compared to the games it was supposed to be in genre with......meh

IIRC Wrestling games were better on N64 and arcade style sports games (Blitz).

>>408886
Everyone has a different learning curve. A game you may struggle for years to never truly adapt to someone else may master in six months.
You were good at Quake, good for you. I'm sure there are genres you're absolutely terrible at. You have no point other than to gloat that you wasted a year of your life to achieve an elite status in a game very few care about.
You're an elite Quake player! Way to go! Tell it to the 0.000001% of the population who plays the game.

>>408986
Dude, you're trying so hard to shit on the guy that you end up shitting on yourself, if you belong on this board that is.

If you just hate and look down on vidya, you should go back to /v/.

That anon should be proud and happy he got to spend time with and mastered a game he loves. That's what gaming is all about and not something to look down upon, you sad miserable sack of shit.

>>409013
I'm not looking down on it. You only seemed to focus on the last half of my post. I couldn't care less about Quake. I'm glad he took the time to master a game, but in the end, no one really cares. Same goes for anyone who devotes a year of their life to a particular game.

>>408992
To be fair, I'm an American. Only a select few of the games were ever actually released here, so it's fallen into relative obscurity. I never played the games because, frankly, nobody here did.

>>408986
>0.000001
more than 7000 people playing a 20 year old game competitively? someone did something right.

>>408980
Higher Resolution...it pisses me off to the max dont acknowledge that. brings me back to trying to get my friends to use S-Video cables or my VGA box for dreamcast.

Saturn had very idiosyncratic games. for many games there weren't any others even remotely like it or they took it to whole new but unappreciated levels.

look at what Guardian Heroes did to Beat'em ups. in the long run, nothing but anyone wh's played it will tell you it's beyond River City Ransom in terms of depth.

>>409068
i just looked there were only 296 games released in the US.

was there a Spawn game for 64 the PS1 version was such utter unplayable shit it would have to be better

>>409094
>7000
I think you mean 700

>>409115
learn to math.

this board is full of trolls, who will spout any opinion just to piss people off. im pretty sure anyone claiming to be a n64 fanboy is one of these.

>>409145
[Citation Needed]

>>407546

>>409031
So, what should we gamers care if anyone else cares?

I could use the same logic you applied to shit on his experience to do the same to your best times you spent with your favourite games. That's how you ended up shitting on yourself. Can't you see how that works?

>>408986

>You have no point other than to gloat that you wasted a year of your life to achieve an elite status in a game very few care about.

No, my point is that a game that allows you to play for great lengths of time without losing interest in the slightest because you're constantly improving and thereby unlocking new nuances of gameplay is a mark of a great game

You know WHY people have been playing Quake 3 daily since 1999? Because it's a good game. I don't know why you're so adamantly against it, it's like you're saying good games shouldn't exist because you don't feel like playing them

>>409094
Guardian Heroes is a great game but the comparison to River City Ransom is a bit unfair, considering the latter was working within the confines of a much less powerful system. I would say that one is the logical progression of the other.

>>409170
Enjoying my time with friends is not the same as wasting a year of life simply to be the "best" at a particular game

Nice logic though, nerd

>>407321
Space Station Silicon Valley was much much better on the N64.

>>409181
Because they started playing when it was released and they knew they would never be good at any other game.
Most people lose interest becuase they game gets dull
Only try hard losers continue playing in hopes of becoming the "best"

The N64 port of Rainbow 6 was surprisingly good. The PS1 version was a pile of shit. I remember one EGM reviewer gave it a 1 or a 1.5! Simply awful.

>>409216

You don't think anyone has fun while they play the game, it's just 24/7 grueling training?

The game mechanics are so damn satisfying, from the weapons to just moving around the map. The better you are at them, the more fun you have. The more you play, the better you get

I found the Rampage games more fun on the N64 because you could have 3 players.

I also liked the controls for Mega Man 64 more than Legends but I seem to be in the minority on that.